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Scientists To Open Mass-Cloning Factory in China This Year To Clone Cows, Pets, Humans (express.co.uk)

An anonymous reader writes: Scientists in China are planning to open a mass-cloning factory by the end of the year. The ambitious and futuristic facility hopes to be mass-producing one million cows every 12 months by 2020. Not only will it clone cattle, but the factory, which will be located in the northern Chinese port of Tianjin, will also cater to more specific needs by genetically engineering police dogs and thoroughbred race horses. It is part of a $21m plan which is backed by the Boyalife group in collaboration with South Korean company Sooam Biotech Research Foundation.

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  1. Re:Is it just me...? by Flavianoep · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's just you. The world is not completely natural any more and we have been practicing artificial selection for ages.

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  2. Don't muddy the waters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Selective breeding is analogous to using mother nature's tools, within mother nature's workshop, to guide the otherwise natural course of evolution. That's precisely why human beings have been able to do it for ages: because it relies on nothing more than mother nature.

    Genetic engineering is something entirely different. Clearly, genetic engineering does NOT use mother nature's tools, but rather a toolkit which isn't found anywhere in nature. And clearly, genetic engineering does NOT work within the rules of mother nature's workshop, but rather outside of them completely. This is precisely why human beings have not been able to do this until very recently in the course of our technical evolution: because it requires much more than mother nature's toolkit and workshop.

    The two procedures aren't even remotely comparable, even if they do attempt to achieve a similar goal. Note that I haven't actually spoken out against genetic engineering here. I've only laid out a common-sense argument why genetic engineering isn't comparable to selective breeding.

    1. Re:Don't muddy the waters by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Selective breeding is analogous to using mother nature's tools

      The tools of genetic engineering, such as CRISPR/CAS, come from bacteria, which are also part of "Mother Nature".

      Genetic engineering is something entirely different.

      No it isn't. It is just another point on a continuum.

    2. Re: Don't muddy the waters by cfalcon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I mean, yes, but that's a definition of "natural order" that really just means "whatever the limits of physics are".

      Thus far, our actions work on a pretty damned small scale. A maniac in a story who wants to "destroy the universe" usually does so with some power that has no real world equivalent- magic, a dark god, etc. More realistic stories that still feature cartoon villains who want to "destroy the Earth" usually do so with something that could, in theory, be a risk- nuclear technology being heavily abused, a self replicating agent (gray goo, virus, bacteria, fungus), or something that could realistically exist.

      This is because our experiences show that stuff that happens on the human scale mostly stays on the human scale, and we are worried it can hit the planetary scale accidentally. We can wipe out all the bugs and mice in our house (and we want to!), but probably not the world (and we don't want to!). But we have NO reasons to believe that this observation, which has been true until this point, is actually real in the general case. The truth is, we don't know how easy it would be to "destroy the universe", and we don't understand a hell of a lot of low level physics that could point in that direction. Our best reasoning for it not being easy is that it hasn't happened yet, but this would be a much more potent observation if we could observe hundreds of hyper-advanced civilizations, all standing tribute to it being difficult to accidentally (or on purpose) blow up everything.

      Anyway, just because we are at no risk of that RIGHT NOW doesn't mean that we should continue making that assumption going forward. Existential risk from our own actions will not always be benign.

    3. Re:Don't muddy the waters by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Genetic engineering is something entirely different.

      No, it's not. You can, given time, obtain the same results with GE that you can with selective selection. In the end it's about nucleotide sequences and getting them to line up how you want them to. Selective selection just takes a more time and resources.

      Genetic engineering is something entirely different. Clearly, genetic engineering does NOT use mother nature's tools, but rather a toolkit which isn't found anywhere in nature.

      And this, Mr anonymous, is a complete load of uneducated horse shit. "Natural" gene splicing has been around practically forever in the form of viruses. In fact, the human genome has some 100,000 DNA sequences inserted into it from exactly that. Some of them are big enough to be complete gene sequences, such as that of the human placenta.

  3. Re:Korral bit it from Lucille and The Comedian by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which seems rather scary in the long run. I recall once reading something where the author speculated that one of the largest reasons for the disproportionate amount of violence in the Middle East was due to the cultural and religious customs allowing men to have multiple wives. Since almost every country has a roughly even infant sex ratio this means that there were a large number of young men who had no prospect of finding a mate which contributed to the willingness to commit violence or engage in suicide bombings.

    China might not experience the same problems or those problems in exactly the same way due to other aspects of their culture, but having a large part of the population being potentially unable to satisfy some of their most basic human desires seems like a recipe for problems down the road.

  4. Re:Just one question: why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Think about fruit trees. Just about any fruit you buy at a grocery store will have come from clonally propagated (grafted) tree. Every Fuji apple comes from a clone of the original Fuji tree and so on.

    Suppose that a specific cow has beautifully marbled meat or really high milk production. You could breed that cow, and hope that its offspring has the same trait, or you can clone that cow and virtually guarantee it.

    Twin studies don't disprove the importance of genetics when it comes to outcomes, they prove it. Plus, a factory farm raised animal is not going to have nearly the environmental variation as a human or a pet.