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PayPal Pulls North Carolina Plan After Transgender Bathroom Law (reuters.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: PayPal Holdings Inc on Tuesday canceled plans to open a global operations center in Charlotte, North Carolina and invest $3.6 million in the area after the state passed a controversial law targeting lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) citizens. In a letter on March 29, founders and chief executives of more than a hundred companies, including Apple Inc, Twitter Inc, and Alphabet Inc urged North Carolina Governor Pat McCrory to repeal the legislation.
PayPal is one of the first companies to protest the controversial measure requiring people to use bathrooms or locker rooms in schools and other public facilities that match the gender on their birth certificate rather than their gender identity. "The new law perpetuates discrimination and it violates the values and principles that are at the core of PayPal's mission and culture," Chief Executive Officer Dan Schulman said in a statement. PayPal's original plan was to open the operations center in Charlotte and employ 400 skilled workers there.
Are they going question every one of their customers and make sure their values aligned with PayPal's and seize their funds if not?
See one problem is the law says gender AT BIRTH. Which means it doesn't matter if you've had the surgery. Alternately, have you seen the photos that some trans men have posted--bodybuilders, with no way you could guess from appearance that they were born any different? Yeah, by this law, they have to use the ladies' room.
If people obey this law, it's going to massively RAISE the number of people who don't look like they belong in the restroom they're in.
Whose freedom is more important? The transgendered man who wants to use a woman's restroom or the women who don't want to share their restroom with a transgendered man? Who should prevail? You can't make one happy without making the others unhappy. This is the nature of politics. You have to decide and say "you get your way, and you, just deal with it."
The governor of NC chose to side with 51% of his state over probably 0.001% of his state. Sure, there are women who would agree with sharing the restroom. The governor can't know how many. All he probably knows is that he's likely never met a woman in his state except a few activists that like the idea. Therefore he is doing precisely what we ordinarily value which is letting the majority rule.
Unisex bathrooms.
And make them with closed stalls. So nobody will know which way the feet are pointing when they take a leak.
Have gnu, will travel.
Dunno... let's ask them. 'cause women had little part in producing this cheap-ass, smoke-screen, dog-whistle law (women make up only 22% of the NC legislature, sponsors Dan Bishop and Paul Stam are men, and, of course, the governor is a dick). In fact, this law pre-empts a local Charlotte law that was passed by that city's elected officials... so it looks like all that GOP noise about respectin' the people's will is a load of shite when a state politician sees a tax-free chance to get himself some TV time and name-recognition.
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Peeping toms have been around forever. This is no different than attacking gay men by somehow linking them to pedophiles.
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And you don't think a judge can't tell the difference between a genuine transexual and a pervert?
Other posters are right. This is just cover for holding Jeebus up high and striking out at people that don't conform to your views. This is exactly how the "Family Values" types try to claim that all gay men are pedophiles. Now suddenly all transexuals are actually peeping toms who want to wear dresses.
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You do realize that most of the South is going to pass these laws, right? And having locations in the South is much cheaper. So you're going to find that most corporations will just move from one state to another. Sorry, but that's corporations for you. Fine taking a stand until they have to lose money and explain it to the stockholders.
The law specifies DNA, but DNA doesn't specify sex. That part where the Bible says male and female he created them... turns out, wrong again Bible.
http://www.ted.com/talks/alice...
DNA absolutely specifies sex for the vast majority (around 99.9% last I looked) of the people out there. XY is male, XX is female. There are a few disorders (note: they are *disorders*) that may cause XX to be male or XY to be female (see that one WNBA player as an example), and there are also issues such as chimerism that can cause sexual ambiguity.
That has little or nothing to do with someone like Bruce Jenner wanting to use the women's room.
Do you have ESP?
Do you ever notice that people who are experiencing panic over transsexuals or gay people love to talk about having stuff forced down their throats?
Seriously, I don't know what people like you do when you go to the bathroom, but transsexuals, gay people and even blacks pretty much just go to do their business, wash their hands, and then leave. They do not want to look at your shriveled dick.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Federal law is severely lacking in GLBT protections though. Sure, we have marriage equality. That's great for people who've found the person they want to marry, and are willing to take the financial penalty every April that goes along with marriage. That SCOTUS ruling didn't amend the Civil Rights Act or Title 9 protections to include LGBT people though. And even ENDA... itself a very watered-down, insufficiently inclusive, and overall inadequate facsimile of those protections... has been stalled in congress for as long as I can recall.
Imagine all the people...
You do realize that most of the South is going to pass these laws, right? And having locations in the South is much cheaper. So you're going to find that most corporations will just move from one state to another. Sorry, but that's corporations for you. Fine taking a stand until they have to lose money and explain it to the stockholders.
No they're not--or at least if they do, the laws won't last long. The laws are blatantly unconstitutional and there's a 90%+ chance they won't survive a challenge at the appellate level in a federal court anywhere in the country.
Your description isn't quite correct. What the law does is state the basis for protections of rights in employment and accommodations and make the law consistent across the state.
PART III. PROTECTION OF RIGHTS IN EMPLOYMENT AND PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS
SECTION 3.1. G.S. 143-422.2 reads as rewritten:
" 143-422.2. Legislative declaration.
(a) It is the public policy of this State to protect and safeguard the right and opportunity of all persons to seek, obtain and hold employment without discrimination or abridgement on account of race, religion, color, national origin, age, biological sex or handicap by employers which regularly employ 15 or more employees.
(b) It is recognized that the practice of denying employment opportunity and discriminating in the terms of employment foments domestic strife and unrest, deprives the State of the fullest utilization of its capacities for advancement and development, and substantially and adversely affects the interests of employees, employers, and the public in general.
(c) The General Assembly declares that the regulation of discriminatory practices in employment is properly an issue of general, statewide concern, such that this Article and other applicable provisions of the General Statutes supersede and preempt any ordinance, regulation, resolution, or policy adopted or imposed by a unit of local government or other political subdivision of the State that regulates or imposes any requirement upon an employer pertaining to the regulation of discriminatory practices in employment, except such regulations applicable to personnel employed by that body that are not otherwise in conflict with State law."
There is one other effect. Remember a week or two ago on Slashdot when the hot discussion was the FBI and Apple? The widely endorsed view was that the FBI and the court involved couldn't force Apple to modify its code to bypass the boobytrap it contained because of a Supreme Court precedent that said that code=speech and the general principle that government can't force people to engage in speech against their will. Most of the Slashdot audience was all about free speech then.
With this law it is unlikely that bakers in North Carolina will be forced to engage in speech and creative expression against their will as they have been in some other states by homosexual activists wielding local laws as a club with threats of high fines and other adverse consequences. The funny thing is I seem to recall that lots of people on Slashdot were against free speech in that case and were all in favor of using the law to bash people until they complied against their will in preparing creative materials and speech for use in gay weddings.
I guess freedom depends on how close you are to the 1%. Software engineers among the top 5-3% in income get free speech in the thinking of the Slashdot audience, but blue collar bakers don't. Free speech for me, but not for thee? I don't think that works out well in the long run.
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Federal law has priority over state law and federal law does protect.....
OK, then, now that we have that cleared up.... Would you please explain what a "Sanctuary City" is, And "Legalized Pot" in number of states (That contradicts Federal Law) is?
If LGBT is a choice or a lifestyle and thus not deserving of any protected status, then nor is religion
Religion is spelled out as protected in the constitution; this is similar to the rights to your beliefs.
IF you want to say LGBT should be protected as Religion is, then I have no problem with that; It sounds perfectly sensible that THAT, as well as ANY peaceful 1st amendment exercise should have similar protections.
However, Religious beliefs do not exclude you from the law and rules of private institutions in regards to your comings and goings, And businesses don't have to make special accomodations for your religion.
For example: If the company provides free lunches which contain pork; Just because your religion says you cannot eat pork, does not mean you can force them to provide you a special pork-free serving.
Your religion doesn't force businesses to allow your required religious attire, and does not force businesses to let you use a special per-religion bathroom, Unless they choose to do so.
Businesses cannot deny you employment based on your religion; However, your religion cannot just start coming up with willy-nilly demands for them to meet.
Trans women can't feel comfortable pissing in a men's room because of the high risk of being targeted and attacked there. Don't get it twisted, the only risk to anyone's safety from trans women pissing in any particular location is if you force them to piss with men. Then they will be at risk of being attacked for making some redneck fuck feel uncomfortable in his pants.
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I'm a North Carolina resident.
I don't really care one way or the other about the law personally, though on a loose note I'm against it because its fucking stupid, but I'm happy it kept PayPal out of NC, and hopefully it'll keep Amazon and Facebook away too.
You see, heres the thing, I know that these high tech companies suck ass and do everything they can to be absolutely as little use to the locality they are in and keep all the money for themselves and use the absolute smallest staff they can possibly employ using automation (I write said automation for billing systems) so the benefit to the state from a practical prospective doesn't exist.
It is, in fact a negative when you actual look at the big picture instead of some random battle cry that you've decided is important.
PayPal is a shitty company and a couple hundred employees in one town is effectively NOTHING WORTH EVEN FUCKING TALKING ABOUT TO THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA SO FUCK PAYPAL :)
So no, no one is going to give a flying fuck that paypal isn't here except the few politicians who's hands they aren't going to grease now.
You started your argument with the assumption we wanted PayPal in the first place. Your assumptions make you look retarded and wrong.
We're not going to miss the companies who 'aren't going to come to North Carolina' because of this. Those companies bring nothing of value. Data centers are WORTHLESS to a local economy. A couple hundred employees at a call center are MEANINGLESS in a state like this were we can't fucking build homes fast enough to keep people from living in hotels.
So when you're going to use these sorts of arguments ... you should make sure the people you using them against don't think of your reasoning as a plus rather than a minus. SOME OF US can actually think for ourselves and no better than to think PayPal coming is Gods gift to the state, you might want to get a clue yourself and find the ladder off your high horse, the fall isn't going to help your lack of common sense.
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