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Mapping The Brain To Build Better Machines (quantamagazine.org)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Quanta Magazine: An ambitious new program, funded by the federal government's intelligence arm, aims to bring artificial intelligence more in line with our own mental powers. Three teams composed of neuroscientists and computer scientists will attempt to figure out how the brain performs these feats of visual identification, then make machines that do the same. "Today's machine learning fails where humans excel," said Jacob Vogelstein, who heads the program at the Intelligence Advanced Research Projects Activity (IARPA). "We want to revolutionize machine learning by reverse engineering the algorithms and computations of the brain." By the end of the five-year IARPA project, dubbed Machine Intelligence from Cortical Networks (Microns), researchers aim to map a cubic millimeter of cortex. That tiny portion houses about 100,000 neurons, 3 to 15 million neuronal connections, or synapses, and enough neural wiring to span the width of Manhattan, were it all untangled and laid end-to-end.

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  1. If you want to avoid religious issues by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    Stay away from the right parietal lobe...

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  2. Pure delusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This cargo-cult approach to AI is ridiculous. Decades of effort have produced absolutely no result. Oh, but this time we're way smarter and better informed, surely we'll produce something of value this time. Gimme the grant monies, plz.

    Oh, but this one is worse. It's not that gigantic failure. The laughable failure they're repeating this time is far, far, older: "We want to revolutionize machine learning by reverse engineering the algorithms and computations of the brain."

    Computationalism?! Seriously? Not only is that laughable, it's been laughable for ages! Don't think so? People have been born and died of old age waiting for that bit of fiction to produce any results. So far? Nothing. On top of it all, there's more than one good reason to suspect it's never going to produce any results.

    Let's base one retarded idea on another retarded idea and mix in a bunch of childish thinking about the function of the brain based on zero evidence. AI breakthrough!

    1. Re:Pure delusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This cargo-cult approach to AI is ridiculous. Decades of effort have produced absolutely no result. Oh, but this time we're way smarter and better informed, surely we'll produce something of value this time. Gimme the grant monies, plz.

      Oh, but this one is worse. It's not that gigantic failure. The laughable failure they're repeating this time is far, far, older: "We want to revolutionize machine learning by reverse engineering the algorithms and computations of the brain."

      Computationalism?! Seriously? Not only is that laughable, it's been laughable for ages! Don't think so? People have been born and died of old age waiting for that bit of fiction to produce any results. So far? Nothing. On top of it all, there's more than one good reason to suspect it's never going to produce any results.

      Let's base one retarded idea on another retarded idea and mix in a bunch of childish thinking about the function of the brain based on zero evidence. AI breakthrough!

      What is your approach to building a strong AI then? We are waiting for your reply.

      In other news, the amount of progress into AI research depends on what fronts you judge the progress and there have been numerous steps forward but none of them have resulted in C3P0 style robots because that is not the goal.

      There are functionalists who largely congregate at MIT and Harvard who do not believe that studying the human brain will yield any immediate results that can be implemented in silicon

      There are the Cal tech researchers who are largely behavioralists who believe studying psychology and to a limited degree physiology will point the general direction in terms of large milestones that have to be achieved to build a strong AI, using nature as a guide.

      Then there are the Connectionists and this includes Francois Crick, who believe that the neural connections as a functional network will yield a base cortical algorithm which can be applied to a number of things that also include the beginnings of building a Strong AI.

      There are a lot of things that have been gained by these approaches to the problem so to say as you did that nothing has been accomplished is about as wrong as wrong can get. We know for instance, that the processing "program" of the human brain uses the same functional unit that is repeated over and over and is adapted and adaptable to vision processing, audio processing, kinesthetic processing and very likely (almost certainly) everything else in terms of recognizing adapting to and predicting (prediction is a strong indicator of intelligence among other behavioral emergent patterns) patterns and sequences of patterns between inputs and outputs. If you surgically connect auditory nerves to visual cortex the visual cortex adapts to process inputs from the eardrums, if you connect optic nerves to audio cortex, audio cortex processes visual information.. with no further manipulation.. that is quite a big value for "nothing being accomplished" as you put it.. Heres the kicker of how wrong you are:

      A camera device has been developed that non-invasively communicates digital information as points of pressure onto the tongue of the wearer, thereby allowing a completely blind person to navigate and "see" through the camera via the sensation on the tongue. But no, we have not accomplished anything involving the understanding of how the brain processes information and yes we just should abandon this line of research because it will not accomplish anything at all.

      You are right man, Deep Blue did not beat Kasparov and no IBM's Watson did not win against champion humans on Jeopardy.. so we might as well not even try.

      Sheesh! Don't even bother to answer unless you have actual points to make with cited references.. go back to putzing around in Minecraft ok?

    2. Re:Pure delusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cynicism isn't productive

      Neither is computationalism. It's like saying they're going to crack strong AI through phrenology.

      or warranted.

      Oh, I'd say it's warranted. What other reaction could a reasonable person have to this? Imagine if someone announced that they're going to make significant advances in perpetual motion thanks to phlogiston theory. That's exactly what this sounds like to anyone who isn't a Kurzweil cultist.

      Here's a neat idea. Let's let go of old, long disproved, ideas and try something new. The alternative, after all, is to keep carefully adjusting the weights on your unbalanced wheel hoping that some day it'll spin in perpetuity.

    3. Re:Pure delusion by mugurel · · Score: 2

      Here's an interview with Yann Lecun. He's also sceptical about such undertakings, but he argues more convincingly: http://spectrum.ieee.org/autom...

  3. "span the width of Manhattan"? by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 2

    I did a double-take at that -- it just didn't sound plausible. But, sure enough, Manhattan is just a couple of kilometers wide, and a kilometer is a million millimeters. If there are millions of axons passing through that cubic millimeter of cortex, that's about how far the segments would stretch in total.

  4. Re:An interesting corollary to ponder... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Informative

    You don't know what Moore's Law means. You need to stop using it in your writing.

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  5. Why not use bleach and a light microscope? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's a better way to do it, and it could potentially image the whole brain, all at once. It can image whole brains of mice and other smaller mammals at the neuronal level, and we can tag each type of brain cell automatically.

    Once you've got the raw data a simple AI program could map the structure logically by recognizing the tracers and plotting the connections...

    Of course, this cheap and simple method may not put money in the right pockets. See what I'm thinking?

  6. Re:Better yet - stay away from both lobes by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

    but trying to make computers act more like brains is just not a sound scientific concept.

    You may not think it's useful, but there's nothing unscientific or unsound about it. It's a matter of understanding how the brain works, and throwing enough hardware at it to duplicate the essential operations.

  7. Re:Better yet - stay away from both lobes by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

    You will need to make it out of nerve cells and glia then, because silicon won't cut it.

    Just like air planes need to be made from bone, muscle and feathers, because otherwise they won't fly ? Seriously, what's so special about nerve cells that we can't duplicate on a functional level ? And how do you know that to be true ?

  8. Re:Better yet - stay away from both lobes by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

    Because there are far too many things happening at too small a scale to even measure, let alone imitate. The unknowns in neurosicence far outnumber the knowns.

    Take an intel Core i7 in a time machine, and drop it on someone's desk in the 60's. Ask him to imitate it. You'll probably get the same reply.

    You can model certain brain functions with software to see what happens if you alter inputs to a neural circuit, but it will only be as good as weather predictions done in silicon.

    Irrelevant. The reason we can't do good weather predictions is because weather is chaotic by nature.

  9. Re:Better yet - stay away from both lobes by religionofpeas · · Score: 2
    Imagine throwing that i7 on somebody's desk in the 60's, and asking them 30 or 40 years later why it's not been duplicated yet. Nobody's denying that the brain is big and complicated, and duplicating the essential functions will take a lot of resources and certain level of technology that we don't have yet. However, there's no indication that there's anything that's impossible by principle.

    And what makes you think that weather is more chaotic than neural activity?

    Even if neural activity is chaotic, that only means we can't perform the same thing as a brain with 100% accuracy. But that's okay, because it also means that your own brain can never perform the same task again with 100% accuracy, and that is rarely a problem.

    You can't imitate something that you don't understand. Understand?

    That's not true. See genetic algorithms for instance.

  10. Re:Better yet - stay away from both lobes by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

    That is not making an artificial bird, that is making a plane that flies people around. They are not even slightly the same.

    The goal of a plane is to fly. The goal was never to mimic a bird. Similarly, the goal is to make a computer that can do tasks that our brain can do, but we don't have to make it run on ham sandwiches and milk.

  11. Re:Better yet - stay away from both lobes by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    Like I said, good luck. People have been trying for decades, and haven't gotten anywhere near emulating brain activity in silico.

    Except for the ANN that just won a Go tournament. Or the ANNs that can do face recognition, speech recognition, or many other things.

    Of course, they can't do everything that a brain can do, but a baby can't run a marathon either.

    Deep learning based on sigmoidal belief nets is inspired by the architecture of the brain. Autoencoders are very similar in function to the "mirroring" that occurs in the brain. Silico and vivo are not as different as you believe.

  12. Re:Better yet - stay away from both lobes by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

    I completely understand that non-biologists, who don't understand biological complexity, can think that making an artificial brain is quite doable.

    I remember chess grandmasters arguing in the 80's that chess computers would never be able to beat them, unless they found a way to understand how a grandmaster plays, and somehow put that in code. Botvinnik wrote a book in 1984 about how computer programs should formulate long term plans. Now, with modern computer hardware, an expert programmer could write a chess program that would beat those grandmasters, while himself not possessing any more chess knowledge than can be picked up from a beginner's book. It shows that experts in a certain field may not be the best equipped to think outside their box.