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Torvalds Hasn't Given Up On Linux Desktop Domination, Will 'Wear Them Down' (cio.com)
Reader itwbennett writes: Linus Torvalds told attendees at the Embedded Linux Conference that although Linux hasn't dominated the desktop like it 'has in many other areas,' he isn't particularly disappointed and also hasn't given up on that goal. "I actually am very happy with the Linux desktop, and I started the project for my own needs, and my needs are very much fulfilled," Torvalds said. "That's why, to me, it's not a failure. I would obviously love for Linux to take over that world too, but it turns out it's a really hard area to enter. I'm still working on it. It's been 25 years. I can do this for another 25. I'll wear them down."
I used Linux for my desktop for about five or six years. I got tired of the perpetual beta aspect, especially when it came to always being a step behind on new hardware integration. I learned a ton, though. It seems that Linux's best chance to take over the desktop is Android. As tablets gradually morph into laptop equivalents, Linux may very well become a top desktop OS, only nobody will focus on the Linux part.
My 56 year old mother and 82 year old grandmother both use Ubuntu MATE and haven't needed any technical help from me.
My grandfather, who has never used a PC before in his life, is using Sabayon XFCE to create a facebook page to find his friends from years past and to use his first email address ever at 84 years old.
None of them have needed technical assistance from me other than showing them that pressing the 'on' button turns on the device and that you click a certain icon to bring up the browser with facebook.
Your comment is the soft of "hipster bubble" on display. It's not on the approved list circulated by *the* hivemind, therefore our groupthink cannot allow it to be used.
Sometimes what it lacks is functionality.
Not so long ago, on an Ubuntu VM (I think), I was trying to change some system configuration or another.
There simply was no interface to edit whatever it was I was trying to do. You just sort of ran off the end of the earth, and then you were on your own.
Sometimes what Linux (or even FreeBSD) desktops lack is the actual ability to fully control the machine from the GUI, and then you rely on someone being able to drop to the command line and do the real magic -- which is fine if you can do it, and useless if you can't.
What is still needs is to have all of the functionality, instead of most of the functionality. It needs to stop being something you build in a kit or have to endless search the interwebs for trying to solve how to do it.
And, like it or not, it needs better support from software vendors ... I've used the same tax program for over a decade, I rely on that ... don't tell me to use Penguin Tax 0.1 because it's kind almost the same thing and doesn't work in my country and hasn't been updated in 4 years ... don't tell me I can use a web interface, I'm not submitting my fucking tax information on a web interface to a company I don't trust.
The photo editing software which came with my Canon camera ... I want to use that. Not some abandoned piece of crap which kinda sorta does some of what I need. The software to control my TomTom and do updates? Or update the GPS I use for golf? I need all of those things. There is no Linux version.
Computers are tools, not toys. I have some tasks I need to do, and either the platform does them, using the tools I want, or it doesn't. And I don't wish to spend hours trying to re-discover some arcanum I knew in the late 90s about UNIX.
For a good chunk of ordinary desktop stuff, sure, Linux has most of that covered. But as soon as you go off the path, or into something which requires commercial software (which exists and gets used no matter what your ideology tells you) ... then it becomes a largely useless thing.
I still keep VMs around to play with, or because I can shred through some data better with a UNIX command line than with anything else.
But I have yet to be able to rid myself of Windows entirely, which means my Windows machine is more likely to be where I run my Linux VMs
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
No. What it lacks is a team of people who will answer what the Linux community considers moronic questions. When I install an OS and my sound doesn't work out of the box, I don't need to be told to just google it. Especially when google answers 20 different ways for 12 different distributions, none of which work on the distribution that I actually installed. Microsoft and Apple are popular because they pay a bunch of people to sit around and answer questions to newbies and non-technical people, instead of greeting new users by insulting their intelligence or plain flat out insults.
You have a warped definition of programming. Programming has almost nothing to do with coding. The bulk of programming is identifying issues and solving them. Coding is the brain-dead easy part. If someone has already solved the issue, you're not programming, you're playing Bob the Builder with legos.
There are a number of distributions that are pretty user friendly now. I toyed with linux ages ago but went back to windows because most of the software I use is windows specific.
My girlfriend got sick of the WINDOWS 10 UPGRADE NOW! shit on her laptop and asked me to install linux, after explaining there were a billion different distros and some other technical explanations, she picked out Mint.
I was really surprised at how much easier it was compared to last time I messed around with it. There were no missing drivers, everything worked perfectly right after installing, lots of helpful explanations and popup windows for "normal" users. It was apple-tier hand holding in some areas. She loves it.
I am a professional developer, I get paid to develop hardware and software for large companies that you've heard of.
I would never use MS tools when I could use GNU or especially LLVM. I can't even grok anyone who likes MS tools except people who only develop for windows, in which case... it's the only game in town.
By that argument BeOS was a roaring success. How is it doing today?
So far Linux is very successful in server closets, and underneath Android. For servers the extra power of the OS more than makes up for the large sunk investment it takes to be able to use the feature. Android completely tossed out the UI and started over. Same for set top boxes and many other places where Linux hides in plane sight.
Being a half-assed copy of the Windows GUI won't do it. Winning the desktop requires a fully polished UI that never forces normal users to the command line unless they want to go there. It needs to be unified or people will tune you out faster than you can say "compile the driver". Wading through 50 or 100 distros with various chunks and pieces stitched together like Frankenstein's monster to find a one that makes sense is awful. Trying to find out why one distro is better than another leads to unearthing holy wars, and finding out that Linux was destroyed by "systemd" (whatever that is, and no I don't care), and lots of jargon.
Can anybody see "I'll wear them down" as a joke and not a profession of a strategy?
His stated position "Works for me, so I'm happy" is clear enough - maybe another 25 years of open development will create something competitive with the commercial desktop software market, maybe it won't - I don't think that Linus personally cares.
Me, personally, I think that for Linux to conquer the desktop would require an infusion of cash - developers who can grow up, leave their mothers' basements and feed a family while developing the desktop software - perhaps 30 guys dedicated for 5 years earnestly working for the single goal of taking what's best from Unity/KDE/Gnome and synthesizing a competitive desktop for the market place - maybe $15M in total over 5 years for the development and another $5M or so to do the most minimal of promotional work. Now, show me any entity that thinks they want to spend $20M and 5 years to create a great OSS desktop.... what's in it for them? Who wants the PR headache of coordinating this kind of project with the rest of the open source community? Noone that I know of.