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Despite Lean Space Budgets Russia Is Headed For the Moon (blastingnews.com)
MarkWhittington writes: Thanks to the collapse of oil prices that has ravaged the Russian economy, dependent as it is on fossil fuel exports, Russia's space program is facing draconian budget cuts... Still, the country that lost the race to the moon still has ambitious plans for Earth's closest neighbor... The Russians even have hopes of landing cosmonauts on the lunar surface by the end of the 2020s.
New evidence of subsurface ice helped fuel their interest in human moon landings, according to Science magazine, which reports that Russia is first planning five robotic missions to the moon over the next nine years. Three of these will be conducted with the European Space Agency, including one which will drill for underground samples in the new areas of the lunar surface, and the director of Russia's space agency says "the next decade will be quite busy for us."
New evidence of subsurface ice helped fuel their interest in human moon landings, according to Science magazine, which reports that Russia is first planning five robotic missions to the moon over the next nine years. Three of these will be conducted with the European Space Agency, including one which will drill for underground samples in the new areas of the lunar surface, and the director of Russia's space agency says "the next decade will be quite busy for us."
Now what sanctions are we going to impose for this one? Putin must be stopped!
Do You have any idea how boring it is not working doing what I like to do the most? (porno movies lol)
I'm feeling too lazy to look it up, but is there enough room on the moon to fit the whole of Russia?
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They hate science.
The moon is closed for remodeling.
Look the the bright side... The epa brought us toilets that have to be flushed 4 times to work properly...
Kennedy sent us to space. The republicans sent us to ground.
And the republicans supported the space shuttle which was a deadend for space.
The space shuttle, and their support of it, destroyed science.
And kept us there.
It took money from real science.
In America, spacecraft land on moon. In Russia, moon land on spacecraft. *crunch*
Actually, they are backing the Europa mission, which is far more useful than landing on the moon in my opinion. http://arstechnica.com/science...
You have no idea about the situation in Russia. As citizen of one of the neigboar country of Russia, I am sayng that Russia is f#cking impery of evil. They occuppied and enslaved most of the neigboars. They are just like old mongols. What science are you talking, big part of thear citizens does not know reading/writing in their own language. They think that all other world is enemy for them, they hate you, yes they dreaming to destroy USA, and.not only it.
Not just a deadend for space, but a deadend for all science.
No, they used their CIA to try to stop it.
Never have I seen a more accurate description of a republican.
Stopping all science is their goal. They want to go back to the dark ages.
The space shuttle kill our country's hope for space exploration.
For their kind, anything beyond LEO is sacrilegious.
That's just how they be.
Russia has big problems right now and the expense of going to the moon has nothing to do with it. Their military is getting old, their Navy needs an upgrade, and there is a battle between Russia and the West over Ukraine. Considering the Russians just announced a budget cut to their military for the first time in decades, and with no end in sight to low oil prices, this will all just remain a statement of intent but will not likely come to anything concrete.
Russia is also the country American astronauts must beg for rides into space. The American manned space program was a short term unsustainable, while the Russians went there for the long haul. They have better reliability of their manned launchers and most importantly, they can still go and they have never been without the ability to.
Say what you will about the Russian space program they get thigns done and are very practically oriented.
Why not the end of the 2050s? Or 2100? Or 2200?
Why has nobody been back to the moon yet? The computers required for the spacecraft could be bought for $5 tops, instead of the millions of dollars they cost in the 1960s.
What do law enforcement officers have to do with space?
Low Earth orbit you stupid Republican.
Nobody knows how it got there but it should buy a lot of rocket fuel.
Is this another attempt by Putin to make his Orwellian failure seem relevant to the rest of the world?
Is that all you've got ?
There are multiple errors in the post.
Phone + haste + spell check off = errors.
You really are a fucking simpleton, aren't you ?
Russian reliability is based on the launcher that is almost 60 years old (first two stages of Soyuz launcher is the R7 that put the first Sputnik into orbit in 1957). And there is nothing to replace it in the foreseeable future. So when in couple years US will be able to send its astronauts on its own ships, there will be no use for the the Russian ones. Oh well, Russia will still be able to send its cosmonauts in the ancient and claustrophobic Soyuz ships up until its economy collapses, which may take quite some time.
By 2020, the moon might be the closest place we will be able to find ACTUAL ice. Thanks Global Warming! #SarcasmRocks
I wish more of the world's wealth was focused on space exploration! Humanity needs another home for safe keeping.
Who's More Pro-Science, Republicans or Democrats? - Neil deGrasse Tyson
Oh sure and they are also building the Russia Alaska Superhighway, A fleet of Supercarriers. In the Real World Russia shrank the defense budget by %10 in 2015 and still Russian Reserve Fund running empty
BULLSHIT! Donald Trump wants to expand the space program. Trump 2016.
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Russia never saw a bad idea it didn't like. They are probably planning to fake the moon landing because they think they can get away with it.
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
...conspires with the enemy of our civilization so that hundreds of thousands of them can immigrate to the U.S.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/apr/20/reince-priebus/hillary-clinton-took-money-kings-four-countries-go/
https://www.rt.com/usa/338864-680000-green-cards-issued-muslims/
Stop listening to the lefty propaganda and read the Mohammedist's "holy book". You will find that they are commanded to cheat you, to tax you excessively and to eventually kill you - so that Mohammedism will one day rule over all of humanity.
No other thoughts allowed by the Caliph - enforced by fire and sword.
ISIS just realizes what that book commands them to do. Turkey, Saudi and Pakistan support them in all possible ways, covertly.
Clinton surely knows and takes the money and helps them.
How is it going in your Langley Cellar ?
Did they not feed you the normal dogfood ration tonight ?
I suggest you look at one of the Topol-M and S-400 launch videos on youtube.
They have top notch technology in both solid and liquid fueled rockets. Their thrust-vectoring technology probably is still leading edge, second to none. America currently depends on Russian technology from the 70s to launch heavy satellites. And Russia currently develops a new liquid fuel rocket.
to smoke out ISIS. Unlike NATO and they Wahabist BribeMasters.
Also, they develop lots of new stuff:
* ELBRUS CPU
* S-500 Air Domination Missile Complex
* Long Wave Radars to detect Stealth Aircraft reliably at long range
* a new generation of the already most advanced road mobile ICBM and all support systems such as ground decoys
* a new supersilent diesel submarine
* the new armata tank
* the PAK FA stealth fighter
* supersonic cruise missiles
and many more items.
"and even nutritional support is immanent."
It seems more that you Langley folks don't have a proper Paper Budget since 1999. You drones operate on some very outdated rap sheets.
Your asset Jelzin had foot shortages while he himself was supplied with a bottle of Vodka by Toyota, BMW and the like.
Russia is by now a major wheat exporter - look it up. Surely they can feed their soldiers. This is also the reason you cannot have Russia at the balls as you had the Soviets. Modern day Russia is not the concrete-head bunch of commie functionaries any more.
It seems to me that the western lefties have now taken over the role of concrete-head.
You suggest Russia cannot replace components supplied by a bunch of corrupt people who can at best be compared to the equally broken Greek ?
I venture to say that 99% of Ukrainian technology was due to Moscovite financing and management in the first place.
The Moscovites will simply replicate what they did in Ukraine in the 50s-80s somewhere in Nishni Novgorod, Novosibirsk, Voronoezh or Irkutsk. Of course it costs money, but unlike Ukraine, Russians have the same human energy and truthfulness as exists in all other nordic nations.
It seems that Russia is already a Land Of Plenty, when it comes to food production:
http://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/industrie/russlands-landwirtschaft-die-erben-der-kolchosen-seite-2/3460312-2.html
(use translate.yandex.com for translation)
This just demonstrates the nasty effects of NATO propaganda. It is making people dumb as hell. In this special case, NATO propaganda made the poster above think that there is still hunger in Russia.
Some of them call Russia "the biggest threat of the U.S.". This implies that Russia has a serious military, including serious hardware.
What it REALLY means is that Russia cannot be corrupted by the London, NY banksters and their globalist friends. And it means Russia has the weapons and soldiers to defend itself from becoming a victim to said people.
Russia has been recapitalizing her defense for at least 10 years now. And some weapons actually just need a minor "upgrade". For example, the soviet-era Mig31's performance is still top-notch. All it needs is to upgrade the electronics/radar and maybe the missiles. Which it already got. The basic airplane is so good, it will be leading-edge even in 2060.
Aviadvigatel just completed a new engine, which will be the foundation for all midsize and large Russian turbine engines from heavy helos to transport aircraft. With these engines, the Il 76 airlifter will be modernized at low cost.
Similar things can be said about the famously powerful Russian SAMs (see Vietnam), about the SU35 fighter and many more systems. The Russian state has done his homework, indeed.
Not blowing Russia's trumpet here - I'll leave that to guacamole(24270) - but so what? If it works, it works.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
VietnamWar loss related problems.
Economy problems.
Achievement and morale problems.
I know... let us go to the....irs!write-offs for Trust 72! No! Let us goto the Moon! That is easier than that harder goal! And lets give Americans a Kubrick style of photography but give them black and white from a mission control projector. Also we need to give more than half the Moon budget money to other companies that didnt contribute. Ignore that badwar press! Looook! We were first on the Moon! Disneyland is near an airport too!
Runnin low on monies? I have another idea! Lets open up trade with no-civil-rights slave labor nation! Lets send DickNixon over to do it since he is halfArmenian and halfChinese so they will accept him as a distant relative! He looks too nice in traditional commie garb:kick him out later on!
Skip George Bush jr presidency... hey he was an adopted Argentinian, Chinese blood like Nixon! Send him over to China andthey will accept him like a distant relative!
Ahh they cant get a 6ft5 sandman in Assgassistan... i know who they will pick! And i know who will samewise be a best candidate to ask the House of Sahd for money help! Lets elect Al Gore! What he doesnt advocate petro products? Hmmm. Oh how about we elect a closett muslim who can relate better to the question and make a better presentment to the House of Sahd... where is that Indonesian Kenyan friend of moi? Golfing? I thought he only golfs at work! Lets fudge up the sports and entertainments so he will follow the trend of those crazy millenials. We need a Chinese basketball player, a white rap musician, and a black golfer bwaaahhhhahaha. Nah we can pass up on the lgbt jock news until later on to encorage stemm cell research.
(Man-eye-ackle laff-ing)
We've heard these noises from Russia before. I can't help but think at this point the Russians are just shouting whatever they think might sound the most appealing into the microphone. In the near (~5 years) the US is going to stop relying on Russia to get Astronauts to the ISS. Once that happens hundreds of millions of dollars are suddenly going to stop going into Russian coffers.
This combined with a much more robust and inexpensive launch options (Space X, ULA, Blue Origin, Skylon?, etc) is going to further squeeze the already cash strapped Russia Space Agency/Industry.
I'll be happy to see them do it, but at this point it's just talk. Once I get past my budgetary issues, I'm going to be setting up a colony on Ganymede. All I need is to develop a launch vehicle, a survivable transit vehicle and a viable habitat...
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
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Russia's Luna 2 probe got to the moon first in 1959. Luna 3 (also 1959) was the first to photograph the far side of the moon. Luna 9 soft landed on the moon and sent the first pictures from the surface back in 1966. Yes, the Apollo program put a man on the moon first (1968), but I think Russia deserves credit for many previous firsts (beyond Sputnik and Gagarin).
Why was this comment modded down ?
Every word of it is true.
Look the the bright side... The epa brought us toilets that have to be flushed 4 times to work properly...
This is more about Americans needing to re-invent the wheel and frequently making it square in the process. When the US started pushing water-saving toilets, other countries had perfectly viable water-saving toilets of various types (at the most simple, the ones with a light flush and heavy flush button). In the US, most of the water-saving toilets they were selling were just the same old design with a smaller tank.
So what if it's old? It still works!
The Dragon capsule is the most likely next american manned device. I expect that the ULA effort will fizzle or turn into such a blatant porkbarrel that it'll be killed.
Although I have a lot of differences with Russia these days, in terms of their space program... go Russia!
They have a long and distinguished history with their space program. The Russians can bring real expertise to this mission. The main problem they have is that Russia has also been announcing a lot of ambitious plans that few think they can actually achieve. They just don't have the resources in most cases.
The more countries that have space programs the LESS likely anyone will land on the moon or anywhere else.
The 1960's US was a rare place where people cared about contributing at work and not just haranging Congress for more funds.
This is just bragging about a (dubious) future accomplishment.