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Tesla Recalls 2,700 Model X Cars, Highlighting Risk of Massive Model 3 Rollout (bgr.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Tesla has recalled 2,700 Model X cars due to a design flaw affecting the vehicle's third row of seats. Specifically, a faulty locking hinge on the last row of seats could potentially cause the seats to collapse forward during a crash. "Despite [15] prior successful tests and no reports of a third row seat slipping in any customer vehicles," Tesla said in an email to affected owners, "we have decided to conduct a voluntary recall as a precautionary measure and will be replacing all affected third row seat backs." Even though the Model X recall is small, it brings to mind the Model 3 and what possible manufacturing issues will pertain to it. BGR writes, "The current number of Model 3 reservations is absolutely staggering and Tesla will have no choice but to get as many Model 3s manufactured and out on the road as soon as humanly possible. So even in a best-case scenario where the rollout of the Model 3 goes swimmingly, Tesla will need to do all it can to ensure that the Model 3s rolling off the line in late 2018 and early 2019 are flawless." Recalling 2,700 vehicles is one thing, but a recall affecting the Model 3 could be a logistical and publicity nightmare.
You know how many recalls companies like Honda or GM deal with in a year?? A b0rked third-row seat 'aint nuthin.
Cars are recalled all the time. Or worse, they aren't recalled because it's cheaper to pay out for dead and maimed people. Why is this article about fear instead of praising Tesla for catching this before anyone got hurt?
Apparently the author isn't aware of the thousands of recalls other manufacturers make, and is further unaware several owners forgo getting service since the recalls are often for minor issues that don't really affect them.
If anything, Telsa taking the extra steps to prevent a potential problem should relieve Model 3 purchasers that Tesla stands behind their products.
What sort of dangerous idiots fix a potential problem pre-emptively out of an abundance of caution?
Tesla must learn to do the right thing by its customers: cover up defects until the wrongful death lawsuits start rolling in.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
A company acts responsibility without using Fight Club's recall formula? Before dozens of people end up dead, like the Ford Exploder, Firestone edition, or GM who thought lives were too expensive to spend another fifty cents per ignition? Get a life, dooshbag.
Ok, so Slashdot thinks this story is somehow related to the story "10 Confirmed Dead In Shooting at Oregon's Umpqua Community College" Can anyone find any actual relationship to this? Because I sure can't.
In other news, good on Tesla for doing this stuff ahead of time instead of waiting until people die to do a recall.
This summary reads like a bunch of FUD. A complex product like a car, a microprocessor, or any software product is bound to have defects. Even rigorous testing isn't going to uncover all of the defects prior to shipping. I don't think that having defects in the product is nearly as harmful to Tesla as the story suggests. The cars won't be perfect. However, the testing should be rigorous enough to find obvious defects so they're removed prior to shipping. And the most important thing is honesty. GM covered up the need to recall dangerous vehicles, which undoubtedly caused many unnecessary injuries and deaths. The VW emissions scandal is just as egregious. The issue isn't that some defects won't be found during testing; that's to be expected. However, honesty is important, in issuing recalls and fixing the problems as soon as possible. Being honest and recalling products promptly is the next best thing to a product that doesn't have serious defects. I don't thing problems with the cars will be particularly damaging to Tesla provided they're honest and prompt in how they respond.
Its a sad day when Slashdot links articles on BGR...What is this site TMZ? Lame
The Model 3 rollout will go swimmingly. This article makes a mountain out of a molehill. Recalls are negligible operations when compared to vehicles being manufactured on an assembly line. My wife and I each pre-ordered one and can't wait!!
Car recalls go like, you get a letter in the mail or do the research yourself and then make an appointment at the dealership for no charge repair. If they notice anything amiss they may say something, but that's about the worst thing that can happen.
I'm surprised someone would make such a big deal of tesla doing this when every single car company has the same problem. Of course they know its much better for PR to fix the damn cars, especially as of late.
The point is a recall is trivial from a customers perspective, and a company doing the right thing is nothing but good press (which is like crack to a brand).
The author of the article either doesn't know how the car industry works, or i guess, own a car that has had recalls, (which is every car).
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Will that car have an airbag recall or ignition key recall? I think about this every time I see an ad for a GM car. How can we trust them any more? Well they certainly will have to get the next model perfect or else something scary will probably happen to somebody. And you should sell their stock too.
Pay for shit and get shit. Stay with the Asian designs and stay safe on the dangerous roads.
The big difference between Tesla and all of the other car makers, is that Tesla/Musk will not only solve the problem, but go back and fix the broken ones, WITHOUT the feds telling them to.
OTOH, MB, VW, Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, etc work hard to cheat at everything.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Please short Tesla with everything that you have. Stand up and be a man. Oh, wait, you are an AC.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
"Reasonable" quality is entirely fine and you can always get that with solid engineering. This also means that Tesla is _not_ going to push these out as fast as possible, they are going to make sure best practices are followed and a certain amount of over-engineering and over-testing is happening. There is no sane reason for this alarmist nonsense.
I do have to say that the non-understanding of sound engineering practices in /. stories is on the raise and in the process of reaching astonishing heights.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
The pre-orders are not commitments. This will definitely light a fire under the asses of other car manufacturers. I'm tempted to see what other alternative-powered offerings will come about, particularly from BMW and Porsche.
That's why it is sensible to wait a few years. Never buy version 1.0 of anything as expensive and potentially ruinous as a new car. I really don't know why anyone would plunk cash down on a Model 3 when it runs the exact same risks (and Tesla hasn't exactly bothered to say what features or spec the $35k car will have beyond some basics). On the plus side, some people on that list will be waiting 4 or 5 years so perhaps they'll get a better, more mature car than those who take delivery sooner.
Hardly a massive insight.
If Tesla sell more cars, then they'll have to recall more cars in any future recall.
Yup.
Why is this news?
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Did you know that if you sell a huge amount of an expensive product then you might still have a lot of costs if you have to recall the product
There will be problems. Are there more per capita tesla drive unit failures than engine failures on a BMW Mini?
The real question is will Tesla be able to afford the recalls? Will their pockets be deep enough by the time the Model 3 begins to delivered?
Go back to SeekingAlpha, troll.
..is bullshit. 2700 vehicles? At least they care enough to do it. Let's look at some other auto manufacturers in the news recently.......
And no it does NOT "highlight risks for the model 3 rollout". Sounds like whoever wrote this is the EHS idiot at my work. Have to hold hand rails on staircases at all time. Have to put lids on all hot liquids, have to identify and report 6 safety things a month even if there ARE NONE.
*manufactured* risk... ..|..
IF their factory ran at the levels it did when the previous owner had it... They'd cap out at about 6000 cars a week.
Citation?
They are nowhere near this level of production)
Citation?
And IF they could actually meet that level... There's not enough batteries on the planet to fill those 6000 cars a week.
Citation?
(they are nowhere near this level of production at the still unfinished gigafactory)
Citation?
What no supporting evidence? You shills need to get unionised. Better pay rates might help raise the standards above Youtuber comments level.
How about "Tesla leaves nothing to chance with Model X Seat Recall". Seriously, you'd think this post was written by an auto industry insider with all of the negative spin and shade being thrown at Tesla. Recalls happen all the time. This is no different. They're putting safety first.
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The car recall formula
(Sorry I only find this one with the infographics visuals. I didn't manage to find the original movie scene. I guess it's too long for Google/DMCA "fair use" criteria).
- What car company are you working for ?
- Major one
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Just like the other Tesla models they are going to trickle into the market and hopefully the worst recall items will be discovered early on.
love is just extroverted narcissism
So Tesla has about 150K pre-orders for their latest model, ford sells as many as 500K F-150 pickup trucks per year, and recalls by the 'big three' typically involve several years which could involve millions of vehicles. This is the cost of doing business at this level...
To stop doing this, rushing things to market before they are ready (particularly with autonomous vehicles). Rushing a software release is one thing, you get a funny chat bot. But these are heavy machines filled with people. Silicon valley has literally bought the government to secure non-regulation and it is sickening.
So, basically what we’re hearing is that although there are zero reported cases of this hinge failing, Tesla is recalling them and replacing the weak component.
Sounds like they’re being super proactive and cautious. If I had the money to order a Model 3, I’d plunk it down right now.
Mind you, I haven’t been in an accident in 24 years. The next time it happens is more likely to be someone else’s fault than my own. I’m not the best driver in the world, but I’m pretty cautious. I back away from other vehicles whose movements make me nervous, I’m not aggressive about pulling into traffic, I don’t text while driving. Most of these safety features are there for people who are relatively unskilled at driving. I assume that most of those people who suck at driving are useful contributors to society in some other way. (Not to say that someone’s subjective “usefulness” should be factored into whether or not we should protect them from crushing deaths.)
The recall itself is pretty boring. They're doing the right thing by proactively fixing a problem they found.
What I found interesting from the article I read yesterday is that the bad part in question was one of the few that wasn't made by Tesla. Just like the bad strut that caused the SpaceX launch to fail was one of the few parts not made by SpaceX.
Musk's aversion to using third-party parts seems to be well-placed.
Only tested 15 times??
Tesla is in control of their entire chain. Their cars do come at a little bit of a premium. There is very little on the cars that can actually go wrong. For the most part Tesla would prefer if their customers brought their cars in twice a year.
By having a "recall" it limits their liability. The vest majority of owners will choose to ignore it until two or three years down the road. The X is a premium car at the moment that will only sell so many units. Tesla has field techs that will actually drive to you and do the modifications where you live or work. All of this falls under quality control. Nothing is perfect. Quality control makes failures manageable. It also gives them data of how the cars are performing as far as wear and tear on certain choices that were leveraged to save them money in manufacturing. Think of it as field inspections.
The only catastrophic thing that could happen to Tesla at this point would be an issue with batteries which are expensive. This is why Musk is so eager to get his gigafactories up and running. The batteries will then be a commodity that they could afford to replace if a large scale recall was needed.
Look at the Roadster. It took them 5 years to build 2400 of them. Basically, that was about getting the drive train and some of their coding figured out. .5-1 m cars / year. They now have new stampers for their aluminum which enables them to produce parts for about .5-1 m cars / years as well. Their MS line had 50 robots and is now up to 150. Their MX line is some 300-400 robots.
Then came the model S. It has been in production for 5 years. It took them until last year to get up to 50K cars / year.
Now, the MX started in Sept. and in 6 months, now produce at the same rate as MS was just 5 months ago. THey are expected to be at a rate of 100K cars / year by end of 2016.
Now, why was MX able to scale up like that? Because Tesla has not only learned a great deal, but they have scaled up all of their equipment. Their paint shop can handle
M3 is expected to be the lowest labor involved car of all time. As such, with in a short period of time, it will scale up quickly. As to recalls on it, to date, all recalls have involved 3rd party parts in which the company would cheat on their contracts (stupid). So, Tesla simply brings it in-house. M3 is expected to be the most American made car going. As in some 90-95% American made.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
I doubt they will get unionized. I suspect that many of them work for kock bros or for some of the major car makers.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Call it an upgrade instead. The word recall implies something was mandated by a government or standards group. Since this is free and an improvement over the previous design just call it an upgrade.
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In other words - your "solution" is the one I already mentioned, a network of dealers and service centers.
Go the fuck back to kindergarten and get back to me when you have at least the reading comprehension of a wad of chewed bubblegum.
Elon Musk is a tremendous leader and as his biography states, while Zuckerberg is trying to make the world share photos of cute babies, Elon Musk is trying to give mankind a better future, and possibly a way out in case of a catastrophe... It is our duty to support the Tesla. I have this crazy wish that he get interested in hoverboards and make them what they should be. His capabilities are unimaginable, yet he is a humble kind of guy. I am really impressed by this modern day icon.