Islands aren't the only problem. The a huge bulk of human society lives on the coasts. London, Miami, New York, etc. Miami is experiencing far more flooding just from tides than it did just 30 years ago.
London built the Thames Barrier to prevent storm surge flooding. over 50 percent of it's usage has been regular tidal flooding
The Thames Barrier has been closed 182 times since it became operational in 1982 (correct as of February 2018). Of these closures, 95 were to protect against tidal flooding
Sometimes they even close the barrier now at low tide to provide a place for excess rain to go because the rain plus higher tides would be flooding.
Sea level is rising and now rising faster than it has in 100s or 1000s of years.. That simply isn't in dispute.
Larger islands don't discount rising seas until they are overtopped. An island that's 1 foot above sea level can get larger with 6 inches of rise without shrinking - that doesn't mean there isn't a significant problem going forward.
Given that massive changes in animal/fish migration are already very observable, it's highly likely the fish are moving due to temperature increases. The Inuit in North America had no word for Robin...because they'd never seen one before but now they are.
The issue is that software is just math.
You 'patent' multiplication....I come up with 'looped addition' - holy separate and unique
Patents are about an implementation, not an idea.
If your idea can be accomplished with trivially via a different method....your 'patent' isn't worth much and shouldn't be.
This is seemingly an anti-monopolistic issue, not a patient issue.
if a game maker wants copyright protection they need to provide to a 3rd party every bit of code required to run the game....expressly so it can be preserved.
So then no links supporting the claim? that water vapor is a major greenhouse gas isn't in dispute...OP was saying that H20 emitting cars would cause significant effects, but you haven't provided any supporting evidence
As for electrolysis being energy intensive, again, solar power is free fuel to power said process. 8000x more energy hits the earth in a year than we use as an entire planet. We've got all the power we need; just need to harness it.
Hydrogen can be easily produced with solar, we just need the scale of distribution and storage...which fossil fuel produced hydrogen needs as well.
My question was to your assertion that having all cars emitting H20 vapor would affect greenhouse effect. Anything to support that? (Ignore the source for the moment, as I completely agree, getting hydrogen from fossil fuels would be the wrong direction)
Long term it could be a solution when we have enough solar/wind power to produce it.
Agreed, the infrastructure needs to be ramped up but the physics and energy needed are all in place right now. Batteries aren't a panacea with current technology as charge times take vastly longer than filling a tank, gas or hydrogen.
peak oil is a myth. What it really means is that the cost of extracting the oil starts to go up significantly, both in $$$ and in the CO2 released both by extraction and processing; see Tar Sands for an example of a pricey fuel that has massive carbon implications. So your after 'peak' of extraction means exponential CO2 increase.
So oil extraction will continue for well 100 years...by which time NYC and most major world cities will be 10 feet under water.
#2 interesting point. Any links that show how much h20 would be released if every car was a hydrogen fuel car and whether that would be a significant impact?
Unlike CO2, atmospheric H20 concentrations are determined by temperature, so if more H20 is added that isn't supported by temperature it would condense out...at least that's the laymans science version I believe.
From what I can see, water vapor concentrations are 1000x that of CO2 so it would take considerably more to have the effect. That being mitigated somewhat by the different greenhouse gas strength of the 2 gases but they aren't 1000x different.
The carbon released from rotting/decomposing wood goes into the air. Perhaps it routes through the soil, but it goes up into the air eventually.
Perhaps look at the CO2 levels over the course of the year. High in the fall and winter, low in the spring and summer? Why because last years growth dies and releases the CO2 into the air and the new growth recaptures it (temporarily)
Problem is forests are net zero carbon sinks. Unless something stops it cold and buries it everything growing in a forest will be back in the air within 200 years.
Existing forests don't count either. you need all new forests reclaimed from land we currently use for other things. Forests aren't going to grow in a desert so you can't use the vast tracks of land in the south west. We cut down the North East forests centuries ago. The Amazon is turning into a net RELEASE of carbon due to it's clear cutting.
And that's just for a single year. You need to plant billions of trees per year, every year forever because they don't store CO2 permanently.
So the 'easy' solution to ubiquitous cloud services is to....leave the cloud? How is that not EXACTLY what OP said in trying to leave MS in the 80s/90s?
isn't escape velocity relative to distance though? Since gravity is greater in proximity, it would follow that something 4.4 million miles away doesn't need the speed that something 25,000 miles away would need.
The issue here isn't security...it wasn't compromised by attackers. The issue is redundancy in firmware upgrades and no ability to roll back. I get that it's likely massively expensive but remotely upgrading something that can go wrong requires proven backup measures for when things do go wrong.
whatever. the technical jargon you're using to obfuscate the issue says volumes about your intentions here. Being HONEST with your customers is far far far from what ISPs are doing. It's not just 'marketing' it's outright fraud.
so the marketing people have a challenge in how to be both completely upfront and understandable at the same time.
Bull. Chit. And that's the charitable opinion. if you don't think Verizon and Comcast and their ilk aren't actively conspiring to cheat consumers....just wow.
How will any backbone network sell its service there?
Because backhaul is almost entirely 1:1 in terms of data transit? Unless you're an edge player like an ISP, you 'up/down' ratio is going to be almost equal.
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Islands aren't the only problem. The a huge bulk of human society lives on the coasts. London, Miami, New York, etc. Miami is experiencing far more flooding just from tides than it did just 30 years ago.
London built the Thames Barrier to prevent storm surge flooding. over 50 percent of it's usage has been regular tidal flooding
Sometimes they even close the barrier now at low tide to provide a place for excess rain to go because the rain plus higher tides would be flooding.
Sea level is rising and now rising faster than it has in 100s or 1000s of years.. That simply isn't in dispute.
Larger islands don't discount rising seas until they are overtopped. An island that's 1 foot above sea level can get larger with 6 inches of rise without shrinking - that doesn't mean there isn't a significant problem going forward.
Given that massive changes in animal/fish migration are already very observable, it's highly likely the fish are moving due to temperature increases. The Inuit in North America had no word for Robin...because they'd never seen one before but now they are.
'larger' doesn't mean higher
So when will the poles stop warming? Bonus question when will the increasing warming of the poles start to slow down due to this feedback mechansim?
The issue is that software is just math. You 'patent' multiplication....I come up with 'looped addition' - holy separate and unique Patents are about an implementation, not an idea. If your idea can be accomplished with trivially via a different method....your 'patent' isn't worth much and shouldn't be. This is seemingly an anti-monopolistic issue, not a patient issue.
if a game maker wants copyright protection they need to provide to a 3rd party every bit of code required to run the game....expressly so it can be preserved.
So then no links supporting the claim? that water vapor is a major greenhouse gas isn't in dispute...OP was saying that H20 emitting cars would cause significant effects, but you haven't provided any supporting evidence
As for electrolysis being energy intensive, again, solar power is free fuel to power said process. 8000x more energy hits the earth in a year than we use as an entire planet. We've got all the power we need; just need to harness it.
Hydrogen can be easily produced with solar, we just need the scale of distribution and storage...which fossil fuel produced hydrogen needs as well.
My question was to your assertion that having all cars emitting H20 vapor would affect greenhouse effect. Anything to support that? (Ignore the source for the moment, as I completely agree, getting hydrogen from fossil fuels would be the wrong direction)
Long term it could be a solution when we have enough solar/wind power to produce it.
Agreed, the infrastructure needs to be ramped up but the physics and energy needed are all in place right now. Batteries aren't a panacea with current technology as charge times take vastly longer than filling a tank, gas or hydrogen.
Or, hear me out on this, lets use our brains to find something that will actually work. crazy I know.
peak oil is a myth. What it really means is that the cost of extracting the oil starts to go up significantly, both in $$$ and in the CO2 released both by extraction and processing; see Tar Sands for an example of a pricey fuel that has massive carbon implications. So your after 'peak' of extraction means exponential CO2 increase.
So oil extraction will continue for well 100 years...by which time NYC and most major world cities will be 10 feet under water.
I don't disagree at all. Unfortunately the American culture isn't likely to do this in any near term scenario. Carbon taxes on beef might help though
Troll has no links, numbers are made up...and don't comport with reality
please please please don't let Trump find out this was Nazi inspired
#2 interesting point. Any links that show how much h20 would be released if every car was a hydrogen fuel car and whether that would be a significant impact?
Unlike CO2, atmospheric H20 concentrations are determined by temperature, so if more H20 is added that isn't supported by temperature it would condense out...at least that's the laymans science version I believe.
From what I can see, water vapor concentrations are 1000x that of CO2 so it would take considerably more to have the effect. That being mitigated somewhat by the different greenhouse gas strength of the 2 gases but they aren't 1000x different.
We've put millions of years of CO2 into the air in 150 years. Delaying it's effect for 100 years isn't going to be at all more than a blip.
The carbon released from rotting/decomposing wood goes into the air. Perhaps it routes through the soil, but it goes up into the air eventually.
Perhaps look at the CO2 levels over the course of the year. High in the fall and winter, low in the spring and summer? Why because last years growth dies and releases the CO2 into the air and the new growth recaptures it (temporarily)
Problem is forests are net zero carbon sinks. Unless something stops it cold and buries it everything growing in a forest will be back in the air within 200 years.
Existing forests don't count either. you need all new forests reclaimed from land we currently use for other things. Forests aren't going to grow in a desert so you can't use the vast tracks of land in the south west. We cut down the North East forests centuries ago. The Amazon is turning into a net RELEASE of carbon due to it's clear cutting.
And that's just for a single year. You need to plant billions of trees per year, every year forever because they don't store CO2 permanently.
that people could host themselves
So the 'easy' solution to ubiquitous cloud services is to....leave the cloud? How is that not EXACTLY what OP said in trying to leave MS in the 80s/90s?
isn't escape velocity relative to distance though? Since gravity is greater in proximity, it would follow that something 4.4 million miles away doesn't need the speed that something 25,000 miles away would need.
Actually a serious question, I don't know.
The issue here isn't security...it wasn't compromised by attackers. The issue is redundancy in firmware upgrades and no ability to roll back. I get that it's likely massively expensive but remotely upgrading something that can go wrong requires proven backup measures for when things do go wrong.
users don't patch without prodding. And that's just software. Firmware isnt something users have even heard of.
whatever. the technical jargon you're using to obfuscate the issue says volumes about your intentions here. Being HONEST with your customers is far far far from what ISPs are doing. It's not just 'marketing' it's outright fraud.
so the marketing people have a challenge in how to be both completely upfront and understandable at the same time.
Bull. Chit. And that's the charitable opinion. if you don't think Verizon and Comcast and their ilk aren't actively conspiring to cheat consumers....just wow.
How will any backbone network sell its service there?
Because backhaul is almost entirely 1:1 in terms of data transit? Unless you're an edge player like an ISP, you 'up/down' ratio is going to be almost equal.