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Report: Feds To Ban Theranos Founder Elizabeth Holmes For 2 Years (cbsnews.com)

An anonymous reader writes: According to the Wall Street Journal, health regulators have proposed pulling the federal license for the company's California laboratory and banning its founder and CEO, Elizabeth Holmes, and company president Sunny Balwani from the blood-testing business for two years. The letter which the WSJ cited in its report found that Theranos had not corrected problems at its lab in Newark, California, and faced possible sanctions as a result. In October 2015, the WSJ reported all but one of Theranos' analyzers in use were off the shelf, and that their tiny samples may not always have been accurate. The company was facing allegations of data manipulation in late December 2015. Earlier this year, U.S. regulators found serious deficiencies at Theranos' laboratory in Newark, California, putting the company's relationship with the Medicare program in danger. Theranos has said that The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) has not imposed sanctions on its Newark Lab. "Due to the comprehensive nature of the corrective measures we've taken over the past several months, which has been affirmed by several experts, we are hopeful that CMS won't impose sanctions," the company said in an emailed statement. "But if they do, we will work with CMS to address all of their concerns."

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  1. Wow, how unsurprising by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone who has the least bit of common sense could have told you she's a fraud. She has yet to submit her process to anyone else for confirmation it does what it says it does, her own company has been relying more and more on standard tests rather than their supposed "miracle" process, and companies which have been using her service have been dropping her and going back to what is known to work.

    I remember seeing her listed as one of those youngest self-made billionaires and all I could think was how much she's pulled the wool over on everyone. I can't wait for the lawsuits to come flying in.

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    1. Re:Wow, how unsurprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      She was touted as hot stuff, because of her identity and political connections. This is what happens when you allow politics to interfere with business decisions.

      Still, thank goodness for the free market - She made promises she couldn't deliver on, and when she couldn't deliver, she lost customers, her investors are suing her, and the government is investigating (and punishing) her fraud.

    2. Re:Wow, how unsurprising by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      There are hundreds of theories that work. A well-tuned mass spectrometer could identify virus proteins or things like that. Wouldn't be hard to make something that fakes or comes close to usable.

    3. Re:Wow, how unsurprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thank goodness for the free market? WTF are you talking about? She's being investigated by FEDERAL FREAKING HEALTH REGULATORS.

      Literally the first three words of the article are "Federal health regulators".

    4. Re:Wow, how unsurprising by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I get the results in 24 hours on their phone app, I can order my own tests, test are a FRACTION of the cost

      1. Cheap
      2. Fast
      3. Accurate
      You can pick any 2, as long as you don't pick #3.

    5. Re:Wow, how unsurprising by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Correction: She's being investigated by federal authorities now. Prior to that she was touted as the next great thing because of her gender, because it's trendy as fuck to do that right now(and for the last few years). Not because she had a good product, not because it was great. But because of the location of her sex organs, and the media was complicit in that.

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    6. Re:Wow, how unsurprising by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I get the results in 24 hours on their phone app, I can order my own tests, test are a FRACTION of the cost

      Oh wow! The tests are fast, cheap and come in on an APP (because a website is just too unfashionable now).

      With service that good I really don't care if the results are accurate at all!

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    7. Re:Wow, how unsurprising by PCM2 · · Score: 2

      Oh wow! The tests are fast, cheap and come in on an APP (because a website is just too unfashionable now).

      Pfffff! Chatbot or no sale.

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  2. Just Like Cold Fusion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...I had hoped that the technology was really valid.

    1. Re:Just Like Cold Fusion... by Kierthos · · Score: 1

      Would have been nice, yeah.

      And hell, who knows, sooner or later, it might happen for real. I mean, 30 years ago, things like smart phones, virtual reality gaming (okay, good virtual reality gaming), and self-driving cars were the province of science fiction.

      We could still get to this type of blood testing. It's just not through Theranos.

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  3. Litmus test that you're in a tech bubble by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When investors are willing to place a $9B valuation on a tech unicorn that is so secretive nobody even knows what their actual product is or whether it even works.

    1. Re:Litmus test that you're in a tech bubble by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      Shut up and take my money most VC's don't use their own money but raise it from wealthy individuals

    2. Re:Litmus test that you're in a tech bubble by tomhath · · Score: 4, Informative

      Has it been revealed how much capital they actually raised? A $9b "valuation" probably means they raised a couple hundred million. No doubt a big chunk of that went straight into her own bank account.

      so secretive nobody even knows what their actual product is or whether it even works

      Their product was well known (quick blood tests that used a tiny amount of blood). But everyone knew from the start that it simply didn't work. A college freshman designing a new way of testing blood that the big labs couldn't figure out how to do? Really?

    3. Re:Litmus test that you're in a tech bubble by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      $752M as of April of last year. As you indicated, valuation is usually described as the amount of money raised for a startup's most recent investment, relative to the percentage of equity sold for that offering. It's just like the most recent bid/ask of a publicly traded company, except private.

    4. Re:Litmus test that you're in a tech bubble by sunking2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be fair it was actually a college freshmen with rich parents who could give her seed money to gather people around her who could make believe they were onto something.

    5. Re:Litmus test that you're in a tech bubble by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Everyone? Please there are a lot of people that believed her and your hindsight is 20/20 bullshit is just that. The idea itself is plausible.

      If you can design an IC microchip that could measure chemical composition in blood you'd make billions on a device that could measure things with a finger prick and provide instantaneous results that right now require a plunger in the arm and days to measure. They've got a few similar tests that do work already out there (mainly in the insulin area) and it's not implausible that you could build a circuit to measure the things she was claiming. Some of Theronos's stuff does work, it's just highly inaccurate and that's what she's covered up, probably in the hope she could fix the inaccuracy problem. But as time went on they moved more and more to conventional tests because they couldn't fix the inaccuracy.

      Hopefully as the company implodes the intellectual property will transfer to a company with the resources to figure out if it can actually work accurately. Such processes would save the healthcare industry trillions of dollars.

    6. Re:Litmus test that you're in a tech bubble by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Some of Theronos's stuff does work, it's just highly inaccurate and that's what she's covered up, probably in the hope she could fix the inaccuracy problem. But as time went on they moved more and more to conventional tests because they couldn't fix the inaccuracy.

      To me, "highly inaccurate" translates directly to "it doesn't work". This is hardly 20/20 hindsight, though - there were plenty of people back during Theranos's boom days that were saying they were suspicious of the whole thing.

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    7. Re:Litmus test that you're in a tech bubble by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      They filled a zillion patents. Why did they think the secret sauce would be.. well, secret.

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    8. Re:Litmus test that you're in a tech bubble by gizmo2199 · · Score: 1

      A college freshman designing a new way of testing blood that the big labs couldn't figure out how to do? Really?

      But she's an empowered female disrupter! You're just jealous!

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    9. Re:Litmus test that you're in a tech bubble by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      To me, "highly inaccurate" translates directly to "it doesn't work".

      What if it's the right result 9 times out of 10? Because that level of incorrectness is unacceptable in the medical field. Medical tests need to have accuracy in the four to five nines to be considered accurate. Most of the non-medical world would consider a 9 out of 10 result pretty good, hell a 300 batting average is a 30% success rate and is considered good.

      I believe the hope at Theranos was that they could get to medical level of accuracy in time which they apparently couldn't do. It's that coverup that they should be punished for. Had they been up front about everything and openly worked to improve they wouldn't be in the predicament they are. And that predicament is tied to the CEO lying.

  4. Ban? by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    How about putting her in jail for fraud? Jesus.

    1. Re:Ban? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Putting her in prison would just put us even more on the hook, and she could probably still get elected governor of Florida.

    2. Re:Ban? by tomhath · · Score: 1

      She isn't a billionaire, and never was.

      You start a company. I'll give you a dollar in exchange for 0.00000001% equity in your company. Voila! The company is valued at $1b, and you are a billionaire. Not.

    3. Re:Ban? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Yes, she's what is known as a "provisional" billionaire. Until she can cash out and diversify a bit, her billions are a little light in the reality department.

      If her company sinks, she's toast as well. However, if she's smart and remains unindicted, she might still be a millionaire at the end of it.

    4. Re:Ban? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      How about putting her in jail for fraud?

      Because jails should be used to protect the public from violent criminals, not as a substitute for VC due diligence.

  5. Seems like they drank their own koolaid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's possible this is an Enron type scam, but I think it's more likely that Holmes kept thinking they were on the verge of the big breakthrough, and was able to sell that to lots of investors who should've done more homework. It's like Curt Schilling with 38 Studios, the video game maker that convinced the state of Rhode Island to cosign $75 million in loans in exchange for relocating there and hiring hundreds of engineers.

    1. Re:Seems like they drank their own koolaid by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 2

      It's possible this is an Enron type scam, but I think it's more likely that Holmes kept thinking they were on the verge of the big breakthrough, and was able to sell that to lots of investors who should've done more homework. It's like Curt Schilling with 38 Studios, the video game maker that convinced the state of Rhode Island to cosign $75 million in loans in exchange for relocating there and hiring hundreds of engineers.

      Nope, she gave people fake healthcare information leading to misinformed self-care while promoting self-care based on that bad data. She's probably responsible for more deaths than anyone could even accurately account for along with everyone else at that sham of a company.

  6. ugh, a few years too late by supernova87a · · Score: 2

    What an embarrassment, not just that a company gets banned from providing health services, but that the misrepresentations and malpractices rise to a level so severe that a CEO gets personally banned from the industry. And for the COO (Sunny Balwani) who was threatening low level employees for telling the truth, may he never be employed again by anyone who knows better.

    Perhaps it was a case of having too much fame too soon, and feeling the pressure to lie to cover the failures/shortcoming? If only the truth and exposure had come sooner. There are plenty of entrepreneurs and good ideas out there that deserve the publicity + funding that she got, but didn't because they weren't so well connected.

  7. Banned for two years? by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why not life in jail? How does the whore get to keep millions of dollars for doing nothing and giving people fake health data?

    1. Re:Banned for two years? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Or at least "allegedly brilliant female entrepreneur" anyway. It's good journalism to not jump to any conclusions, right?

    2. Re:Banned for two years? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Why not life in jail? How does the whore get to keep millions of dollars for doing nothing and giving people fake health data?

      Or she could run for president. Worked for Carly Fiorina, didn't it?

    3. Re:Banned for two years? by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Worked for Carly Fiorina, didn't it?

      Hehe, not really. At least Carly was upfront about her incompetence and didn't/couldn't hide it. Yet some people still hold her out to be some kind of gifted business person.

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    4. Re:Banned for two years? by Kierthos · · Score: 1

      Unnecessary and derogatory name-calling on Slashdot.

      Take a shot.

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    5. Re:Banned for two years? by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      I know she's a fraud and I know you hate women, but calling her a whore isn't necessary.

      Sigh. Sometimes I wish homosexuals such as yourself could just accept it instead of shitting on women.

      If I were a homosexual I doubt she would have sucked enough dick to have more resources than me. The fact is she has no skills, no product and a bunch of bullshit. Logically the only conclusion is she got that vast wealth from sex-starved nerds by taking a lot of dick, she has no actual skills so there is no other explanation for it. If using the term "whore" in this context were a knock on all women as you suggest it would not be logically sound as for it to be so all women would have vastly more wealth than me. The whore is a whore, all women aren't whores.

  8. Another Possible Reason . . . by Gnostic+Teflon · · Score: 1

    It may be possible that Theranos has been experiencing problems because one or more of the entrenched interests in the pharm industry wants to slow the company down so they can catch up and come up with competing products with a known brand name. Such move would cause the talent to jump ship and thus sink the startup. Or, they are simply trying to sink the company to extend their present business plan(s). This is more probable than Theranos and Holmes et. al. being frauds. If such were the case, you would have seen a few billion $ and the leadership missing shortly after the IPO.

    1. Re:Another Possible Reason . . . by fred911 · · Score: 1

      " Or, they are simply trying to sink the company to extend their present business plan(s)."

      The only conspiracy here was the sale of smoke and mirrors. Nothing more than selling the dream with a compelling staff and story, ala Madoff. Time and financial forensics will eventually show the real product, which I imagine is just that, a story without the IP to support any of it.

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    2. Re:Another Possible Reason . . . by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      If they were being hounded and had something that worked, they could have shared raw data and invited auditors in for documentation. Instead it was all lies and secrets. Nobody fled because they were always two weeks from the breakthrough. Sometimes no amount of money can buy a breakthrough, no matter how much money you have, and how much you want it.

    3. Re:Another Possible Reason . . . by SNRatio · · Score: 1
      Hi.

      1. Theranos makes(?) diagnostics. Pharm industry makes drugs.

      2. The diagnostic industry already knew that blood from skinpricks not only doesn't contain the same quantities of many biomarkers as blood from venous draws, the levels can also vary wildly from drop to drop, making the results pretty useless. Why compete with that?

    4. Re:Another Possible Reason . . . by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      It may be possible that Theranos has been experiencing problems because one or more of the entrenched interests in the pharm industry wants to slow the company down so they can catch up and come up with competing products with a known brand name.

      That doesn't really make any sense. If there really was some kind of Big Pharma conspiracy like that, the smart move would be to wish Theranos godspeed, let them come up with their big breakthrough, and then right when they're ready to go to market, use Big Pharma influence to trip them onto their faces. File lawsuits, file objections with regulators, what-have-you, the whole time Theranos is bleeding money, and then finally Big Pharma says, "Look, all of this can end tomorrow if you just let us buy a controlling stake in you."

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  9. Re:For-profit healthcare in action. by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Informative

    The ACA didn't actually change the privateness of the healthcare system. It didn't nationalize anything. It simply implemented some minor regulatory reforms, coupled with insurance mandates and major regulatory reforms on insurers, and made more subsidies available.

    So it really isn't relevant here one way or another.

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  10. Silicon Valley in healthcare: Break All The Rules! by SNRatio · · Score: 1

    oops, those were laws.

  11. WSJ and Slashdot late to this party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The story of Theranos and Elizabeth Holmes have been covered at length at, how shall I put it, "other places" on the Web.

    Many of us here on Slashdot toil away at technical jobs in the vain hope of getting paid health coverage or maybe a retirement plan, forget about becoming wealthy let alone famous. Then there are these techies who get hyped as the "Next Steve Jobs" or "the most influential tech entrepreneurs under age 30" and we read their stories in a mixture of wonderment, envy, and resentment of why-am-I-stuck-what-I-am-doing-without-the-least-recognition-from-anyone. Elizabeth Holmes is one of those people you read about.

    So yes, there is an Internet full of envious would-be critics who look at her story and all of the hype surrounding her company and personal success story and migrate from asking "Why no me?" to "WTF?" as scrutiny and skepticism gets crowd-sourced far and wide across the Web.

    One question is "Here is this blonde-babe tech wunderkind" and "why are the board members of her company all of these wash-up geezers from the Industrial-Government Complex", including such personages as Henry Kissinger, George Schultz, and others. Not that there is anything wrong with a woman tech entrepreneur not looking and acting like Amy on the Big Bang Theory, but what is the deal with all of these old-dude Republicans not known for having any particular insights into bio-tech? The explanation is that these are friends and neighbors of Ms. Holmes parents. OK, this is starting to swing the discussion among people regarding "why are there not more women in technical fields" and asking "is it nature or nurture", and the explanation swings to "connections."

    I guess that sort of speculation is the domain of borderline of not outright racist-sexist "alt-Right" Web sites. But these sites links to commentary that might be respectable.

    There is this dude from France named Jean-Louis Gassee -- you may have heard of him if you are old enough, he was once an Apple Computer bigwig around the time of the Mac-II introduction. His technical interest is in computers rather than in bio-tech, but he has a rather personal interest in blood testing owing to suffering from a rare chronic blood disorder only known to James-Bond film villains. His body produces too many red blood cells and he has to take medicine to counteract this, and if frequent monitoring blood tests show that is blood count is getting too high, the doctors need to bleed him to remove a pint at a time (it gets thrown away because suffering from this illness, the health authorities disqualify him as a blood donor). If you wanted some senior person on the board of a company like this, he may be your man, or maybe not because he asks too many questions.

    So what Monsieur Gassee does is have his blood tested, both at conventional medical labs and through Theranos at his local Silicon-Valley Walgreens. He finds that conventional labs at least give consistent readings between different times of testing, but the Theranos results fluctuate all over the place. Accuracy is important to his medical condition because if he lets too many red cells pile up, his internal organs could shut down.

    So as to probability and giving Ms. Holmes and Theranos the benefit-of-the-doubt at this point, that may be "water over the dam" right now.
    Gassee's blog musings draws out a lot of commentary from people who seem to know about blood testing -- such as people who draw blood for medical labs as opposed to former Secretaries of State under Republican Administrations. Theranos' "disruptive business model" is using only the drop of blood from a "finger stick" as used by diabetics for blood sugar monitoring instead of drawing a whole vial from a vein in your arm. These blood-lab techs chime in that the blood you get from your vein is different-in-kind than the drop of blood from the end of your finger. For one thing, the vein blood hasn't been "through the wringer" of being squeezed out through the capillaries in your finger tip. It hasn't h

    1. Re:WSJ and Slashdot late to this party by wildstoo · · Score: 1

      Sorry "Mr AC", but although you may have had some "valid points" in your "fine post", I'm now going to "sue you blind" because your writing style "gave me cancer."

  12. Re:Crappy headline by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

    She's being banned from Federal contracting and participating in anything federally funded. It's called a federal contracting death sentence and it will pretty much end her career in anything involving federal research dollars (which is almost all research). Basically the only research she can participate in during this time frame is something entirely funded by private dollars and there is very little research that is funded like that.

  13. Re:Crappy headline by sunking2 · · Score: 2

    Banning her from black turtlenecks and caked on makeup.

  14. Not tech, healthcare by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

    When investors are willing to place a $9B valuation on a tech unicorn that is so secretive nobody even knows what their actual product is or whether it even works.

    It's a health care bubble, actually. There's over-investment in the health care sector right now, at least in startup costs.

    Of course, there are also massive startup hurdles there for regulatory and bill-payment reasons

  15. Schadenfreude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The investors around this tried to _construct_ a female Anglo-saxon technology success story... and failed.

    There is another story like this: Danielle Fong - "green energy storage" by a woman, so famous people threw a lot of money at it and it waffles around indefinitely. She should legitimately be a researcher working on this at maybe at university or government or corporate lab, not as co-founder of a startup.

    Marissa Mayer is this too... installed by delusional religious/political thinking.

    And here's what's not this:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/russellflannery/2015/04/21/chinese-tech-entrepreneur-is-now-the-worlds-richest-self-made-woman/
    http://fortune.com/2015/10/22/china-dominates-the-list-of-the-worlds-richest-women/

    Is that embarrassing, that 'patriarchal' China is dominating the 'feminist' West at female entrepreneurship?

  16. Re:For-profit healthcare in action. by Mashiki · · Score: 1, Troll

    Tell that to my friends that lost their plans, and now pay $5k/year(up from $2k/yr) more for private insurance with a higher co-pay, and poorer quality of care, along with reductions in drug coverage.

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  17. Re: For-profit healthcare in action. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thats right. Weekends are also terrible socialist ideas

  18. Re:For-profit healthcare in action. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    How the hell would that solve the underlying problem?

    A big first step would be information transparency. Require doctors to publicly post their prices. Prohibit them from banning patients for posting reviews. Malpractice information, and outcome data should be publicly available.

  19. Differnet Groups` by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

    That's a different group of authorities (and a different standard of proof). They're stopping her from supplying services to the government.

    I suppose the state authorities (or FBI or similar) could investigate her for fraud.

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  20. rofl by Tom · · Score: 1

    And she was just named as an example of a self-made rich person in another topic here.

    Thanks for reminding me, I should have added "criminal" to "inherited".

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  21. Re:For-profit healthcare in action. by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps you need a proper national medical scheme then - regardless of what you think of the quality of it, I would much rather live with the NHS here in the UK than have to use the US system.

  22. She will still glide through life by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This woman will spend the rest of her life on boards of directors, working for some private equity firm, and generally gliding through life in positions where she may ore may not actually contribute anything that can be measured. Yet the more "accomplishments" she pads onto her resume the more she will use that resume to clime some other ladder.

    But her real contribution will be to sour the milk for any company that wants to actually do what she pretended to be doing. They will go to raise money for a valid, real, not fraudulent product, and their requests will be filed beside cold fusion and madoff investments.

    1. Re:She will still glide through life by trailerparkcassanova · · Score: 1

      In other words she's the next Carly Fiorina.

    2. Re:She will still glide through life by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

      Yes, what is it about these "high achievers" that they can just keep going from screwup to screwup and somehow people look back at their long history of screwups and say, "Wow, they have done so much in their life.".

      To me it all boils down to a strange little incident in my old highschool. A guy I knew was running for school president and encouraged everyone to make posters that made fun of him. The school was suddenly filled with posters, except that most were complementary. His win was assured. Then the principal disqualified him and bluntly told him that the guy who the principal supported had all his older siblings be school president and that the other guy was going places and would need school president on his resume when applying to top universities.

      The other guy ended up being the CFO of a company that later was mired in scandal as a somewhat ponzi scheme that somehow never resulted in prison. Just as everyone expected. This was after a single term in politics.

    3. Re:She will still glide through life by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

      I wish you were correct.

  23. Re:For-profit healthcare in action. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    They live in the US. I live in Canada and still pay out the ass for private coverage so I don't go broke. The NHS? That entire fucking scheme is broken, and I don't even want to get started on it.

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  24. I thought it said "Thermos" by sabbede · · Score: 1

    So I was a bit confused.

  25. David Boies by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

    I knew they didn't stand a chance as soon as they retained David Boies as their legal counsel (despite the conflict of interest, since he sits on their Board). Why on Earth do people think he's some kinda super-lawyer? I mean look at his track record:

    Defended Napster (they were shut down).
    Convicted Microsoft (overturned on appeal)*
    Worked for Al Gore in the 2000 election (he didn't become president)
    Represented Andy Fastow from Enron (he went to jail).
    Worked for Oracle in their case against Google for Java (Oracle lost).
    And let's not forget everybody's favorite, the SCO Group.

    I mean he has had some victories, such as defending IBM in their anti-trust case (although he wasn't the primary litigator), but I'm sure whatever Theranos was paying him was WAY more than what they received in return.

    *I know it's complicated, but at the end of the day MS beat the DOJ.

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  26. Elizabeth Holmes is hot by halfdan+the+black · · Score: 1

    I don't really care what she does, but my God she is HOT!!!

  27. Re:For-profit healthcare in action. by Lotharus · · Score: 1

    Mod points aren't about whether you agree with the person. Stop abusing the moderation system.

  28. Re:For-profit healthcare in action. by Moridineas · · Score: 1

    Random, but I saw your username and thought of this article I saw today -- http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/04/15/national/mashiki-quake-survivors-describe-terror-homes-collapsed/

    Any connection to you?

  29. Re:For-profit healthcare in action. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    Any connection to you?

    Only in family history.

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  30. Re:For-profit healthcare in action. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    But, the question is, would you rather live on medicare/medicaid/tricare (military medical)/VA than the current commercial system?

    It isn't if your government can do it better than commercial, it is if our government can. The government run medical care programs in the US have been terrible, just look at all the scandals the VA has gone through recently:

    https://www.google.com/search?...

    They had people dying waiting to come in for care, while having an enormous surplus of funds for care. This is what a US healthcare system will be like.

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