Slashdot Mirror


Apple Considering Google-Like 'Paid Search' On App Store (bloomberg.com)

Apple is considering big changes to the App Store, according to a Bloomberg report. The publication claims that the iPhone maker has a team working on "paid searches" -- something similar to Google's model. Under this, the company will charge its developers for showing their apps among top search results. Apple critic John Gruber writes: This sounds like a terrible idea. The one and only thing Apple should do with App Store search is make it more accurate. They don't need to squeeze any more money from it. More accurate, reliable App Store search would help users and help good developers. It's downright embarrassing that App Store search is still so bad. Google web search is better for searching Apple's App Store than the App Store's built-in search. That's the problem Apple needs to address.

12 of 49 comments (clear)

  1. While we're doing Google comparisons ... by perpenso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While we're doing Google comparisons ... how about letting developers respond to a confused, erroneous or otherwise misinformed review.

    1. Re:While we're doing Google comparisons ... by perpenso · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Devs lie through their teeth on android review replies. I don't trust them at all.

      And you see through it? What's the problem?

      The problem is we're only hearing from one side, and that side is likely to misinform as well. At least with a developer followup one can hear both sides, more info is available. And if the response is BS marketing/sales stuff then that is info too.

      Examples:

      Cust: Doesn't do X?

      Dev immediate response: We do support X, please see page YY in our manual, available on our website as a PDF.
      or
      Dev response two months later: We have added support for X in version 1.Z. Thank you for your suggestion.

    2. Re:While we're doing Google comparisons ... by BradleyUffner · · Score: 2

      Devs lie through their teeth on android review replies. I don't trust them at all.

      And users give bad reviews for reasons that don't make any sense, such as a live wallpaper not having an entry in the app drawer.

    3. Re:While we're doing Google comparisons ... by perpenso · · Score: 2

      So in the first case the app isn't intuitive enough.

      That's a BS answer. Some apps are more complicated than a flashlight app. And see your own caveat below "Of course customers ...". A dev response allows for more accurate information. What is wrong with more accurate info?

      The best dev response is to improve the app, not argue with the review.

      Its not a debate of opinion, its a statement of a fact.

      In the second, the review comment will have disappeared into the "comments on older versions" section,

      Show comments for all versions is a popular option.

      ... and the fact that the feature is now in the app will be listed in the description of the

      That lacks the "intuitiveness" you championed earlier. So in your opinion a user viewing all reviews needs to cross reference all software update descriptions, rather than a simply read an informative attachment to the complain of omission?

      Of course customers aren't always right. Sometimes they say stupid things. But if it's a good app, they will be outnumbered, and sometime corrected by reviews from other customers.

      And hence the utility of example 1.

      Fact is good apps will get more positive reviews than bad apps. Regardless of devs getting a right to reply.

      Its not about review numbers, its about providing accurate information.

  2. Probably won't happen by LichtSpektren · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple is ridiculously rich because of the high margins on their products. The reason they can have high margins is primarily because they have high customer satisfaction -- and also a great reputation, which is a result of the customer satisfaction. Cluttering their app store with stupid shit like this might make them a few pennies, but it will reduce customer satisfaction.

  3. Step back to brick and mortar in some ways ... by perpenso · · Score: 2

    Its also possibly a step back to the old brick and mortar days where small devs had to compete with large corporations for shelf space, in other words rarely get shelf space. It might undo the somewhat equalized footing of a good set of keywords in a search showing both the large and small developers. Where the difference may be brand recognition and not so much visibility to potential customers (as with brick and mortar shelf space).

  4. Can I pay to make its search WORK? by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The search in the app store already sucks so hard that I literally Google what I want first, and then go back and try to "trick" the app store into actually showing it to me.

    I hate ads with a passion, but in this case, I doubt paid listings could seriously make it any worse.

    1. Re:Can I pay to make its search WORK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm thinking the same thing.

      It could, at least, let some high quality titles backed by legit developers with a legit marketing budget get some visibility. While not ideal for everything it could be an improvement. (And help Apple make more money, which is why they do anything really)

      Right now the app store is gamed by so much.. Crap. Just pure cash-in crap with no value at all.

      Not saying some crap vendor could not pay to promote crap, but the bar would be probably raised a bit.

      What's missing from the app store, and the google play store, is high quality free software. What makes using a PC (Both Linux and Windows) is a lot of really great free (As in speech and beer) software.

      On a PC I don't have to spend a dime and I can get a lot of really great productive software. Either OSS, semi-oss, or closed-with-strings-attached. The devs make their software for the love of the craft, or have a business model that revolves around paid support, premium SKUs for professionals, or ad revenue.

      On the app store everything just seems like a con to get you to in-app purchases. The play store is worse, as android allows a lot of things that should really be described as malware.

      Where's the good free software? Does it exist? Or do the default "stores" just do such a bad job that good free software gets buried?

    2. Re:Can I pay to make its search WORK? by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

      This is exactly what I have to do. Even to find Apple's own applications.

      You type in the EXACT APP NAME and it doesn't come up in a search.... what the crap is with that?

      --
      My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
  5. So that's why... by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 2

    "...The publication claims that the iPhone maker has a team working on "paid searches" -- something similar to Google's model."

    So that's why I only get garbage on the results of my searches on Google Play? At best one or two relevant results and the following not having nothing to do with what I was looking for? Dammit!

    --
    Religion: The greatest weapon of mass destruction of all time
  6. Re:current apple's 1 success is iphones by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2

    All of their divisions make money.

    The iPhone is far from 'average'. It may not always be 'best', but average is underselling it by quite a large margin.

    The unused cash pile is enormous. It would run the company for an awfully long time.

    Apple makes money the same way every other company does: they put products for sale at a certain price. If people buy them, they make money. Apple has made products that nobody wanted, and those products went away. Calling them 'money grubbing' may be true, but no more true of them than anyone else. They just happen to be the best at playing the game.

  7. App store discoverability is terrible by JMZero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Right now, discoverability is terrible in the app store. Unless I know what I want already, I don't go there - because the suggestions I get will be for Star Wars, Angry Birds, and Star Wars Angry Birds.

    As a comparison, look at Steam. I buy all sorts of weird crap on Steam because they have so many ways to explore their content. One day I'm buying a AAA title for $50, the next I'm the 100th person to buy some random indie title for $2, the next I'm getting some older thing that just went on 70% - and I'm having a good experience with all those. The Queues are brilliant, their sales system is great, and their social features actually work (even though I only have a few friends on Steam, I quite often get sucked into buying something that they've played or reviewed or whatever).

    Google and Apple (who both enjoy essentially monopoly status on their platforms) should both be stealing ideas as hard as they can from Valve here (who earned its popularity with users and developers by providing value to both over the long term).

    Trying to monetize placement is completely backwards - it's creating win-lose situations between developers, and win-lose for Apple and consumers. Doing better work to help show people the stuff they might want is win-win-win, where the pie gets bigger, developers sell more, and consumers are more satisfied with what the stuff they get because it matches their preferences better.

    --
    Let's not stir that bag of worms...