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Jet Strikes Drone Near Heathrow Airport (marketwatch.com)

smooth wombat writes: "A British Airways flight Sunday appears to have collided with a drone on a flight bound for London's busy Heathrow Airport in what may be the first such incident involving a major airline," according to MarketWatch. "The flight from Geneva, Switzerland to Heathrow, Europe's busiest hub, is believed to have struck a drone, the London Metropolitan Police said in a statement. The plane landed safely following the incident, which occurred around 12:50 p.m. local time. 'It was only a matter of time before we had a drone strike given the huge numbers being flown around by amateurs who don't understand the risks and the rules,' said BALPA flight safety specialist Steve Landells... 'Much more education of drone users and enforcement of the rules is needed to ensure our skies remain safe from this threat'."

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  1. regulation by Noah+Haders · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hope everybody is ok. This bodes very poorly for drone ultraregulation and enforcement. As the summary says, it was only a matter of time.

    1. Re:regulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Here's the thing though-

      Every commercial plane is tested against strikes with fowl. Are they really going to tell me a drone is going to cause more damage that a chicken being shot through a cannon?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_gun

      I get you don't want airspace to be packed with drones, but is an occasional strike really worth all this handwringing?

      It seems more they are in search of finding a reason to regulate than addressing any current problem.

    2. Re: regulation by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      D'you know what, until said testing is done, I'm actually fine with "don't fly your drones near an airport, you twat."

      And, actually, I'm fine with that afterwards as well.

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    3. Re: regulation by KGIII · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Several years ago, maybe more, I started warning you that this was going to happen. I gave you ways to try to avoid it. You told me that I was an idiot and that they'd never enact "draconian lol" legislation - and you told me that you'd just do it anyhow. You guys are fucked.

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    4. Re:regulation by gweihir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apparently, no repairs were needed, nobody was injured and they are not even sure it was a drone. Talk about irrational fears...

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  2. Manufacturer's responsibility by wvmarle · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I got a small, China made drone here.

    The bilingual (Chinese/Chinglish) manual makes me understand how to operate the thing, but not a single word about safety. Just adding legal limits (e.g. minimum distance from airports, maximum height, distance from buildings - or even links to national web sites where such rules are explained) of where to fly them would be a great improvement.

    1. Re:Manufacturer's responsibility by wvmarle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There are lots of "common sense" things, especially in US manuals, such as don't iron clothes on your body or while taking a bath.

      Obviously plenty of people need reminders.

    2. Re:Manufacturer's responsibility by wvmarle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Putting in a general notice such as "limits may exist in your part of the world, look them up before flying this thing", and maybe even spending a few hours online to get links to rule making bodies in their major export markets, shouldn't be too much to ask.

    3. Re:Manufacturer's responsibility by Tuidjy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, yes, definitely, the manual for the Chinese drone should include all the relevant air safety laws for your location. Just like my Japanese Supra came with a copy of the California Driver Handbook. Oh, wait, it did not!

      Knowing the applicable laws is the user's responsibility. The drone's documentation should contain what's applicable to the drone, not a compendium of all laws governing the use of airspace from the North to the South pole. Even if the local regulations required that the relevant laws are included with the drone, it would be probably left to the local distributor to do so.

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  3. Re:Obviously, no safety problem was demonstrated h by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What a moron. We have wait until an airliner crashes, then we do something, right? You'll notice that the thing was not sucked into an engine, and that the 747 was landing, not taking off. If both those criteria had been met then your post might read a little differently. You appear not to notice the research that has been conducted on bird strikes on large jets for many years. You also seem to be unaware of the unlucky passengers of light aircraft who have had large birds land in their laps, along with chunks of perspex and aluminium. The pilots are asking for more research, but you'd rather not find out because, hey, your rights trump everything and everyone.

  4. Re:"May Have" Struck a Drone by Sarten-X · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, they've said that such collisions could result in a loss of life.

    This drone apparently hit the plane's nose. If it were an engine intake at a critical moment, the story could be quite different. It happens occasionally with bird strikes, and it can happen with drones, that an incident will cause significant damage.

    One key difference between birds and drones, though, is that birds tend to avoid aircraft. Stupid humans, on the other hand, tend to do ever-dumber things without realizing the risks they're causing. Current drones are usually small, lightweight, plastic little things... but there are plenty of larger kits out there, and improving battery technology is making it cheaper and easier to pose a real threat. The age of rare aviation is over, and now everyone can put an obstacle into the flight path if they want to, without even realizing that there's a danger to others.

    It's a careful balance to be struck... Little Bobby's 6-ounce toy isn't a risk, but if Bobby starts flying a drone at age 10 without any limits, he won't be expecting limits when he flies a 20-pound drone at age 20. Trying to record the neighbor girl sunbathing might be rude, but trying to record the takeoff of an approaching single-engine airplane might be deadly.

    That's the concern for lawmakers and airlines. Current technology and incidents present only annoyances for pilots, but now is the time to start thinking about regulation, and hopefully lay out reasonable limits. Don't wait until after the first deadly drone strike, when all the politicians bring their knee-jerk reactions.

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  5. Re:Are drone dangers exaggerated? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And, do you really think that if someone wants to use a drone to try crashing a plane, the regulation is going to stop them?

    Might as well take that stupid "murder" law off the books as well, then, eh?

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  6. Intent by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Everyone assuming these are accidents instead of trial runs. Two drones, each carrying a titanium bar, targeting an engine on ascent would make for a very sad day.

    I'm a bit surprised this hasn't happened yet on US air bases in Afghanistan or Iraq, but on the other hand, targeting civilians is more 'terrifying'.

    Here's hoping it never happens, but I can't see how.

    Of course, it will instantly be used to justify even more destruction of our rights, privacies, and religious tolerance. The powers that be are delighted to still run (and profit from) the Bin Laden playbook and finally bring about the West vs. Islam war he desired.

  7. Re: "May Have" Struck a Drone by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is bullshit. All you have to do is park your car on the side of the highway close to the teavel lane to experience the extreme buffeting that shakes the entire car as every single vehicle goes by at high speed 6 feet away.

    Yes, as the vehicle passes, not before it gets there. I see why you didn't log in, son.

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