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Amazon Splits Prime Video Service To Compete Directly With Netflix (techcrunch.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from TechCrunch: Starting today, non-Prime members can subscribe to Amazon Prime Video for $8.99 per month. You can cancel any time, you don't have to subscribe to a year upfront. With an Amazon Prime Video subscription, you only get access to Amazon's video library -- no expedited shipping, no music library. When it comes to Amazon Prime, it still costs $99 per year. And yes, it still includes Prime Video. You can also choose to subscribe to Prime for $10.99 per month. You get access to expedited shipping, Prime video, Prime Music, and the Kindle Lending Library. The move is to help the service compete directly against Netflix, Hulu, and other video streaming services. TechCrunch reinforces Amazon's latest move as being in-line with the subscription launchpad they have going with Amazon Prime: "The company can try out new services and see if they work. From day one, these new services will have millions of subscribers. And Amazon certainly spends a lot of time tracking what its users do with these new services."

105 comments

  1. What about geoblocking? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Are they going to pull the same shit?

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    1. Re:What about geoblocking? by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's really not up to the provided to decide. They don't own (most) of the content, so they are kinda beholden to the rights-holder and their agreements. But please, keep getting mad at the wrong people - the studios like that.

    2. Re:What about geoblocking? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You're right. I could just pay them and use bittorrent. No complaints.

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    3. Re:What about geoblocking? by DrXym · · Score: 1
      Yes it is for them to decide by negotiating contract terms that allow them to do it. And I'll give you an example of how boneheaded Amazon have been so far - people in Ireland can buy a Prime subscription from Amazon UK (indeed at Christmas time Amazon was heavily promoting it) but they can't watch Prime movies because they are geoblocked from doing so. So despite the fact that other companies including Netflix and all cable / satellite providers manage the feat of treating these two countries together, Amazon can't.

      And Netflix have since launched in most other EU countries too and the content has become somewhat homogenous. Naturally not every piece of content is available everywhere, there are some notable exceptions and I'm sure people use VPNs to circumvent some limits. But Netflix do seem to have the clear intention of making their content available globally or over a wide a region wherever possible. And that all starts with the contract negotiation phase.

      Anyway, so far Amazon has been doing a piss poor job of competing with Netflix. Their selection sucks. Their software sucks. The way they mix subscription / pay content together sucks. I'm not surprised they're desperately changing their payment terms again to attract more people. I expect they won't get anywhere unless they improve the content. Netflix is a juggernaut and it could do with some decent competition and Amazon isn't it.

  2. Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by eepok · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously, almost every Netflix subscriber will agree that the Netflix GUI has literally only gotten worse with every new iteration. From removing sort and filter options, to putting too much emphasis on movement and DVD box covers to the sheer amount of resources it takes up, it's been a non-stop cluster. It's as if they want to make it difficult for you to watch something you think you would like.

    But still, it's 100 times better than Amazon Prime's interface.

    What happened to the days of highly functional web interfaces?

    1. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by RichMan · · Score: 1

      I have resorted to typing 2 or 3 random letters into the search box then scrolling through the people list to scan the Netflix catalogue for something interesting.

    2. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by OhPlz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What happened to the days of highly functional web interfaces?

      User Experience (UX) Engineering.

      It doesn't have to function, but it has to have a damn nice drop shadow with rounded edges.

    3. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by tom229 · · Score: 1

      What happened to the days of highly functional web interfaces?

      Hipsters. More accurately their "I know what's good for you better than you do" mentality. Pioneered with great success by Apple Inc - just look at their stock price. Unfortunately you and I are the minority. It's a shame too, my lawn was so beautiful once.

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    4. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What happened to the days of highly functional web interfaces?

      I once had a really nice reply to this but pressed backspace in the wrong context and lost it all.

    5. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by jroysdon · · Score: 2

      TiVo for the win - use the awesome TiVo interface and find whatever recorded, Netflix, or Amazon (and Hulu Plus if you can stomach ads still) shows you want to watch, all from the same great interface.

    6. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have prime and have yet to watch a video. I cannot understand how anyone would pay money for anything as poorly organized and displayed as that.

    7. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >"Seriously, almost every Netflix subscriber will agree that the Netflix GUI has literally only gotten worse with every new iteration."

      How can I possibly agree more? And I am talking about the DVD site even.

      Many features I want are missing or taken away or never existed. Want to see actual new releases? Nope. Want to see a trailer? Nope. Want to rate something with partial stars? Nope. Want to sort a search result? Nope. Want to see your own review of a movie page you have up? Nope. Want an advanced search with filters? Nope. Want to see the past release date (not year) of the movie? Nope. Want to send written feedback to Netflix through the site or Email? Nope. Want to see what is available on streaming if you are not a streaming customer? Nope.

    8. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Had a relative that tried Amazon Prime for video only, and said it really sucked as the selection was not very large and the few things that he did want to watch there very often included an extra charge beyond the normal Prime subscription.

    9. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Since the lists of what they have is public there are several web sites that help you find things on Netflix. Some sites tell you what is vanishing that month and what new programs are arriving, and so forth. For example, flicksurfer.com, not great in my view but it has a lot of ways to search for offerings.

    10. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My biggest problem with prime video is that it shows me the free content alongside the paid content with little distinction.. and most of it is paid. I wish I could filter out to only see the free content..

    11. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by marsu_k · · Score: 2

      It doesn't have to function, but it has to have a damn nice drop shadow with rounded edges.

      Get with the times! It has to be rectangular, single background color, tons of padding and the thinnest sans serif font one can find. Add translucency for bonus points.

    12. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think if it did, you'd find there isn't much at all that is free.

      I'd like to see them totally split these services so that I'd only get the free shipping, but paid less for it. I really don't care about the terrible free kindle books, or almost-nothing-to-watch-for-free video service.

    13. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You are describing the symptom, not the cause.

      UIs used to be designed by programmers, who made them highly functional as the GP describes. Programmers pick things like sorted lists and filters because that's what they learned and that's how they like to handle data.

      The UX people noticed that ordinary users don't really like that. How often do you see ordinary people even using the sort features in a file browser? Ordinary users are dumb and must be spoon fed the content, or they won't find it. That's why Netflix has put so much effort into its recommendation system. Users won't spend ages digging through lists, if something good isn't shoved under their nose they will simply cancel their subscription.

      So the UI changes to "expose" features and streamline everything as much as possible, even if that means removing functions that programmers like. It's a shame they can't keep both options easily accessible.

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    14. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by elvesrus · · Score: 1

      I don't know if there is a default option, but there should be a spot to check for 'included with prime'. At least on the browser version anyway.

    15. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by elvesrus · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't help with the clusterfuck of a GUI, but definitely help with the TV search results, consolidate the fucking seasons into the base show,

      Between having every season as its own result and the horrific GUI is why I cancelled after the free month.

    16. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, almost every Netflix subscriber will agree that the Netflix GUI has literally only gotten worse with every new iteration.

      Thank goodness it didn't also get figuratively worse.

    17. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      The selection is almost unbelievably bad, especially considering they're selling it separately now. We got Prime for the shipping perks because it's an actual savings given how much we order stuff online. I definitely could not recommend prime video at this time.

    18. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Why can't a I search movies by rating? I can block everything, but I can't search for a pg or g rated movie easily.

    19. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why I miss video stores.

    20. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      But one of the biggest complaints about the current Facebook implementation is that the "latest post" sort order doesn't hang around enough. Of course, Facebook is more interested in "top stories" because it allows them to pretend that all of that promoted / sponsored content is "top". Regardless, that's a sort feature that people WANT to use (but can't). Lots of people hate their content being completely controlled by someone else --- give me recommendations (the 80%).....but also let me see everything for the instances where the recommendations aren't what I'm looking for (the 20%).

    21. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by Dan+East · · Score: 1

      Here's a great example of Netflix's UI where bells and whistles interfere with basic functionality. When you move your mouse pointer over the search button, it expands into an edit box. If you remove your mouse from the widget then the edit box goes away. Thus you must keep your mouse over top of the button in order to type (totally nonstandard in every way). I have a machine with no keyboard that I play music and videos with in my office. I simply use an onscreen keyboard whenever I need to type (which is seldom on that box). So it's a major pain in the butt to reposition the onscreen keyboard relative to the search button so I can move the mouse from the button directly onto the keyboard to prevent the search box from closing because it lost mouse hover. Just stupid.

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    22. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure there's a section for "New to Prime" for both movies and TV. I scan it every so often and add things to my playlist.

      Surely there's a "Prime Video" section for both too. I can confirm when I get home.

    23. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

      this. my old ass blu-ray players netflix app is way better than the rokus, a little slower but many more sub-genres.

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    24. Re:Hopefully They'll Get a New GUI Now by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      For some, the Tivo is quite expensive for what they want. I agree however, the Tivo interface hooked to Amazon and Netflix is a great user experience, but I don't see many people spending $1k (Tivo Roamio with lifetime subscription) to watch Netflix. I do however love that I have my OnePasses setup for the shows I like, and can click on unrecorded episodes and get forwarded directly into Netflix or Amazon to watch the episode I missed.

      The Tivo Suggestions usually contain a few gems as well, I have added shows to my OnePass just from that before.

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  3. Interesting. by adolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So now, it might now make more sense to get a month of Prime for $10.99 instead of pay for 2-day shipping on a single order.

    Which might be perfect for me. I've had Prime before but I don't order from Amazon enough to care about paying for it by the year. When I do order from them it tends to be many small orders all lumped within a week or two as I gather the parts for some project or other.

    And if it comes with some streaming stuff, I guess I'm OK with that, although I've been paying for Netflix for so many years I don't even think about it anymore.

    1. Re:Interesting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a month of Prime for $10.99 instead of pay for 2-day shipping

      that was exactly what i was thinking when i first read tfa. and i suspect there will be a lot of 1-and-done subscribers to prime for this very reason.

  4. Argghh, split content by RichMan · · Score: 1

    I hate that the content is getting split between all these providers. I do see my solution as a couple on months on one then cancel and switch to the next one. Just need to subscribe to each one once a year to accesses the latest season of whatever.

    Of course they can come up with solutions to mess over frequent switchers.

    1. Re:Argghh, split content by CodeArtisan · · Score: 2

      I hate that the content is getting split between all these providers. I do see my solution as a couple on months on one then cancel and switch to the next one. Just need to subscribe to each one once a year to accesses the latest season of whatever.

      Of course they can come up with solutions to mess over frequent switchers.

      Don't worry. In 5 years time these fragmented providers will merge into one or two mega companies and start charging cable company prices again. Amazoncast and Netfinity anyone?

    2. Re:Argghh, split content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to get my "instant gratification" from the video store.

      Cue the "buggy whip manufacturer" comments.

    3. Re:Argghh, split content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it is annoying.

      Look at what was being discussed just last week on how piracy was increasing because music exclusiveness on different online stores.
      The same issue is facing these video services.
      A lot will sub to one, then pirate the others.

      What I wouldn't mind is if there were micro-payments for exclusive content on other services, or exclusive content was merely extra content stuff.
      What I definitely do not want is One Service To Rule Them All tier nonsense.

  5. not worth it by foradoxium · · Score: 2

    I view amazon prime video as an added bonus to my prime membership, not a primary feature..

    The amount of video's that are not included in prime video makes it extremely unreliable in a sense of "lets watch a family movie tonight!"

    All of the Video Streaming services need to get better. If music subscription based services worked like video did, everyone would be back to pirating. With Music subscriptions you get 100% of the library, not a subset of their chosen flavor of the month.

    1. Re:not worth it by elvesrus · · Score: 1

      Just a quick example, but try finding the whole Taylor Swift library on the different services.

    2. Re:not worth it by rwise2112 · · Score: 1

      Just a quick example, but try finding the whole Taylor Swift library on the different services.

      Umm. He said 'music'!

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    3. Re:not worth it by elvesrus · · Score: 1

      I'm with you on that, but some actually think it is.

    4. Re:not worth it by adolf · · Score: 1

      We don't incorporate "those" into our summaries.

    5. Re:not worth it by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      The issue is just as much with music services:

      https://entertainment.slashdot...

      For music it might not matter as much though unless you care about the latest single. Was "Sound of Silence" by Disturbed exclusive on a service? Would you care?

      I use the Amazon Prime Music in the car, and was happy enough with it to cancel my Pandora subscription, but I wouldn't much care of someone's latest song wasn't on the service, as it would get there eventually, and I have so much I can listen to, it doesn't matter.

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    6. Re:not worth it by tattood · · Score: 1

      All of the Video Streaming services need to get better. If music subscription based services worked like video did, everyone would be back to pirating. With Music subscriptions you get 100% of the library, not a subset of their chosen flavor of the month.

      That's a problem with the movie studios, not the streaming providers. The movie and television studios are charging higher and higher prices for streaming providers to access their content, that the providers can't afford to pay for them all. That is why all of the providers (Netflix, Amazon, Hulu) are resorting to making their own movies and shows so that they don't have to pay any royalties.

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  6. How about by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    If Amazon offered Prime video service for Android TV systems?

    And $107.88 for monthly vs $99 for a year of Amazon Prime? It's like buy 11, get the 12th month free.

    1. Re:How about by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Buy 11 months and get the twelfth month AND two-day shipping for free. This isn't just a bit more expensive. It's a lot more expensive—more than 30% more expensive when you compare month-to-month (full) Prime versus annual. As a result, the people who can least afford Prime are the ones who end up paying more. For shame, Amazon.

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    2. Re:How about by Goose+In+Orbit · · Score: 1

      That's always been the way with annual vs monthly hasn't it? Pay a premium for the "convenience" of smaller multiple payments...

    3. Re:How about by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If Amazon offered Prime video service for Android TV systems?

      Uh, yeah. The past called, it wants you to know that they have literally always done that. What they used to not do was let you use the Prime video app on arbitrary Android systems, and to be fair, not every "Android TV" product was supported... just the popular USDM ones. But now, you can watch Prime video on pretty much any Android device with a proper video driver.

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    4. Re: How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great! Now I can watch it on my ShieldTV... Ohh no I still can't.

    5. Re: How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he did say "any android device with a proper video driver", not "any piece of proprietary garbage you choose to buy"

    6. Re:How about by Krojack · · Score: 1

      I would consider the service if they added Google Cast (Chromecast) support. I'm not buying another device to plug into my TV for a single service.

    7. Re:How about by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Not that big a premium..... At that rate, people who can barely afford it would be considerably better off putting it on a credit card even if they have failed to pay their bills and are facing a borderline extortionate 30% credit card APR. The usual and customary cost difference for monthly billing is more on the order of 3-5%.

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  7. Dear Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody wants to use your video service because of your insistence of making it only compatible with your own hardware. Netflix works anywhere. Which video service would you choose? The established one that's been around for years and works with most devices or the upstart who limits your availability on how you can watch? If you want your service to be successful you have to give people a reason to want to use it.

    1. Re:Dear Amazon by fsagx · · Score: 2

      I've got amazon video on my ipad and a galaxy tab and my phone. It works pretty much anywhere.

    2. Re: Dear Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try and cast amazon content to an apple TV or chromecast...

    3. Re: Dear Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No thanks. I'll use my Roku for Amazon and Netflix.

    4. Re:Dear Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never had problems with TiVo.

  8. Other discounts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Now if only Amazon would sell me its 2 day delivery service without all the bundled streaming stuff.

    Id happily pay.. $79 for it!

    1. Re:Other discounts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now if only Amazon would sell me its 2 day delivery service without all the bundled streaming stuff.

      Id happily pay.. $79 for it!

      I'm totally with you on this. The extra stuff is worth exactly nothing to me. They keep emailing me about my free kindle book that I'm entitled to with prime. Too bad it's nothing but crappy fiction novels (mostly romance) I have no interest it.
      Of course, I do get access to the video selection where you have to pay for pretty much everything - even things Netflix has already.

  9. Race to the bottom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Weird, because I thought Amazon Prime was a better deal than Netflix because you also got free music and free shipping. Something Netflix can't compete on.

    But here's how these price wars will play out. Everyone will race to the bottom, and instead of getting a content library that covers the widest possible space, these companies will each try to license the same key content, plus work out a few exclusive deals, plus produce their own contents. The end result is we will all have to subscribe to four or five different services to see the things we want to see.

    This is no different than cable TV back in the old days (80s & 90s), where you had basic cable which was a dozen channels, less if you don't count the rebroadcasting of all the local channels, and extended cable for another dozen channels. Then you had all the premium channels where you had to send $5-10 each to Showtime, HBO, Cinemax, whatever. Eventually cable companies were able to repackage these premium channels into bundles, forcing us to buy them even if we didn't want them. But in a way that bundling was cheaper than buying separately if wanted two or three of the premium channels anyways.

    History repeats itself I guess. Maybe one day Google will figure out how to give us free TV again through ad revenue. (Cinemax/MAX GO should move over to Youtube)

  10. Doesn't Netflix use AWS? by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 1

    Amazon Web Services. We can help you do cool and important things. At least until Jeff Bezos becomes aware that you're doing cool and important things. Then, fuck you, you're going down.

    1. Re:Doesn't Netflix use AWS? by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      Amazon Web Services. We can help you do cool and important things. At least until Jeff Bezos becomes aware that you're doing cool and important things...

      Had to check (conflict of interest and all),and sure enough if they aren't using AWS they are on Google https://www.robtex.net/?dns=ne...

      Yet the way I see it is Netflix is an edge server, they have different standards to follow; the Net neutrality act exempts edged servers from traffic shaping.

      Yet a Bill pasted in 2015, pretty much addresses any feuding between the two. "Online Competition and Consumer Choice Act" does address edge servers. "would require the commission to issue regulations that "prohibit a broadband provider from entering into an agreement with an edge provider under which the broadband provider agrees, for consideration, in transmitting network traffic over the broadband Internet access service of an end user, to give preferential treatment or priority to the traffic of such edge provider over the traffic of other edge providers."" http://arstechnica.com/tech-po...

        This could get good.

  11. Amazon Prime is a Rip Off in Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They charge the full US Price plus exchange costs on the credit card $149 Canadian and there is no Video Service. I Cancelled before the 1 month trial period and still got billed for the year. Had to waste an hour on the phone with support to get it cancelled.

    Canadians be warned.

  12. this is for Amazon haters who are bad at math only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $99/12 = $8.25/month for Prime including Video

    Video alone is $8.99/month

    This is only for people who want to insist that they really don't use Amazon and don't need prime, and are bad at math so they don't realize they are paying more to get less.

  13. No amazon video on tablet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cant just open up the amazon webpage in my tablet, no i have to use their app.
    And its not the amazon app, or the kindle app, its yet another app.
    And you cant get it from google play, you have to download the apk or whatever off of their website, bypassing all sorts of warnings & such.

    I fiddled with it for an hour or so & went back to watching netflix.

  14. Christmas shopping - direct delivery by raymorris · · Score: 1

    We use Amazon a lot for Christmas shopping. If we purchase from local brick and mortar stores we still have to pay shipping to send gifts to relatives, and pack other gifts in the car. Having them shipped direct to the recipient makes sense, so we use Amazon for that and each year we calculate whether $99 for "free" shipping makes sense. If we could pay about $10 for one month of free shipping, that would be a good deal to ship all of our Christmas presents.

    1. Re:Christmas shopping - direct delivery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this sort of thing happens, I wouldn't be surprised if they change it to three-month periods instead. Or perhaps putting a restricting on October, November, and December for new one-month customers only.

      I'd be concerned about potential binge-watchers... those who only get it for a month to watch certain shows.

  15. What I want by rossdee · · Score: 1

    So now can I have a (cheaper) Prime Shipping subscription without the video and music streaming?

    r pay the same price as before and get free kindle unlimited instead of the video streaming

  16. That would be great if ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be nice if there was anything worth watching on Prime. EVERY movie I have searched for is not available in Prime Video and I am not talking about the latest movies either. Then to top it off, free 2 day shipping does not mean 2 day shipping. It means they will ship it when they are good and ready to do it. I have had multiple instances where I have ordered items on a Monday morning and it doesn't even ship until Friday, then takes till Tuesday or Wednesday to deliver. Contact Amazon through their chat and be told that I should have chosen 2 Day Shipping. Explain that it was a Prime order, with the Free 2 Day Shipping checked and they say, "Well, that doesn't mean it will actually ship in 2 days." No "Hey, we're sorry, someone dropped the ball. We will get that shipped as soon as possible" or anything. Just a bunch of, you should have done it this way or that way. Ask them what exactly I am paying for and they say, get this, "Free 2 Day Shipping and preferred customer status." LOL

    Needless to say, I am not a Prime customer anymore.

    1. Re:That would be great if ... by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      It would be nice if there was anything worth watching on Prime. EVERY movie I have searched for is not available in Prime Video and I am not talking about the latest movies either. Then to top it off, free 2 day shipping does not mean 2 day shipping. It means they will ship it when they are good and ready to do it.

      Also don't forget that most tv series on prime are: First season is free streaming, then you pay per episode for the rest of the seasons.

      Fuck you prime.

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  17. Chromecast support by dynamo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This might be cool if Amazon would bother to put in Chromecast support, no one is stopping them. Hulu, Netflix, CBS, HBO, and many other streaming vendors have managed to do it. Without that they are nowhere near worth paying for.

    1. Re:Chromecast support by Hrrrg · · Score: 1

      I don't really care about Chromecast Support. I bought the Fire TV and liked it so much I bought 2 more and canceled my cable subscription*. The voice search works great. Lots of good content. An it even has a VLC app that has network support so you can use the Fire TV to stream your local audio and video files!**

      *Obviously, there's a lot of content on cable that you won't get with the Fire TV, but it's enough for me.
      **I've had trouble watching some .mkv files with the VLC app. I think there may be an upper limit on file size? i.e. 2 GB?

    2. Re:Chromecast support by Rob_Bryerton · · Score: 1

      Amazon does not allow Chromecast or AppleTV devices to be sold on their site, so don't hold your breath. Of course, there is no official word on this policy, but go ahead and try to find either device on Amazon.

      You'll just find the craptastic Fire, and a selection of off-brand Chinese stuff...

      Pretty shady move, Amazon.

    3. Re:Chromecast support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lack of Chromecast support was the reason I canceled my Prime membership.

    4. Re:Chromecast support by Pulzar · · Score: 1

      You'll just find the craptastic Fire

      Why craptastic? It's very snappy, voice search actually works great, it has 4k output... I've been very happy with it.

      The only thing that it lacks (for me) is a youtube app, for watching google play stuff.

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    5. Re:Chromecast support by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      They really want to sell their own exclusive service though, with their own streaming device. Basically all the streaming devices are nearly identical anyway, Apple and Amazon only compete based upon offering exclusive support for their own services (Apple was first, but it sort of languished early on letting others catch up and pass it by). Chromecast competes by being dirt cheap and letting your phone do most of the work. Roku competes as the do everything in one place device.

      I'm hoping in the future that the market clears up and becomes more logical (ha, pipe dreams) instead of everyone trying to be the same thing and have the same content.

    6. Re:Chromecast support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not just cast the tab or screen mirror from a droid phone?

    7. Re:Chromecast support by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It would be nice if they bothered to add smart TV support to more models. Netflix is on just about every smart TV ever made, next to YouTube and in the UK iPlayer. But Amazon isn't available on my 2012 Panasonic or on Kodi. I suppose I could shell out for an Amazon dongle, but why bother?

      Maybe they are banking on Clarkson to get people to buy the hardware and subscribe.

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    8. Re:Chromecast support by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Rather than getting a smart TV, and having to replace the entire TV to protect myself from security vulnerabilities in the future, or have to worry about whether it has a webcam watching and listening to me and sending data home, I bought an Amazon Fire stick. It is by far the cheapest way to get the functionality (including a remote) and supports both Netflix and Amazon, among others, not to mention that you can sideload whatever you like, including Kodi — which I have installed. That's why. Of course, you have to make the intelligent decision not to get a so-called "smart TV" to begin with in order for this to make so much sense.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    9. Re:Chromecast support by mackil · · Score: 1

      This might be cool if Amazon would bother to put in Chromecast support, no one is stopping them. Hulu, Netflix, CBS, HBO, and many other streaming vendors have managed to do it. Without that they are nowhere near worth paying for.

      I totally agree. Lack of Chromecast support is very annoying. I ended up buying a Firestick when it was on sale, and have both my Chromecast and Firestick plugged into my HDMI switcher. That way I can control both with my phone. One more step but it makes the best of a bad situation.

    10. Re:Chromecast support by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I looked at the Fire Stick but decided not to bother. The TV is a plasma, the smart features are just a nice extra but it has to be said that I watch quite a lot of Netflix and YouTube with them. There are no security issues with this model and Panasonic seem to have a good track record (the OS is based on NetBSD and they use proper HTTPS connections for everything, I checked).

      I also have a Raspberry Pi running Kodi.

      When I bought this TV you couldn't buy a good plasma without smart features, and nowadays it's pretty hard to buy any TV over about 28" without smart features. I don't mind them, they are useful and you can just ignore them if you don't want them. The only thing I really object to are services you can't disable (mine has a DLNA server but you can turn it off, and it closes the firewall port behind itself) and sensors (camera/microphone).

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    11. Re:Chromecast support by Geeky · · Score: 1

      It's not necessarily possible for that to be an intelligent decision - most TVs now have some smart features, so you'll often have them whether you want them or not. My TV has apps. It also does 3D. I don't want 3D, but the cheaper ones didn't have other features I wanted or a good enough picture. It's Panasonic, though, which doesn't have a great range of apps

      When it came time to replace my ancient DVD player I bought a cheapish smart Samsung Blu-ray player. There's an Amazon Prime app for it, as well as all the usual suspects. Samsung seems to have the best range of apps - most of the others seem to have different subsets. Roku have decent apps as well, if you don't want or need DVD/Blu-ray - including a dedicated Google Play app separate to the Youtube one (so you don't have to sign in to Youtube!)

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      Sigs are so 1990s. No way would I be seen dead with one.
    12. Re:Chromecast support by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It's not necessarily possible for that to be an intelligent decision - most TVs now have some smart features, so you'll often have them whether you want them or not. My TV has apps.

      What a drag. That's really terrible. I admit it was a while ago when I bought my TV, but it's moderately fancy (a 52" AQUOS... sadly, from just before they went to LED backlighting) and while smart TVs were not exactly scarce at the time, they were easy enough to avoid.

      I don't want logic bombs hiding in my TV

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    13. Re:Chromecast support by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      I bought a chromecast from Amazon afew years ago...

    14. Re:Chromecast support by b0bby · · Score: 1

      I got the Fire Stick too, and I think it compares well to my Roku. I will admit that I'm not too picky about my TV though, I just bought a cheap one with decent reviews and no smart features. If the Fire Stick gets annoying, I can always hook something else up. I just watch some Netflix, Plex, and some of the Amazon stuff like the New Yorker.

    15. Re:Chromecast support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon HATES Chromecast. They view Google as their competition and they do everything they can to make it difficult to view video and music content outside of their ecosystem.

  18. 5% Discount on all purchases is why you buy Prime! by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

    Many people miss this in the cluttered Amazon web site, however if you're a Prime member and you sign up for an Amazon Store Credit Card, you get 5% back on almost everything you buy.

    Spend $2,000 in a year and Prime becomes free then...

    It really isn't hard to spend $2,000 a year on Amazon. Between Amazon PrimePantry, Subscribe and Save, computer stuff, games, etc. it adds up really fast.

    We also have an Amazon Echo, and Alexa plays free streaming music, almost anything you can imagine asking for is there. My Dad visited two weeks ago and when I introduced him to Alexa, he thought she was kinda stupid, until I said, "Dad, she'll play you music for free", and he said "yea right, lets hear some Willie Nelson", so I said, "Alexa, play Willie Nelson", and she promptly started playing songs. I pointed out to him that I do not and have never owned anything by him. He was impressed...

    30 days of free Prime
    http://amzn.to/1U3RCwJ

    Amazon Store Card - 5% back
    http://amzn.to/1rcXZ5W

  19. Re:5% Discount on all purchases is why you buy Pri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since it's not hard for you to spend $2000/yr on Amazon, could you send me a bag or two of your excess money?

  20. Re:5% Discount on all purchases is why you buy Pri by gumbi+west · · Score: 1

    You will have to send back off brand USB cables and chargers that fry your phone--2 day shipping, please.

  21. Dump people will sign up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At $9 a month, that is $108 a year for just video .... while Prime is $99 a year for video + 2 day shipping.

    Even if you don't buy a lot at Amazon, it would be just plain dumb to pay $9 more for less.

  22. Waiting for the bandwidth delivery drone. by John.Banister · · Score: 1

    Two day shipping on streaming video content isn't working for me.

  23. Did Amazon improve their Prime video selection? by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

    I've done the Prime trial a few times and was never impressed by their video selection.

    1. Re:Did Amazon improve their Prime video selection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Improved? Sure. They added a movie or two. But the available library SUCKS ASS JUST LIKE NETFLIX. Literally nothing but antique junk. C grade movies and utter crap.

      They also charge $15 to rent any decent movie that you might actually want to watch. Meanwhile, that same movie is available at RedBox for $2 BluRay!

  24. You still have to pay for much of Amazon's content by rklrkl · · Score: 1

    What riles me about Amazon's Prime Video service is that not only do you have to pay a subscription, but quite often there's a charge for content too, which Netflix doesn't do. A random example - the 15-year-old season 1 of "Six Feet Under" costs 14.99 pounds ($22 or so) from Amazon Prime Video in the UK...and it's only in SD too!

    I tried the video service as part of a 30-day free Prime trial and I was deeply, deeply unimpressed with it - not enough free content as I said and a limited content range overall too. Their original content isn't as good as Netflix's either - it simply isn't a service worth purchasing and adds very little to the overall Prime package, IMHO.

  25. All they need now is contents by Syberz · · Score: 2

    I've browsed Prime Video since I got it for free with my Prime subscription and frankly, it's lackluster.

    They have a few cool original shows but there's way too much contents that you have to purchase, sorry... rent, on top of your subscription to actually watch. They have a pretty huge library but I need to pay extra for most of it and I'm not only talking about current seasons, a lot of old stuff needs to be paid for as well.

    If I'd be paying 8.99$/month I would expect access to the whole catalog, not 1/3 of it.

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    ~Syberz
  26. Starting today Amazon takes advantage ... by oshkrozz · · Score: 2

    Of people with no math skills ... or ability to save.
    You can get amazon prime, free shipping, discounts AND streaming for $8.25/month .... with one lump sum or pay significantly more by paying per month of a low rate of 10.99 ....
    But 10.99 is less then 99.00 so it is such a great deal :)

  27. Re:5% Discount on all purchases is why you buy Pri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Awesome, but I already beat 5% without their credit card. Pretty much every year, Chase Freedom has 5% cash back on amazon (for up to $1500 spending), except depending on how you use the points you can actually get better than 5%. So I generally buy $1500 gift cards then. This year Discover also had the 5% back on $1500, except that new cardholders get double cash back for a year. So I bought $3000 worth (my wife also has a discover card with the same offer) and got 10% cash back on it. Every year I get offers from American Express...spend $75 at amazon and get $15 back, or something like that. The discount usually ranges between 20-30% cash back. I've got multiple American Express cards, so I stock up Amazon gift cards when I get those. When it's all said and done, I have more opportunities to buy Amazon gift cards than I actually can utilize, and all are at better than 5% cash back.

    Also, even without jumping through the hoops I do, nobody should be getting 0% cash back from their credit card. 1% cash back cards are a-dime-a-dozen, and everybody should have access to one of those. Even 2 percent isn't hard...citi double cash, fidelity amex, now fidelity visa. And that 2% is good everywhere...so everyone should get one of those cards. So really your premium for the amazon 5% card is just 3%. So you really need to spend $3333 at amazon for the prime to break even.

  28. Re:5% Discount on all purchases is why you buy Pri by Hrrrg · · Score: 1

    I looked at that credit card. However, if you read the reviews, people are saying that if you don't carry a balance, then, at some point, they are going to drop your credit limit to just above your balance for that month. This results in you having a maxed-out credit card and tanks your credit score. No thanks.

  29. Re:5% Discount on all purchases is why you buy Pri by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

    Pretty much every year, Chase Freedom has 5% cash back on amazon (for up to $1500 spending)

    That is a good deal, people should of course do that if Chase likes them. :)

    This year Discover also had the 5% back on $1500, except that new cardholders get double cash back for a year.

    My wife has one of those, we use it for sure. The thing is, all those spending limits are annoying. If you buy a lot of stuff, like we do, the 5% unlimited is rather nice.

    Also, even without jumping through the hoops I do, nobody should be getting 0% cash back from their credit card. 1% cash back cards are a-dime-a-dozen, and everybody should have access to one of those. Even 2 percent isn't hard...citi double cash, fidelity amex, now fidelity visa. And that 2% is good everywhere...so everyone should get one of those cards. So really your premium for the amazon 5% card is just 3%. So you really need to spend $3333 at amazon for the prime to break even.

    That is all true...

    Of course, the $3,333 to "break even" assumes that you place no value on Prime itself. Between the movies and music, the free shipping, etc. we paid for it before the 5%. :)

    We seriously buy EVERYTHING from them, including the kitchen sink:

    Moen Double Sink - Stainless Steel - $100:
    http://amzn.to/1VBjsS4

    15 foot Trampoline - $330
    http://amzn.to/23IfR9C

    Bounty Paper Towels - $25
    http://amzn.to/1VBkgq1

    Women's Sunny Riding Boots - $35
    http://amzn.to/1pemQUT

    We hardly have to buy anything, anywhere else. Only fresh and frozen groceries, otherwise it all comes from Amazon.

  30. Re:5% Discount on all purchases is why you buy Pri by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

    I looked at that credit card. However, if you read the reviews, people are saying that if you don't carry a balance, then, at some point, they are going to drop your credit limit to just above your balance for that month. This results in you having a maxed-out credit card and tanks your credit score. No thanks.

    I imagine that many people are poor at paying on time, so over time their credit limit gets lowered rather than raised.

    Then they complain because it must be someone else's fault. The irony of course is that their complaints make no sense. If they don't carry a balance, then the limit would go to zero. Instead they complain that the limit is lowered to the balance. That they claim they don't carry.

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    I got my Store Card a year ago, when they launched the 5% back (March 15, 2015). I started off with a $2,000 limit, which after 3 months and a request was raised to $4,000. About 6 months after that, they raised it to $6,000 without my asking. Two weeks ago, it was raised again, to $17,000.

    I never carry a balance, it is paid in full each month. Actually more so, since a few months last year I spent more than the credit limit and had to make extra payments. I pay no interest and get a ton of money back.

    If you pay in full each month, then your concerns are moot, since you have no balance to have the limit lowered to. More likely you'll end up with a huge limit. :)

  31. Amazon Sucks For Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am a Prime member, but never watch Amazon because they specifically prevent viewing their service with anything but their approved devices. Used to watch it when I could legally do so with XMBC. They fucked over XMBC users. Not really watched them since.

    1. Re:Amazon Sucks For Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry but the XMBC issue has nothing to do with Amazon and everything to do with the poor coders at XMBC. They are the people who screwed up the app, not Amazon.

  32. Same price as Netflix.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having had Amazon streaming from its introduction until I didn't renew my last annual a few months back, I have to say there is no real competition between Netflix and Amazon streaming.
    Amazon gets almost 0 new stuff and the new stuff they get tends to show up on Netflix at the same time. Amazon shows tend to be terrible. Their exclusives tend to also be less than good, Under the Dumb, Failing Skies, and other horrible trash what was written presumably by special needs dogs who were strung out on glue and pain huffing.
    Add onto that their horrifically painful menu and general viewing experience, and you have to wonder what they are thinking.
    If Amazon wants to sell its streaming for 2$/mo then maybe but at the same price as Netflix, that is just laughable.
    I suppose they can sell you 1 month a year when you binge all the decent new content then drop again for a year.

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  34. Big deal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a Prime account but unfortunately since Amazon doesn't want their video app running on any Android devices except for a select few it doesn't do me any good. I have Google Nexus Player boxes and LG phones. Since they don't support Chromecast either I can't even use that option.

    1. Re:Big deal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forgot to mention my Vizio TVs have the Prime app on them but Amazon disabled them so they can't actually connect anymore.