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Senate Passes Bipartisan Energy Bill To Develop New Technologies, Improve Cybersecurity (washingtonpost.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Washington Post: The U.S. Senate acted in a bipartisan fashion to pass a sweeping energy bill, touching on everything from cybersecurity for power plants to the future of the grid. The bill resulted from collaboration between Alaska Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski and Washington Democratic Sen. Maria Cantwell. The bill, if it merges with House legislation and becomes law, would unleash billions in research and development on new energy technologies, including energy storage, hydrokinetic and marine energy and advancing the electric grid. Many of these initiatives have substantial aisle-crossing appeal, and some could, at least indirectly, help address the problem of climate change. The bill also reauthorizes the Land and Water Conservation Fund, and contains provisions promoting more research on the sequestering of carbon emissions from coal burning and hastening the approval of pipelines and liquefied natural gas exports. The bill, said Alliance to Save Energy president Kateri Callahan, "not only saves homeowners and businesses money and creates jobs, but it also has a huge environmental return by avoiding 1.5 billion tons of carbon emissions. Energy efficiency truly is a win-win-win for our country, making our economy more energy productive, protecting our environment and enhancing our energy security."

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  1. What's the catch? by suupaabaka · · Score: 1

    Which oligarch comes out on top with this bill? I mean, it's talking about "job creation", so it stands to reason that someone profits massively, right?

    And yes, I am a disillusioned foreign observer of American politics.

    1. Re:What's the catch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me, C. Montgomery Burns, because I, as America's most trusted man, will take the 10,000,000,000 dollar bill and fly to Cuba.

    2. Re:What's the catch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From TFA:

      provisions promoting more research on the sequestering of carbon emissions from coal burning

      So we got both some corporate welfare for the coal burners who are feeling some hurt just now, plus giving them a marketing boost so they can tell people "hey, it's clean now, let us keep burning it".

      And:

      hastening the approval of pipelines and liquefied natural gas exports

      And giving yet more breaks to the existing energy players. Do take special note of "exports". All the so-called gasoline shortages we've had in the last decade or so have actually been surpluses. However, because places like India and China are willing to pay more than the refineries can get for it here, they exported the surplus and then some.

      Results? They made more money from the foreign markets, then made more domestically as well because prices rose due to the artificial scarcity. It was a win-win for the big guys, and it screwed everybody else, and let's face it... that's a part of their motivation as well (if you're ever unlucky enough to have a conversation with one of the bastards in the top executive ranks of these companies, it won't be long before you discover this one). Now that that gravy train seems to have fallen off the tracks, it looks like the natural gas glut which is keeping its prices so low is about to go the same route.

      And for those who say it's just good business, fuck you. This country is circling the drain both economically and culturally, and the number one cause is the greed of people for whom too much is never enough. If these companies and their investors want to rape America's wilderness to line their pockets, the least they can do is let the American people be the primary beneficiaries, even if it does knock a few tenths of a percentage point off their profits.

    3. Re:What's the catch? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      We must continue to subsdiz... er, I mean encourage fossil fuel use, because, you know, it's what Jesus and George Washington would want! Remember folks, billionaires need lots of money so they can be protected from the effects of the products they produce.

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  2. Sad to see the Democrats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fold to the Republicans again.

    1. Re: Sad to see the Democrats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cuntwell is a DINO so she has always stood for corporate welfare. Everyone I know here in Seattle hates her.

    2. Re:Sad to see the Democrats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps they more the same than you think

    3. Re: Sad to see the Democrats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cuntwell is a DINO so she has always stood for corporate welfare. Everyone I know here in Seattle hates her.

      Indeed. I heard from a staffer that she's known as Cuntwell even by her own staff. She may or may not be aware of this. She's not a nice person at all.

  3. Go team! by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Funny

    The future is now, and simple "win-win" strategies are no longer good enough! We're only going to accept 110%... no make that 120% effort and "win-win-win" results. Of course, if other countries adopt "win-win-win-win" strategies, rest assured we'll be looking at future "win-win-win-win-win" initiatives even more closely. Energy bill bipartisanship FTWWW!

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    1. Re:Go team! by suupaabaka · · Score: 1

      It's gunna be YUGE.

    2. Re:Go team! by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      The only bipartisanship you ever see is when they finally sign a bill and everybody says, 'Gee, isn't that wonderful?

      - Colin Powell

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      Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
    3. Re:Go team! by jandersen · · Score: 2

      Yeah - we're going to turn this country around 360 degrees!!

    4. Re:Go team! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does the win nob go up to 11?

  4. Corrected Headline: by packrat0x · · Score: 3, Insightful

    US Senate passes bill creating a slush fund for campaign contributors.

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    1. Re:Corrected Headline: by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      "Who let the hogs out . . . ?"

      "Oink . . . oink, oink oink oink oink, oink oink oink, oink, oink oink oink oink oink, oink oink oink oink . . . etc . . .

      If it walks like a pork, talks like a pork, and tastes like pork barbecued pork . . . well . . . this bill looks like pork to me.

      The only question remains for the folks from North Carolina and Texas . . . who has the best barbecue . . . ?

      A question that is guaranteed to be more interesting than Live Full Nude Sex Show Mud-wrestling . . . or an Emacs vs. Vi debate . . .

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    2. Re:Corrected Headline: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair they don't even bbq the same animal. NC its all about he pig, in Texas its all about the cow. So it really comes down to "are you a beef person or a pork person?".

      That being said, I wasn't impressed by NC's cooking in general. They have no clue when it comes to brisket, and I hate 'slaw....which they put on everything out there. I remember getting some "award winning" new brunswick stew and thought it tasted like canned dog food (or what I imagine dog food tastes like).

    3. Re: Corrected Headline: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's an unforgivable insult to...dog food.

    4. Re:Corrected Headline: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is exporting natural gas a win-win-win for creating energy self-sufficiency?

      It's just depletion of our energy resources more quickly.

      But if it says it does create our self-sufficiency, then it must be true.

    5. Re:Corrected Headline: by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      A bipartisan slush fund!

  5. And yet, no mention of Thorium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Overly strict thorium regulations are the reason why America is losing jobs to China. It's found where rare earth materials like neodymium and dysprosium are found, and so it hampers US mining. Thorium reactors are far safer than uranium reactors, they don't have a pressure vessel to explode, and shut themselves down if they overheat or lose power. Thorium salt reactors can reduce nuclear waste by using it as fuel. You can't manufacture wind generators, cars, smartphones, solar pannels, etc. unless you have access to rare earth minerals. China has a corner on the MFG market because it allows rare earth mining and is building Thorium reactors... They'll have all the patents on the tech if we don't step up our game.

    Thorium is wrongly classified as a source material for making nuclear bombs: It's not a source material or we'd have made bombs out of Thorium instead of plutonium and uranium. The old rickety uranium nuclear reactors are more dangerous because they operate under pressure, they only use 5% of a fuel rod, but they were built because we needed the enriched uranium to make nuclear weapons.

    We need to have thorium reactors.

    1. Re: And yet, no mention of Thorium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thorium isn't going to happen. Fusion is not going to happen, either. Get over it, the free ride is over. Now we should expect it to turn ugly as soon as renewables turn out to be not up to it and unsustainable for the current population...

    2. Re: And yet, no mention of Thorium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just yesterday there was a piece of news that said India's energy head said solar is cheaper than coal.

    3. Re:And yet, no mention of Thorium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm currently studying nuclear engineering and I did so because thorium sounded absolutely awesome. However, the more I learn about it, the less convinced I am and, indeed, I begin to think that the support for thorium does nothing but harm nuclear as it currently stands. Hence, I want to dispel some thorium myths:

      First off: thorium is a fertile nuclide meaning that it must absorb a neutron to become U-233 which can be split in a reactor. This means that any reactor which uses thorium as a fuel requires a starter core of either uranium or plutonium. This is pretty damn inconvenient with current reactors and means that your fuel cycle is going to be rather complicated - at the very least there will need to be a dramatic overhaul from anything like what has come before!

      The solution commonly proposed to this by thorium evangelists is using thorium fuel dissolved in a molten salt and starting your reactor off with some uranium but then feeding thorium in - which is feasibly if you have nuclear fuel flowing into the reactor like diesel into your car engine. However, this means that to keep it running, you need to have an on-line reprocessing plant attached to your nuclear plant. If that's not complicated enough, you have to deal with a very aggressive salt mixture in which your fuel is dissolved, posing plenty of materials challenges.

      One of the worst of these challenges is that front runners for this salt (a fluorine-lithium-beryllium mixture) generates tritium. These LFTRs are supposed to operate at relatively high temperatures for nuclear reactors and that results in tritium diffusing. Sadly, tritium is one of the more irritating isotopes to come out of nuclear plants and so, shortly after you switch this reactor on, the whole place becomes radiologically contaminated.

      Furthermore, LFTRs can in principle burn nasty wastes. This is true but fast neutron reactors (i.e., molten sodium-cooled, plutonium/uranium fuelled reactors as have been prototyped around the world) can do so much more efficiently and actually are damn close to actually being rolled out... Relative to other novel reactor concepts anyway. These reactors, because of their molten sodium coolant have very similar safety characteristics to LFTR because they can operate at atmospheric temperatures.

      Finally, despite what thorium advocates may claim, yes, you can use thorium to make weapons. That U-233 which thorium generates will work great in a bomb, the only problem is separating it from some of the strong gamma-emitting isotopes that come with it. However, the technology already exists to do so in other industries and most proliferation experts do not currently seem to favour the characteristics of a thorium cycle over uranium in terms of proliferation.

      I think thorium is interesting and I would love to see a reactor made using it, but people tout it as the solution to problems the nuclear industry doesn't have. By all means, advocate thorium, but do it aware of the facts and without trampling on nuclear as it stands.

  6. Data Centers by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I bothered myself to take a look for various reasons. It had a section on data centers. I swear I have never seen a more buzzword filled paragraph ever. It even had a section on "reducing water usage in data centers" that went on. Clearly they didn't get that data centers get cooler and more efficient by THEIRSELVES.

  7. Something is wrong with the headline... by sconeu · · Score: 1

    "Senate Passes Bipartisan Energy Bill"

    Wait... the Senate can do something bipartisan???? I thought that wasn't allowed anymore!

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    1. Re:Something is wrong with the headline... by hguorbray · · Score: 1

      Given that they all have incumbency in common and may have 2 relatively unpopular presidential candidates reducing party participation in the upcoming fall election I think they decided that 3 1/2 years of absolute gridlock needed to be offset late in the game to give the illusion that they are capable of doing something/anything....

      Banking on the short attention span of the US public...in order to keep from being voted out. Although honestly, it seems that for the past 20 years incumbency has alternated between the 2 parties as each one screws up royally when they have the majority -to the catcalls and obstructionism of the minority.

      I'm just sayin'

    2. Re:Something is wrong with the headline... by will_die · · Score: 1

      They have been passing bipartisan bills for years. The only places that are saying otherwise are the various kook sites that are read by liberals.

  8. Unpossible! Congress is broken! Obama says so! by mpercy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How can a *bi-partisan* bill get passed? Seems impossible given recent descriptions of Congress.

    OTOH, it seems that bi-partisan bills are often pork barrels and little else.

    Rather than a real compromise that tries to incorporate and balance the best ideas of both sides, these sorts of bills seem to just have equal parts of bad ideas with enough funding that almost all players "get something".

    Taxpayers get something too, but it's the pointy end of the stick.

    1. Re:Unpossible! Congress is broken! Obama says so! by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Really? Why did we get the pointy end of the stick? What about this is screwing us?

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    2. Re:Unpossible! Congress is broken! Obama says so! by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      Who do you think is paying for all this, including the regulatory costs? Hint, it ain't coming from the Senator's salaries....

      My sig is quite appropriate for this story.

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      The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
    3. Re:Unpossible! Congress is broken! Obama says so! by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Last time I check, the govs job was to protect America. That is why we have a MILITARY. In addition, to having a military, CONgres and the president, should do as much as possible to AVOID war. And our importing energy leads us to go to all sorts of wars.

      So yeah, they ARE supposed to spend money WISELY. And this bill sounds like it, though I am still looking into the nuke stuff that we need.

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    4. Re:Unpossible! Congress is broken! Obama says so! by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Obama will probably veto it.

  9. Hopefully, they have something for gen IV nuclear by WindBourne · · Score: 2

    Seriously, we need to get these companies going on building small reactors that can burn up nuke waste, and give cheap SAFE energy.

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  10. Senate yes. The house, not so much by WindBourne · · Score: 2

    Seriously, the Senate tends to put partisanship aside. At least for now.
    OTOH, the house does not. And that is why this bill was passed by the senate and not the house.

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  11. THis is the SENATE, not CONgress by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    It remains to be seen if the house will put America first and back something similar.

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    1. Re:THis is the SENATE, not CONgress by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      The House of Reps + Senate = Congress how exactly being 1/2 of Congress is the Senate not Congress?

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    2. Re:THis is the SENATE, not CONgress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using another term that represents the whole in place of the specific term that represents the part that actually did something isn't communication.

    3. Re:THis is the SENATE, not CONgress by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      huh. Let me guess. You are a political 'science', business or liberal arts background. Yes?

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    4. Re:THis is the SENATE, not CONgress by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      From Article I of the Constitution

      All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

      It's known as the vesting clause.

      I just read the constitution, you should too.

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    5. Re:THis is the SENATE, not CONgress by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      I have read it. You should realize that CONgress is the Senate AND the house.
      When it is just 1 of them, then it is just 1 of them. IOW, The Senate is NOT CONgress. Any more than you are the HUMAN RACE. You are a part of the human race.

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    6. Re:THis is the SENATE, not CONgress by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      You are a part of the human race.

      Speak for yourself human.

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  12. pipelines and exports by clovis · · Score: 2

    This bill was about exactly two things:

    hastening the approval of pipelines and liquefied natural gas exports

    Nothing else in that bill matters to our rulers, and nothing else in there will happen.

  13. Cyber by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hahahahahahaha
    Cyber

  14. No nuclear? by blindseer · · Score: 2

    In my mind any energy plan that does not include nuclear power is going to fail. This is especially true if this energy plan includes a desire to reduce carbon output.

    To those of you that claim nuclear power is too dangerous, too expensive, or too much whatever else I say that if this is true then global warming is not a threat. Besides hydro electric power nothing beats nuclear power on safety, price, availability, or reduction in carbon output. If global warming threatens the lives of billions then we can do nuclear power to save them even in the highly unlikely event that means another Chernobyl.

    Wind, solar, and whatever else that is "green" just cannot provide the energy we need. Any reliance on some future technology to make them viable again means that global warming is not a threat. If we can wait 20 years for fusion to come along, meaning we keep burning coal until then, means that global warming is not a threat.

    Since the US Senate has not passed a bill that includes support for nuclear power then they don't seem to believe that global warming is a threat. By "support" I don't mean subsidies, there are other ways to show support besides money. Requiring the US DOE to actually do their job and provide a path free from fossil fuels would be a start.

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    1. Re:No nuclear? by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

      When they talk about energy production, especially about reducing CO2, and refuse to include nuclear in the mix, that tells me all I need to know about them.

      "It would be nothing short of disastrous if we were ever to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy."

      (Cold fusion, back when it looked like it might really exist) "It's like giving a machine gun to a retarded child."

      They are against energy. Energy, full stop. They will oppose any energy source, no matter what its characteristics, if it threatens to produce enough energy to keep industrial civilization powered.

  15. Energy Security Improvements? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How will they improve security by forcing backdoors into encryption?

  16. How many KWH? by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

    How many KWH does bipartisan energy generate?
    Can one assume it is wind-based originating from congressional blowhards?

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    1. Re:How many KWH? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Enough KWh that they are sending you a bill for the power.

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  17. Shovel Ready Jobs by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    The more I listen to members of congress the more I want the stocks brought back. Set up about 30 of them on the Mall and then I'll own the
    rotten tomato concession. When any member of congress or the president fucks up, it's in the stocks for three days getting pelted with rotten tomatoes.

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  18. Why is security lumped in there? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    There must be some freedom-trampling involved, because otherwise why would you bundle "cybersecurity" (ugh) with energy?

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  19. Re: A bit more... Freedom Fries? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you seen what some of these freaks are even *into*? Their graphic descriptions of just what they're going to do to their little pug "as soon as gay marriage is allowed" and all those other threats they make?

    And you want to tie them up and hit them with soft fruit? I SAY NAY! We should not be risking 3 days of some creepy old bastard having orgasms and then going right back to screwing us!
    We use the French approach, that their heads get an off we'll not be forced to shield our children's eyes from!

  20. I would upvote this if i could by Rujiel · · Score: 1

    Anytime a bill is bipartisan, you better believe everyone is getting screwed.