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The 'Impossible' EM Drive Being Tested By NASA May Finally Be Explained (technologyreview.com)

MarkWhittington writes: The EmDrive, the so-called "impossible" space drive that uses no propellant, has roiled the aerospace world for the past several years ever since it was proposed by British aerospace engineer Robert Shawyer. In essence, the claim advanced by Shawyer and others is that if you bounced microwaves in a truncated cone, thrust would be produced out the open end. Most scientists have snorted at the idea, noting correctly that such a thing would violate physical laws. However, organizations as prestigious as NASA have replicated the same results, that prototypes of the EmDrive produces thrust. How does one reconcile the experimental results with the apparent scientific impossibility? MIT Technology Review suggested a reason why.

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  1. Quantized inertia? by Lisandro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We'll eventually find out we really live in a simulation...

    1. Re: Quantized inertia? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We could be running then stopping and running then stopping, and as long as the state was preserved, we'd never know (being part of that state).

      If it turns out that time comes in discrete lumps, this is what is happening all the time anyway.

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    2. Re: Quantized inertia? by SharpFang · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or should we rather say it's happening EACH the time?

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  2. Great summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Great job lets not even try to attempt to summarize the article, instead lets post this like its a trailer for the 11 o'clock news!

  3. Thanks, Summary by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really appreciate the complete lack of even a whiff of the explanation in the summary.

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  4. You mean it could be real? by shawn2772 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was honestly expecting to find an explanation of some subtle source of experimental error that covered it, not a possible theory explaining why it (maybe) works. I'm really looking forward to experimental testing of the improvements predicted by the theory. Who knows? With a decent explanatory theory, it might even be possible to turn it into a practical thruster. That would be awesome.

    1. Re:You mean it could be real? by meerling · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Awesome would be a epic understatement if it actually works and can be scaled up.
      Even if it can't be scaled up, it would be fantastic!
      I'm still worried it's a massive screwup that everybody repeated and nobody has found yet, but seems to be less and less likely. Still...

  5. Re: Hoverboards by hibiki_r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, it cannot mean any of that, because the amount of thrust provided is minimal. Even if you made the engine weightless(which you can't), you'd not be able to get enough thrust to lift anything off the ground.

    The reason this is interesting for space is that in space, even tiny amounts of thirst are useful. Very slow acceleration is still fine, when you are not fighting planet like gravity: You just need to apply thrust for a long time, as opposed to what we do now, which is to turn on far more powerful drives for very short periods of time.

  6. Re:never was complicated by Sique · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Actually, that's all what a theory is about: Declare some events to be impossible. And a theory is better, if it correctly declares more events to be impossible. Imagine how many events are declared impossible just by the theory that brought us the first calendar (way back at least 7000 years, if we interpret the Goseck circle correctly).It declared it impossible for the sun to rise in the West. It declared it impossible to have less than 182 or more than 183 days between two equinoxes. It even declared it impossible to have days shorter than 24 hours.

    A theoretical physicist should go around all the time and say: According to Theory T, this should be impossible!

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