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RIP Prince, A Legendary Musician With A Complicated Internet History (networkworld.com)

alphadogg writes: Reflecting on the popular musician's uneasy relationship with the Internet and social media upon the 57-year-old surprising death. In 2010, Prince "famously shuttered his LotusFlow3r.com website," proclaiming that "The Internet is completely over... All these computers and digital gadgets are no good. They just fill your head with numbers and that can't be good for you." In 2014, The Guardian ran a story titled "Prince quits the Internet," after the singer deleted his social media accounts. He filed a lawsuit against his fans, which was later dropped, for sharing bootlegged copies of his music online. He even banned fans from taking smartphone photos at his concerts in 2013. Prince did seem to open up to the Internet to some degree in the past couple years. Prince's HTNRUN album was posted on Jay Z's Tidal music site last year. In Silicon Valley, Prince is being remembered as a social innovator and a passionate advocate for Black youth," inspiring YesWeCode, Van Jones' initiative to teach 100,000 low-income kids to write code, and hackathons across the country to expose kids in underserved communities to computer science. Bob Brown from Networkworld writes, "News of Prince's death Thursday briefly crashed the TMZ news site. From there, fans flocked to the Internet and social media to mourn this music star who did his darnedest to stay off the grid." RIP Prince.

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  1. Good night, sweet Prince. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, I could never get into the guy. He seemed completely full of himself, and I thought his music was overrated. Can't deny he was talented, though, and lots of people liked him.

    1. Re:Good night, sweet Prince. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're confusing sex with masturbation.

    2. Re: Good night, sweet Prince. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      He died in poverty because of copyright infringers.

  2. Tribute from Bloom County by TigerPlish · · Score: 5, Informative
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  3. Chyna also died by future+assassin · · Score: 5, Insightful
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    1. Re:Chyna also died by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah I guess Prince really took her death hard.

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  4. so let me get this straight by rubycodez · · Score: 5, Funny

    The artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as Prince is now "formerly alive"?

    1. Re:so let me get this straight by dbIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It only just hit me today why he did the symbol thing and why it actually makes sense.
      It was a stupid trademark fight with his record company fucking him over every time he wanted to use his stage name and the symbol plus "formerly known" was his way of telling them to go fuck themselves.
      At the time it just seemed stupid. In hindsight after hearing more about the record industry it actually sounds like it was a good thing to do.

    2. Re:so let me get this straight by dbIII · · Score: 4, Informative

      The record company put restrictions on when and where he could use his stage name of "Prince".
      He sidestepped that with the "formerly known as" label.

    3. Re:so let me get this straight by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Informative

      Prince was not his "stage name". Prince was his REAL NAME. His mother named him that and it was on his birth certificate. He went by that name his entire life. That's why it was such bullshit that his record company tried to claim copyright. It wasn't some silly made-up stage name like Madonna or Jon Stewart. It was his real name.

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    4. Re:so let me get this straight by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The record company put restrictions on when and where he could use his stage name of "Prince".
      He sidestepped that with the "formerly known as" label.

      Close, but what he did is change his name to force the studio into using that instead of his popular name. The point was, they disagreed over the contract, but the studio had the fine print on their side, so he spent about 7 years working against his own marketing, losing money to keep them from earning it off of him, while still complying with the terms so he could eventually pass out the other side and move on.

      Some stores weren't able to print the symbol for a few years; they didn't have the font. His music was not even available in many places for a significant time period, or was kept in the back of the store and only available on request.

      Some of his early music was very influential, but what he did in fighting for his artistic self-determination is more impressive to me. Although, signing the contract you wanted is also important. The importance for artists is: no, the record company would never sign a "Jefferson Airplane contract" ever again in history. But the artist should also refuse to sign a "Prince contract" that gives them too much control.

  5. TMZ crash by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 4, Funny

    "News of Prince's death Thursday briefly crashed the TMZ news site."

    Every dark cloud has a silver lining.

    1. Re: TMZ crash by chill · · Score: 5, Funny

      In other tragic news, Kanye West had been found alive in his apartment.

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    2. Re: TMZ crash by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Doubtless, that no-talent hack will go on at length about how he's ten times more talented than Prince.

      I can't say I liked everything Prince did, though I was of an age when Purple Rain was one of the seminal records of my generation, but one thing I'll say about him, that I would say about David Bowie as well, is that he didn't really give a damn about genres or musical forms, and even if some of his experiments were failures, you know it was a damned daring person who refused to be typecast and shoved into a box.

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    3. Re: TMZ crash by roman_mir · · Score: 5, Funny

      you know it was a damned daring person who refused to be typecast and shoved into a box.

      - but the box always wins at the end. Too soon?

  6. Re:News for nerds PLEASE! by xevioso · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Dear idiot,

    It is very difficult to find songs on Youtube to listen to to remember Prince's works by, at the moment, because Prince himself made it difficult. He was not just any musician who had problems with how the internet affected his music, but perhaps the primary one. This site is a site for news for nerds, and Princes death is relevant to those of us who use the internet for music.

  7. Re:News for nerds PLEASE! by whipslash · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cool story AC. Scroll on by.

  8. Re:News for nerds PLEASE! by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Indeed. His war on the Internet makes him the peculiar counterpoint to a man who died a few months ago; David Bowie. Both incredibly talented men, genre-busting artists, but one recognized the Internet for what it was and embraced it, and the other only saw it as a den of thieves and waged war against it.

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  9. Re:Drugs by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Informative

    The rumors floating around was that it must have had something to do with the flu he was suffering for the last week or two. He was pretty religious (a Jehovah's Witness, as ironic and odd as that may seem), so I have my doubts that he died of drugs. I'm wagering either a misdiagnosis of a more severe ailment, or a flu that went out of control (this can happen, and influenza still is a major killer).

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  10. Re:News for nerds PLEASE! by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And both end up in the same state, and take just as much of their profits with them to the grave.

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  11. Re:Horrible Music by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He was nothing but a talentless hack with a major identity crisis.

    Eric Clapton was once asked how it felt to be the world's greatest guitarist. His response: "I don't know. Ask Prince."

    If anything, Prince was the opposite of someone with a "major identity crisis". He knew exactly who he was and did not give one single fuck if you didn't like it. Watch his solo on While My Guitar Gently Weeps from his induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and tell me if you think he looks like someone who has an identity crisis.

    https://youtu.be/6SFNW5F8K9Y

    He strolls onstage in the middle of the song, at about 3:25 in the video. And all the other rock stars on stage just give him room and watch with their mouths open. He ends his Citizen Kane of guitar solos by doing the guitar equivalent of a mic drop, except instead of dropping the guitar he sort of just flips it up to air and pimp-walks off the stage like he owns the motherfucker. My guess is the guitar ascended directly into heaven, because it knew it could never top that moment.

    That my friends, is how a rock star makes an entrance and an exit.

    Prince was the ultimate musical nerd. He not only could play every instrument on his records, but could do all of it better than most people who play those instruments. He was five foot goddamn four inches tall and still managed to be the Jesus of scoring hot babes.

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  12. Kevin Smith by Major+Blud · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Check on Kevin Smith talking about his experience of working with Prince. Weird guy, but definitely left his mark.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    1. Re:Kevin Smith by pz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      At one point in that awesome commentary, Kevin Smith talks about Prince's habitual making of songs and full-on videos that are not released but "put in the vault," as Smith describes what Prince's assistant told him. While Smith makes light of that odd behavior, it makes sense as a long-term strategy to make hay while the sun shines as the colloquial saying goes, assuming Prince was saving these gems for later release as his talent and abilities faded, as an insurance policy to pay for his extravagant lifestyle in his later years.

      So, will we now see those compositions released? Did Prince leave instructions in his will?

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  13. Re:Drugs by amicusNYCL · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The guy had been sick for at least 2 weeks before he died. Drugs probably could have helped save him, actually.

    Oh wait, you're not talking about those drugs though, right? You're talking about the things that the government says are bad for you, like weed. Not drugs like caffeine, aspirin, alcohol, penicillin, lipitor, nexium, plavix, abilify, prilosec, amoxicillin, viagra, zoloft, ambien, hydrocodone, oxycontin, you know the completely harmless non-addictive drugs. You're talking about things like plants and mushrooms, right?

    I forget, are Bayer's Heroin and Merck's Morphine on the good or bad list these days? Whatever the government says, right?

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  14. he was...and more.... by OutOnARock · · Score: 5, Informative

    James Brown and Jimi Hendrix all rolled into one

    Saw him live many times and it was always a kick ass show

    Compared to the shit today, he truly was a musical genius

  15. Re:Horrible Music by SpankiMonki · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Thanks for the link to that video. Never really got into Prince that much, and certainly did not recognize his talent with a guitar. Until now. That performance gave me chills.

  16. Re:Drugs by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 3, Informative

    A college roommate's girlfriend died of the flu. She was a normal, healthy 20 year old until that point.

  17. Re:Horrible Music by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Thanks for the link to that video. Never really got into Prince that much, and certainly did not recognize his talent with a guitar. Until now. That performance gave me chills.

    You might also want to look at his live performance at the 2007 Super Bowl. That was the last one, by the way, that did not use any pre-recorded tracks.

    As Prince like to say, "When I go on stage, my mike is ON. I'm live, not memorex."

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  18. Re:Horrible Music by djlowe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can say many things about Prince, but "talentless hack" isn't among them.

    I think that his fame came more from singing and songwriting, but Prince was greatly underappreciated as a guitarist.

    Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y

    His solo starts at about 3:26. I recommend watching it from the beginning, because it's a wonderful tribute.

    His solo is exquisite, in my opinion, at times at the forefront, extending, expanding upon the lyrics and melody while never overwhelming either, and at times also complementing them, moving back and forth until the end.

    No showboating, I think, but verve, gusto, pure enjoyment and musicianship. He was asked there to play, and to solo, and he did both masterfully.

    Watch/listen it in its entirety, once. Then just listen to it.

    As you watch it, note that Prince is not only soloing GREAT, playing well, he's also engaged with the other musicians. He knows the song, knows that he's playing with some of the best musicians in the rock world and is aware of all of that as he plays.

    And you can TELL that he's having a blast being there. He's playing his best, and I think that the others in the band recognize it.

    As you just listen, note how well what he plays fits, both solo and together with the rest of the band. Clean, complex, precise, not a missed note, nor a note played that doesn't fit the song overall in some way.

    At one point he just vanishes, merges back into the song with the band and then emerges again.

    Wonderful!

    All that being said, I was never a huge Prince fan over the years, but that video gave me a new appreciation of him, when I first watched it, years ago.

    As to whether or not his death deserves to be of note on Slashdot? The most relevant justification would be Prince's stance on digital copyright, and I don't care to discuss that.

    I made the mistake of doing that in general here, years ago, and I shan't revisit that here ever again.

    All that being said: Say what you will of Prince, but don't ever say he was a "talentless hack".

    Regards,

    dj

  19. Re:News for nerds PLEASE! by Imrik · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd say they both recognized the Internet for what it is.

  20. Re:News for nerds PLEASE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'd never thought much about Prince and wouldn't you know while stumbling around YouTube I found a very impressive all-star performance of 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps'. His solo starts around 3:30...

  21. Re:Why this is news for nerds by Ash-Fox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "After the Trayvon Martin verdict I was talking to Prince and he said, 'You know, every time people see a young black man wearing a hoodie, they think, he's a thug. But if they see a young white guy wearing a hoodie they think, oh that might be Mark Zuckerberg. That might be a dot-com billionaire.'"

    When I see people in hoodies, I think 'chav'. Doesn't matter what skin color.

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