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Microsoft, Google Agree To Stop Complaining To Regulators About Each Other (recode.net)

An anonymous reader shares an article on Recode: Microsoft and Google say they have recently reached an agreement under which they will drop pending regulatory complaints against one another across the globe. The two have also agreed that they will try to work among themselves to settle any future issues before running to regulators. "Microsoft has agreed to withdraw its regulatory complaints against Google, reflecting our changing legal priorities," a Microsoft representative said in a statement to Re/code. âoeWe will continue to focus on competing vigorously for business and for customers." Google, meanwhile, offered up a similar statement, affirming that it too will withdraw any regulatory complaints it has made. âoeOur companies compete vigorously, but we want to do so on the merits of our products, not in legal proceedings."Also from the report, "The timing is interesting, coming just as European regulators charge that Google is abusing its position in the Android market. However, both sides say the deal was in the works for some time."

67 comments

  1. What's this called? by NotInHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Cartel"? Is that the word for it?

    1. Re:What's this called? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1, Funny

      "Cartel"? Is that the word for it?

      Apple.

    2. Re:What's this called? by NotInHere · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Google is world monopolist in multiple multi billion dollar markets (Search, Android), as well as Microsoft (Windows, Office). Apple is no market leader anywhere. The only thing Apple does better than Google or Microsoft is to make wagonloads of money with the tiny share they have. Apple serves the most profitable minority, while Google and MS take over the rest.

    3. Re:What's this called? by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      I thought they claimed 80% of the MP3 player market. They probably lost a lot of market share, but they were pretty big in the online music purchasing business too.

    4. Re:What's this called? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3

      Don't upset the AppleCartel.

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    5. Re:What's this called? by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Except the MP3 player market has all but evaporated in recent years, with the vast majority of people just using their smartphone for the task.

    6. Re:What's this called? by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 1

      "Cartel"? Is that the word for it?

      Ah, solidarity, the last virtue of the gangster.

    7. Re:What's this called? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't upset the AppleCartel.

      Damn, I just used up my last mod point. + 1 Funny

    8. Re:What's this called? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      What, you mean the government using its threat of force to extract "regulatory fees" from people and companies, and largely being used as a corporate attack dog by companies against each other, due to (again) due to its regulatory monopoly which creates false markets?

      It absolutely fucking is.

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    9. Re:What's this called? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Solidarity? Is that another word for government?

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    10. Re:What's this called? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Cartel"? Is that the word for it?

      There's a nice expression for it: honor among thieves.

    11. Re:What's this called? by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      $TechCo sues $TechInc and vice versa:
      That's a bad thing! All they do is sue!

      $TechCo agrees to drop all cases agains $TechInc and vice versa:
      That's a bad thing! It's a "cartel".



      Yet another "Damned if they do, damned if they don't" comment brought to you by Slashdot.

    12. Re:What's this called? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google doesn't make money out of Android though, so it's not really a "market" to them. Google don't really make phones, so no, they're not a leader in the mobile market. Apple and Samsung are pretty much tied for market share right now, so yes, Apple is an equal market leader in mobile phones pretty much everywhere except Korea, and a clear market leader in some territories.

      I guess all the iPhones people walk around with the whole time must be invisible to you or something.

    13. Re:What's this called? by xtronics · · Score: 1

      "Cartel" is the right word - The USA form of government is best called "Cartel Socialism" where the government picks the winners and losers based on the amount of money harvested. The system has bi-partisan support - as the public has started noticing they are getting screwed - they are looking for outside candidates.

      M$ and Google get large amounts of direct money from the government to compromise your devices.. They are not a lone - just some on the list of the fortune 100 Cartel members..

    14. Re: What's this called? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a little too soon for that; "unholy alliance" would be more appropriate.

    15. Re: What's this called? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to be able to play Doom on my RockBox-flashed Sansa MP3 player. It was hardly larger than a box of matches; if it'd had a WiFi chip and a wristband... ;)

    16. Re:What's this called? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will they also undertake to never again illegally collude to restrain wages?

      fuckers

    17. Re:What's this called? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      The only thing Apple does better than Google or Microsoft is to make wagonloads of money with the tiny share they have. Apple serves the most profitable minority, while Google and MS take over the rest.

      That's mainly due to the "oooh shiny" factor more than anything else. Hell if you want proof of that, look at Beats. The headphones it sells are provably inferior to literally everything else in their price range, yet it takes 64% of the high end headphone market. Why? Well, when it has a high price tag, people tend to think it's good.

    18. Re:What's this called? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Android is Google's loss leader. They make their money on bundling GMS. And you can't fault them for this because a ton of other companies have a similar business model and nobody thinks twice about it.

    19. Re:What's this called? by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      "Cartel"? Is that the word for it?

      It's called "collusion".

      It's the kind of thing that the RICO Act was designed to extinguish.

  2. Thank God. by pecosdave · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I never thought I would see this sort of thing in my lifetime.

    Using your own strength and position to get what you want is healthy, respectable competition. Running to regulators is like a couple of little kids fighting in the back seat and is admitting you don't have what it takes to play on the market. Especially at the size of these two companies.

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    1. Re:Thank God. by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's right!

      You don't see rival mob families running to the police for help solving their conflicts. They're able to divide up the landscape into exclusive territories without government help.

    2. Re:Thank God. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Using your own strength and position to get what you want is healthy, respectable competition. Running to regulators is like a couple of little kids fighting in the back seat and is admitting you don't have what it takes to play on the market. Especially at the size of these two companies."

      Indeed. Now Google and Microsoft can work together to resolve their distances while strange new startup shell companies arrive on the scene to complain to regulators.

    3. Re:Thank God. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's commendable indeed.

      However, what is unsaid here is that both Google and Microsoft are happy to use regulators to crush smaller competition. Also worth observing is that Google and Microsoft have actually written and lobbied for quite a bit of these regulations. Adding in this agreement to respect one another and we see that the overall effect of the regulations is to stifle competition and make life easier for the large, established companies. It's pure cronyism.

      Anyone that really cares about the well-being of the people and a basic understanding of economics and politics would want to see 99.99%+ of all law and regulation erased.

  3. Collusion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does this sound like collusion to anyone else?

    1. Re:Collusion? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Does this sound like collusion to anyone else?

      Collusion is where companies agree to screw over consumers in private. That word doesn't apply to stop bitching about each other in public.

    2. Re:Collusion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does, if said bitching is about the other one screwing over consumers.

    3. Re:Collusion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Collusion is where companies agree to screw over consumers

      ... or competitors (and thereby, the consumers too).

    4. Re:Collusion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. Generally, the courts and regulators push very hard to get parties to work out their differences without involving the legal process.

    5. Re:Collusion? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      It sounds like we need to hire proactive regulators, as opposed to wait to start an investigation after companies who have a vested interest in cease-fires to complain about each other.

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  4. Priorities by BorgDrone · · Score: 2

    Microsoft has agreed to withdraw its regulatory complaints against Google, reflecting our changing legal priorities

    Seems like they finally realised who the real enemy is in this: the consumer.

    Seriously though, if you don't want any trouble with regulatory complaints, maybe try not to break any regulations.

    1. Re:Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's easy to say "don't break any regulations" but it is much more difficult in practice since regulations are bought and paid for by your competition (and yes, by your own company when you play at this level).

    2. Re:Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regulations are how politicians make their money.

  5. legal won't be happy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Less work, less billable hours.

    > though the company [Microsoft] continues to seek patent royalties from hardware makers that use Android and Linux in their products

    They're still trying to shake down companies that use Linux? Who?

    1. Re:legal won't be happy by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      http://techrights.org/2015/10/...

      Disclaimer: he might be a bit biased, but there is probably lots of truth as well.

    2. Re:legal won't be happy by Falos · · Score: 1

      There there, I'm sure they'll have convincing stories about other targets that must be, NEED to be sued. As it was, as it will always be.

    3. Re:legal won't be happy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're still trying to shake down companies that use Linux?

      Yes. But now they have decided to shake themselves down.

  6. That's wonderful and all . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . . . but when are they going to begin fully supporting the only open format for office documents (Open Document Format) and drop support for horrible closed proprietary monstrosities like Microsoft XML?

  7. Snitches Get Stitches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gangsters don't call the cops on each other.

  8. test by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    test

    1. Re:test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a test of the emergency broadcast system. This is only a test. Had this been an actual emergency, you would all be dead by now.

    2. Re:test by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

      passed

  9. Microsoft And Google Want To Complain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft and Google want to complain! Look at these shoes. I've only had them three weeks and the heels are worn right through. If you complain nothing happens, you might as well not bother. Oh my back hurts, it's not a very fine day and I'm sick and tired of this office.

    1. Re: Microsoft And Google Want To Complain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't look now, but there are some shifty looking kids eying your lawn!

  10. Unintended consequences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you poke a regulator even for a rational and justified reason you almost always get unintended consequences in the form of irrational or politically motivated responses, over-reactions, reflected attention, and the main tools government has, is banning and fines. It is a nasty business to hang your hat on any government, but particularly on increasingly socialist leaning governments.

    Tech companies are exceedingly market based organisations and asking for the attention of anti-market organisations like governments, regulators and political cartels like EU is simply unwise.

  11. Why should anyone need to complain in these cases? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You would think if the state wants to define a monopoly or abuse thereof that they would also be the ones to determine when it's time to step in.

  12. Simple economics, kill the lawyers by Slagothor · · Score: 1

    They both finally wised up and realized they can cut a huge operating expense by dropping any lawsuits against each other. I could imagine they'll save tremendously in legal expenses.

  13. How is OOXML still "closed"? by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How are the Office Open XML (.docx, .xlsx, .pptx) formats still "closed proprietary monstrosities"? Are there still holes in the documentation published by Ecma and ISO? Or is Microsoft claiming that third-party implementations infringe its copyrights, patents, or trademarks?

    1. Re:How is OOXML still "closed"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're monstrosities alright. They're proprietary too: Basically a shoddy write-up of what they thought their own software produces. Turns out... not quite, not as ratified. So they're not actually usable for writing useful software with as the only software claiming to read and write those formats when published --closed-source proprietary software-- fails to conform to the spec. So verily and indeed, that particular bit of flagrant redmondian ecma-and-iso process abuse produced only unusable turds that need to die in a fire. There is and can be no excuse for touting them anyway.

    2. Re:How is OOXML still "closed"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all in the governance processes, and the insufficiency of Microsoft's patent "pledge."

      Not to mention that when you use for example a .docx, the average person has no way of knowing if you're using strict or transitional.

      And then there is the superfluity of MOOXML, which was unnecessary when a perfectly good open format ODF already existed.

      Or the fact that Microsoft refuses in its typical lock-in fashion to support ODF in Office 365.

      But don't let inconvenient facts get in the way of your Microsoft fan-boism/shilling, by all means.

      Satya, tear down this wall. End MOOXML once and for all.

    3. Re:How is OOXML still "closed"? by tepples · · Score: 2

      You make a good point about "transitional" mess. But I'm interested in what holes you found in Microsoft's patent pledge. Do these arguments from eight years ago still apply? Or has Microsoft fixed them?

      MOOXML, which was unnecessary when a perfectly good open format ODF already existed

      Was ODF suitable to round-trip every single feature of the existing .doc, .xls, and .ppt formats? Or would it have required Microsoft to drop features on which at least some paying customers depend? For example, do compatibility options in Word and formulas and macros in Excel survive a round trip to ODF?

      Microsoft fan-boism/shilling

      I have never been paid by Microsoft or anyone else to recommend Microsoft products. As a fan of free software, I want to make sure the anti-OOXML claims are as strong as they can be: sufficiently detailed and free of holes that might threaten the overall argument for free software.

    4. Re:How is OOXML still "closed"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your premise is so ridiculous it is clear you are shilling.

      The governance processes for ODF are wide open. Microsoft needn't have dropped any features. They could quite easily have dropped MOOXML instead and focused on bringing new functionality to ODF.

  14. Makes complete business sense by cjjjer · · Score: 1

    By solving the issues internally regulators don't get to see the details and thus they fail to create or impose more regulations against the companies. My friends father is part of a regulatory committee in his industry and the majority of new regulations come from disputes.

  15. Disable Advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Disable Advertising checkbox does not work.

  16. Mob doesn't use police? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Mob doesn't use police?

    Police corruption is a fundamental criminal mob activity. It is their version of regulatory capture.

  17. Found the transcript by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    Microsoft: Mom, Google just poked me!
    Google: Did Not!
    Microsoft: Did too!
    Mom: Google, please stop touching Microsoft.
    (Microsoft sticks its tongue out at Google. Then, a minute later puts its hand down on the seat and starts slowly moving it towards Google)
    Google: MO-ommm, Microsoft has its hand on my seat!
    Microsoft: MO-ommm, Microsoft has its hand on my seat!
    Google: Stop repeating everything I say!
    Microsoft: Stop repeating everything I say!
    Google: Microsoft is an idiot!
    Microsoft: Microsoft is an... (then punches Google)
    Google: MOM! MICROSOFT HIT ME!
    Microsoft: GOOGLE STARTED IT!
    Mom: Both of you, knock it off! You two need to get along - we've got a long trip ahead.
    Dad: YOU TWO KNOCK IT OFF RIGHT NOW OR I AM TURNING THIS CAR AROUND!
    (Google sticks its tongue out at Microsoft)

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  18. Ludicrous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another example of how the executive/stockholder class has become so detached from the people who make them rich, the people don't even come to mind as part of their "issue".

    Regulators don't exist for the purpose of doing what Google wants over what Microsoft wants, or vice-versa.

    Regulators exist for the benefit of the -public-, and precisely like the "anti-poaching" agreements, the "bosses" agreeing to collude for their collective benefit at the expense of the workers, is to no one else's benefit. Yet they laud it as some kind of general "success". The degree of presumptuousness and self-entitlement here is astonishing. The fact they'd probably have difficulty even understanding what the objection here is, even more so.

  19. Not To Worry! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are millions of users out there who will continue to complain about Microsoft and Google's immoral and legally questionable behaviour.

  20. It is collusion. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    If they don't have full disclosure of every dispute and every resolution, they will be in violation of the law. If they do disclose they might get some wiggle room.

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  21. or as I put it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Indian guy who runs Google and Indian guy who run Microsoft, each loaded with Indian workers decide to play nice
    for India?

  22. Omerta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not just for La Cosa Nostra.

  23. Collusion by HeckRuler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Gather round children, it's time old uncle Sherman played his favourite tune called Collusion.

    Now when the young little cats get to hissin' n' scratching

    You can bet all them rats are a hidin' and a quakin'

    All the kittens that compete get a nice little treat

    And the market is nice and free.

    Buuuuuuuuuuut,

    When the cats dun grow fat... and they can't scratch their back

    And they get an old friend to help

    Well we call that a scam what a horrible sham

    And ol' sherman dun gets out his belt

    Cause them rats get to play all the night and all day

    And they dun shit on all of our pay.

    With a whip and whap I take care o' all that

    And them cats get to lose a few pounds.

    Now children, you might remember when your kitten was a darling little cute thing and it was full of spit and fire trying to make the world a better place. But times change and kittens grow into cats. And cats get fat with power and wealth. And then it's time to take them out back teach them some proper manners.

    Personally, I thought it would take longer. I gave Google until the time that the founders stepped down. In retrospect, it was awfully nice of them to have a name-change to indicate the moment when they decided to grow goatees and give into the bean counters and business suits.

  24. Corporate motto by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

    One US company has, as its unoffical motto "The competition is [our] friend and the customer [our[ enemy"

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  25. Re: Indian Love by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dot Indian, or feather Indian?

  26. Bend Over Google by dcollins · · Score: 1

    Remember, this is not yet a week since Microsoft & Google announced a "no complaint" to regulators agreement:

    https://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/04/22/1421201/microsoft-google-agree-to-stop-complaining-to-regulators-about-each-other

    In classic Microsoft fashion, they forge an agreement with someone and then immediately screw them over in the most mean-spirited, legalistic way possible. Google really should have known better on this one.

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