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Over 1 Million People Use Tor To Check Facebook Anonymously Each Month (techcrunch.com)

An anonymous reader writes: More than one million people have used the Tor anonymizing browser to login to Facebook, according to Facebook. Facebook expanded its support for Tor earlier this year as it rolled-out support for the Android Orbot proxy, providing Android Facebook users easier access to use Tor. In October 2014, Facebook created a dedicated onion address for Tor access, once again, making it easier for users to connect via Tor. Tor said some 525,000 people accessed [Facebook] via Tor in June 2015, rising to more than one million this month. "This [Tor] growth is a reflection of the choices that people make to use Facebook over Tor, and the value that it provides them. We hope they will continue to provide feedback and help us keep improving," Facebook added. Users may use Tor to access Facebook because of the location obfuscation feature, as well as to ensure their identity doesn't leak to intermediaries -- such as ISPs or "an agency that surveils the Internet."

63 comments

  1. Anonymously?! Haha by topham · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Facebook is on Tor so the CIA can do network analysis of known origin data. Sure sure, some people jump through proxies first VPn or otherwise, but most don't.

    1. Re:Anonymously?! Haha by radarskiy · · Score: 2

      For some people the CIA is not the organization most likely to kill them.

    2. Re:Anonymously?! Haha by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      CIA? You do know on the grand scheme of government organisations tracking people down the vast majority of TOR users fear the FBI and the CIA the least. Much of the world is more worried about organisations which don't have the ability to subpoena or issue secret warrants to the likes of Facebook.

      Those are the types of organisations much MORE likely to make people disappear in the middle of the night.

    3. Re:Anonymously?! Haha by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

      I fear Facebook tracking more than FBI or CIA tracking...

  2. anonymous browser to login... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    am I missing something here???

    1. Re:anonymous browser to login... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Heh, really, the irony is thick

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    2. Re: anonymous browser to login... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it was just me checking my 999,996 fake bot Facebook accounts. Not sure wh the other 4 where.

    3. Re:anonymous browser to login... by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

      Yes, when using Tor only you and Facebook know your identity and that you are using Facebook.
      If Facebook were not collaborating with surveillance agencies and even developing a neat interface for them.

      --
      NB: The message above might reflect my opinion right now, but not necessarily tomorrow or next year.
    4. Re:anonymous browser to login... by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes you are. Just because I can login to some website and post some comment under some strange pseudonym to discuss religious, cultural, political, or otherwise sensitive topics doesn't mean that I necessarily wish to allow those communications to be read by the government.

      What you're missing, is that some governments are hostile to speech while at the same time in no position to subpoena a company to hand over user details. In that regard having a secure anonymous connection between yourself and a server which resides outside of reach of said country is important even if the transaction with the final server is not anonymous.

    5. Re:anonymous browser to login... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I'm giving all MY data away, I want to do it anonymously.

    6. Re:anonymous browser to login... by trawg · · Score: 1

      I strongly suspect that a lot of them are basically parts of botnets run by shady marketers to sell likes/follows/etc. Tor is probably just used to avoid tripping certain Facebook mechanisms of multiple logins per IP or something.

    7. Re:anonymous browser to login... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's really about getting around firewalls, not giving you any sort of anonymity.

      To copy a great analogy another user made in the story about Facebook's .onion site launch, in terms of anonymity it's "like putting a condom over the car you drive to the whorehouse."

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    8. Re: anonymous browser to login... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might be useful for aliases, compartmentalization of friend groups, trolling, stalking, psyops, and who knows what else?

  3. Pssst. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    <whisper> Facebook still knows its you. </whisper>

  4. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some people not even use computers and starve to death while all those bastards eat, shit and die in this cyber prison only to behold all those fat millionary sick jokes.

  5. Translation by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    Headline: "Over 1 Million People Use Tor To Check Facebook Anonymously Each Month"

    Translation: "NSA Adds Over 1 Million People To Secret Watch List Each Month"

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    Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
    1. Re:Translation by lgw · · Score: 2

      Translation: "NSA Adds Over 1 Million People To Secret Watch List Each Month"

      I don't believe that for a second - that would imply there exists someone not already on that list!

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    2. Re:Translation by rmdingler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Headline: "Over 1 Million People Use Tor To Check Facebook Anonymously Each Month"

      Translation: "NSA Adds Over 1 Million People To Secret Watch List Each Month"

      Amen. More noise to sift through.

      The fear is that the initial outfits will collect and parse all of our information. This is not worth worrying over. The toothpaste is pretty much out of the tube... the collection of everything is efficient and ongoing.

      We are saved from a realistic fruition of the 1984 prophecy not by compassion, plenty of warning, or good governing; but by the endless, insatiable greed of the governors.

      --
      Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

      Ernest Hemingway

  6. Re:Why use Tor at all? by rmdingler · · Score: 1
    A walk through memory lane.

    It's slow enough that it satisfies your need to reminisce for the good ole days of dial up.

    --
    Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

    Ernest Hemingway

  7. One million people? by starless · · Score: 1

    If they are accessing it anonymously surely it could just be one person accessing facebook one million times per month?
    (Or some other combination of multiple accesses by 1 million people.)

  8. Re:T.O.R. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know you're trolling, but here's a serious answer anyway.

    there's no reason you need to using T.O.R.

    Only in the sense that there was "no reason Rosa Parks needed to ride on the front of the bus".

    I won't comment on the dubious wisdom of logging into Facebook under TOR. But in a general sense, anything that frustrates the surveillance state and returns power from the state back to individuals has critical social benefits that make it worthwhile, even if it is inconvenient.

    There's "no reason" only if you don't give a shit about human rights.

  9. Out of shame probably. by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 3, Funny

    If I had a Facebook account I'd hide the fact too.

    Then again it could just be creepy basement denizens stalking the people they had a crush on back in their school days.

    1. Re:Out of shame probably. by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Or maybe people in Thailand speaking out against their king, people in China speaking out against their government, or people in Russia proclaiming their love to their homosexual partner.

    2. Re:Out of shame probably. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the top dissidents among those will be data mined and turned into a list of potentials. Tor is only as good as your fake identity is.

    3. Re:Out of shame probably. by baseyguy · · Score: 1

      Oh man. This comment made me register account on the website and only been two days since I started browsing the website. Really hit me. Like I've been browsing Facebook profile of girls which were in my high school and haven't talked interacted with them for the past 6 years. I still have a crush on the girl and been really depressed these days as in "I got nothing to show my worth". I'm literally in my mom's basement typing this. Like, holy shit. That stereotypical "mom basement dweller". Fuck my life. On the side note, haven't accessed facebook using torr and I think I will now.

  10. Re:Why use Tor at all? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

    In some places, using Facebook is itself illegal.

  11. Re:T.O.R. by rmdingler · · Score: 2
    That is matter from the south end of a northbound bull.

    Perhaps I perceive that anonymity is a right to privacy issue that is constitutionally protected.

    --
    Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

    Ernest Hemingway

  12. Re:T.O.R. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know you're trolling, but here's a serious answer anyway.

    there's no reason you need to using T.O.R.

    Only in the sense that there was "no reason Rosa Parks needed to ride on the front of the bus".

    I won't comment on the dubious wisdom of logging into Facebook under TOR. But in a general sense, anything that frustrates the surveillance state and returns power from the state back to individuals has critical social benefits that make it worthwhile, even if it is inconvenient.

    There's "no reason" only if you don't give a shit about human rights.

    No, OP is right. It's not about sticking it to THE MAN, its about logging into your girlfriends FB account to see if she's steppin' out on you untraceable like.

  13. What good is a VPN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What good is a VPN when you're visiting the pages of your friends & family?

    They don't NEED to trace down your internet connection to figure out who you're connected to!

  14. In other news.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Over a million morons defeat the purpose of Tor and tag their session to a identifiable identity providing useful metadata which allows encrypted streams to be statistically analysed and a probability assigned to the traffic helping big data systems uniquely identify them through behavioural analysis.

    Facebook is not your friend...its a friend of gov.

  15. Re:T.O.R. by digitig · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason for accessing Facebook over TOR is noise. The more innocuous traffic on TOR, the harder it gets for anybody looking for the less innocuous stuff.

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    Quidnam Latine loqui modo coepi?
  16. Re:T.O.R. by phayes · · Score: 2

    Looks to me that much of the tor traffic to fb is from the asses that clone accounts unde a new misspelled name, ask to be friended and then send messages asking for money. Their scam only works when tracking back to the IP is difficult.

    --
    Democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the issue
  17. Re:Why use Tor at all? by matbury · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say" -- Edward Snowden

  18. Well, OR... by Narcocide · · Score: 2

    ... one guy uses Tor to check Facebook anonymously 1 million times per month.

    1. Re:Well, OR... by vux984 · · Score: 2

      ... one guy uses Tor to check Facebook anonymously 1 million times per month.

      No, facebooks knows who the million are.

      So the headline should be 1 million idiots used tor thinking they connected to facebook anonymously and here follows a list of their names, addresses, birthdays, favorite snack, last vacation they went on, and who their dentist is.

    2. Re:Well, OR... by son1dow · · Score: 2

      Maybe many of them created temporary accounts to post on more sensitive topics, and they don't log into them without tor. Or they've used this to hide their IPs despite giving away their ID. That might be useful as well.

  19. Sorry for the hijacking, but this is too important by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Informative

    Slashdot is deleting comments!

    I cannot overstress the importance of stopping this!

    Indelible, uneditable comments are Slashdot's last redeeming value! Without it all is lost!

    Please, help spread the word, and maybe we can nip this in the bud.

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    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  20. Re:Sorry for the hijacking, but this is too import by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    What were the comments about?

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    "I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)

  21. tor by JohnVanVliet · · Score: 1

    hitting FB using tor is FUBAR!!!!!

    and will land you IN PRISON

    that illegal onion site you visited ( hacked by fbi) has a computer finger print of YOU

    then you log in to FB with a MATCHING electronic fingerprint and BOOM you are arrested

    loging into FB is a very FUBAR idea

    --
    "I don't pitch OpenSUSE Linux to my friends, i let Microsoft do it for me
    1. Re: tor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The TOR browser bundle goes to extensive pains to prevent fingerprinting, so what's likely to happen is you look like everyone else unless you use another browser.

      I don't discount 0days but there are ways of helping yourself avoid being traced by them. Look into whonix. Not perfect, but a damned sight better than running TBB on bare metal.

      And anybody using the same TBB instance (and computer) for Facebook and crime is so dumb they deserve to be caught.

  22. Re:Why use Tor at all? by jma05 · · Score: 2

    Great quote. A comprehensive exploration of the topic is in: Nothing to Hide by Daniel J. Solove, a legal scholar.

  23. Re:Why use Tor at all? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

    Well, it's a good thing that 40% of American university students don't agree with free speech and don't understand why we have it. "Free speech" is just a cover for bigots to broadcast hate speech. It needs to go away along with all the other crazy right-wing ideas like the Constitution and separation of powers.

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    Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
  24. Re:Sorry for the hijacking, but this is too import by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +1 I would like to know more about this too.

  25. Re:Sorry for the hijacking, but this is too import by fustakrakich · · Score: 0

    Forget about it. Nobody cares.

    --
    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  26. How do they know? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    I know this sounds like a stupid question but how does Facebook know someone is using tor? Is there a TOR bit set in some IP header somewhere that alerts them to it?

    1. Re:How do they know? by d4fseeker · · Score: 1

      Facebook is on the TOR network in the sense that they run their own TOR service/node. Traffic coming from those can be (and very probably is) tagged correspondingly. They do not rely on third-party (aka NSA) provided exit nodes from the Tor network to the "general" internet which would not qualify as being "on Tor".

  27. Re: T.O.R. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You, sir, are a grade-A moron.

    The government might care about you specifically but they still log everything you access online. At least they do where I come from. You conveniently overlook that they might start being interested in you for any random reason.

    What concerns me is what happens when laws change. I am concerned the government will go back through those logs because they can find people who previously engaged in legal behaviours and surveil them to see if they continue to engage after the behaviour has become unlawful.

    I am concerned that the government will present those logs out of context to prove a crime when none existed. Perhaps I saw sarin gas in Homeland and looked it up on Wikipedia.

    Perhaps the world isn't all USA and other government ban the use of Facebook. Those same governments are big on summary executions and what not.

    Who are you, Sir Moronsalot, to judge other people's reasons to remain anonymous?

  28. Re:T.O.R. by Alumoi · · Score: 1

    You gave up your right to privacy the moment you aquired a mobile phone and were being issued a credit/debit card.
    Tracking you everywhere you go, as long as the phone is emitting a signal, is trivial. Using the credit/debit card leaves a more distinct track.
    I'm not saying that you, the individual, are being monitored on purpose by any lettered agency, but the records exist and can (an will, in the near future) be used to compose a very accurate profile.
    Now where's my damned tinfoil hat???

  29. Facebook Microsoft Facebook Microsoft Facebook Mic by tetraverse · · Score: 1

    Two Facebook articles, only the one Microsoft article, what gives slashdot? Is it because without these two technological titans, the computing revolution we're experiencing today would never have happened.

  30. Re:Sorry for the hijacking, but this is too import by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

    OK, no comments are being deleted, then.

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  31. Re: T.O.R. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    If you're not paid counterintel, you don't need to post that as AC.

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    My God, it's Full of Source!
    OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
  32. Lip Service by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    I gave it a shot when I was learning how the .onion protocol works, and as soon as I logged in, it flagged the activity as suspicious and invalidated the cookie on all my other devices. It's not some uber-protective measure - it literally warned me that the login was suspicious.

    That's not what FB would do if it were trying to encourage opportunistic privacy. That the hidden service exists seems to just be to pay lip service to privacy advocates.

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    My God, it's Full of Source!
    OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
  33. Re:Facebook Microsoft Facebook Microsoft Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is this "computing revolution" you're referring to?

    You're probable one of those people who think Bill Gates wrote DOS in his garage, and Steve Jobs invented the mouse.

  34. Over 1 million people use tor. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me fix that headline...

    Over 1 million people use Tor.

    There... That they check Facebook is probably a habit alongside jde any other website they visit.

  35. 0.06% by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    Assuming the number is accurate, that would be about 0.06% of facebook users.

    But what these people apparently don't realize is, that as soon as they log in, all anonymity is gone. Do they really think facebook doesn't communicate things like IP address or geolocation data, regardless of whether the communication goes through TOR? Even if that fails, it's really hard to escape the power of facebook's data analytics. They probably can identify you by that alone.

  36. 5000 People. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    More like: 50,000 people use Tor to check Facebook 20 times each month. Though for Facebook addicts it wouldn't be 20 times in a month.

    So it's more likely: 5000 people use Tor to check Facebook 200 times a month.

    Big whoop there.

  37. Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use an anonymizing service to log into a personal profile. That's REAL smart.

  38. Re:Facebook Microsoft Facebook Microsoft Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two Facebook articles, only the one Microsoft article, what gives slashdot? Is it because without these two technological titans, the computing revolution we're experiencing today would never have happened.

    I feel sorry for you if you actually believe that.

    Facebook has no relevance in today's society. People communicated with one another through Email and chat boards for decades before Zuckerberg stole the idea of Facebook from his roommate and used it to profit from people's sense of self importance.

    Microsoft only created a revolution by crushing their opponents through unethical business practices. Had they been properly punished for those practices then others (i.e. actual competition) would have succeeded. The revolution would still have happened even if Microsoft never existed. Remember both Microsoft and Apple stole the concept of a graphic user interface from Xerox Parc.

  39. Re:Facebook Microsoft Facebook Microsoft Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two Facebook articles, only the one Microsoft article, what gives slashdot? Is it because without these two technological titans, the computing revolution we're experiencing today would never have happened.

    I feel sorry for you if you actually believe that.

    Facebook has no real relevance in today's society. People communicated through email and chat boards for decades before Zuckerburg stole the idea of Facebook from his roommate and used it to profit from people's sense of self-importance.

    Microsoft only created a parody of a computing revolution by using unethical business practices to crush competition. Had they been properly penalized by the courts for their behaviour, others would have succeeded. The computing revolution would still have occurred had Microsoft never existed. Remember both Microsoft and Apple stole the concept of a graphical user interface from Xerox Parc.

  40. Re: Why use Tor at all? by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    Modified Miranda for your brave new world:
    You are under arrest for violation of the Thoughts Contrary To The State and Expression of Opinion act. You will remain silent. Anything you say, or that we claim you said can be held against you. You may not consult with an attorney. If you attempt to do so you will be considered guilty as charged.

    --
    The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.