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Google's OnHub Is First WiFi Router To Support IFTTT (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The first router to feature IFTTT support is Google OnHub. IFTTT is an abbreviation of "If This Then That," a free web-based service that can allow users to create "recipes," which are triggered based on changes to other web services such as Gmail, Facebook, Instagram, etc. OnHub's smart features can now connect to the 300-plus programs and apps supported by IFTTT. Google provides some examples in its blog post. For example, you can automatically prioritize Wi-Fi to your Chromecast when it connects to your OnHub network after you plug it in to start binge watching your favorite TV show, or to your Nest Cam when it senses motion or sound after you've exhausted yourself from said binge watching and passed-out on your couch. There's a friendly little video Google put together to explain the feature in detail.

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  1. promised ? by johnjones · · Score: 1

    A promised update to support IPv6

    it has bluetooth but thats not enabled...

    they really need to focus on actual networking...

    1. Re:promised ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actual networking can't be monetized. Selling your QoS decisions to third parties, however, reveals what services you use.

      IPv6? Really? This is 2016: I've had dirt-cheap routers with IPv6 support since forever.

    2. Re:promised ? by Rob+Lister · · Score: 2

      IPv6? Really? This is 2016: I've had dirt-cheap routers with IPv6 support since forever.

      And has actually been used in the home router market since practically never. I would guess that 99.9% of the router buyers out there wouldn't know IPv6 it it bit 'em in the butt. For the remaining .1%, they're not buying this router anyway.

    3. Re: promised ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comcast enabled IPv6 a while back. Apple hardware, including routers (Airport), enables IPv6 by default. That means a lot of Apple owners in Comcast territory are doing IPv6 and don't even know it.

    4. Re: promised ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Comcast enabled IPv6 a while back. Apple hardware, including routers (Airport), enables IPv6 by default. That means a lot of Apple owners in Comcast territory are doing IPv6 and don't even know it.

      And Cox enabled it in December.

      Funny story: Apple routers crash hard when using Dual Stack mode. Guess what method Cox used to enable IPv6 on their network?

    5. Re:promised ? by Lord+Crc · · Score: 1

      IPv6? Really? This is 2016: I've had dirt-cheap routers with IPv6 support since forever.

      Maybe that's what I've done wrong then.

      I've been using a high-end Asus router which only got proper IPv6 support sometime last fall. I'm now using pfSense, which only has limited IPv6 support.

    6. Re: promised ? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Comcast enabled IPv6 a while back. Apple hardware, including routers (Airport), enables IPv6 by default. That means a lot of Apple owners in Comcast territory are doing IPv6 and don't even know it.

      And Cox enabled it in December.

      Funny story: Apple routers crash hard when using Dual Stack mode. Guess what method Cox used to enable IPv6 on their network?

      Perhaps it is actually Cox that has the issue; since they are the only carrier that has this problem.

      Having said that, it appears that the best solution for users of Airport routers on Cox networks (at least for now) is to set the IPv6 configuration to "Link Local Only", which will disable IPv6 for external connections, but still allow OS X (and iOS?) to use IPv6 for intranet traffic (which apparently it does).

  2. Still is overpriced junk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the realm of what it SHOULD be!

    1. Re: Still is overpriced junk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doubt you've ever used one. I'm a network engineer and this is by far the best and easiest to use consumer routers I've ever owned. Not planning on going back to enterprise devices for home networking.

    2. Re: Still is overpriced junk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IT guy here as well. The one thing that disturbs me about this device is the requirement to be connected to a Google account. No, thank you. Google already collects enough about me whilst I meander about the greater WWW. To actually give that data to Google by being logged into a device with my name attached is borderline lunacy -- and I don't even surf porn. I do, however, look at quite a few political sites, loads of stuff on guns, hunting, fishing.

  3. Useless? by omnichad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    automatically prioritize Wi-Fi to your Chromecast when it connects to your OnHub network after you plug it in

    Or you could just leave it always-prioritized, and still have the same end result. Unplugged devices don't use much bandwidth.

    1. Re:Useless? by shawn2772 · · Score: 1

      automatically prioritize Wi-Fi to your Chromecast when it connects to your OnHub network after you plug it in

      Or you could just leave it always-prioritized, and still have the same end result. Unplugged devices don't use much bandwidth.

      Maybe you want to automatically prioritize a different device when the Chromecast isn't connected.

    2. Re:Useless? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Highest priority: Chromecast
      Second highest priority: Different device

      IFTTT is a messy, bloated way of doing the simplest of simple things. It's not surprising that Google's networking device uses it instead of regular, tried-and-true QoS and other features.

    3. Re:Useless? by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2

      Highest priority: Chromecast
      Second highest priority: Different device

      IFTTT is a messy, bloated way of doing the simplest of simple things. It's not surprising that Google's networking device uses it instead of regular, tried-and-true QoS and other features.

      Possibly, but it allows people who wouldn't normally be programming to create solutions based on various services.

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    4. Re: Useless? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      So put it at second priority and you'll get exactly that. The Chromecast bandwidth still won't be getting used if it's unplugged.

    5. Re:Useless? by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And this probably explains why this whole idea was probably dreamed up by an intern who was at Google but didn't know how to program (and full of himself because he was at Google). Google campus is all about having people with no domain knowledge come up with wacky ideas that make no sense to the experts (technical term for this is "disruption").

    6. Re: Useless? by shawn2772 · · Score: 1

      So put it at second priority and you'll get exactly that. The Chromecast bandwidth still won't be getting used if it's unplugged.

      OnHub doesn't have ranked priorities.

    7. Re: Useless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So maybe this should have been their first step instead of IFTTT?

    8. Re:Useless? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

      The prioritization doesn't really seem like the best example for this new functionality. It appears that the most useful trigger is the "on connect" or "on disconnect" notifications of personal devices, and it's really only handy if you already have a crapload of IoT devices hooked up in your home as well that can serve as command targets. Take for instance, an electronic front door lock (what could possibly go wrong there?)... You can have your door automatically unlock when you get home, and lock when you leave, or enable or disable a security system. A lot of the other examples were in the "cute but very gimmicky" sort of category, such as turning on party-style lighting when x number of different phones connect at one time.

      So, mildly interesting, but I'm still not touching IoT crap with a 10' pole until I'm convinced they're taking long-term security and support a bit more seriously.

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    9. Re: Useless? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      What AC said. That's about the most useless sounding form of QoS I've ever heard of. Ranking is very important.

    10. Re:Useless? by Khyber · · Score: 0

      "Maybe you want to automatically prioritize a different device when the Chromecast isn't connected."

      Too stupid to know what QoS is, eh?

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    11. Re:Useless? by skids · · Score: 2

      Prediction: the primary use for this service will be to turn off or close all digital pornography when the girlfriend's cell joins the AP because she pulled up in the driveway.

      And of *course* it's cloud based with no need to be. There'd be no way to sell the metadata to marketers otherwise.

    12. Re: Useless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And door lock will never lock you inside just because your device battery died.

  4. When do they brick it with a firmware update? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given their past track record of course.

    1. Re:When do they brick it with a firmware update? by rahvin112 · · Score: 2

      Right before they abandon it as no longer interesting to the company while leaving everyone with a worthless product because it's cloud dependent, i.e. cannot function without the cloud.

    2. Re:When do they brick it with a firmware update? by fred911 · · Score: 1

      Very few people will find a WiFi router useful that doesn't have network access. I don't know of any hardware sold by Google, rendered useless by their shuttering of services, do you?

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    3. Re:When do they brick it with a firmware update? by rahvin112 · · Score: 2

      Revolv http://www.businessinsider.com...
      There are others, you are perfectly capable of finding them. Don't be a fool. Google abandons products all the time, at least one major product every year that people have depended on.

    4. Re: When do they brick it with a firmware update? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never heard of anyone using irony to emphasize a point, have you?

      Oh I just read the subject line. I guess the joke is on us, friend.

  5. Security concerns? by __roo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've seen occasional questions about IFTTT security issues (link, link, link), but nothing that isn't theoretical or speculative. Seems like there are a lot of avenues for compromising your network security and privacy. I'd love to see some hard facts about IFTTT security.

    1. Re:Security concerns? by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure the company will be absolutely happy to comply.

    2. Re:Security concerns? by zenlessyank · · Score: 2

      There is no security. I think we have already seen that if someone wants to hack you....you're hacked. This is about being able to monitor you enough to do selective propaganda attacks. The more they know about you and your likes, dislikes, and needs , the more they can then choose the forms of advertising etc. to try to sway you into a certain way of thinking that supports their needs. If you think they are helping you then you won't think about the real raping that is happening to you. Social engineering at its finest.

    3. Re:Security concerns? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      your looking for the "If Then, f&ck that" protocol that drops all "suspicious packets".

    4. Re:Security concerns? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      would be better if it were open source so you could run your own back end instead of relying on the 'cloud' where data breaches are not just possible, but it is almost to the point of being inevitable for any given service ... and of course, being able to examine and improve-upon its sources...

  6. If This Then Assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is the same IFTTT that was a total dick to Pinboard.

    https://blog.pinboard.in/2016/03/my_heroic_and_lazy_stand_against_ifttt/

    Covered on Slashdot back on May 29

    1. Re:If This Then Assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Covered on Slashdot back on May 29

      Do you mean it will be covered tomorrow, or did you mean March 29?

    2. Re:If This Then Assholes by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Covered on Slashdot back on May 29

      Do you mean it will be covered tomorrow, or did you mean March 29?

      Dat May in April feeling.

  7. What can go wrong?! by wwalker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sure, let's give more programming power to non-programmers. As if the regular router config options are not already complicated enough for an average person to completely screw things up if they don't know what they are doing. Now you can shoot yourself in the foot in one line or less! Also, I can't wait for IFTTT worms.

    1. Re:What can go wrong?! by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      "Google, make my router prioritize my chromecast above everything else. "
      "Hey, why did all the lights in the neighborhood go out?"

  8. No Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A router from google? Not on my lan!

  9. Not in a million years by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    or to your Nest Cam when it senses motion or sound

    Oh hell no.

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  10. asking for the imposssible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd love to see some hard facts about IFTTT security.

    yeah like you can ever get "hard facts" about computer security.

    the only "hard fact" is that there are no others.

    what a loser

  11. All I ask is this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who is Google/Alphabet going to sell this data to, in order to make a profit?

  12. Happy to listen this by Pain_Center · · Score: 1

    Yes... I am happy to listen this news and for google as well.

  13. Stiching together all these nice, walled gardens by hughbar · · Score: 2

    Soon, it will be unusual to stray outside Google, Amazon, Facebook, eBay etc. unless you are fairly nerdy. This kind of 'product' will keep you where you are 'supposed to be'. As a friend of mine said a couple of years ago 'I used to surf the internet, now I visit sites'. Enough already.

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  14. Shitty spyware router adds support for by BitZtream · · Score: 1

    shitty online service.

    Who cares?

    IFTTT rarely actually does what its supposed to, its a joke at best, obnoxious shit at worst. Stop acting like this is impressive.

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  15. Never trust anyone else's router by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never, ever trust anyone else's router. I have AT&T DSL and I am forced to rent their "residential gateway" to use as my router. I do not trust their device not to snoop on my network and/or traffic, so I put an Rpi behind it to act as a second level, and the RPI VPNs all traffic through a gateway I own on a more trustworthy network. The Rpi is more than sufficient to handle VPN for my paltry 3mbit downstream. That's all I have since I live in the third world country known as the USA.

  16. Re: Experts by keysdisease · · Score: 1

    Expert - shcmexpert. So what if the hoi polloi doesn't know how to code so long as they get to something's with their tech that they find useful or amusing? That is itself helps sell more marginally useful tech and crowd fund even more dubious ideas. Capataism baby.

  17. minor technical troubles to major life troubles by holophrastic · · Score: 2

    When he leaves, the door locks behind him -- because he disconnects. Unless his router has a range of a mile, like many around here. Oh, and so when his phone disconnects from the network, his front door deadbolts -- even if it's wide open, in the middle of a party, when he turns off his phone, or has a connectivity blip.

    If this then that. "this". In real life, "this" is a multi-faceted, intelligence-driven scenario. A recipe uses ingredients to create a product. "this" is a scenario during which to take action. A "scenario" is as complicated as, oh I don't know, every legal agreement that's ever been used to define anything.

    That's what legal agreements are -- A pays B N dollars is the easy part, but when? Ten pages of scenario descriptions and exceptions and how to observe said scenarios.

    If Bob's phone disconnects from the network, when the front door is closed, and no one else is connected, and the lights aren't on, and Bob's phone first connected to the tiny network at the end of the driveway, and Bob isn't gardening today -- I guess his garden spade isn't connected to the network, or is connected to the network in the shed...

    FIguring out if Bob is still home, when "being home" includes the garden, and the garage, but not the neighbour's house, and not the road hockey game, ain't as simple as a network connection. And it's certainly not as simple as a spotty network connection.

    I sure home Bob's party doesn't run out of ice, forcing him to run out to the store to buy a bag, and wind up locking his party guests in his house. Sounds like false imprisonment to me.