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Government Could Ban BBC From Showing Top Shows at Peak Times (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The BBC is on a collision course with the government over reported efforts to bar it from showing popular shows at peak viewing times. The culture secretary, John Whittingdale, is widely expected to ban the broadcaster from going head-to-head with commercial rivals as part of the BBC charter review. He is due to publish a white paper within weeks that will set out a tougher regime as part of a new royal charter to safeguard the service for another 11 years. ITV has complained about licence fee money being used to wage a ratings battle with it and other channels funded by advertising. A source at the BBC said the public would be deeply concerned if it were forced to move programmes such as Strictly Come Dancing, Doctor Who and Sherlock from prime time weekend slots.In some unrelated news, Clarkson, Hammond, and May are still figuring out the name for their new show.

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  1. Typical conservative machinations by barc0001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kill the Beeb's ratings and then they'll claim it can't compete and should be shut down or sold off to one of their cronies for pennies.

    1. Re:Typical conservative machinations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Part of the ongoing plan to kill the BBC.

      Phase 1: Don't allow them to increase the licence fee in line with inflation.
      Phase 2: Make them pay for the World Service, which is of no benefit to licencees.
      Phase 3: Take away the revenue from households that have someone over 70 years of age.
      Phase 4: Stop them from showing popular shows at times when people are likey to want to watch them.
      Phase 5: Shut it down because no-one is watching it any more.
      Phase 6: Everyone pays Rupert Mudoch's ransom for the only good TV left.

    2. Re:Typical conservative machinations by Blue+Stone · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yep, that's their modus operandi alright. They want everything in the hands of their party donors and to rule the UK (or what remains of it) as their personal fiefdom.

      What gets me is how supine the BBC is. Surely they know the person beating them about the head and body daily is going to kill them as soon as they think they can get away with it? Yet they bow and scrape, acquiesce, and attack the Labour party following Lynton Crosby's agenda to the letter.

      George Osborne, the chancellor, apparently wants to take a slice of the Beeb's license fee to prop up the newspaper industry. That'd be the champion of the free market, then, attacking the Beeb which operates on a public service remit by cutting into its revenues and using a bit of corporate socialism to prop up a newspaper industry whose loyalty is to its rich, tax-dodging proprietors and which has little or no interest to fair or balanced reportage (but generally loves the Tories).

      Don't even get me started on the NHS. The Conservative party wants all of the post-war (II) settlement gone to be replaced with rampant inequality.

      The Conservatine party: taking the Great out of Great Britain and selling it off for pennies on the dollar.

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    3. Re: Typical conservative machinations by Malc · · Score: 2

      Good lord if the best ITV can do is X Factor when they're faced with real competition then how shit would they be if the Beeb were neutered? Thank F*** for the Beeb for raising standards. £12.12/month for the license fee is an absolute bargain!

    4. Re:Typical conservative machinations by andymadigan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How's this: Get the BBC to start broadcasting over the internet in the U.S., and *I'll* pay your licence fee for you.

      In fact, if iPlayer + Live TV was available for a monthly fee anywhere in the world, I'll bet BBC would be so flush with cash they could abolish the domestic fee.

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    5. Re:Typical conservative machinations by dbIII · · Score: 2

      What gets me is how supine the BBC is

      Remember the guy on the BBC that debunked the comment that Saddam could attack the UK within minutes? Hounded to suicide. The BBC is that way as a literal survival tactic.


      It's been that way for years apparently. Jimmy Saville spend six Christmases with the Thatcher family which may explain why all those complaints against him and efforts within the BBC to get rid of him came to nothing once they hit the top levels of management. Not being from the UK I'm hearing about it all after the fact, but it's part of a history of interference on many levels.

    6. Re:Typical conservative machinations by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not a citizen of the UK. Not living in the UK. Hell, not even a native English speaker.

      But I'd pay for BBC iPlayer. Easily twice the amount I'd pay for Amazon Prime. The BBC offers opportunities for non mainstream voices to be heard. Comedy, decent science, OK documentaries, reasonably independent news. And I don't care much for other content as I could get that from other sources.

      Yet, I feel I don't fully pay the BBC. One indirect part I pay through the TV license in the country I live in, as they -inevitably- serve BBC content. Another part remains unaccounted for.

      BBC! If you're listening, there are people outside the UK willing to pay for great content which you produce. Allow us to pay for access to your content!

      And while you're at it: Reduce the influence of parasitic outfits wich implement/support artificial partitioning systems with the sole purpose of bleeding money from you. In the modern world you don't need these any longer.

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    7. Re:Typical conservative machinations by mjwx · · Score: 2

      How's this: Get the BBC to start broadcasting over the internet in the U.S., and *I'll* pay your licence fee for you.

      In fact, if iPlayer + Live TV was available for a monthly fee anywhere in the world, I'll bet BBC would be so flush with cash they could abolish the domestic fee.

      The problem is that the Beeb licenses a lot of its TV shows and other content to commercial stations overseas. Also licenses to produce shows locally like Top Gear (US, RIP Top Gear UK) and Dancing With The Stars (based on BBC's Strictly Come Dancing).

      Licensing agreements prevent them from running a competing network, not to mention licensing regulations and fees for each country they operate in.

      Also the BBC operates a lot of local channels in other countries like BBC America or BBC Asia. Granted, BBC America is a commercial supported channel.

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  2. Parents just don't understand... by transami · · Score: 3, Interesting

    the commercial guys don't seem to understand Netflix. No amount of bribing the Goberment is going to save them.

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  3. Re:Prime time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1) Name me a cheap PVR which replicates all video cassette functionality.

    2) Apps / web sites are all less versatile than recording from broadcast.

    3) The point in prime time is to offer something that everyone can watch at once as a social experience, e.g. to get to gether / to chat about the following day. The reason most programming is shit these days is that you don't put as much creative effort into something that's only going to be watched by half a million people instead of half the country.

    tl;dr 100 crap choices are worse than a handful of good ones.

    Anyway, this is just Tories being Tories: the State is something to sell to your friends, and taxes are something to channel to them for on-going maintenance of things that aren't allowed to fail.

  4. ITV still exists? by GreatDrok · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm trying to remember the last programme by ITV that I regularly watched. Last time I looked it was a bunch of generic cheap reality crap. I guess there's Downton Abbey but that's done now. Seriously, ITV made its bed and is now complaining that people don't want to watch crappy shows that get broken up every few mins by adverts. What a shock. The problem for ITV isn't the time the programmes are on, but rather VOD services such as iPlayer meaning people don't sit in front to the TV any more at a specific time and they definitely don't want to watch adverts. ITV Player is a joke by the way. Netflix and iPlayer. Job done.

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    1. Re:ITV still exists? by Fragnet · · Score: 2

      It's not say that is it, it's saying that the competition is unfair because the BBC doesn't have to live or die by its programming, yet it still chooses to compete with commercial television and radio for some bizarre reason.

    2. Re:ITV still exists? by Blue+Stone · · Score: 2

      The Bill used to be the only ITV show I watched without fail. Once they butcherd that then killed it ... nothing.

      ITV is the purveyor of banal, LCD, mass-market mediocrity, and nothing else. They don't even balance it with a bit high-brow stuff these days.

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  5. British TV by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    I just need to know what time Benny Hill comes on.

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  6. It's kind of amusing by John.Banister · · Score: 3, Interesting

    to see the commercial broadcast channels encourage the government to push more viewers towards adopting online viewing. The notion of supporting something that benefits their ecosystem is going to look much better in hindsight. Netflix will be the beneficiary, even if they don't carry the displaced content.

  7. Re: Prime time? by Malc · · Score: 2

    I don't think you can make any judgements about 'nightlife'. I've lived on both continents and find nightlife is however you want to make it. Having moved back to the UK I find the scene much better than the US because nobody (at least in London) drives.

    I've always resented the TV companies in the UK for putting the best things on the box when I'm out. Love the iPlayer though.

  8. Re:Speaking as an American by itsdapead · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is the kind of BS you have to worry about when you have government doing things it shouldn't be doing, like running a national TV network

    Yes, I envy the USA and the wonderful, unbiassed, philanthropic networks run by massive multinational corporations - and the great thing is, freedom of choice: you can choose to watch the network run by the massive multinational corporation who's entrenched interests best represents your interests. Plus, of course, the US networks are famous for never censoring or regulating content.

    Oh, yes, there's public broadcasting in the US. I remember watching a show on one such channel once when visiting the US: it was the original British version of House of Cards (not the Netflix US remake) in which the anti-hero F.U. takes on (and outwits) the King who Didn't Resemble Charles At All... the US channel actually prefaced it with a little lecture about the evils of monarchy* just in case any USA viewers started rooting for the King (because although F.U. was an evil, corrupt murdering bastard, he had been democratically elected after democratically murdering/smearing/blackmailing his opponents). Not sure which sponsor had insisted on that little rider. (NB: the UK monarch doesn't actually get to run the country - I'm still not a fan, but we need the tourism and the alternative would probably be to outsource the whole bunch to Disney who'd be far more likely to interfere with running the country)

    Anyway, at least PBS doesn't run those adverts telling you how wonderful it is that you get to watch adverts because they protect your right to choose products made by the companies that can afford the most adverts (seriously - Philip K Dick would be proud. This was some years ago, are they still running?)

    NB: The government doesn't run the BBC, but every 10 years or so they get the chance to re-write the charter under which it operates. That's what's happening at the moment - and the current government would quite like to shut it down to keep their friends in big media companies happy. You can tell the government doesn't run the BBC because if they did they'd have already shut it down.

    * Citation needed, I know, but it was a while ago and the bruise where my jaw hit the floor has long gone. It was certainly a "did that just happen?" moment.

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  9. collision course... by axewolf · · Score: 2

    The BBC is on a collision course with the government like my nose is on a collision course with my face

  10. Re:Speaking as an American by cardpuncher · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is the kind of BS you have to worry about when you have government doing things it shouldn't be doing, like running a national TV network

    You're right about "government doing things it shouldn't be doing". The BBC is established under a Royal Charter which is supposed to make it a public institution independent of the government of the day. However, governments of the day have never really been able to keep their hands off - from widespread security vetting of BBC staff, heavy-handed threats relating to programs on defence and security issues through to the latest plundering of the TV licence revenue to fund welfare and broadband iniatives at the cost of programming (including one TV channel lost).

    The government is supposed to leave running the BBC's national TV networks (and radio networks) to the BBC, but the BBC has always been supine in the face of government pressure (partly because the government can, in the end, turn off the money and partly because its oversight board is stuffed with government appointees many of whom are looking forward to their next sinecure) with the inevitable consequence that each demand is more onerous than the last.

  11. BBC is proof... by Martin+S. · · Score: 2

    The BBC is one example of the Public Sector beating the Private sector hands down, the NHS is another. This is why the Tories are trying to cripple it.

    You must also remember who Whittingdale is, this is the guy who had his shenanigans and hypocrisy covered up by Sky/News International because he is one of their own and going after the BBC for them.