Slashdot Mirror


Greenpeace Leaks Big Part Of Secret TTIP Documents (bbc.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The environmental group Greenpeace has obtained 248 pages of classified documents from the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) trade talks. The group warns EU standards on the environment and public health risk being undermined by compromises with the US, specifically that US corporations may erode Europe's consumer protections. The TTIP would "harmonize regulations across a huge range of business sectors, providing a boost to exporters on both sides of the Atlantic," writes the BBC. After the Greenpeace leak was published, EU Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmstroem said in her blog, "I am simply not in the business of lowering standards." Meanwhile, Greenpeace EU director Jorgo Riss said, "These leaked documents confirm what we have been saying for a long time: TTIP would put corporations at the center of policy-making, to the detriment of environment and public health." You can be the judge for yourself. The leaked documents are available for download here.

17 of 136 comments (clear)

  1. Since the TPP and TTIP are often mentioned togethr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The EFF has a great write up on how the TPP (the trans pacific partnership, another one of these shitpile laws) will affect anyone even remotely interested in technology. It's a great link to send around to anyone who's thinking "I'm not in manufacturing, why should I care?"

    It's bad, folks. And even worse because in summer 2015, before the election, before both the GOP (!) and Dem candidate came out against the TPP, Obama fought and beat back his own party to get fast track authority for approval, meaning now it's way easier for it to get approved, with no ability to strip out the bad parts or filibuster against it.

  2. Re:Could be anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And there are people like yourself that see conspiracies everywhere. Sorry to tell you that the information leaked is probably accurate and most likely doesn't tell the entire story of how awful TTIP will be for the average consumer.

  3. Cecilia Malmström by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    is in the business of pushing the TTIP through. At any price. There's a lot of talk about how it would increase exports in both directions, but when the single directed economic force that the U.S is meets the EU's myriad of smaller economic forces pushing in their own direction, then the outcome will only favor the U.S and its corporations.

    The inevitable and intended outcome of the TTIP is a single US-EU economy dictated by U.S corporations, wholly favoring the U.S. The EU is in control of its own economies today, but the TTIP would change that. The EU MUST reject the TTIP to remain in control of its own economies.

  4. Why is no one asking the obvious question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Serious question: Why is any part of a multi national trade deal classified information ? Why is this even a thing? No one has mentioned one single sound reason at any level of discourse why any of this is classified. I do not live under a rock but maybe I should.

    1. Re:Why is no one asking the obvious question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What is even more sad is we have to find out not from law enforcement or our gov officials doing the right thing. We are finding out thru leaks.

      If you are hiding something like this behind 'classified' criteria then you probably are doing something you shouldnt be.

    2. Re:Why is no one asking the obvious question by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Why is any part of a multi national trade deal classified information ?

      The answer to that is classified. :-)

      You mean you don't trust a government where the FBI director wants expanded law enforcement access to encrypted data but yet still has the gall to make laws in secret?

      What are you? A commie for pointing out the government officials are hypocrites? :-)

      --
      First Contact is coming ~2022. Are you ready for a larger perspective?

  5. Re:Environmental damage is fungible by PRMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the harmonization were UP, then that would be true. But it's more like lowering the rest of us back toward Chinese levels.

    --
    Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
  6. Re: Not saying there isn't a problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Republicans hate us and want us to die.

  7. Re:Since the TPP and TTIP are often mentioned toge by hguorbray · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and once again, like with User Privacy and 'Safe Harbors' for Personal Data it may be up to the EU to save us from the 'Land of the Free' (tm)

    -I'm just sayin'

  8. Re:Could be anything by plopez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There actually is a conspiracy, corporations vs. humans.

    --
    putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
  9. Re:Since the TPP and TTIP are often mentioned toge by plopez · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is it funny? Is it funny when your government is corrupt and works against you?

    --
    putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
  10. Re:Not saying there isn't a problem... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Focusing on the messenger and ignoring the message doesn't make it any less valid.

    i.e.

    Why the fucks was TPP signed in secret in the first place??

  11. Basic problem by mdsolar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Agreement let's corporation sue governments for doing their job and win every time. Makes corporations sovereign and governments unable to act on behalf of their citizens.

  12. Translation, please by jenningsthecat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    FTA:
    The TTIP would "harmonize regulations across a huge range of business sectors, providing a boost to exporters on both sides of the Atlantic"...

    Translation:
    The TTIP would "gut governmental control and oversight in as many business sectors as we can get away with, putting even more power in the hands of corporations and further screwing over average citizens on both sides of the Atlantic..."

    It's amazing how much longer that sentence becomes when you look past the Orwellian euphemisms to what's really being said.

    --
    'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
  13. Re:Not saying there isn't a problem... by ADRA · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Greenpeace is a group of eco-terrorists? Even by America's stretch of 'terrorism', that much seems a stretch. I'm all about the attirbution though, so if they've commited acts of terror and somehow slipping through the bungling fingers of the FBI, I'd be glad for the clarification.

    --
    Bye!
  14. Re: Not saying there isn't a problem... by servies · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When I see violence and Greenpeace in one sentence, it's always used against them...

  15. Re:Could be anything by prefec2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Your argument is nuts. But lets assume it is not. The easiest way to defeat the claims made by Greenpeace would be to release the present state of results.