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Prince Quietly Helped Launch a Coding Program For Inner City Youth (qz.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Though many would say Prince changed the world through his music, the artist also took a hands-on approach to changing the world beyond music. The global superstar was the inspiration behind YesWeCode, an Oakland nonprofit, which works to help young people from minority backgrounds enter the tech world. The idea for the program came from a conversation between Prince and his friend Van Jones, who heads Rebuild the Dream charity, following the 2012 shooting of teenager Travoyn Martin. "Prince said, 'A black kid wearing a hoodie might be seen as a thug. A white kid wearing a hoodie might be seen as a Silicon Valley genius. Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mark Zuckerberg.'" Jones told CNN. The program is aiming to teach 100,000 low-income non-white teenagers how to write code, and was launched at the 20th Anniversary Essence Festival in New Orleans in 2014.

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  1. Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mark Z by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mark Zuckerberg.

    Teach all those Ivy League/Government Intelligence/Google interpersonal networking connections that one is typically born into?

    I'd love to learn that one as well.

  2. Eh, bad example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mark Zuckerberg"

    So, thugs?

    1. Re:Eh, bad example by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      "Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mark Zuckerberg"

      So, thugs?

      I figured it meant teach them how to make huge piles of imaginary money while pushing the productivity of this nation off a cliff and convincing people that they should give up for free private information that companies will make money off of.

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    2. Re:Eh, bad example by istartedi · · Score: 1

      A thug who walks up to you on a dark street, sticks a gun in your back and says "give me all your personal information".

      The victim says nervously "Or... or... what?"

      "I'll make something that you and all your stupid friends can't resist spending a lot of time on, and then I'll take it away."

      "OK Sir".

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    3. Re:Eh, bad example by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Sounds about right.

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  3. how to be like Mark Zuckerberg?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think so! Homey ain't no asshole! Homey don't do that!

  4. Teach kids to be like Mark Z by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Because the tech industry doesn't have enough self-absorbed dousche bags as it is.

  5. And he made them pancakes afterwards! by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

    He was amazing!

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  6. That's nothing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Prince Quietly Helped Launch a Coding Program For Inner City Youth "

    I heard he could heal the sick and raise the dead.

    He was awesome.

    1. Re:That's nothing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And he was about to announce the Great Unified Theory and Cold Fusion [this time for real]. Yeah, great mind. How the hell we didn't see it coming?

  7. Wow, Prince was racist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I knew he was one of those Republican sympathizers, but this goes over the line into Nazi territory. Saying someone should die because of their racist is known to most people as something that is racist. Only a Republican would argue otherwise.

  8. How the F*** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    How the hell is this acceptable?
    "The program is aiming to teach 100,000 low-income non-white teenagers how to write code"
    This is racist, pure and simple. If it was just low-income, fine. If it was just low-income teenagers, fine. If it's low-income teenagers from certain economically devastated cities, fine. But if it's only for non-white teens, that is the definition of racism.

    1. Re:How the F*** by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Informative

      But if it's only for non-white teens, that is the definition of racism.

      You're absolutely right. White minority students in California (a minority-majority state) wouldn't qualify for this program.

    2. Re:How the F*** by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1, Troll

      Because, certain groups are incapable of bigotry.

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    3. Re:How the F*** by dywolf · · Score: 1

      No. Yours is merely another form of the argument that granting equal rights to minority groups deprived of those rights is somehow actually granting that minority special rights, because now the non-minority group is no longer advantaged over the minority.

      Structural racism exists and severely disadvantages these minority students.
      Correcting that distortion, undoing that structural racism, is not then racist itself.

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    4. Re:How the F*** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      idk who the fuck modded you down but you couldn't be more right.

      The only thing that will get a non-white person branded a racist these days is reasonably successful attempts at genocide.

    5. Re:How the F*** by dywolf · · Score: 0

      Misleading deflection.

      Correcting structural racism is not itself prejudiced.
      What would be prejudiced is fighting or arguing to maintain that structural racism and keep it intact.

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    6. Re:How the F*** by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      On the bright side, California is now instituting affirmative action programs so that white students can now get admitted to the UC system, which before was filled entirely with Asians!

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    7. Re:How the F*** by MrTester · · Score: 1

      Oh. OK.
      So any program that aims to get women into math and science is sexist because its not helping men get in?

    8. Re: How the F*** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And hopefully it keeps the niggers out, because they have nothing to contribute without receiving a handout.

    9. Re:How the F*** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cite the laws which discriminate against minorities.
      Cite proof that there's a conspiracy among white people to discriminate against minorities.

      What's that? You have no proof and you just want to brow beat everyone to get your meal ticket? That's what I thought, you self-righteous ass hole.

    10. Re:How the F*** by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      You're absolutely right. White minority students in California (a minority-majority state) wouldn't qualify for this program.

      So convince some shit-kicking country superstar to fund a program in low-income white communities. Maybe you can convince Kid Rock if you can wake him.

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    11. Re:How the F*** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But stating that some groups are eligible for something and others are not is not correcting structural racism, it's merely switching the target of it. As long as "correcting" something involves putting somebody else at a disadvantage, there can never be hope of eliminating it.

    12. Re:How the F*** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it is racist, but realistically we're not at a point where forcing Prince's "help black kids learn to code" program to accept white kids as well is going to help racial inequality. So it's not a huge priority to make a big deal out of it.

    13. Re:How the F*** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So any program that aims to get men into math and science is sexist because its not helping women get in?

    14. Re:How the F*** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      two wrongs don't make a right.

    15. Re:How the F*** by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      It is NOT misleading deflection. I've been told on MANY occasions, that any bigotry by special classes is in fact "earned" and thus "not bigotry". When people of that protected minority can say, do and be expressly anti white, and get a pass on virtually all of it (encourage it in music etc), it is also evidence that is not just a few people believing it, but a large part.

      Look, I realize there are bigots out there. And color of skin doesn't stop bigotry, there are white bigots, black bigots, Hispanic bigots, Asian bigots and so on. And when you DO NOT call it for what it is, when you see it, you are just saying it is okay. The simple fact is "Certain Groups are incapable of bigotry" is a sarcastic response to the idea that whites, male, heterosexuals are the sole cause of all the ills in the world. This is bigotry of the left.

      Revenge bigotry is still bigotry, and doesn't reduce it at all. Fight bigotry, you must fight ALL forms of it, just not the kinds you don't like.

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    16. Re:How the F*** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's some impressive doublethink you've got going there.

    17. Re:How the F*** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're told a lot of things. You say a lot of things.

      Probably they're both full of bullshit.

      Here's the hint: You're not interested in actually correcting any problems, you're just looking for an excuse to not be responsible.

    18. Re:How the F*** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he says its for whites only, he'd be strung up on the spot.

    19. Re:How the F*** by dave420 · · Score: 0

      This is what happens when society gets itself some bad habits. In order to redress the balance, things like this are necessary. Remember this isn't about making non-white people better than white people, but providing them some strong support to attempt to level the playing field.

      If you can't see that there is a modicum of logic and need behind this, then I feel sorry for you.

    20. Re:How the F*** by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Hate begets hate. Let me know when bigotry leads to love. You are excusing hate on one side, not realizing hate begets hate. The only answer is to denounce hate and bigotry for everyone, equally, starting now. Not supporting bigotry because of some past wrongs.

      Or, as my daddy used to say, "Two wrongs don't make it right" My addition is "Two wrongs is worse the one".

      I hate bigots, and I don't give a shit what their color, creed or sexuality is. Bigotry is nasty and evil. All of it.

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    21. Re:How the F*** by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      But you're also the one excusing the soft bigotry of low (or non-existent) expectations. Lets raise the bar, instead of just moving it to a new location.

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    22. Re: How the F*** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So any program that aims to get ONLY black people into math and science is sexist because its not helping white people get in?

    23. Re: How the F*** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Racist*

  9. next needed: "from poor backgrounds" by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    >> young people from minority backgrounds enter the tech world

    The whole "special access due to skin color/gender" bit is getting a bit old, when what's really probably needed is "special access to people from impoverished backgrounds." When you've never seen anyone in your family working in a corporate office, it's a little hard to see understand what a career in IT/legal/other-cushy-white-collar-job could be, and there are plenty of "non-minority" kids stuck in that world too.

    1. Re:next needed: "from poor backgrounds" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then start your own program doing that.

    2. Re:next needed: "from poor backgrounds" by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 0

      >> Then start your own program doing that.

      "Separate but equal" then?

    3. Re:next needed: "from poor backgrounds" by Alomex · · Score: 1

      I agree. Right after desegregation things were so dire and discrimination so prevalent that color of the skin was a rather efficient and good proxy for "person who has suffered untold amounts of discrimination". Today an impoverished background is a much better proxy for the group of people we are trying to reach. In the end blacks would still be the main beneficiaries since they are over-represented among the lower classes, but at least this way we no longer need to classify people by the color of their skin, which in itself is a rather racist thing to do.

    4. Re:next needed: "from poor backgrounds" by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      "Separate but equal" then?

      That's a government concept in the law. Doesn't apply to private citizens donating money to charity to help a segment of society.

    5. Re:next needed: "from poor backgrounds" by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

      The quote refers to the pivotal case of Plessy v. Ferguson in 1896, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that racially separate facilities, if equal, did not violate the Constitution. Segregation, the Court said, was not discrimination. (http://americanhistory.si.edu/brown/history/1-segregated/separate-but-equal.html)

      See also: Allen v. Wright - In 1984 the Internal Revenue Service denied tax-exempt status to racially discriminatory private schools (charities?) and established guidelines for determining whether particular schools were racially nondiscriminatory. (http://www.lawnix.com/cases/allen-wright.html)

    6. Re: next needed: "from poor backgrounds" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of which applies here, dipshit. God damn, you internet lawyers are the fucking worst.

    7. Re:next needed: "from poor backgrounds" by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      None of these court decisions prevents me as a private citizen from donating money to a charity that helps low-income, minority students.

    8. Re:next needed: "from poor backgrounds" by hey! · · Score: 2

      I agree we should focus more on economic class, but black people do still face a variety of discrimination. Insofar as this holds them back economically then class oriented programs will benefit them disproportionately, but this doesn't mean a program which targets blacks is necessarily bad.

      When minorities begin to raise their status, they set their sights on the kinds of high status, high paying jobs you see in the media; doctors, lawyers, and so on. This means they remain under-represented longer in professions like engineering that aren't very exciting to the kind of people who are TV showrunners or movie producers. That's not to say there haven't been outstanding minority engineers all along, but as a white anglo you're much more likely to have an engineer in your family who is a role model, maybe helped you with a school or scouting project.

      So trying to bring more minorities into professions like engineering (or, I suppose, accounting) where they're under-represented has value in building a world where everyone is more likely to find some kind of employment that really suits him. Sure, if you had to choose only one factor to address, you'd choose socioeconomic class. But you don't have to choose just one.

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    9. Re:next needed: "from poor backgrounds" by locotx · · Score: 1

      LOW-INCOME is the key word . . .

    10. Re:next needed: "from poor backgrounds" by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >> as a white anglo you're much more likely to have an (white collar professional) in your family who is a role model

      That's exactly the assumption I'm challenging. I think this association cleaves closer to economic lines than racial ones. In the boonies you're likely to find a lot of "white anglo" family groups without a single college education. If you ignore them long enough, you end up with Trump voters, or worse. :)

    11. Re:next needed: "from poor backgrounds" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but as a white anglo you're much more likely to have an engineer in your family who is a role model, maybe helped you with a school or scouting project.

      And if you don't, piss off? Black people are more likely to be criminals; should we treat every black person like one?

    12. Re:next needed: "from poor backgrounds" by hey! · · Score: 1

      People like you never see any other alternatives than "piss off".

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    13. Re:next needed: "from poor backgrounds" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, and thats fine! You just need to acknowledge it is as racist as everyone accuses all white people to be.

      If you base something off of the color of ones skin it is inherently racist. If you wish to donate to that then fine! Just remember it makes you as racist as the people who run white only things.

    14. Re:next needed: "from poor backgrounds" by crimson30 · · Score: 1

      The whole "special access due to skin color/gender" bit is getting a bit old, when what's really probably needed is "special access to people from impoverished backgrounds."

      What's so bad about "special access due to aptitude"?

    15. Re:next needed: "from poor backgrounds" by robinsc · · Score: 1

      "but this doesn't mean a program which targets blacks is necessarily bad." - The problem is that any form of discrimination will lead to class inequality in the long run. It has already happened here in India where many Brahmins a caste who were once on top of the pile are now living in poverty as they have no access to government grants, cushy seats and reserved educations that is given to almost everyone else. Only economic criteria is truly race and gender bias free and hence is the only one that ensures the good of those who need the help the most. When we let slip this criteria by any small amount we let in a vicious cycle that depends on politicians who sense an easy vote bank and will keep giving and giving concessions till the general category becomes a minority ...

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  10. Clearly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the solution is racist comments that paint every white kid as privileged.

    Racism is bad, and it's no better when it's racism against white people which seems to be the new trend.

    1. Re:Clearly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      A Guide to White Privilege For White People Who Think They’ve Never Had Any
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

    2. Re:Clearly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of them didn't have any, and a SJW article by a clueless idiot doesn't change that.

    3. Re:Clearly... by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      A Guide to White Privilege For White People Who Think They’ve Never Had Any http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

      Sorry but
      1. It is from the the Huffingtonpost

      2. It is essentially a book review from a biased author.

      3. White privilege implies that it is something bestowed on someone by other people. If you want to treat people equally then stop separating people based on ethnicity.

      4. I am not an American. I am a Canadian and a first generation immigrant who happens to be "white" but I experienced discrimination from the "English" when I was in my early grades in school. I also did not grow up with a silver spoon in my mouth. My parents worked hard for what we had.

      Basically, this white privilege stuff is an American invention. You guys need to get out of the 18th century already.

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    4. Re:Clearly... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      I am not an American. I am a Canadian and a first generation immigrant who happens to be "white"

      Nobody cares, brah. You come from a place that would be speaking German right now if it wasn't for Americans. Shut the fuck up.

      Basically, this white privilege stuff is an American invention.

      Basically, this white privilege stuff is an American invention.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonialism

      It's a good thing you went to Canada instead of the US. Up there, it's sparsely populated enough that maybe nobody will notice how pig-ignorant you are.

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    5. Re:Clearly... by kuzb · · Score: 2

      ...and what is America mostly comprised of? Europeans who colonized America. Don't feel bad though, Canada is pretty much the same in that regard.

      But really, colonization and white privilege are not the same thing, so your pseudo-intellectualism falls on its face. "White Privilege" hasn't been an actual problem in Canada or the US for decades but a few special interest groups want to keep it alive because it grants them privileges most of us don't have.

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    6. Re:Clearly... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      But really, colonization and white privilege are not the same thing

      Really? They are exactly the same thing.

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    7. Re:Clearly... by kuzb · · Score: 2

      No, they are not. Try to keep up. Colonialism is when one political power establishes itself in another country that is not its own. This process may include inequality towards one or more indigenous peoples but it doesn't need to, that's just historically the by-product. Colonialism does not specifically imply "white privilege".

      In fact you see the same thing happening all over with non-whites. East Indians do it all the time. So do the Chinese. They move to a country in large numbers, congregate in specific areas, and then exert political and cultural influence.

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    8. Re:Clearly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL you're a fucking idiot.

    9. Re:Clearly... by tepples · · Score: 1

      If you want to treat people equally then stop separating people based on ethnicity.

      Tell that to white police officers who disproportionately arrest people of color for nonviolent offenses.

  11. Strange wording by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1, Funny

    The program is aiming to teach 100,000 low-income non-white teenagers how to write code,

    I guess poor white people don't matter? What if we changed that from "non-white" to non-black? Non-Mexican? Or non-gay? That would suddenly make this program racist or homophobic.

    The way we've been treating each other in the US or on the planet, for that matter, has been embarrassing for most of my life as far as I can tell. But the recent trends do not give me much hope. It's a step in a different direction, but I'm not entirely sure it's a good one, just different.

    1. Re:Strange wording by kuzb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, you can be sure it's not a good one. The people perpetrating this garbage don't want to be equal - they want to be superior.

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    2. Re:Strange wording by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      How about "non-Asian"? The Beaverton teen robotics team that one honors at the International Robotics competition got their picture in the paper. 14 high school students. One token redhead; the rest were all Chinese or Indian. Probably most of the were the children of Intel employees.

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    3. Re:Strange wording by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Any kind of racism is about some faction of a society defined by real or imagined racial characteristics feeling inherently superior, universally without any factual basis.

      To be fair, the article says it is about supporting minorities, so they may have actually non-racist goals, and the Prince-quote is likely taken out of context.

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  12. I like Prince but. by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1. A white kid walking around at night in a hoodie looks like a thug also. He does not look like a tech billionaire.
    2. All low income kids need help regardless of race.
    3. Sure programing and tech can be a good way to make a living but studies have shown that people that go to vocational schools leave school with jobs and little debt.

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    1. Re:I like Prince but. by unimacs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1. Prejudice based on skin color and clothing is a real thing. Pretending it's not doesn't make the problem go away.

      2.There is a significant wage gap between white and black people. A larger percentage of black people live in poverty. That is not something in dispute. African-American culture is a subset or even a distinct American culture on its own. What may very well prove successful with one group of low income people may not work as well with another. Trying to help one group of people doesn't stop anyone from helping another group.

      3. Teaching valuable skills is a good thing whether it's in a vocational or college setting.

    2. Re:I like Prince but. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry friend.

      The number of white dudes randomly shot by police is far far far lower than the number of black dudes shot by police for reasons.

      If you look at the percentage, the situation is even worse.

      If you get pulled over and think "crap, my insurance rates might go up" congratulations, you're white and don't think about all the other things that could happen to you.

      If instead you think "Do exactly everything right and get the heck out of this situation without getting arrested or worse" well, sorry, welcome to america, or probably plenty of other places.

    3. Re:I like Prince but. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      1. A white kid walking around at night in a hoodie looks like a thug also. He does not look like a tech billionaire.

      https://i.imgur.com/PKaUWZu.jp...

      2. All low income kids need help regardless of race.

      And Prince used his own money to help a certain group of those kids. You got a problem with that?

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    4. Re:I like Prince but. by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      1. A white kid walking around at night in a hoodie looks like a thug also. He does not look like a tech billionaire.

      Yeah but a White kid in a hoodie has Zuck as a role model (And I managed to say that with a straight face) or any number of tech startups.
      A Black kid in a hoodie does not have similar role models .. so there is a difference there.

      2. All low income kids need help regardless of race.
      3. Sure programing and tech can be a good way to make a living but studies have shown that people that go to vocational schools leave school with jobs and little debt.

      I agree with you on those points, however Blacks are proportionally in poverty at a much higher rate than whites (on average 2 1/2 times across the entire US) so it will require extra effort to balance that out.

      Finally you have to give Prince props for doing something he cared about and not making some big "look at me!!, look at me!!" fuss about it.

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    5. Re:I like Prince but. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And being Zuckerberg has more to do with tricking people into making bad privacy decisions and then selling the resulting personal info to the highest bidder.

    6. Re:I like Prince but. by Reverberant · · Score: 1

      1. A white kid walking around at night in a hoodie looks like a thug also. He does not look like a tech billionaire. 2. All low income kids need help regardless of race.

      We've been hearing for years that blacks need to take responsibility to uplift themselves and not depend on others to help out. So a prominent black millionaire takes it upon himself to uplift other blacks and the response is basically "hey, why isn't he helping other people"? Sigh.

    7. Re:I like Prince but. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. A white kid walking around at night in a hoodie looks like a thug also. He does not look like a tech billionaire.

      Yes, this man is frightening indeed. Certainly not a tech billionaire.

    8. Re:I like Prince but. by Pluvius · · Score: 1

      African-American culture is a subset or even a distinct American culture on its own. What may very well prove successful with one group of low income people may not work as well with another.

      Yes, for black students to succeed they very much need courses that are separate from, but equal to the courses that white students take.

      Rob

    9. Re:I like Prince but. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but call a spade a spade. Excluding someone based upon the color of their skin is text book racism. You want to be racist? GO FOR IT. I DON'T CARE. Don't stand there and try to tell me your shit doesn't stink though.

    10. Re:I like Prince but. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, for black students to succeed they very much need courses that are <strike>[...]</strike> equal to the courses that white students take.

      FTFY

    11. Re:I like Prince but. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      If someone did the same thing but excluded african-americans would you have a problem with that?

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    12. Re:I like Prince but. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      1. Most kids walking around in hoodies have no idea who Zuckerberg is.

      2. "I agree with you on those points, however Blacks are proportionally in poverty at a much higher rate than whites (on average 2 1/2 times across the entire US) so it will require extra effort to balance that out."
        So if you help all kids in poverty more of help will go to people of African descent than white kids because more of them need help.

      "Finally you have to give Prince props for doing something he cared about and not making some big "look at me!!, look at me!!" fuss about it."
      What I do not like is the them vs us mentality. If a rich white guy invested money to help poor white kids people would be screaming racist, and they would be right to do so.

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    13. Re:I like Prince but. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      If someone did the same thing but excluded african-americans would you have a problem with that?

      Nobody's being "excluded". These are programs for the inner city, which happen to be predominantly minority.

      If you haven't noticed, the white suburbs already have programs that are designed to help them succeed. They are called, "good schools with big budgets".

      White men who complain about programs targeted at minorities, crying, "Where's MINE??" don't seem to realize that they've had theirs all along. It's really rather ugly and pitiful.

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    14. Re:I like Prince but. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "Nobody's being "excluded". These are programs for the inner city, which happen to be predominantly minority."

      Funny but this is from the summary.
      "Jones told CNN. The program is aiming to teach 100,000 low-income non-white teenagers how to write code, and was launched at the 20th Anniversary Essence Festival in New Orleans in 2014."

      Sounds like it is excluding people to me. Maybe the person that was being interviewed meant inner-city teens but the statement seems to exclude white low income teens.

      I actually think that programs that help low income and at risk youth are great things. I do not like any racism and that is what this sounds like. I was luck in that I was not from a low income family but I had friends of all races that are low income and could use help.

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    15. Re:I like Prince but. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I do not like any racism

      Don't believe you. I'm not sure you can even understand how racism works. There is no such thing as racism against white people. If there should ever be racism against white people, then we have something to discuss.

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    16. Re:I like Prince but. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Really? Do you think that nobody hates a white person just because they are white?
      Hating someone because of their race is racism.

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    17. Re:I like Prince but. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      No, and no.

      As I said, you don't understand how racism works.

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    18. Re:I like Prince but. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Is english not your first language?
      First you said, "Nobody's being "excluded". These are programs for the inner city, which happen to be predominantly minority."

      And then I showed you where it did say that low income white kids were being excluded here, "Jones told CNN. The program is aiming to teach 100,000 low-income non-white teenagers how to write code, and was launched at the 20th Anniversary Essence Festival in New Orleans in 2014."

      Then you said, " There is no such thing as racism against white people"
      And I answered, "Really? Do you think that nobody hates a white person just because they are white?
      Hating someone because of their race is racism."

      And you answered no and no which does not make any sense. Are you saying hating someone because of their race is not racism? If so I would have to disagree.
      Now if you want to state that their is no such thing as institutional and systematic racism against white people in the US then I would have to say your are more or less correct. I would say that it is very rare. However a project that excludes anyone based on race is racist.
      Otherwise the only logic I see in your replies is, "This program is not racist because I am not racist and I think this program is a good thing". While self consistent it lacks any supporting facts.

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    19. Re:I like Prince but. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      And then I showed you where it did say that low income white kids were being excluded here, "Jones told CNN. The program is aiming to teach 100,000 low-income non-white teenagers how to write code, and was launched at the 20th Anniversary Essence Festival in New Orleans in 2014."

      "Aiming at" minorities is not the same as excluding whites.

      Are you saying hating someone because of their race is not racism?

      Yes, it's not necessarily racism. Racism implies a power structure. Oppressor/oppressed and all that. I don't believe that it's possible in the United States to be racist against white people. If we lived in a racially neutral society, then maybe you'd have an argument. Here's someone who explains it well:

      http://www.dailydot.com/opinio...

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    20. Re:I like Prince but. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      No that is not the definition of racism.
      http://www.merriam-webster.com... .
      and here
      http://www.oxforddictionaries....
      Really aiming at is not the same as excluding? So a college aiming at recruiting white people is not racist?
      If you exchange the word non-white for non-black, non-hispanic, and or non-asian it is without a doubt that it would be seen as a racist statement so it is racist.
      You're are making up your own definition that fits your worldview, show me a definition from a reputable source aka a dictionary that is used in universities that support your statement. Even with your definition Prince by way of his fame and money is part of a power structure so it would still apply. Targeting a specific race and or races is racism and it does not matter if that targeting is to do something good or bad for them. Supplying money to help low-income inner city schools is a great idea and yes it would tend to help minorities the most and that is fine. I will say that I live in South Florida and while there are some inner city areas that need help the rural areas often have large populations of low income people of all races and they are often overlooked.
      And for all I know Prince was told it was to help low-income kids and the head of the program is the only one to blame for the racist statement about the project.

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  13. is this thing even on? by nimbius · · Score: 1, Informative

    Listen, as one of your duly enshrined plutocratic oligarchs its my duty to insist upon you coding. Code. Do it. Come one come all and learn the code. Seriously it wasnt this hard to get you to start eating fried processed chicken "nuggets" or pick up another credit card, and yet here we are toeing the line again. Weve installed "code" into all your pop culture, even the prince, in a very transparent attempt to get you start doing this for us. We've even taken the initiative to market gender-specific coding pitches to males and females, as you've grown so fond of for everything from food to deodorant. Code is in your movies, your TV series, your cartoons, and your social media. The faster you start coding, the faster we can get to shuffling "programmer" and "system engineer" back to the bottom of the dung heap of salaried wageslave positions.

    Im serious. im getting really tired of dealing responsibly and reasonably with employed programmers and sysops just because they have 4 job offers at any given time to pick from. I want..no..I need a world where I can get up at 10 AM, shit on a man for screwing up an egg mcmuffin, and then turn around and with the same disregard for humanity shit on a man for arguing the need for patching before features. Its just what ive become.

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    1. Re:is this thing even on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want you to run for president. Seriously.

    2. Re:is this thing even on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously. We've already poured a ton of public money into helping people learn to code. More than enough knowledge to do it, more than any person could use in a lifetime.

      It's totally free and it's called a LIBRARY.

  14. the curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    * How to code up guns to shoot other blacks
    * How to write code to steal from people
    * How to make code run from the police
    * How to make code that never runs any jobs

    1. Re:the curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, did you come up with that all by yourself? Better get down to the booth and vote for Drumpf... if you're old enough..

  15. Re: Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mark by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Only if you're not white. We have enough rich white bastards, we need more diversity among the rich bastards.

    Beats me why, but I keep hearing good things 'bout it.

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  16. Quietly? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Doesn't seem so quiet if it makes the news.

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    1. Re:Quietly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't seem so quiet if it makes the news.

      Two years later.

    2. Re:Quietly? by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

      Quiet as in nobody bragged about Prince's philanthropy before his death, but now that he is being beatified, everybody wants to talk about what a great person he was.

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    3. Re:Quietly? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That's normal. I remember an artist that managed to gain international fame but was eventually all but forgotten around here who said in one of his songs "do I have to die to live?"

      Yes he did. Not even a month after his death his records topped the charts again and there were roads and places named after him.

      People are odd. It seems we like our role models dead.

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    4. Re:Quietly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, it was done with the actual intention to help the people rather than plastering it all around social media and the news with the intent to only help the person/company sponsoring it. How often do you follow up on proposals to see of the people actually carried them out a year later? Anyone saying they're going to do something without first doing it is worth ignoring.

    5. Re:Quietly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was his normal speaking voice, you insensitive clod!

  17. Just like Oskar Schindler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Remember that scene in Schindler's List where Schindler is fraught thinking how many more Jews he could have saved if he had used his money more wisely?

    That's Prince except its lame ass inner-city projects that he could have funded with all the blow he stuck up his nose. And he wasn't fraught. And considering his self professed Christian faith he was a colossal fucking hypocrite of the first order.

    1. Re:Just like Oskar Schindler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The dude was awesome. Shut up.

    2. Re:Just like Oskar Schindler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what have you done? also Christian faith is one of accepting your human flaws while trying to be a better person everyday aka be more Christ like; a Christian isn't suppose to judge people but to try to provide a example through their works. But since Christians are human we don't and we are inherently flawed we don't always live up to that standard.

    3. Re:Just like Oskar Schindler by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well, Schindler did this for the first time and under extreme risk and pressure. He had to figure it out as he went, and if he had overdone it or seriously mis-stepped, he could also have saved a lot less people. It is understandable that his first go at the problem was probably non-optimal.

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  18. Re: Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mark by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason the rich send their kids to Harvard and Stanford is not that they receive a better education there, but rather that they make contacts with the kids of other rich families that they have a good chance of getting hired by or starting a company with. So I agree, a lot of being successful is WHO you know, not WHAT you know, and that cannot be taught. On the bright side, I've seen some very talented lawyers and other professionals mentoring poor minority kids, and that assistance may be more valuable than going to an Ivy League school.

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  19. Re: Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's racist on it's face dude. You're a fucktard

  20. FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not racist. It isn't racist because it's not true. I can't find any legitimate news source or any reference on the organization's website saying anything about 100,000 non-white youth. Their goal is to help 100,000 low-income youth. The summary is absolutely wrong and it's embarrassing that Slashdot let racist trolling into a summary. While the low-income segment the program targets likely has a disproportionate amount of non-white youth relative to the overall population, that is due to the overall characteristics of the US population and not because they're excluding white youth. It's fucking embarrassing that Slashdot posted racism in the story. It's also bullshit that the parent has been censored to -1.

    1. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm assuming your phone autocorrected "modded" to "censorship", because to claim someone being downmodded is "omg the censorship" is too fucking stupid for words.

    2. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're wrong. Far fewer people see a post at -1 than if it's at 0. Moderation is a form of community- and editor-enforced censorship. Most of the time, the results are good, removing offtopic crap. In this case, though, it's suppressing a post that is appropriately angry. Calling it moderation doesn't change that it's a form of censorship. Not all censorship is bad. But that post shouldn't be at -1.

    3. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's right here you sjw faggot:

      http://www.yeswecode.org/devbootcamp_yeswecode_diversity_scholarship

    4. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go fuck yourself, liar. Your link doesn't say anything about 100,000 non-white youth. I don't like diversity scholarships, though there's a case to be made for affirmative action as a temporary measure. However, there's no evidence of the claim made in the summary. Also, you're not very bright. Nowhere in my post am I saying anything that can reasonably be interpreted as SJW nonsense. Fuck off.

    5. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you sjw's get so triggered by being called an sjw? I thought that was your thing.

    6. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then get an account, get some karma, and do something about it.

    7. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not very smart. Go back to reddit.

    8. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical sjw trying to get rid of dissenting opinion. Sad. Go back to your safe space, snowflake.

    9. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're still not very bright. Also, I fucked your mother last night. That bitch screamed way too loud. I hope we didn't wake you, if you had fallen asleep. She told me that you were probably awake anyway, ramming your dildo up your ass repeatedly while looking at photos of Michael Brown and imagining that it was his cock in your ass. Go fuck yourself, though I imagine you don't need to be told that.

    10. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry you got so offended by words on the internet, maybe this isn't quite the place for you.

    11. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry you got offended by words and thought I was an SJW. On second thought, no, I'm really not sorry. Grow a pair, snowflake. Also, I'm not sorry I fucked your mother last night. My ears are sorry they had to listen to the bitch's screaming, though. She needs are mute button, to be used during sex. Also, you should go clean your dildo, because leaving all the shit on there from multiple sessions of ramming yourself in the ass isn't very sanitary.

    12. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL typical butthurt right wing nutjob, whining because a scholarship isn't available to him. Get off your ass, get a job, and stop looking for handouts.

    13. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not healthy to be this mad and nude on line. I suggest maybe taking some time off and commune with your fellow sjw's at Lilith Fair, you'll feel better in no time.

    14. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm actually laughing my ass off at your conservative butthurt because some scholarship isn't available to you. I actually have a job while you spend your days ass-ramming yourself with a shit-encrusted dildo.

    15. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You see guys, he's not mad, he's actually laughing.

    16. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, I'm sorry to ruin your sexual fantasy but I'm not nude. That only happens when I'm showering or fucking your mother.

    17. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incorrect, you are mad and nude and red.

    18. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your mother wants you to go clean your dildo. You should obey her.

    19. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never send to know for whom the bell triggers; it triggers for thee.

    20. Re: FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Come join our hugcircle! Your microaggression is showing.

  21. This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Been teaching myself to code for ten years or more and can't even get an entry level job. How is this program supposed to actually work? Somehow I doubt teaching Jamal how to code For loops is going to make him employable, when there are plenty of people like me who still can't find entry into the industry...

    1. Re:This is stupid by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Informative

      How is this program supposed to actually work?

      Teaching students how to think logically rather than impulsively is a useful skill in life.

    2. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, it's a useful skill. Just don't pretend like these kids are going to get jobs writing code without jumping through a very expensive college degree hoop.

    3. Re:This is stupid by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Just don't pretend like these kids are going to get jobs writing code without jumping through a very expensive college degree hoop.

      Or, if they're interested in computer programming, go to a community college and get a part-time job. As a poor white boy from a blue-collar family, I spent my first year in college picking up recyclables on campus to pay for my classes and books.

    4. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it might not by itself make "Jamal" more employable but it will provide the foundation from which he can build to make himself more employable. And could it be your doing something wrong why you cant land a entry level job?

    5. Re:This is stupid by twistedcubic · · Score: 1

      Or, if they're interested in computer programming, go to a community college and get a part-time job. As a poor white boy from a blue-collar family, I spent my first year in college picking up recyclables on campus to pay for my classes and books.

      I suppose I could have done the same if "recyclables" included gold bullion and diamonds. You're being very insensitive to those of us who attended expensive private schools. These microaggressions are just killing me!

    6. Re:This is stupid by gweihir · · Score: 1

      From experience teaching coding, most students cannot generalize what they learn in coding, hence that is not what is happening. Incidentally, if your argument were true, math in school would have already accomplished that.

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    7. Re:This is stupid by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I have never known anyone that made more than maybe 15$ for an 8-hour day collecting cans.

      This was in the early 1990's. I typically spent an hour a day after classes to pick up recyclables from the trash receptacles around campus to fill up a burlap bag, five days a week during the 18-week semester. I made $300 to $400 per semester (about $3 to $4 per hour), which was enough to get through me a semester at school while living with my parents. The only support I got from my parents for college was a ride to the recycling center. I did that for two semesters before I got a job at the campus bookstore and worked 30 hours a week to move into a five-bedroom Victorian frat house with 12 other guys.

    8. Re:This is stupid by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Incidentally, if your argument were true, math in school would have already accomplished that.

      The public schools taught me nothing. I had a college-level reading comprehension in the eighth grade because I wanted to learn more than what I could get at school. I had to go to college to get a real education.

    9. Re:This is stupid by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Same here. But this is not the norm and a "coding camp" would probably just bore you out of your wits.

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  22. Re: Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love watching you babies shit your diapers the second something isn't available to white folks. It's so entertaining I think more groups like these should be founded, if only because you people are so damn entertaining.

  23. Re: Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your profanity and baby metaphors aren't doing much to clear you of the "fucktard" allegation, incapable as you may be of comprehending why someone might be categorically opposed to racist idiocy, despite your correctness that many people in any category you create by labeling them on some physical characteristic will show some signs of fitting poorly into such a characterization (with the occasional emotional outburst, in many cases)

  24. hahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haha, suckers! Want my job? Take it!

    Seriously, I am so fed up at this point with tech. I am tired of being a "wizard." I am tired of other people expecting me to do their jobs because in the course of my duties I learn things about their jobs and provide them tools to help them do their own fucking jobs. I am tired of people looking to me as some kind of keeper of records and archivist simply because I tend to keep copies of older documents around in an organized manner. If an archivist is what they fucking need, then they need to fucking add it to my job description, title, and most importantly my paycheck! I am tired of other people whose fucking job is to communicate with the customer expecting me to somehow have some kind of better fucking knowledge than they do about a customer!

    Sure, I can do all those things. Maybe I'm just an extra-capable nice guy with a long memory and experience in many different walks of life. Maybe I really am "smart" or a "genius" like everybody keeps fucking assuming. (And also fucking assuming that they're not "smart" or a "genius" so they can't program computers, but hell, maybe they're fucking right!)

    If all that's true, I want to drive an Aventador starting tomorrow. You know, like a tech company CEO!

    (And no, I'm not much of a nice guy any more. Too fed up and burnt out.)

    1. Re:hahaha by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm just an extra-capable nice guy with a long memory and experience in many different walks of life.

      In short, you need to learn how to be an asshole. Eli the Computer Guy can help you with that problem.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_YaNGzplbE

    2. Re:hahaha by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you never learned to say "no". It is a critical survival skill in the IT industry, as so many people are so incompetent that they spend a lot of time looking for somebody that can do their work for them.

      It does not need to be a blunt "no". It can be, "sure, I will be delighted, what cost object do I book this on?" or "sure, we will be happy to do that for you under an additional contract" or the like. That way, you can fend of people that just want your time and expertise for free and if they are willing to pay, you have the needed data to demand a raise.

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  25. Red Herring. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly, Prince believed that tech industry salaries were too high, and was attempting to pull them down by increasing the labor supply. It is natural enough that he would target a relatively unrepresented demographic, since that is where the greatest number of likely candidates would be.

  26. Stormdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I love how this place quickly turns into Stormfront the second anything comes up that helps blacks. 14 words, my white brothers.

  27. All Hail! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All hail the celebrity. The celebrity is king! All hail the celebrity.

  28. "inner city youth" = "blacks" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL at that then - because the average IQ of American blacks is too low for them to become coders, not to mention their 'culcha' which means that they jump on any fellow black who is actually intelligent or works hard...

  29. Editor! by pjt33 · · Score: 1

    I don't expect a high level of editing on Slashdot, but you could at least give Trayvon Martin the respect of spelling his name correctly.

  30. Please stop this by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Coding jobs are not the factory jobs of the modern age. They are highly specialized, need a lot of talent and dedication and coding above a very low difficulty and quality level can most decidedly not be taught to everybody. Please stop teaching these already disadvantaged youth something most of them will never be good at and where the available jobs on the lower levels are in a fast downwards spiral with regards to pay, job security and upwards mobility. You are just screwing them over.

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    1. Re: Please stop this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree, coding camps are great for getting your feet wet in areas outside of programming that translate easily into other, well-paying fields. Whether it's learning to clearly communicate with a team, plan a project, or logically step through and troubleshoot an issue, even if you don't become a code jockey these are great tools to have at your disposal.

    2. Re:Please stop this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree in general, but my reasons are different. I have been "coding" for 20 years, just for reference. The skills required vary widely. Some jobs require a high degree of specialized technical knowledge. Some rely more on non-techincal but highly domain-specific knowledge. Some rely more on an "eye" for graphic design. Some rely more on the ability to communicate successfully with other people (and the audience is even more varied).

      Not everyone can be a coder. Some don't have the technical aptitude. Others would just plain hate being chained to a computer all day.

      I think everyone should be exposed to coding, simply because it is no longer sufficient to only track the STEM-affinity types and self-selected geeks into coding disciplines. We need more people in terms of numbers and variety of personality/skill sets.

      However, our society and economy will continue to underperform if we don't stop trying to stampede every person into the next "hot" field and accept that a variety of labor is required to meet our needs and occupy our time.

    3. Re: Please stop this by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but people that have failed to use the opportunities to learn these skills before will _not_ pick them up in a coding camp either. And there were plenty of such opportunities before. Ever debugged your solution to a math problem? Ever had any kind of group-work in school? Ever had any kind of home-work that required planning? See what I mean? "Coding" is not the magical subject that will make people learn things they were not prepared or willing to learn before and certainly not in a short-term program like a "coding camp".

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    4. Re: Please stop this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was fortunate enough to have well educated parents who encouraged me to learn things. Unfortunately, many kids have parents who only encourage them to STFU and stay the hell out of the way. Or they teach them nothing at all. Their schools may be no better. Or their parents may be attentive and well meaning, but have no concept of how technology works. These kids may discover latent natural interest and talent.

      I only object to the concept that everyone can be shoe-horned into a coding or STEM career. Many will hate the work and therefore be lousy at it.

    5. Re: Please stop this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're talking about kids here. How many of such opportunities do you suppose they've passed up? Or should we write them off because their parents made bad decisions?

    6. Re:Please stop this by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well. this is a difficult question. What would certainly be beneficial to have a lot of people that can do some coding (say on the level of math you learn in school as opposed to what a STEM graduate can do), and that know they are not experts at it. On the other side, we have far too many people that have "coding" as core skill and most of them are bad at it. That is probably more harmful than anything else, because it drives salaries to the bottom and causes bad working conditions. Smart people that are interested in coding and the general field that surrounds it are driven away, because they do _not_ want to go into a field like this and instead re-focus on other areas they do not like as much, but allow you to found a family and have kids, for example. At the same time, these people are critically needed. You cannot replace one good coder with 10, 100, or even 1000 bad ones. The bad ones will produce bad results because they lack the insight required. You need that one good coder, and they are getting rarer and rarer.

      The only hope I have for the IT field eventually figuring out how to not mess it up consistently is, strangely, from automation. While there is little hope of ever automating what a good coder can do, it might just be possible to get rid of the bad ones altogether and thereby reduce the damage done considerably. Of course, I do not believe the "production economy" can be kept alive much longer, most things just need far too few people to be made and that is not ever going to get better but is getting progressively worse. This problem will have to be solved in a different way. "Work" as a mechanism to distribute wealth and allow people to buy things so the market stays viable and people can live reasonably is approaching the end of its viability. Not much of a surprise either.

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    7. Re: Please stop this by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Not at all. But the idea to fix that by teaching them to code on a low skill level is not going to work at all. Instead it wastes their time and will just turn out to be another false hope and demotivate them further. I am not against teaching kids valuable skills that they actually have a good chance of learning, but "coding" is not that skill for a number of reasons.

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    8. Re: Please stop this by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I fully agree. Some people manage to do it without support from their parents, but they are rare. Parents that are not invested in their children are a blight and should never have had any. It is the ultimate form of irresponsibility. Well meaning parents that are limited themselves are much less of a problem, I think, I had several fellow students with such a background at university and they did not do worse than others.

      Incidentally, my main issue with these "teach coding" initiatives is exactly the same as yours: Most people are not cut out for STEM (and coding is STEM) and should find things they enjoy doing at least to some degree instead. A bad coder is worse than no coder, same as any other STEM worker.

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  31. Re: Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mar by mapkinase · · Score: 3, Informative

    You need Harvard to help with crawling into upper class, but you do not need tit to become a normal middle class coder.

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  33. Re: Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mar by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

    You need Harvard to help with crawling into upper class, but you do not need tit to become a normal middle class coder.

    Eh...not really. I know a lot of people with >120k/yr salaries who have nothing more than community college degrees. Hell, at the rate I'm going, I'll be there soon-ish, and that's all I have. (I'm at about $80k only two years out of community college.)

  34. Re: Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mar by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    >. I know a lot of people with >120k/yr salaries who have nothing more than community college degrees

    That's not upper class. Not at all. Trust me.

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  35. Re: Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mark by jandersen · · Score: 1

    Teach all those Ivy League/Government Intelligence/Google interpersonal networking connections that one is typically born into?

    Aka "the old boy's network". Yeah, good point. Apart from that, we don't actually need more huge internet services - that train has already arrived - and left again. What we really need is people who understand bio-technology, bio-medicine, advanced genetics and genomics, advanced materials (like graphene, phosphene, meta-materials etc), and a long list of other, advanced technologies; plus the fundamental research that goes before all of this, which must be independent of industry ties. We have enough, bloody useless entertainment services already.

  36. Re: Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need Harvard to help with crawling into upper class, but you do not need tit, to become a normal middle class coder.

    I was always told breast feeding was better.

  37. Re: Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You also need to qualify this with a location. 80k in california isn't much but 80k in detroit is decent pay.

  38. Re: Let's teach the black kids how to be like Ma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  39. Fighting fire with fire by tepples · · Score: 1

    Fight bigotry, you must fight ALL forms of it, just not the kinds you don't like.

    Firefighters who fight forest fires by consuming their fuel in small controlled fires might disagree with the analogy: "Fight fire, you must fight ALL forms of it, just not the kinds you don't like."

    1. Re:Fighting fire with fire by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Because fire and bigotry are the same things? Or even closely related? You just making an excuse for hate simply because you dislike the hate on the other side more?

      Unlike fire, hatred isn't controlled by using hate. And I dare say, have you never seen a controlled fire get out of control? Trying that with Hate is equally dangerous, maybe more so. Further, hate isn't rational, and doesn't follow rational flow, unlike fire, which is well understood.

      The purpose of controlled fires is to burn the fuel up, preventing worse fire. On the other hand, hate fuels hate. Nobody ever said you can eliminate hate by having more hate, it just creates more hate (creates its own fuel).

      So, if you're going to make a stupid suggestion via analogy, you might want to spend more than 30 seconds coming up with one. This analogy is fatally flawed.

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  40. Aftermath of 20th c. apartheid; War on Some Drugs by tepples · · Score: 1

    Cite the laws which discriminate against minorities.

    One set of laws was an apartheid regime called Jim Crow, which was in place in several U.S. states in the early to mid twentieth century. Though apartheid became unenforceable in the United States in 1965, their effects continue because of other laws, such as property law and inheritance law. Parents who had been impoverished by apartheid had less wealth to hand down to their children. Having to work harder to make ends meet caused families to sacrifice education in favor of survival.

    Drug prohibition is another one. Michelle Alexander argued in The New Jim Crow that African Americans are disproportionately arrested for possessing recreational psychoactive substances compared to their proportion of users of such substances.

  41. Re: Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's never who you know,
    But who you blow.

    Ask Tim Cook :P

  42. Re: Aftermath of 20th c. apartheid; War on Some Dr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's 2016 get the fuck over it. You seriously bringing up Jim crowe laws? Now you are fucking reaching.

    Leave you hateful biggot.

  43. Socioeconomic status is still heritable by tepples · · Score: 1

    Though apartheid became unenforceable in the United States in 1965, their effects continue because of other laws, such as property law and inheritance law.

    It's 2016 get the fuck over it.

    Said other laws make it difficult for families to "get [...] over it." Even if all genetic causes of prejudice were eliminated, socioeconomic status is still heritable despite not being genetic.