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Ellen Pao Launches Advocacy Group To Improve Diversity In The Tech Industry (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Ellen Pao, a former Silicon Valley venture capitalist, today announced the launch of Project Include, an advocacy group aimed at improving diversity in the technology industry. The group was started by Pao and fellow female engineers and executives, including members of Slack, Pinterest, and other Bay Area VC firms. The initiative will focus on providing startups and established tech companies with information on making hiring more inclusive, improving retention, and examining bias in the workplace. Pao became embroiled in one of the most divisive debates in tech last year after suing her former employer, VC firm Kleiner Perkins Caufield and Byers, for gender discrimination. She lost at trial and, later, stepped down from her position as interim CEO of Reddit following a severe harassment campaign. Project Include is also accepting as many as 18 startups, who can apply to receive recommendations through a program called Start-Up Include.

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  1. Fuck anyone with a penis! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you disagree then you're part of the patriarchy.

    1. Re:Fuck anyone with a penis! by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      To an SJW, disagreement is synonymous with harassment.

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    2. Re:Fuck anyone with a penis! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How dare men have a sex drive that doesn't conform to marxism-feminism! Those filthy fascists! Time to build an iron curtain!

    3. Re:Fuck anyone with a penis! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      If this were true we wouldn't be seeing this 'sjw-transsexual-feminist conspiracy' oozing from every major media orifice.

      1. Game conferences wouldn't be canceled just because there weren't enough vaginas. Valid job applicants wouldn't be terminated days later because their privately/financially expressed political views made someone 'feel uncomfortable.'
      2. Politicians wouldn't be taking statistics out of context and passing law.
      3. University professors would not be calling for policy to force men to let women speak first in all public discourse, and to cancel such meetings if not enough women are present.
      4. TV shows and commercials wouldn't be loaded with 'empowered' women labeling men as 'stupid dad' and 'manpig' stereotypes and ordering them around, or making sure that if the narrative calls for someone to show fear or emotion, it must be the man, with the 'empowered' woman consoling him like he's a child.
      5. Sweden (and south carolina) wouldn't be micromanaging how people go to the bathroom.
      6. Bruce Jenner would not have been in the news again. Somehow a psychological need to amputate a part of your body is considered a sign of mental illness, but if it's male genitalia, we're supposed to 'celebrate the diversity.' Figure that one out..

      If there're chicken littles and conspiracies meant to alter the way we think, they're definitely on the SJW side these days. The religious right tried this same tactic up through the 80s to push its crazy on us and failed. Now I guess it's the left wing's turn to push its brand of crazy. In light of this, it can be hard to remember that all of this hubris has no basis as long as society places individual rights ahead of groupthink ideology. Once we lose that, it's a race to the bottom.

    4. Re:Fuck anyone with a penis! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Something tells me that this new Ellen Pao group to advocate for diversity is not going to sit well with the Anonymous Cowards on Slashdot.

      Just a hunch.

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    5. Re:Fuck anyone with a penis! by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nothing sits well with the Anonymous Cowards on Slashdot. Why do you expect this to be any different?

    6. Re:Fuck anyone with a penis! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Can you cite some specific examples of these things happening. I'm genuinely interested, especially in some of the political stuff because it sounds quite concerning if politicians are undermining efforts to increase equality like that.

      I think I can guess what you are referring to in a few cases though.

      1. Game conferences wouldn't be canceled just because there weren't enough vaginas. Valid job applicants wouldn't be terminated days later because their privately/financially expressed political views made someone 'feel uncomfortable.'

      Which conference? In the job applicant case, would that be Eich? In which case I'd point out that freedom of speech (i.e. criticism) trumps him feeling comfortable in his job, even if he means he feels his position is no longer tenable.

      4. TV shows and commercials wouldn't be loaded with 'empowered' women labeling men as 'stupid dad' and 'manpig' stereotypes and ordering them around

      There are some great videos on YouTube where feminists and others often labelled as "SJWs" deconstruct those adverts. It's sad that advertisers are so dumb and feel that insulting their audience is a good idea.

      6. Bruce Jenner would not have been in the news again. Somehow a psychological need to amputate a part of your body is considered a sign of mental illness

      I'm afraid medical science is against you on this one. It's a lot like "shell shock" (now known as PTSD) in the 1910s. Cowards trying to get off the front line, not a complex psychological condition. Attach the electrodes, that'll get them talking again.

      The most interesting part of all this is the conspiracy theory you have constructed to link all these things by portraying them as some kind of attack. I've said it before - people who accuse others of being "SJWs" usually do all the things they attribute to SJWs.

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    7. Re:Fuck anyone with a penis! by Kielistic · · Score: 2

      Ignore his arguments and take my word that they're totes easy to refute. Then fallacy fallacy and ad hominem fallacy.

      Classic.

  2. I think I finally understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    This woman is having the longest period ever.

    1. Re:I think I finally understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's exactly the kind of misogynist hatespeech that's proof that this initative is needed. Ellen Pao is a hero and you should be fired.

    2. Re: I think I finally understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's not bigotry if it's true.

    3. Re:I think I finally understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The shit Ellen Pao has done in the past has done so much harm to the image of women in tech leadership roles than this bullshit campaign can ever fix.

    4. Re:I think I finally understand by lucm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Correction: he should be fired quietly and he should not make a tweet or post a single comment on Reddit to report it.

      We don't want to repeat the Donglegate incident where Adria Richards, after being psychologically raped by a private discussion made behind her in a room full of 300 people, was victimized a second time by people who unfairly called her a cunt for getting a guy fired over such bullshit.

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    5. Re:I think I finally understand by lucm · · Score: 4, Informative

      Hilary "Yahoo!Mail" Clinton

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      lucm, indeed.
    6. Re:I think I finally understand by arth1 · · Score: 2

      I don't think Ellen Pao is particularly heroic, she was out for herself but she did point out real problems in KP and the industry.

      Pointing out problems is one thing. Jumping from problem to conclusion without no intermediate is quite another.

    7. Re:I think I finally understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Adria Richards did not get that guy fired. The Internet mob of crazy got them both fired.

      Right. It's not the person that pulled the trigger, it's the crazy bullets that killed the victims. Someone should call Clinton right quick, her platform of gun control is a sham, she should go full tilt on bullet control.

      /sarc tag in case your detector is not fitted with working batteries

  3. When you can't do real work.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Start an advocacy group to harass people who can.

    1. Re:When you can't do real work.... by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If this "project" follows the standard race-hustling/gender-hustling formula, it will look something like this:

      1) They approach your company and ask for you to sponsor them, or hire them to provide diversity training, or pay them to do a diversity study of your company (aka they'll shake you down for money)
      2) If you do sponsor/hire them, they'll call you progressive and give you a social justice free pass (a real commodity in ultra-liberal Silicon Valley)
      3) If you don't, they'll cite you as an example of a company that's not "embracing diversity" and is clearly racist/sexist/homophobic blah blah. You must be, otherwise you would have embraced diversity by giving them money, right?

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      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    2. Re:When you can't do real work.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Painting them with mob tactics. This is frighteningly accurate and come to think of it, not the first time I've heard of social issues being falsely used for personal financial/commercial gain; See Anita Sarkeesian.

  4. Step 1 to improving your company by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Never hire Ellen Pao.

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    SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    1. Re:Step 1 to improving your company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...and never invest money with her husband.

      Grifters like Pao and Fletcher are why we can't have nice things.

  5. How about more 'diverse' U.S. citizens? by kheldan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If she's backing more U.S. citizens being employed instead of more overseas workers brought in on H1-B's, then I'm all for it, otherwise I couldn't care less.

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    1. Re:How about more 'diverse' U.S. citizens? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Informative

      agism is the elephant in the room (I'm biased, I'm over 50 and unemployed in the bay area). I see lots of women where I was previous employed (at pretty much any place); but if you look for grey hair guys and girls, no, there are some token hires or maybe some rock star that happens to be old; but for the most part, if you are over 35 and looking to stay technical in this area of the country, LOTSA LUCK to you.

      the other elephant (yeah, its crowded in this room) is that if you are born in the west, especially the US, employers mostly prefer to NOT hire you and instead take an h1b or other form of import. its not about race; its about being brought up here and knowing your rights, knowing you can say NO to your boss for that 4th weekend request in a row of his, knowing lots of things that foreigners who were not raised in the US culture simply don't know.

      employers leverage the HELL out of that fact. most people outside the US who are from asia, for example, has zero idea what freedom really is. they are perfectly fine with being eavesdropped, spied, directed, micromanaged and then disposed of. they think its normal. US born folks know better, and so we are not the first choice when it comes to hiring.

      the cries of DIVERSITY! is bullshit and yet another distraction to hide what is really going on. war on middle class; and that mostly means folks born here and who have a vested interest in what happens here in the next 10, 20, 50 years. but we are being passed over for most of the core hiring in the valley.

      btw, indians who end up staying here and having kids; YOUR kids are now americans and they will be passed over just like I and my friends are, now. think long and hard about that, immigrants; and think again if you really should hire yet more h1b's or if you should, maybe give some locals a chance at some of those jobs. later on, your kids will be the locals. think about it.

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  6. Let's shift that focus a little by suupaabaka · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article is a bit light in detail as to what Pao's trying to accomplish, but from her history, I'm assuming it's about gender

    But maybe we should focus on diversity of skills and experience rather than diversity of physical characteristics?

    1. Re:Let's shift that focus a little by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The article is a bit light in detail as to what Pao's trying to accomplish

      My guess would be to extort businesses to give her money under the threat of calling them sexist-racists if they don't. You know, the standard race-hustling, gender-hustling modus operandi.

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      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
  7. Slashdot Still Fooled by Harassment Narratives? by Kunedog · · Score: 5, Informative

    She lost at trial and, later, stepped down from her position as interim CEO of Reddit following a severe harassment campaign

    Please. Here's an outline of the shitshow that Pao and the rest of the Reddit regime (which is still largely intact) caused, leading to her ouster:
    https://news.slashdot.org/comm...

  8. Enough with Diversity by BeemanIT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just getting tired about all this diversity stuff and not enough with just simply having the best workers. If they want diversity why does this seem to be limited to the Technology area and not to other areas like medicine? For examples most nurses are women, you don't hear them saying they need more men in nursing?

  9. Well, THIS should engender thoughtful discussion. by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hate it when the handlers don't warn the bystanders before they throw in the raw meat.

  10. better products through diversity by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, we must end the scourge of things being designed by well educated engineers, and add the diversity of blond bimbo strippers, people who "identify" with the gender that they were not born into, people who choose to waste their public education and remain illiterate (although some of those are still waiting for the Basketball or rap "music" opportunity that society owes them), and people who bring different insight through dubious chemical means that Obama chooses to look the other way on. Of course, we will still let the engineers do the actual work, but we must add the other diversity to the design teams.

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  11. Fuck Ellen Pao by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah, just for some background. Ellen Pao was no-one. She wasn't a long term user of the site. They tried to make it look like that, but it was a transparent attempt. She was one of these Ivy League fucking for-no-other-reason climbers. They tried to give her a back story as a long term "one of us" people. That only made it worse. And when there was the inevitable pushback against her inevitable claims of sexism, there was an inevitable escalation of those claims. That's all you need to know, other than that she was defeated soundly in law about similar claims regarding her dismissal from a previous job...

  12. Follow your own advice to prove it is good. by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 2

    Why tell other people what to think when you can just do what you think everyone else should do, then if it brings you success people will emulate what you have done when you led by example. Share holders see advocates as a risk vector, where as experts with a proven track record are seen for their potential to grow profits and their advice is sought-after.

  13. Re:when the first comments on posts like these are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Fuck anyone with a penis! if you disagree then you're part of the patriarchy

    Use apps! only apps can apps apps, NOT LUDDITE feminists! Apps!

    I think i finally understand this woman is have the longest period ever

    When you can't do real work... start an advocacy group to harass people who can

    hire more gay linux nerds who like hard cocks in their rectums

    Can you not fathom how there just might be some discrimination happening in the tech world?

    Oh I can. I see strong discrimination in favor of employing and promoting 'diversity' candidates. That means STFs (Senior Technical Female), black, native American and disabled. It's not my imagination. It's written down corporate policy. As a hiring manager I would get dinged for not discriminating in this way.

  14. I haven't spoken to her recently... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But I actually know someone exactly like that. Late 50s, has worked in every facet of QA, administration, and even mid-range scripting (never really got into dev work, but could do basically every other role you'd need to round out your team.)

    She got laid off around the '08 downturn and hasn't been able to get a hire since, despite having 20 years of techwork under her belt and staying up to date on the OSes, software, etc for which she'd be responsible.

    Maybe the real issue isn't all the old people being 'weeded out'. Maybe the real issue is the lack of old people leadership willing to invest in their fellows to create the 'next big thing' and show the whippersnappers why wisdom and experience trumps 'hype it and they will invest.' :)

  15. Chairman Pao by zapadnik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Over on Reddit they started calling her "Chairman Pao" for the censorious regime Ms Pao imposed. She also 'purged' pro-Free Speech moderators. We gotta fight such people, the authoritarians "doing it for our own good" or because it "hurts someones feelings".

    Free Speech is the whole ballgame. Lose that and no-one gets to "talk Truth to Power".

  16. What would help diversity by melted · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What would help diversity (among other things) is not extorting a multimillion dollar settlement out of your employer by filing a lawsuit about things you've made up.

  17. She should try improving her own competency by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Informative

    Pao is still operating under the delusion that she's no longer a VC due to sexism. Anyone who closely followed her bias case against Kleiner Perkins knows the exact opposite is true; she was given extraordinary opportunities there, much more than the average partner-in-training. Yet she still couldn't get out of her own way on the path to success paved for her by John Doerr. Diversity was not her foe; it was entitlement, jealously, laziness, and incompetence.

    1. Re:She should try improving her own competency by jcr · · Score: 2

      Pao is still operating under the delusion that she's no longer a VC due to sexism.

      I doubt that she ever actually believed that. It's just the tactic she used to try to scare Kleiner-Perkins into paying her to fuck off.

      -jcr

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  18. Women are laughing all the way to the bank now. by Shados · · Score: 2

    While there's problems everywhere, since the biggest issue is long before any tech company can get (directly) involved (how parents raise kids, school, TV, etc), there's starting to be statistics showing that women right of college are starting to make quite a bit more than men (because of all the big tech companies under fire desperately trying to hire them).

    So unless you're critically incompetent, right now if you come out of CS and you're a girl, you're basically an instant-hire and you can negotiate your salary to oblivion.

    Welp, since my wife is a pretty successful software engineer, I indirectly benefit...but...

  19. Re:Step 2 - avoid people likely to get pregnant by lucm · · Score: 2

    Being inclusive is not a pre-requisite or a moral obligation. Being inclusive is a game that people with too much time and money on their hands play because they're too afraid to tackle real social problems (like homeless people who live in terrible conditions or ISIS sympathizers who open fire in large crowds).

    If you decide to play the inclusive game when you don't have time and money, you'll lose.

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  20. Beware of Slack by lucm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here's a tweet from their talented "Lead Growth", who's also founder of "Women in Product":

    Day three of using a Windows machine: was totally mentally exhausted last night, dreaded work this morning. Struggling to do small things.

    https://twitter.com/merci/stat...

    How fucking entitled can someone get?

    When I see people like that, I seriously wonder if I should consider another career than IT. Those idiots just ruin the entire industry.

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    1. Re:Beware of Slack by lucm · · Score: 2

      Using a Windows machine should be considered Cruel and Unusual Punishment.

      More seriously, using an OS/application/whatever that one isn't used to or familiar with that works in a way that one isn't accustomed to can cause frustrations that lead to stress and mental exhaustion.

      Haven't you ever figuratively "fried your brain" trying to diagnose/fix some problem? This is the same thing.

      I once spent a week using a crippled desktop that had only the serial port and the keyboard as a way to exchange data with the outside world, and it was running a dated CDE stuck in German or Dutch. I managed to do my job and I complained less than that poor little girl who had to OMG use Windows.

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  21. Re:Pao was on your side, idiots by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's sad is that the knee jerk sexist responses here only prove Pao's point.

    Go fuck yourself, snowflake. We're talking about Pao, not women in general.

    -jcr

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  22. forcing diversity = discrimination by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

    if you are looking to recruit people based on their skin color, sex, age, etc. then what you are actually doing is discriminating against the majority. racism/sexism/ageism/etc. are not magically acceptable because you have good intentions. instead of forcing diversity people should be looking to reduce selection bias for everything except their merits.

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