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Unity 8 And Snaps Are Conquering The Ubuntu Desktop After Ubuntu 16.10 (softpedia.com)

prisoninmate writes: Today is the last day of the Ubuntu Online Summit 2016, and the Ubuntu developers discussed the future of the Ubuntu Desktop for Ubuntu 16.10 (Yakkety Yak) and beyond. It looks like Snaps (Snappy) and Unity 8 with Mir are slowly conquering the Ubuntu Desktop, at least according to Canonical's Will Cooke, Ubuntu Desktop Manager. Work has already begun on pushing these new and modern technologies to the Ubuntu Desktop, as Ubuntu 16.04 LTS has just received support for installing Snaps from the Ubuntu Snappy Store. Canonical's Will Cooke has mentioned the fact that the Unity 7 desktop enters its twilight years, which means that it gets fewer features and it's being reduced to only critical and OEM work. This is because Unity 8 desktop is getting all the attention now, and it will become the default desktop session somewhere after Ubuntu 16.10 (Yakkety Yak).

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  1. Re:Who Cares? by StormReaver · · Score: 4, Informative

    Does anybody actually still believe Linux is a viable desktop platform any more?

    My customers and family love Kubuntu, so yes. Even Steve Ballmer admitted that Windows is so bad that it would have died a long time ago if Microsoft hadn't suckered the world's developers into programming directly to the Windows API.

  2. So by "conquering" by jofas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... They mean " being forced on users. Classic canonical.

    1. Re: So by "conquering" by jofas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh, here we go. "Fork it yourself!" Is that the answer for everything now? Canonical isn't just astronaut money, you know. Users put Ubuntu on the map and as such should be treated as stakeholders.
      Your comment "I've been using Ubuntu for years and it works for me." speaks volumes. How have you dealt with Gnome 3? Unity? Ever had non-PAE support yanked out from under you? How did you like when Canonical blindly followed Debian and ripped out ffmpeg?
      You may enjoy telling others to go build their own car when they're not satisfied with it, but many who put effort into filing Launchpad bugs *and* coming up with solutions may not appreciate your use-it-or-get-fucked attitude. Off with you!

  3. Re:Who Cares? by wicka_wicka · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "It's been 25 years. I can do this for another 25. I'll wear them down." He'll wear them down? That kind of attitude is why they've failed thus far. You don't need to wear anyone down, you simply need to make a better desktop. I'm sure I will now be inundated with replies saying various Linux distros/window managers are, in fact, better than Windows and OS X. Guess what? Millions (billions?) of users disagree. And the prevalence of the idea that Linux is somehow Good Enough, despite all evidence to the contrary, is precisely why I have little faith it will ever get there.

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  4. A proud user... by ADRA · · Score: 4, Insightful

    of Xubuntu. Centos with XFCE is ok too. Really, the only thing that XFCE is missing for me (and probably others) is a set of pre-canned layouts to select from in order to prevent more of the esoteric configuration.

    I'm all for adding new types of applications in new and novel ways until the cows come home, but the way I launch applications hasn't changed since '95. Call me old fashioned, but it fcking works and I love it.

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    1. Re:A proud user... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      pretty much the same here. fvwm 1.4 (iirc) user since I 'upgraded' from twm.

      that's not a desktop; it just lets me bring up a menu (that goes away after I unclick) and run an xterm or whatever. usually I will run a term and then use that to do things, including running gui apps. stdout is often useful! why hide it?

      do a 'ps aux' and you see very little cruft on my installs. do that ps on an ubuntu 'desktop' and there's 10x as many procs running. no one needs that kind of waste, I don't care if you are on a cray desktop system (btw, those are pretty sweet).

      running an app is the same way I've been doing it since I first ran DECwindows. in fact, the color scheme I used at DEC when twm first came out is what I'm still using now. it works. why break shit that doesn't need breaking?

      vnc session and managed by fvwm. connect to the persistent desktop from anywhere in the house and turn off the vnc client when done. the server keeps your state. and fvwm takes no resources to speak of. uptimes that only get reset when a reboot is forced by a kernel update.

      unity? what's that? oh right, its the shit I first de-install after someone forced me to use a desktop version of ubuntu.

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  5. linux desktop platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In response to anyone who questions whether Linux is a viable desktop, I have this to say:
    My father's first and only computer, at the age of 86, was Linux Ubuntu. He did just fine with it for 4 years.
    Windows was not even a consideration for my efforts to bring computers to him. Ubuntu simply worked for him with minimal support from me. If you prefer Windows or Mac that is fine. Just skip criticizing Linux for what it is.

  6. Re:Who Cares? by chipschap · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Millions (billions?) of users disagree.

    I think this is a misinterpretation. Yes, millions are using Windows. This is not an active vote for Windows over Linux. The fact is that millions of computers are shipped with Windows pre-installed, and most buyers go with the flow and use what's in front of them. They're not going to install a different OS and probably aren't any more capable of doing so than they would have been with installing Windows if it hadn't already been done for them.

    Whether Linux is "ready" or "as good as" Windows is an entirely different question. Quite a few people think it is. But I won't get into that argument here. But Windows' high market share doesn't prove very much.

  7. Re:If Unity 8 is the future... by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The release was DOA if you had skylake w/nVidia, for example. It was a known bug and went out the door. For the first time in years Ubuntu didn't "just work" on my computer. Worse, even if you asked it to take updates while installing, one of which would have fixed the issue, it failed to do so.

    Perhaps the problem is that it was set for April 2016 and shipped in April 2016 when maybe it needed to be in May.

  8. ugh... by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

    the Unity desktop is so terrible they should just call it Overunity because that's a name that matches the level of ridicule it deserves.

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  9. Wait! I can fix this. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... according to Canonical's Will Cooke, Ubuntu Desktop Manager.

    apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop-manager

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  10. Re:Who Cares? by John+Allsup · · Score: 2

    I only use Windows for running Windows only software, like VSTs and DAWs; only use my mac for running music software. All else I use Linux. Having to use the mouse to launch my main apps, rather than a two-key combo is a real annoyance when going back to them. Likewise, not being able to write short scripts with ease is again an annoyance. Not being able to install to a USB stick, taking it from machine to machine without activation problems is another annoyance.

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  11. Are they? by Qbertino · · Score: 2

    I don't know anyone who's used Unity longer than I have and I've just switched to Xubuntu/XFCE and Lubuntu/LXDE because I couldn't bear compiz slowing my system Quad-Core 2,5 Ghz + 18GB RAM + 256GB SSD System + NVidia Quadro GFX to a grinding halt.

    Fix compiz and Unity rendering and all will be fine.
    Until then, my patience with default Ubuntu Desktop finally is up.

    Clean design, bold new concept, convergence planed in - all fine and dandy - but Unity is broken and simply still not ready for primetime / real-world everyday usage. That's a simple fact. (I've been using Ubuntu since v.9 btw.)

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  12. Three Cheers for Cinnamon! and Mint! by BrendaEM · · Score: 2

    Cinnamon and Mint are the future of the Linux Desktop.

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