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San Diego To Run 100 Percent On Renewable Energy By 2035 (outerplaces.com)

The city of San Diego has announced a bold new plan to run completely on renewable energy by 2035. While the city already produces the second largest electrical output from solar energy in the U.S., the new plan further details a way to cope with the changing climate. It plans to reduce 50% of the greenhouse gas emission by 2035, as well as create new jobs through the manufacturing and installation of solar panels. "San Diego is a leader in innovation and sustainability," the Climate Action Plan reads. "By striking a sensible balance between protecting our environment and growing our economy, San Diego can support clean technology, renewable energy, and economic growth." San Diego joins San Francisco, Sydney, and Vancouver in its effort to run entirely on renewable energy.

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  1. Talk is cheap by wickerprints · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I live in San Diego and these plans are just the usual political bullshit. All talk and no substance. The city couldn't even pull together an actual centennial celebration of Balboa Park--millions of taxpayer dollars were spent and it all just disappeared into the hands of various marketing companies and consultant firms, and nothing ever materialized. Meanwhile, the park's buildings and infrastructure are crumbling. And this is just one example of gross political mismanagement. The whole SD Chargers debacle is another. Why are taxpayers asked to foot the bill to help build a new football stadium just to prevent a mediocre team from leaving?

    Having previously lived in LA, San Diego politics makes Los Angeles look like a well-oiled machine. "Climate Action Plan" is just another euphemism for "taxpayers will somehow get shafted by the time this is all said and done." 2035 will roll around and people will have paid for smoke and mirrors, like they have done time and time again. People are willing to fund projects, but only if the costs come under the budget, and what is promised is what is delivered. But there's not mechanism in place to hold officials accountable should they fail to make good on their promises, just as is the case with the rest of the US government.

    1. Re:Talk is cheap by wickerprints · · Score: 2

      Oh, and how could I have forgotten the San Onofre nuclear power plant? Edison/SDGE mismanages the plant, ignores documentation of design flaws, causes the plant to become unusable, and then the cost of decommissioning is passed on ratepayers, when this plant was supposed to continue providing energy for decades. Who fucked up the plant? The utilities. Why did they fuck it up? Greed. They didn't want to pay for the fix, and thought that the design flaws posed an acceptable risk. And who is paying for their negligence/fraud? We are. They gambled, we lost. And who is it that is allowing the ratepayers to be shafted...? The San Diego and California State politicians and regulators who "negotiated" this "deal" and is obstructing law enforcement and taxpayers from investigating the collusion that took place.

    2. Re:Talk is cheap by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      The whole SD Chargers debacle is another. Why are taxpayers asked to foot the bill to help build a new football stadium just to prevent a mediocre team from leaving?

      This has nothing to do with corruption or mismanagement. It is direct democracy. The stadium funding will be decided by direct popular vote on June 7th. If you don't like it, don't vote for it. It is losing in the polls, so you will likely get what you want.

    3. Re:Talk is cheap by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      Actually, they installed new equipment with a design flaw, but they were not aware of it, nor the vendor, until it was discovered during operation. The plant had already paid for itself through over 30 years of operation, and could have replaced the equipment and continued to operate safely for many come, but political opposition pretty much took away that option. So, blame the politicians as well.

    4. Re:Talk is cheap by blindseer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oh how could I have forgotten the Ivanpah Solar Power Facility? NRG dumps over a billion dollars of government money on this and even after charging double the going rate of electricity to ratepayers they are threatening default. Why did they build this unworkable piece of shit? Greed. Now we've got this eyesore in the desert to clean up, one that is a navigation hazard to passing aircraft by the way. This plant produced expensive power, killed hundreds of birds, disturbed the habitat of a rare desert turtle and now the government is left holding the bill.

      There's a lot of people on Slashdot that love to give nuclear power a bunch of shit when it fails but ignore or excuse the failings of solar power. I'm not accusing wickerprints of being one of the solar power zealots, the comment above is only about how politicians shit on taxpayers.

      San Onofre might have been a huge clusterfuck of a project but that is just one of hundreds of nuclear power plants in the world, most of which don't make the news because they operate safely, quietly, and profitably. It seems to me that solar power only serves as a means to take taxes from the poor so that rich people with connections can lobby for subsidies and walk away with more coin in their pockets, the mess they leave behind is the taxpayers problem.

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    5. Re:Talk is cheap by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      The design flaw that shut down San Onofre was in the steam generators, which were replaced just like in many other plants. The replacements were a modified design that was supposed to be more efficient. After replacement the new Steam Generators showed excessive wear in the tubes after only a few operating cycles. While tube wear is normal, this was excessive. It was a design flaw in the new steam generators, nobody knew about it until they operated a few cycles and did the normal tube inspections.

      Once discovered, they were able to safety operate for a few more cycles by plugging damaged tubes, but they would need to replace the steam generators again to keep operating long term. Replacement is a very big cost, a few hundred million. Of course, many legal battles with the Steam Generator supplier followed, along with political storm, and since there is already tremendous opposition to nuclear in California, they gave in and just decided to shut down.

      Its also important to note that steam generator tube leakage is not a public safety issue. It is quickly and easily detected, it does not affect safe shutdown of the plant. So, even if they kept running and some of the degraded tubes ruptured, the only issue would be the slight contamination of the secondary system, at no point would there be any increased risk of not being able to shut down safely.

      Unfortunately, the facts get twisted and turned and reported with hyperbole. The operators are made out to be careless greedy monsters. And the plant described by the ignorant as some sort of ticking time bomb. More people just accept that take on the matter rather than learn what really happened.

  2. Linked PDF.... by lobiusmoop · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It has lots of pretty pictures...

    But interesting parts:
    Page 19 - pie chart of emissions inventory - largest segment is transportation, 55%, so needs most attention.
    Page 37 - plan of action is to get 25% of transport done via public transport by 2035... in California... which has 840 cars per 1000 people...

    Good luck with that.

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  3. Re:Far enough in the future... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Informative

    They have created a 75 page plan. I looked at it, and it does not say how they are going to generate the power, it just says the will add a shitload of renewables. And, the word 'storage' is not stated in the entire plan except for an appendix that discusses carbon sequestration. They can't do it without storage. They do a lot of talk about cutting back on just about everything.

  4. it's easy to drive this change by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

    if you want everyone to switch to renewable energy, it's not a complex process. all you have to do is slowly increase a tax on fossil fuel energy sources (and imported electricity) and use that money to subsidize investments in renewable energy. when gasoline is $10 per gallon, electricity is $1 per kWH and a solar panel with microinverter are $50 each, you see everyone switching to solar power, reducing their power consumption or paying out the nose because they can afford to do so.

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    1. Re:it's easy to drive this change by blindseer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What you propose will lower the standard of living for millions of people. That means people will go hungry, delay medical care out of concern for the inability to pay, people won't be able to afford to go to college. I'm sure Obamacare will mean everyone gets top notch medical care. Future president Sanders will give everyone a college education. As for getting enough food for everyone I hear that the Soylent Corporation has a great idea for government subsidized nutrition supplements.

      Where is this money going to come from to pay for all of this if people cannot afford to buy $10 gallons of gasoline? If people are spending that kind of money on energy then that leaves less money for other things like food, clothing, shelter, and education. I am amazed that people believe the solution to the "problem" of cheap oil is to tax it out of existence. Do you really think that will stop people? There's a lot of wells out there and I doubt the government knows where they all are. A black market will develop.

      Here's a rule of thumb that I thought was a good rule for passing a law, would you be willing to shoot someone for breaking it? Think about that. Someone is desperate to keep their family from freezing to death in a North Dakota winter, would you be willing to shoot someone over bootleg heating oil?

      The answer is not making oil expensive, the answer is making the alternatives cheaper. That's a much harder problem to solve but it does not involve shooting people that want to keep their baby from freezing to death.

      In case my tone was lost in the text I'll end with this, fuck off and die.

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  5. End date 2 years = won't happen by blindseer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any 20 year plan proposed by a government entity is doomed to failure. Any action proposed by a government official that cannot be in office to see it happen means it simply will not happen.

    There is a famous speech by JFK that proposed an American will walk on the moon in 8 years. I suspect that the project survived after he died because his VP was on board and was able to get elected as POTUS afterward.

    That's how to make a government promise work, set a goal in a meaningful time frame, get a lot of people to support it, and make it happen yourself. If you put a goal out beyond your time in office then it's not a promise, it's happy mouth noises.

    Had this been a promise to deploy a certain number of solar panels and/or windmills in 2 years, maybe within 5 years, then I might believe them. Setting a twenty year goal is meaningless. Few people can stay in office that long. Even fewer can keep a promise that long.

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  6. Better if they quit taking colorado water by WindBourne · · Score: 2

    Seriously, San Diego and Los Angelos should be developing desalinating and quit taking so much from the colorado river. To do that, will require a great deal more energy, so, AE will not do the trick.

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  7. Typical election year drivel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The mayor is a "moderate" Republican trying to appeal to a growing liberal core in the center of the city. There are a few things to keep in mind with all such plans announced by cities:

    Nowhere in the plans are solid, fixed, detailed plans to ban the use of things like gasoline or the use of electricity from coal-fired power plants, so they are still going to have non-renewables. Even if every car and truck based in the city was electric, visiting vehicles would not be. Also, they are connected to the national electrical grid, so any time the solar panels and windmills are not producing all needed power, they will pull power through the grid from coal-fired plants as everybody does today.

    Many of the wonderful-sounding goals stated are based on projected reductions from lots of other fairy tale policy bullet points. For example: there are energy reductions derived from reducing the water each citizen uses by 8 or 9 gallons per day. What are they going to do? Start rationing water? Order people to shower no more than thrice per week? Order people to wear dirty clothes? Most people in So Cal already use things like low-flow toilets and reduced-flow shower heads and are already often banned from washing cars and watering yards. San Diego already has severe infrastructure issues from many years of shifting maintenance funds into the union pension funds instead, and the sewer system is likely to have severe problems if the water flow through it is steeply reduced (as has happened in other cities)

    This glossy pdf plan also pushes things like bike trails - that constant heartthrob of the leftists and of course mass transit. San Diego is very hilly and quite hot at many points in the year while being host to many old people who cannot be expected to ride bikes, children who are not permitted to bike across the city unaccompanied, and others who are not up to biking, or whose schedules would be destroyed by biking. Biking is a recreation; it's NOT serious transportation. Housing is already so expensive in the city (which recently admitted all it's previous plans to address high housing costs actually made the situation worse) than huge numbers of workers like 30 miles outside the city. None of the fantasy transport options proposed will work for 90% of the people.

    What's most-likely to happen is that the plan will be forgotten after November. The city will put a few more solar panels on buildings and give some grants to a few politically favored entities to study the problems and/or upgrade their own facilities, and years from now they will claim credit for the cleaner air that resulted from the public gradually embracing cleaner stuff on their own as it became practical and affordable.

    All such plans have the basics in common: They use slick marketing to put a big happy face on a top-down plan to gradually dictate more details in the lives of the public, removing liberty, raising costs, eliminating jobs, all to appeal to popular political fads.