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Microsoft Releases Big 'Convenience Rollup' Update For Windows 7

Microsoft has released a "convenience rollup" update for Windows 7 computers. The update to the nearly seven-year-old operating system brings with it a number of security fixes and patches that Microsoft labels as "recommended." Mary Jo Foley, reporting for ZDNet: The convenience rollup -- officially known as Windows 7 SP1 convenience rollup -- isn't Service Pack 2 for Windows 7, but it's the next best thing. The new Windows 7 convenience rollup is cumulative back to Service Pack 1, which Microsoft released in 2011. (Editor's note, the convenience rollup consists of all security and non-security fixes all through April 2016.) It doesn't include updates to IE 11 (which are released separately) or updates to .NET releases. But it does include core Windows fixes, security fixes and hot fixes.Microsoft says that convenience rollup package is completely optional. "Install this one update, and then you only need new updates released after April 2016."

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  1. Does it bundle.. by sirber · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does it bundle Windows 10 and telemetry?

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    1. Re:Does it bundle.. by GuB-42 · · Score: 4, Funny

      How about KB971033?

    2. Re:Does it bundle.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      microsoft is attempting to pull trojan?

    3. Re:Does it bundle.. by forgottenusername · · Score: 2

      I'd like to know too. I only use windows for gaming at this point but I've not updated my gaming rig since they started with all the invasive pointless tracking crap.

      I'd rather just run without updates than wade through the mess of BS that is their updates to figure out what is actually going to be applied.

    4. Re:Does it bundle.. by dotgain · · Score: 1

      That would be... convenient

    5. Re:Does it bundle.. by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'll 3rd that too. What _exact_ updates are and are not included?

      Courtesy of aurgathor, here is a list of updates to avoid. Doe anyone have a more up-to-date list? TIA

      KB2505438 - Slow performance in applications that use the DirectWrite API on a computer that is running Windows 7 or Windows Server 2008 R2 = It often breaks fonts (see also KB454826)
      KB2670838 - Platform update for Windows 7 SP1 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1 = breaks AERO functionality and gives you blurry fonts on some websites
      KB2922324 - (reportedly pulled, uninstall it anyway if already installed)
      KB2952664 - Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7 = Windows 7 nagware patch that touts the Windows 10 upgrade
      KB2976978 - prepares system for upgrade to Windows 10
      KB2977759 - Compatibility update for Windows 7 RTM = W10 Diagnostics Compatibility telemetry
      KB2990214 - Update that enables you to upgrade from Windows 7 to a later version of Windows

      KB3014460 - affects windows 8 only
      KB3015249 - adds more damn telemetry
      KB3021917 - Update to Windows 7 SP1 for performance improvements (telemetry)
      KB3022345 - Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry -> Replaced by KB3080149
      KB3035583 - pitches the free Windows 10 upgrade
      KB3044374 - prepares system for upgrade to Windows 10
      KB3050265 - Windows Update Client for Windows 7: June 2015 = WU service updated to accept upgrade to W10 + other fixes
      KB3068707 - Customer experience telemetry points (update appears to be nuked from microsoft.com)
      KB3068708 - Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry
      KB3075249 - Update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7
      KB3080149 - Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry

    6. Re:Does it bundle.. by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 4, Informative

      I would add to that:

      KB3075851 prepares system for upgrade to Windows 10, Windows Update Client Update Allows Windows 10 install Win7, Svr2008r2

      New Nonsense, updated 3/10/2016 - KB3123862 "Updates capabilities to upgrade Win8.1 and Win7".

      If you have IE11 - KB3139929 and KB3146449 try to patch IE11 for Win7 and Win8 with ads for win10.

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    7. Re:Does it bundle.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, this update sounds a little *too* convenient. Until I go through the KB listing to make sure it doesn't install the Windows 10 "upgrade" stuff I'm not touching it.

      This kind of nonsense is one of the reasons I still use AutoPatcher rather than trusting Microsoft to be honest.

    8. Re:Does it bundle.. by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 5, Informative

      YES THEY ARE. After careful analysis of the KB's included in the rollup, I have found three turds in the punchbowl. They are:

      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3068708) -- KB3068708 installs telemetry service, prepares for upgrade to Windows 10, CEIP Win7, Win8.1, Svr2008R2, Svr2012R2
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3075249) -- KB3075249 Adds Telemetry points to consent.exe (UAC tracking bullshit) Win7 Win8.1 RT8.1, Svr2008R2, Svr2012R2
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3080149) -- KB3080149 Timezone fixes, may add yet more telemetry, posible CEIP bullshit Win7 SP1, 8.1, Svr2008R2, Svr2012R2

      Nice try, fuckers. I believe these can be removed after the rollup is installed by the command line (Replacing the "kbxxxxxxx" with the appropriate number):

      wusa.exe /kb:3080149 /uninstall /quiet /norestart

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    9. Re:Does it bundle.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the update catalog, his "convenience rollup" bundles these 123 updates:
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2574819)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2603229)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2607047)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2607576)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2633952)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2639308)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2640148)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2647753)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2660075)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2661254)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2677070)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2679255)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2699779)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2709630)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2709981)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2719857)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2726535)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2731771)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2732059)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2732487)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2732500)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2735855)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2739159)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2741355)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2749655)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2756822)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2760730)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2762895)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2763523)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2773072)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2779562)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2786081)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2786400)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2791765)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2794119)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2798162)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2799926)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2800095)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2808679)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2813956)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2829104)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2830477)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2834140)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2835174)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2836502)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2843630)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2846960)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2846960)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2847077)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2852386)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2853952)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2863058)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2868116)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2882822)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2888049)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2890882)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2891804)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2893519)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2904266)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2905454)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2908783)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2913152)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2913431)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2913751)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2918077)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2919469)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2922717)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2923398)
      Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2923545)
      Upd

    10. Re:Does it bundle.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking someone would tag this article as 'itsatrap'

    11. Re:Does it bundle.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you get windows 10 upgrade nonsense on a brand new windows 8.1 install, DURING THE FUCKING INSTALL, complete with the "now" or "later" options but no "fuck off, microsoft", EVEN if you customize privacy options and deselect recommended updates ('important' only, then)... then after you sneak past that intrusion, windows update itself will pull the same shit... again, with 'recommended' updates off, "critical" or "important" ones only. there is absolutely no universe where this windows 10 bullshit, including the "telemetry" should be considered "important" or "critical". microsoft is fucking delusional.

      i can't wait to see the global shitstorm when the world's 7 and 8.1 computers are all mysteriously and magically "upgraded" to 10 even when updates are off or set to manual... you watch, that's the next step in microsoft's "bend over and LIKE IT" policy.

    12. Re:Does it bundle.. by yuhong · · Score: 1

      FYI, the only important one is KB3075249, and it does say that the new version "Reduces the network connections on a Windows system that doesn't participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program (CEIP)."

    13. Re:Does it bundle.. by yuhong · · Score: 1

      Sorry, correct KB article number is KB3068708

    14. Re:Does it bundle.. by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      how can you know? MS has gone off the deep end, buried bad code in 'patches' and won't level with us what they do.

      a year ago, I turned off updates. I locked down my win7 installs.

      nothing is going to make me accept another MS patch. from now until windows ceases to exist, I will never install another MS patch.

      I do most of my work on linux and I very rarely use windows for network things. if I get owned, I'll restore from backups.

      MS has lied too many times; I just cannot trust them. I'll take my chances on my own, thank you very much.

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    15. Re:Does it bundle.. by yuhong · · Score: 1

      Sorry, the right KB article is KB3080149. KB3068708 is the original patch, KB3080149 is the new version.

    16. Re:Does it bundle.. by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Ah! Thx! I see I missed a few. Again from dslreports:

      KB3050267 - prepares system for upgrade to Windows 10
      KB3065987 - makes âoeimprovementsâ to the windows update client (really just more Win10 bullshit)
      KB3065988
      KB3068707 - Customer experience telemetry points (update appears to be nuked from microsoft.com)
      KB3068708 - installs telemetry service, prepares system for upgrade to Windows 10
      KB3075249 - adds yet more telemetry
      KB3075851 - makes âoeimprovementsâ to the windows update client (really just more Win10 bullshit)
      KB3075853 - updated Windows Update stuff for the upgrade process
      KB3080149 - adds yet more telemetry
      KB3083225 - ???
      KB3083324 - Update Client for Windows 7
      KB3083325 - ???
      KB3083710 - Windows Update Client for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2: October 2015
      KB3083711 - Windows Update Client for Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2: October 2015 ()

    17. Re:Does it bundle.. by cfalcon · · Score: 2

      Why would there be any internet connections on one that doesn't participate?

      Anyway, this unsurprisingly has the trojan horse tracking guys that they added last year. Given that it is a roll-up of all their updates, and the tracking ones are in there, that is no surprise.

    18. Re:Does it bundle.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get windows 8.0, use volume license crack, you will never get 8.1 with volume license activation, windows 10, or any update since january i think, ever

      windows update will do nothing at all, nothing

      finally live in peace until a blaster hits, then install gentoo and stop being a fag

    19. Re:Does it bundle.. by yuhong · · Score: 1

      I don't think it is that bad, but yes it would be interesting to compare KB3068708 vs KB3080149.

    20. Re: Does it bundle.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pull the ethernet cable out of the machine or disable the internet when installing windows.

    21. Re:Does it bundle.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The official Microsoft Press Release detailed this rollup very clearly.
      They even released a video that explains it in great detail.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo
      What else do you want?

    22. Re:Does it bundle.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/853510

    23. Re:Does it bundle.. by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      Trusting MS to be honest is like trusting a rattlesnake not to bite.. After using and supporting MS products for damn near 20 years, when I retired I decided I was done with their bullshit.. After seeing what a turd in the punchbowl Windows 10 is, I couldn't be happier.. Linux 100%

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    24. Re:Does it bundle.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So disgusting that even service packs from MS can't be trusted anymore, since they contain hidden garbage that no one except MS wants on your PC. Remember when patches were for the users' benefit? No more.

    25. Re:Does it bundle.. by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      The official Microsoft Press Release detailed this mantrap very clearly.
      They even released a video showing what happens when you step on the spikes.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
      What else do you want?

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    26. Re:Does it bundle.. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Is there some way to pre-emptively block these updates without having to manually select them? Like a registry edit that marks them as hidden do-not-install?

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    27. Re:Does it bundle.. by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

      Yes, supposedly, when you un-select them in Windows Update, then right-click and "Hide Update", refreshing the available updates to install makes them disappear.

      BUT, somehow like a painful rectal itch, it keeps coming back. I set updates to manual and check each time I go and collect them once a month or so, and fuck if there isn't one or more of them, back ready to install again. Be sure to check "optional" updates as well as "recommended" / "important", some of the "poisoned" updates appear there as well.

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    28. Re:Does it bundle.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a list as well: http://www.intern3ts.com/general/technology/res/950.php

    29. Re:Does it bundle.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it does.

      If you don't want the Windows 10 upgrade notification, there is a simple fix for that

      Using Regedit, Open HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE \SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx
      Create: DisableGwx
      Type: REG_DWORD
      Value: 1

      That's it, no more win10 notification.

    30. Re:Does it bundle.. by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be shocked if it has code that slows Windows7 down horribly enough to make you want to upgrade (or reformat). I'd like to think I'm paranoid but my WinXP boxes always ran well until Win7 came out and started getting pushed harder, after a while every update seemed to bring worse performance.

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    31. Re:Does it bundle.. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      nothing is going to make me accept another MS patch. from now until windows ceases to exist, I will never install another MS patch.

      Hey we're just checking our records here at the Friendly and Socially Responsible Computer Help Centre. Do you mind sharing with us your IP address? This will allow us to ... uah... help you.

    32. Re:Does it bundle.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      127.0.0.1 is my address.

    33. Re:Does it bundle.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did exactly the same thing as you. Now Windows is regularly launching a browser without my consent or input and nagging me to turn on Windows Update! I use Linux mostly, and will eventually replace Win 7 on this laptop with Linux, but it's kind of fun to watch how desperate Microsoft is becoming to enslave users with their Windows 10 malware.

    34. Re:Does it bundle.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Now Windows is regularly launching a browser without my consent or input and nagging me to turn on Windows Update!

      Whew, I must've stopped updating right before this behavior was enacted- because I see no such nag. But hearing your story validates my (and others') decision.

      I wonder if you can research which KB update includes this nag & delete it?
      The CMD Line syntax to do that is this: wusa.exe /kb:1234567 /uninstall /quiet /norestart
      *replacing 1-7 with the appropriate update of course.

    35. Re:Does it bundle.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you un-install KB2670838 your Windows 7 users will get Internet Explorer rolled back to IE 8.0

    36. Re:Does it bundle.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can this:
      - install all update
      - creating a bat file with the command wusa /uninstall /kb:XXXXXXX /quiet /norestart for each update and a run it. All telemetry updates are uninstalled by the bat file
      - go to the update center again and have check for the updates
      - the list should only contain those that you uninstall with the bat file
      - select all of then right-click and "Hide Update"

    37. Re:Does it bundle.. by aquabat · · Score: 1

      Of the four mentioned, the first one adds SURT functionality to the dism command line, and the other three are just CEIP and UAC telemetry. I would avoid the telemetry patches, personally, but the SURT patch is actually pretty useful; instead of having to re-download a 500k update every time I want to fix a broken Update database, or go find the .msu file on my drive and re-install it, I can just type "dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealth", and it runs SURT using the saved .cabs from the first download/run of the update.

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    38. Re:Does it bundle.. by aquabat · · Score: 1

      and also, this list has KB2846960 listed twice.

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  2. I betcha! by wkwilley2 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How much you want to bet that GWX.exe is bundled?

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    1. Re:I betcha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I just checked the update catalog. It does not include KB3035583.

    2. Re:I betcha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, don't use windows, wtf is gwx?

    3. Re:I betcha! by Dominare · · Score: 1

      It's their "nag you about upgrading to windows 10" software - GWX: Get Windows 10

    4. Re:I betcha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get Windows 10. It starts your PC down the path of berating you constantly to "upgrade."

    5. Re:I betcha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is the Get Windows 10 app. It's entire purpose is to force you into upgrading.

    6. Re:I betcha! by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 2

      Where did you find this?

      I found a list of KB's _NOT_ included, and a .XLS list of the files in the update, but those were the actual files of the updates, not the KB-update packages listed here: https://support.microsoft.com/...

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    7. Re:I betcha! by pezpunk · · Score: 3, Funny

      not force. hound, trick, annoy, mislead, badger, pester, cajole, deceive, manipulate, and confuse, yes, but not force.

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    8. Re:I betcha! by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

      Nevermind, I found it.

      The update catalog page where you put the files into your "basket", there is a "Package Details" tab, and there it lists the 123 KB files that are included ("replaced").

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    9. Re: I betcha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sorry but no.

      When you explicitly tell it not to upgrade to win 10 and it upgrades you overnight anyway, that is called forced.

      You may wish to update your personal (and incorrect) definition of the word as to enable proper communications with all other English speakers.

    10. Re:I betcha! by WheezyJoe · · Score: 2

      Exactly right. See here for a tool to disable it: GWX_control_panel. Been using it for months, nag-free.

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    11. Re:I betcha! by jimbrooking · · Score: 1

      How about another Win 10 nagger KB3150513 ?

    12. Re:I betcha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crosschecking aurgathor's list against what Microsoft lists as being in the rollup, I see three telemetry updates but no reference to the Win10 malware.

      KB3068708 - Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry
      KB3075249 - Update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7
      KB3080149 - Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry

    13. Re:I betcha! by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      Yes force. I've personally encountered 3 instances so far of windows 10 installing on it's own without the consent of the user. Twice while the user was in the middle of working on the computer, and once overnight on a non-patch day.

    14. Re:I betcha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's because kb3035583 is obsolete. they've found other, more "reliable", methods of forcing windows 10 down peoples throats. kb3035583 gave the user's the (obfuscated at times) choice.. but microsoft doesn't give us that anymore.

    15. Re:I betcha! by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Home Edition, Professional, Enterprise, or Ultimate edition? Mine never forced the upgrade on me, and my son is still running Win7 despite the occasional nags. We had/have Home (Premium) edition.

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    16. Re:I betcha! by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      Windows 7 professional on one, windows 8.1 (probably home, it was whatever came with the users laptop) on the other. On the windows 7 box it also managed to somehow circumvent GWX control panel and re-enable OS upgrades in windows updates.

    17. Re:I betcha! by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      I guess it's a Win Professional thing then..? Perhaps MS justifies this by assuming the workstation is used for business purposes, and thus the upgrade is more "critical" or "secure" (bwhahaa) somehow..?

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  3. Telemetry Rollup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Very convenient indeed. Does it also come with the GWX nagware ?

  4. Convenient for them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    ...in that it gives you the Windows 10 nagging, telemetry, and other "improvements" all in one!

  5. Nelson "Ha Ha" pointed at me by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I click on the first link using Safari from my Macbook hoping to see some details. And why not? I run various MS VMs on my Macbook so I want to see whats on offer for me. Note that the link is simply "http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Search.aspx?q=3125574" That seems reasonable.

    The website comes back at me with:

    Thank you for visiting the Microsoft Update Catalog

    This website does not offer updates for the operating system on this computer.

    This website only provides updates for computers running Windows 2000 Sp3, Windows XP or Windows Server 2003 and later. If you prefer to use a different Windows operating system, you can obtain updates from the Microsoft Download Center.

    Thanks MS.

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    1. Re:Nelson "Ha Ha" pointed at me by omnichad · · Score: 4, Informative

      Chrome on Windows is almost as bad - "To use this Web site's full functionality, you must be running Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 or later."

      Here's the direct download links: x86 x64

    2. Re:Nelson "Ha Ha" pointed at me by sirber · · Score: 1

      The site failed to load on "Internet Explorer 11", plugin install error. Who uses plugins in 2016?

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    3. Re:Nelson "Ha Ha" pointed at me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? It makes sense to you to try to patch your guest OSes by connecting to the update site with a completely different host OS?

    4. Re:Nelson "Ha Ha" pointed at me by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really? It makes sense to you to try to patch your guest OSes by connecting to the update site with a completely different host OS?

      No, it makes sense to look at data on a website using a application that communicates in an agnostic protocol called HTTP

      But yes .. if I can pull down an install file once to local storage and locally distribute it to the needed systems what does it matter what the intermediate OS is?

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    5. Re:Nelson "Ha Ha" pointed at me by Nunya666 · · Score: 2

      Really? It makes sense to you to try to patch your guest OSes by connecting to the update site with a completely different host OS?

      No, it makes sense to look at data on a website using a application that communicates in an agnostic protocol called HTTP

      But yes .. if I can pull down an install file once to local storage and locally distribute it to the needed systems what does it matter what the intermediate OS is?

      It is good security practice to open questionable links in a completely different host OS. Thanks to the malware known as Windows 10, all links that point to Microsoft should be tested with a non-Windows OS.

    6. Re:Nelson "Ha Ha" pointed at me by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I followed the link because I thought it had information. Can an OSX or Linux computer connect to figure out what's in an update or not? I can't connect to any http://catalog.update.microsof... site, which is what the article pointed to, or even to update.microsoft.com.

    7. Re:Nelson "Ha Ha" pointed at me by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Is Microsoft still using that ActiveX control to detect if your Windows license key is blacklisted before letting you download updates?

    8. Re:Nelson "Ha Ha" pointed at me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you.

    9. Re:Nelson "Ha Ha" pointed at me by bvt · · Score: 1

      2 hours my computer has been trying to install this convenience roll-up. I'm about to turn it off and revisit trying to get Windows 7 updated in a few weeks. Too bad.

  6. If it weighs the same as a duck... by omnichad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So why can't they just call it a Service Pack? Because their support policy would require them to extend mainstream support for 24 months.

    1. Re:If it weighs the same as a duck... by flatt · · Score: 2

      Also, traditionally Service Packs have included previously unreleased fixes/features and are fully regression tested.

    2. Re:If it weighs the same as a duck... by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Microsoft has never released a service pack so late in their product cycle, from their perspective there's now three significant Windows versions (8, 8.1 and 10) since 7. If you've ever had to install a fresh Windows machine you'd know installing all the updates is a pain in the ass, it doesn't do them all in one go it's updates then more new updates then even more new updates. I've wanted them to either fix that or do post-service pack rollups at least as far back as Windows 2000, so at face value it'd be an improvement. But I don't see Microsoft going back to redo a patching system they've thrown out in Win10 to do us a favor, it seems far more likely they want to bundle it all from security patching to ads to telemetry to nagware. By the way, I noticed the 583 update has been enabled in my update center again, I've hidden it many times and run the GWX Control Panel to disable all that shit but Microsoft keeps re-enabling things. Hopefully they're serious about the end of free upgrades because hopefully I'll then be free of this shit.

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    3. Re:If it weighs the same as a duck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You guys know about WSUS Offline Update, don't you? Download all the patches and install them offline. Much quicker than letting Windows download them piecemeal (and obviously can be used to update machines that don't have a fast internet connection).

    4. Re:If it weighs the same as a duck... by ITRambo · · Score: 1

      Because it's an update rollup, not a service pack. They're calling it what it is.

    5. Re:If it weighs the same as a duck... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      And that's been most of what a service pack is since XP.

    6. Re:If it weighs the same as a duck... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      You guys know about WSUS Offline Update, don't you? Download all the patches and install them offline. Much quicker than letting Windows download them piecemeal (and obviously can be used to update machines that don't have a fast internet connection).

      You know that this doesn't work, right? The offline servicing model can't patch certain things, and it doesn't know which it can't patch.
      For example, certain updates that require a reboot cannot be patched together via offline servicing. You have to install one set of updates, then process the next. It's on YOU to figure out which ones conflict.

      Certain updates cannot be applied via offline servicing at all.

      Other updates won't be detected as necessary until other updates are installed, such as those for later versions of IE or WMP. If you process an IE11 update before processing the update that installs IE11 itself, the IE11 update will never be applied unless you specifically know to reprocess it. If you are trying to build a clean image offline, your shit still needs to be updated the instant you boot it and install Office WhateverYearItIs.

      The ONLY way to handle building a clean Windows image is to use a VM with Windows installed and booted into System Audit mode, then patched each Patch Tuesday. If you want to DEPLOY this image (actually use it), you need to snapshot your VM, then run Sysprep with the Shutdown and Generalize options. Then you have a VM ready to be captured via boot media, PXE, or whatever.
      THEN you roll back your snapshot to undo the Sysprep, Generalize step, which subtracts 1 from your rearm counter. If you don't do this, you're fucked after the third time. There's a way to blow out chunks of the registry via the command line if you boot to the system recovery console, and you can reset the Rearm counter, but as of January 2016 this doesn't actually fix the issues with deploying and authenticating Windows 7 from that image. I don't know what else MS added to detect tampering to the rearm counter, but it wasn't worth my time to figure it out. I am now resigned to maintaining and coddling a Windows 7 image in a VM because MS is shit.

    7. Re:If it weighs the same as a duck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and of course, the telemetry, spying and windows 10 'readiness' updates would never pass their full suite of testing a proper service pack would receive.

    8. Re:If it weighs the same as a duck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also traditionally, releasing Service Pack 2 means that the product is now sufficiently tested to be rolled out by corporate IT.

    9. Re:If it weighs the same as a duck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need to worry about the rearm counter if you have a KMS server setup on your network that is accessible by the VM. If Windows can reach a working KMS server when running sysprep then it doesn't touch the rearm counter.

      That is one of many reasons why Microsoft provides KMS keys to volume license customers and highly encourages you to use KMS rather than MAK activation.

    10. Re:If it weighs the same as a duck... by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

      You guys know about WSUS Offline Update, don't you? Download all the patches and install them offline. Much quicker than letting Windows download them piecemeal (and obviously can be used to update machines that don't have a fast internet connection).

      You know that this doesn't work, right? The offline servicing model can't patch certain things, and it doesn't know which it can't patch.
      For example, certain updates that require a reboot cannot be patched together via offline servicing. You have to install one set of updates, then process the next. It's on YOU to figure out which ones conflict.

      In my experience, WSUS Offline Update (http://www.wsusoffline.net/) does handle that:
      When it hits the point where it cannot proceed because a previous update is not fully installed yet, it will display a message that tells you to reboot the computer and restart the update installer. Which can be a bit tedious, but still gets the job done.

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    11. Re:If it weighs the same as a duck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It works very well actually. It processes the updates in order, and if you give it permission, it will automatically reboot when necessary and continue installing updates after the reboot, until it has installed them all. It can still take hours to do, depending on the speed of the machine, but you don't have to babysit it waiting for the next reboot to kick off the next set of updates.

  7. do they have an windows 2008r2 one? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    do they have an windows 2008r2 one? New 2008r2 ISO?

    1. Re:do they have an windows 2008r2 one? by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

      Yes there was an update for Server 2008 as well as W7 32 and 64 bit. They are distributed as .MSU files, not .ISO.

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    2. Re:do they have an windows 2008r2 one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could slipstream the entire update manually I believe.

  8. This. Also advertising. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly what I was thinking. Amazing how you can be a honkin' big company and pull fast ones on your customers... and keep on getting away with it. If that's not a monopoly, I don't know what is.

  9. Download FAIL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow - you need IE6 or later. Just make it one big download! Geeez!

  10. Yeah right by mea2214 · · Score: 2

    I'd rather contact that Nigerian Prince who keeps emailing me than fall for this.

    1. Re:Yeah right by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      I'd rather contact that Nigerian Prince...

      He's now an H1B working for MS

    2. Re:Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather contact that Nigerian Prince...

      He's now an H1B working for MS

      No, he's now the H1B CEO of Microsoft

  11. Looks like you cannot deselect Windows 10 by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1, Insightful

    In spite of what Mary Jo Floey says, Microsoft still appears to be totally focused on moving everyone to Windows 10. This "Convenience Rollup" looks to be little more than some pretty wrapping paper that attempts to hide Windows 10 upgrade preparations for the remaining Windows 7 PCs. It installs all the "recommended" updates, one of which appears to be Windows 10.

    1. Re:Looks like you cannot deselect Windows 10 by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 1

      But - after all is installed - can you go back and uninstall the KB patches specific to the Win10 update (e.g., KB3035883)?

      Because if you can it just /might/ be a useful alternative to manually updating Windows7; just run the "Convenience-'We-Can't-call-it-a-Service-Pack-without-extending-the-product-lifespan'-Rollup", uninstall the ten or so Win10/telemetry patches, and you're good to go.

    2. Re:Looks like you cannot deselect Windows 10 by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

      Got a source? Seems like an obvious lie if it's really true, since why install all the updates if you're just going to upgrade a machine to Win 10?

    3. Re:Looks like you cannot deselect Windows 10 by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      ... why install all the updates if you're just going to upgrade a machine to Win 10?

      Exactly. Hide the Win 10 upgrade in plain sight in the "convenience rollup" so that it is installed without a person explicitly knowing it. According to TFA, all the recommended updates are in the rollup, and the Windows 10 update is a recommended update. That's about on the same level of sleaziness as the other malware-like tricks Microsoft has been using to sneak Windows 10 on to Windows 7 PCs.

      .
      Or haven't you been paying attention these past couple of weeks?

    4. Re:Looks like you cannot deselect Windows 10 by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

      That's terrible, AND a waste of disk space. The Win10 upgrade is just going to wipe everything anyway.

    5. Re:Looks like you cannot deselect Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's terrible, AND a waste of disk space. The Win10 upgrade is just going to wipe everything anyway.

      Nadella is willing to waste all the W7-related bandwith that most computers are not going to use once W7 pushes the obligatory W10 switcheroo... is hidden telemetry really that lucrative that they can make it all back? Gives me shivers.

    6. Re:Looks like you cannot deselect Windows 10 by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      That's terrible, AND a waste of disk space. The Win10 upgrade is just going to wipe everything anyway.

      And your point is?

      .
      The goal looks to be to trick the person into upgrading to Windows 10. So far as Microsoft is concerned, I doubt if they care one iota about wasted disk space.

    7. Re:Looks like you cannot deselect Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But - after all is installed - can you go back and uninstall the KB patches specific to the Win10 update (e.g., KB3035883)?

      In theory... Provided that you are faster than the Windows 10 installer ;-)

    8. Re:Looks like you cannot deselect Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some convenience - I just happened to to be doing a fresh install of Windows 7 and thought this would save me the hassle of hours of "Checking for updates..." followed by over 200 update installs. Joke's on me - "This update is not appropriate for your computer" or some such nonsense. Yes I had installed SP 1, and yes I had selected the right version of Windows (x64 in my case). Meanwhile May's Windows 10 updates had two different PC's running at 100% CPU for hours before I gave up. (One PC went back to Windows 8.1, the other PC is the one I am doing a fresh install of Windows 7 on. And yes, Steve Gibson's Never10 is now installed on both of them.) But the bigger message is Microsoft updates are a total mess. [Walks away, shaking his head...]

  12. "Convenience"? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    As in "convenience store"? Costs and arm and a leg and 10 times what it should, and in the end you don't get what you really need anyway?

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  13. Does this mean by taustin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that when I reinstall Windows 7 SP 1 I won't have to wait 24 hours for automatic Windows Updates to run the first round of patches, because the list of updates is so big the manual update system chokes on it?

    Seriously, Microsoft, this should have been done a year ago for that reason alone.

    1. Re:Does this mean by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sadly, Microsoft doesn't want to provide a slipstreamed Windows 7 "patch". That way they can force all their malware, adware, and spam ads on you.

      Agreed that this should have been done long ago. WhyTF wasn't there a Windows 7 SP2 already?

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    2. Re:Does this mean by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      WhyTF wasn't there a Windows 7 SP2 already?

      Had the same story with XP .. lots of updates but not SP for a long time

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    3. Re:Does this mean by slapout · · Score: 1

      Windows XP had 3 service packs
      Windows Vista had 2 service packs
      Windows 7 had 1 service pack
      Windows 8 had 0 service packs

      They can't break that record

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    4. Re:Does this mean by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      Windows 8 had 0 service packs not true if you count 8.1 as one.

      Windows 10 had 1 so far but they did not call it an SP.

    5. Re:Does this mean by taustin · · Score: 2

      Sure they can. Windows 10 will have updates that actively remove functionality. For instance, by adding more and more (and more and more and more) ads, they remove the functionality of actually being able to use the computer.

      (Plus, you left out 8.1, which was the SP for 8.)

    6. Re:Does this mean by jon3k · · Score: 1

      WhyTF wasn't there a Windows 7 SP2 already?

      Because they are required to provide support based on the release of the last service pack. If they called this a "Service Pack" they would be required to extend the End of Life date on Windows 7 which they obviously don't want to do.

    7. Re:Does this mean by dwywit · · Score: 1

      As soon as you re-install W7 SP1, go and grab the latest WU agent-
      https://support.microsoft.com/...

      It takes away much of the pain in getting WU to even work on a fresh install. I mean ~2.3 GB of RAM just running WU?

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    8. Re:Does this mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Always first install KB3102810 on a fresh system.

    9. Re:Does this mean by Deathlizard · · Score: 1

      One of the worst decisions MS ever made is to tie Software support to Service pack and Point releases. They would be much better off setting the lifecycle date hard to 10 years after initial release and extend it by announcements if necessary.

      All that policy does is make them call service packs anything but service packs, delay or flat out cancel them to avoid extending OS lifecycle (which is the main reason why 7 takes forever to update anymore) and confuse the hell out of Sysadmin staff trying to figure out what Version of OS users are on. (EX: Windows 8 should be 8.4 by now instead of 8, 8.1, 8.1 update 1, 8.1 update 2, ETC)

      Windows 7 updates are so bad anymore, it's almost alone a reason to upgrade to Windows 10. At least with 10 they're doing the Cumulative security updates like they do for IE so there's only a few patches to download from a fresh install. On a fresh windows 7 install It's takes hours just to get 7 to see updates, and during that entire time it's sucking down 100% on one or your CPU cores and SVCHost taking 1GB or RAM in the process. You can kiss the rest of your RAM goodbye when it actually updates for 6 hours and starts thrashing the drive for Swap space in the process on anything short of a 16GB machine.

      Almost all of my Windows 7 "my Computer is Slow" calls the past 3 months have been due to windows update and the only fix is either install windows 10, or install the optional windows update client of the month, which basically is the same thing as installing windows 10 since the GWX will force it on them at some point and the telemetry patches are all included as well, not to mention that all it does is take that 1GB of SVCHost ram usage and Shift it to TrustedInstaller during the patch install session.

    10. Re:Does this mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly even after 12+ hours of trying to install this file my PC still does not update. I was thinking great finally a way to update this laptop and get windows 10 on it...Nope this "rollup" got my hopes up for nothing.

    11. Re:Does this mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've also removed the functionality of letting Cortana open up results in other web browsers after Mozilla had the temerity to provide that as an option where Firefox was made the default browser.

    12. Re:Does this mean by slapout · · Score: 1

      So, we'll have negative updates. We can start using negative numbers:

      SP -1 : Removes abc
      SP -2 : Removes def
      SP -3 : Removes xyz

      Then MS can keep their record

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  14. Monthly rollups are the real news, and its bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    We are going to get the non-security updates force-fed to us. It is all or nothing. You don't want Windows 10, but you will get the bad practices of it anyway.

    https://blogs.technet.microsof...

    " Also today we are announcing that non-security updates for Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1 (as well as Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1, Windows Server 2012 and Windows Server 2012 R2) will be available as a monthly rollup (fixes rolled up together into a single update). Each month, we will release a single update containing all of the non-security fixes for that month. We are making this change â" shifting to rollup updates, to improve the reliability and quality of our updates.

    These fixes will be available through Windows Update, WSUS, and SCCM as well as the Microsoft Update catalog. We hope this monthly rollup update simplifies your process of keeping Windows 7, and 8.1 up-to-date."

    Also note the part (not quoted above) where Microsoft states that updates will no longer be available from the Download Center, but only from the Microsoft Update Catalog. The Internet Explorer / Active-X only abomination.

  15. you're just fucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In spite of what Mary Jo Floey says, Microsoft still appears to be totally focused on moving everyone to Windows 10. This "Convenience Rollup" looks to be little more than some pretty wrapping paper that attempts to hide Windows 10 upgrade preparations for the remaining Windows 7 PCs. It installs all the "recommended" updates, one of which appears to be Windows 10.

    If you're running unpatched Windows 7 you're going to get fucked by scumware.

    If you're patching Windows 7 you're going to get fucked by Microsoft and possibly scumware; eventually an update will roll in that will nearly cripple your system in one way or another and the only fix will be to either reinstall Win 7 and years of patches or upgrade to Win 10.

    1. Re:you're just fucked by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      If you're running unpatched Windows 7 you're going to get fucked by scumware.

      If you're patching Windows 7 you're going to get fucked by Microsoft and possibly scumware; eventually an update will roll in that will nearly cripple your system in one way or another and the only fix will be to either reinstall Win 7 and years of patches or upgrade to Win 10.

      I'll take the scumware over Microsoft.

      As I only use Win7 in a VM under Linux, I shall restore an earlier Win7 snapshot when the scumware hits me. I shall have moved any significant data out of reach into the host OS. This is a further option.

  16. Re:Haters are WRONG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agreed. Get it as an offline installer, and save it to the network. I still prefer images, but this is a nice option.

  17. Re:Haters are WRONG! by simplypeachy · · Score: 1

    It's not the servers, it's the client-side load placed on the Component-Based Servicing sub-system as a result of the burgeoning dependency/obsolescense trees.

  18. Loss of data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not a litigious person. But this time, I hope somebody sues Microsoft (perhaps for loss of data). That might teach them a lesson (that's the only kind of lesson they can understand).

  19. Re:Haters are WRONG! by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    Get it as an offline installer, and save it to the network.

    LOL .. see my Nelson post above.

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  20. KB2775511 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this invalidate/supersede KB2775511? I don't see it called out specifically that in includes it, or that it wasn't included (based on the KB page anyway).

    1. Re:KB2775511 by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

      It should. According to the KB description, these are ALL the updates all the way back to SP1, so it should supersede any of the previous roll-ups.

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    2. Re:KB2775511 by aquabat · · Score: 1

      And yet, when I apply this to an offline image, and then list the updates in my image, it doesn't mark any of the already added updates it's supposed to contain as "Superseded". I don't know, I'm not a Windows guy, so maybe I'm doing it wrong?

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  21. NOBODY is ever gonna use this 'rollup'.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "requires a working Internet Explorer to download"
    oh well.

    srs tho, can no-one supply a direct link? It should be available here, somewhere:
    http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/search.aspx?q=kb3125574
    but the joys of getting MS Cat site and Active X controls functional appear voodoo rituals, the workings of which are lost in time.

    Wouldnt mind updating a few boxes, but no way in hell im going through this nonsense on all of them.

  22. Re:Haters are WRONG! by WheezyJoe · · Score: 2

    Doesn't GWX Control Panel solve the problem? I installed this little app months ago to prevent unintended upgrades to 10 and just plain naggery, and I haven't seen anything since. But I also avoid "optional" updates from Microsoft, and only install those labeled "critical" or "security". Has anyone run this tool and still gotten nagged by Microsoft to update, like some "optional" update that defeats this tool?

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  23. Win10 needs betting nameing for big updates by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Win10 needs betting nameing for big updates.

    They should call them windows 10 SPX or Windows 10.X and not windows 10 build XXXX.

    Windows 8/8.1 was really bad with that.

    1. Re:Win10 needs betting nameing for big updates by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is assuming everyone will always update in the future. Thus no need to worry about build number since the entire universe should be running the latest build.

  24. It's faster, too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only 23 hours to install, rather than 24.

    Once you go Mac, you'll never want to go back.

    1. Re:It's faster, too! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      Once you go Mac, you'll never want to go back. Really?

      When you see how bad the pricing and hardware the mac pro is you will go back.

      http://forums.macrumors.com/th...

    2. Re:It's faster, too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not even Apple runs Mac. They use iPads and Linux&Windows on the back end.

      There is considerable evidence that Mac is going away, to be folded in to the iPad crowd. If there is no MacPro update at the next interval, it's a strong liklihood.

      I don't understand why anyone would give up the software ecosystem of Windows for a the smaller ecosystem of Mac, which isn't all that good. If you can tolerate ditching Windows, you might as well go to Linux instead and truly be free.

    3. Re:It's faster, too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not with systemdick in your anus, thats not the way to freedom, its the way to butthurt

    4. Re:It's faster, too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm ..... I went Mac back around 1999-2000 when OS X was new and never wanted to go back ever since. I still have a Windows PC too because I try to keep up with everything (and want to play some games that only run in Windows). But bashing on the pricing of the new Mac Pro is meaningless, really.

      The new Mac Pro filled a certain niche, and still does for the right users (predominantly people using it for Final Cut Pro X editing work or with Logic Pro X in a recording studio environment). It wasn't a bad value at all back in late 2013 / early 2014 when it came out, either. (The dual graphics cards were actually a great buy vs. buying the Windows equivalents for PCIe slots.) Right now, yeah -- it's a lot of money for how it's configured. But it's a 2+ year old design that hasn't been refreshed yet.

      Look at, say, the 27" 5K iMac. There are only 4 or 5 displays on the market right now that do 5K resolution and they cost about the same price as the 27" iMac 5K. So it's like Apple's giving you the whole computer free when you buy the display!

    5. Re:It's faster, too! by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      systemd? ick...... I think that sums it up quite nicely...

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  25. IGNORE ABOVE -DIRECT LINKS HERE: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9120519&cid=52129849

    direct links in post linked above - can someone mod that up pls?, is useful.

  26. Microsoft sockpuppet alert! by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've noticed many times before that Microsoft paid shills swirl the Slashdot forum posting lies and thinly veiled FUD - and usually there are a few sockpuppet accounts ready to mod them up. Please folks, don't fall for this paid propaganda machine.

    These sockpuppets will possibly mod this post down, but no matter, I'll repost again.

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    1. Re:Microsoft sockpuppet alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are no paid shills here. Of course that immediately puts suspission on me, but let's face facts here: Slashdot is not the tech powerhouse it once was. Perhaps during its peak there were paid shills, but I strongly doubt it now. It'd be a waste of Microsoft's money and would not have any measurable impact compared to a side such as reddit.

      More likely, you'll find people here who perhaps are burnt out on Linux and use Windows instead, or people who don't like incorrect information or myths pandered continuously about Windows in the Linux community and feel the need to correct them. It's less about defending Microsoft and more about trying to stop the stereotype of the typical Linux zealot from spreading FUD about a platform they don't even use anymore.

    2. Re:Microsoft sockpuppet alert! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Somehow I seriously doubt that someone with a UID that low is a Microsoft shill. Shilling is normally a short term program not something that spans the years of some slashdot accounts.

      That said:
      - "Everyone who disagrees with me" is not a shill
      - Fanboys are not shills
      - Batshit stupid idiots who don't know any better are not shills either.

      It's almost impossible to tell apart the above in most cases.

  27. Re:Haters are WRONG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everyone posting is saying "OMG, it's full of spyware! I'm NEVER going to install this...."

    That would be a mistake.

    Since the introduction of Windows 10, the windows update servers that are serving the patches for Windows 7 have become unbearably slow. It now takes almost a whole day to download and install the 200+ updates.

    Instead, you can just install this rollup package, and save yourself several hours of wating to install updates. This is a **GOOD** thing, people!

    This post is retarded. There are a couple of updates that are included that I *don't* want. Do you really think that the convenience of getting updates faster by using this rollup changes my position on whether or not I want the unwanted updates?

  28. Re:Haters are WRONG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bingo, and ever worse the majority of the dependency hell is single threaded.. Holy balls.

  29. Re:Haters are WRONG! by Espectr0 · · Score: 1

    The update requires a manual update from april 2015, therefore you can't just reinstall and use this update.
    Also, using the old, decrepit IE only, ActiveX only site to download it.

    This is stupid

  30. WSUS Offline Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.wsusoffline.net

    1. Re:WSUS Offline Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly, that is still a pain to go through every reinstall, because TrustedInstaller.exe still takes 4GB+ RAM to install 100+ updates, and sometimes even craps out on a 4GB system.

      Nonetheless, I still love it though. Sure beats waiting for Windows Update to do it.

  31. Still better than installing 128 updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As someone who recently installed Win7SP1 on a few PCs, my question is does this complete faster than installing the updates through windows update? On an i5 with 2GB ram and a 10MB internet connection, it took about 90 minutes to show the list of available updates, about 10 minutes to download, then about 3 hours to install. svchost climbs up to over a gig of ram, and it runs forever but eventually completes.

    If this thing can install in 20 or 30 minutes it'll save millions of man-hours for small time IT, where people haven't built test labs and slipstream updates and whatnot.

    1. Re:Still better than installing 128 updates by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      Why does anyone in their right mind couple an i5 with 2GB RAM?!?

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  32. Called from Microsoft on this by mjensen · · Score: 1

    I removed a series of updates that someone else posted. The next day I was called from Microsoft saying I am missing important updates. I was out of town and they didn't call back. Next week, did a couple more, then day after that saying I was missing important updates.

    1. Re:Called from Microsoft on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It wasn't MS. It was an a$$hat scammer.

  33. I have disabled all updates from MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have disabled the update service and will no longer be patching my Windows 7, the way I see it is I could be infected by a virus or I could be infected by a virus.

    1. Re: I have disabled all updates from MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen!!

  34. AutoPatcher by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    "... use AutoPatcher rather than trusting Microsoft..." AutoPatcher: Independent evaluation of Microsoft patches.

  35. click: by jimmydevice · · Score: 1

    Information:

            Thank you for visiting the Microsoft Update Catalog
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    To upgrade to the latest version of the browser, go to the Internet Explorer Downloads Website.
    If you prefer to use a different Web browser, you can get updates from the Microsoft Download Center.

    Fuck you M$!

  36. Is there a list of safe W7 updates? by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

    That won't install any telemetry or Windows 10 related garbage? Someone should packaged those up, or at least write a script to allow people to easily download those updates.

  37. conveniently fucking you up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are still updating Windows anything you're about to be pissed off.

    "convenience" is so obviously disingenuous to label a software update it's obviously predatory.

    The entirety of Windows is Global Mother Fucking Spyware and the bait is games. If you have a hardened 7 or 8 that came with your retail PC you may choose to keep it for the few games not on PS4. Hardened as in disable everything the OS tries to connect with remotely that you do not initiate, especially Windows Update... and firewall/hosts file all of the markmonitor shit too. You will have to search for the URLs and/or wireshark them yourselves. The pricks will update the list of IP's to connect to if you allow updates at all. Rinse lather repeat.

    Bill Gates is where you read iniquity in the Bible. Hellbound people don't care. Apparently they don't pay people who would either.

  38. Similar here, "not suitable for your computer" by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

    I'm running Windows 7 64 bit, German version.

    Tried to install the "convenience rollup" on my machine. Got the message "Dieses Update ist nicht fuer Ihren Computer geeignet" ("This update is not suitable for your computer").
    Note that I could get it only through Microsoft Update Catalog in the first place, so a user error in picking the wrong version seems pretty unlikely..

    Between this and other users' posts that warn about the rollup containing all the telemetry and GWX crap, I've deleted the useless update now and will go back to WSUS Offline Update (http://www.wsusoffline.net/). Semi-on topic, there are also some third party hints on how to speed up patching of a Windows 7 reinstall:
    At http://wu.krelay.de/en/, the author lists a few updates that are supposed to accelerate the search for missing updates, if you install them manually before starting the search. I've not tried it myself yet, as I don't want to reinstall Windows just to try it out. But other users seem happy with the advice.

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  39. Oops... by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

    Turns out that you need to install Windows6.1-KB3020369-x64.msu first. My bad...

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