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Scientists Find A 'Weak Spot' In HIV That May Pave The Way To A Vaccine (futurism.com)

iONiUM quotes a report from Futurism: Research conducted by a team from the National Institutes of Health reported a new vulnerable site on HIV for vaccines to target. It is based on an antibody from the blood of an HIV-infected patient that binds with the virus and also prevents it from infecting a cell. A recent press release reports that a team of scientists led by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) has discovered a new "weak spot" in HIV that vaccines can target. The area, called the fusion peptide, is a simple structure of eight amino acids that helps the virus fuse with a cell. According to the study, the team used a particularly powerful antibody, called VRC34.01, taken from the blood of an unnamed HIV-positive patient that caught the weak spot in the virus. It's not only capable of binding with the virus through the fusion peptide but also preventing it from infecting an entire cell.

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  1. Nice! I hope it works out by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sweeeeet! Now Slashdot nerds can have no sex but without a condom!

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  2. How is the person HIV positive? by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

    Can someone explain to me: If the person has an antibody that prevents HIV from binding to a cell, how are they HIV positive?

    1. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Khyber · · Score: 3, Informative

      HIV positive refers to the presence of the virus in the blood, not that it has infected any cells.

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    2. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Informative

      HIV is a retrovirus, it inserts it's code into the cell where it stays long term until triggered to replicate somehow. Ergo, a person could have all active viral particles removed and still be infected unless you blow away all the infected cells somehow as well. This is a large part of the reason why HIV can't be cured.

      That being said, if they can figure out how to train the body to produce these antibodies, it's possible that one could keep the infection rate of the viral particles low enough(the antibody isn't going to block 100% of viral particles from depositing their payload) that a person is effectively immune to the disease, because it just won't be successful enough at infecting cells. That would probably also have the benefit that even if they're exposed, there will be a prompt enough immune response to keep them from being a realistic infection vector, so no Typhoid Mary for them.

      That being said, there's a high probability that a vaccinated person would test as HIV positive today, because most HIV tests look for the antibodies, not the virus. Give them a vaccine that stimulates antivirus production...

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    3. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The antibody isn't 100% effective- although perhaps effective enough for people to lead a normal life. Their T-cell count was nearly normal, meaning they are doing a great job of fighting, but there was lots of HIV RNA around, meaning they were still quite infected. I believe this patient would show little to no signs of the disease while still being highly contagious.
      Who knows if it's effective enough to be a vaccine, but perhaps the bigger breakthough is that this antibody has found a chink in the armor that we are likely to be able to exploit even better in the future.
      From the supplementary material:
      "This donor was diagnosed with HIV in 2000. After more than nine years of
      infection, this donor showed a CD4 T-cells count of 463 cells/ml and a plasma HIV-1
      viral load of 4920 RNA copies/ml at the time of sample collection. This donor was not on
      antiretroviral treatment. "

    4. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      The body makes antibodies to HIV as it would any virus. An untreated HIV person has a long period without symptoms because the body is generally able to hold the virus in check- but in most humans, this is eventually a losing battle. A person never exposed to HIV will obviously not have an HIV antibody.

      If you received an experimental HIV vaccine- as was developed decades ago- then you would test positive for HIV, because you would have the antibodies. You would not in actuality be HIV positive, and you would definitely know if you were part of an HIV vaccine trial. These vaccines probably have some small beneficial effect, but they don't seem to grant immunity as we would expect and hope a vaccine would.

      This new vaccine is hoped to help by training the body to target a different part of the virus, as best I can tell. I wouldn't get hopes up too high on this- vaccines have proven very frustrating for dealing with HIV.

    5. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by jonnythan · · Score: 1

      Er, no. There are a number of HIV testing strategies in use that test for HIV antigen directly in addition to, or exclusively of, HIV antibodies in the patient's serum.

    6. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      This new vaccine is hoped to help by training the body to target a different part of the virus, as best I can tell. I wouldn't get hopes up too high on this- vaccines have proven very frustrating for dealing with HIV.

      They haven't even hit the vaccine part. They've only found a new antibody that *might* be more effective at fighting the virus than is normally generated. The subject where it was found has a relatively low virus load(from what I can tell) for a patient not on antivirals, but high for one that is(should be under 200 in that case). However, his T-cell count is still acceptably high.

      Their hope is to create a vaccine that encourages development of that antibody.

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    7. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "HIV is a retrovirus, it inserts it's code into the cell "

      You got a retroapostrophe inserted into that possessive pronoun there. it's means it is.

    8. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and if there are firemen, why are there still fires?

    9. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Andvari · · Score: 5, Informative

      That being said, there's a high probability that a vaccinated person would test as HIV positive today, because most HIV tests look for the antibodies, not the virus. Give them a vaccine that stimulates antivirus production...

      This is not true, vaccinated people would not test HIV positive. first line HIV screens look for certain kinds of antibodies, the particular antibody the article is referring is not one of those antibodies.

      The initial HIV screen is a combined antibody/antigen assay, if that is positive a follow up screen, called a Western Blot, is done. The western blot looks for additional antibodies, such as: p24, gag, pol etc... If enough of these bands are positive then the person is considered HIV positive. There are cases where a western blot can return as indeterminate, in some cases (like a grp IV) the person is most likely positive but may not be. Interestingly, with the introduction of post exposure prophylaxis many people are now returning indeterminate western blots and never fully sero-convert despite being HIV positive. In these cases pro-viral DNA is used as a diagnosis.

    10. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Yea, that's not how most HIV oral swabs work.

      Source: I administer them in my drug/alcohol therapy classes.

      Didn't know that, either, did you?

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    11. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shhh global warming is real!

    12. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must have a lot of money. Please provide the name of this test so I can check for myself, since everything you say is suspect.

    13. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      My information may be outdated, but isn't the test for HIV actually testing for the existence of antibodies rather than the virus?

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    14. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      They wouldn't have made the antibody until they were already infected. Once infection has set, it is difficult to clear the infection fully because HIV gets into long-lived cells in your immune system and hides. They could potentially clear themselves in 10 years or so.

    15. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shh, the earth gets warm, and the earth gets cold. The suns output increase, and the suns output decreases. Long before mankind ever existed.

    16. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because books are evil.

    17. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Imagine a person. This person likes to swim. But when he's swimming, he often likes to shit in the pool.

      So one day, he jumps in a pool. He shits the pool. The pool now has APSS: Acquired Pool Shitter Syndrome.

      One day, the guy jumps into another pool. This pool just happens to have a certain pool cleaning chemical that, somehow, prevents him from shitting in the pool. But he's still in the pool, and might migrate to other pools in the sports complex. This pool has PSG: Pool Shitter Guy.

      So, this pool is PSG positive, but doesn't have full-blown APSS.

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    18. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The expert is wrong again.

      http://www.oraquick.com/FAQs
      http://library.medicine.iu.edu/shine/index.php/blog/qandaare-oral-hiv-tests-reliable/
      https://www.aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/prevention/hiv-testing/hiv-test-types/

      But the cocksucker will continue to talk about how he knows everything. What a miserable human being he must be.

    19. Re: How is the person HIV positive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you got owned again.

    20. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your body can avoid adverse affect, that IS a cure. All of us have tons of virus and bacteria in our body that doesn't hurt us.

    21. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Your sources are sorely out of date, you dipshit.

      Meanwhile, those of us with actual access to the technology will continue to properly educate the public, even in spite of your ignorance and bull-headed bullshit.

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    22. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a weak ass comeback. Just because you have to test yourself for AIDS after your glory hole escapades does NOT make you an expert on the tests. You are so stupid that you probably forget your name unless you are reminder. Dumb and an asshole is no way to go through life.

    23. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's examine the evidence:

      You claim that because you administer a test (I'll ignore the other AC's claim on why you administer these tests) you are an expert on how they work. I fail to see how this is true. You can administer a swab test with minimal training and not be required to understand the chemistry of how it works. So your expert claim has no basis.

      You then say his sources are out of date. As far as I can tell one of his sources is about 1 year old, one is undated and the other is about ten years old. The undated one is likely very new as it is basically advertising a product on the market today. The AIDS.gov one is one year old and carries a lot more weight than "trust me, I'm an expert". You don't offer any actual sources, just your credibility which is approximately zero.

      Sorry, but I've read the claims that you are a "know it all" who doesn't really know much and I am of the opinion that they are correct.

    24. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are correct. As usual, Alex tries to make himself sound like an expert when he really isn't. I assume this is due to some deep seated inadequacy issues. He uses the internet to pretend to be more competent than he really is and assumes people believe it when they don't.

    25. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Did we finally find APK's registered account?

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    26. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps, but if so he likes to argue with himself and call himself a "nigger"

      https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9105299&cid=52105071

    27. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      APK loves agreeing with himself as well, it could just be another of his ploys to achieve recognition of his "genius".

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    28. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could be right. I pretty much ignore APK but stumbled across the Khyber clown and checked out a few of his posts. He is one of those guys who knows everything and thinks if he talks "loudly" enough, people will think he knows what he is talking about.

    29. Re:How is the person HIV positive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What did I say before? When he gets confronted by experts, he runs like a little bitch.

  3. Give Credit Where Credit Is Due by sexconker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They found an HIV-patient exhibiting an effective (to what degree is unclear from TFS) immune response to the HIV virus.

    Let's give credit to the patient or the patient's immune system.

    1. Re:Give Credit Where Credit Is Due by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I understand about this, this patient's body producing the right antibodies is amazing luck, and combined with the researchers also catching this in a way that gives useful results, it's kind of like striking the lottery.

      I'm not sure what credit you want to give them. Gratz for existing? They didn't do anything other than get HIV and then not die from it. Things are anonymous for good reasons. Maybe we'll find out who this person is, maybe not. Maybe they don't want people to know they got HIV.

    2. Re:Give Credit Where Credit Is Due by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      There are many long-term non-progressors. Not sure this guy's antibodies are all that unique.

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    3. Re:Give Credit Where Credit Is Due by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its the same credit we give to kings and to people who inherited their parent's money.

  4. When Patent Time Rolls Around ... by jasnw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... is the patient whose body produced this antibody going to get a cut, or is it just the researchers and their organizations who will gain?

    1. Re:When Patent Time Rolls Around ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why would he? All he did was exist.

      Does God get a cut for having invented physics?

    2. Re:When Patent Time Rolls Around ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well now wait, it's not like the patient can patent an act of God now can they...

    3. Re:When Patent Time Rolls Around ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... is the patient whose body produced this antibody going to get a cut, or is it just the researchers and their organizations who will gain?

      I would definitely demand my fair share [9 or 10 figure amount], were I the lucky patient. No money, no blood samples.

    4. Re:When Patent Time Rolls Around ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, no treatment for you.

    5. Re:When Patent Time Rolls Around ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Duh! He gets paid with souls.

    6. Re:When Patent Time Rolls Around ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would definitely demand my fair share [9 or 10 figure amount], were I the lucky patient. No money, no blood samples.

      This right here is proof of how the altruism gene can be selected in evolution :-)

    7. Re:When Patent Time Rolls Around ... by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

      Henrietta Lacks never got a dime.

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    8. Re:When Patent Time Rolls Around ... by GuB-42 · · Score: 2

      He is probably receiving state of the art treatment now. If he ends up completely cured, that's a nice compensation.

    9. Re:When Patent Time Rolls Around ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The subject wasn't on antiretroviral therapy to begin with. That's sort of the main point. -PCP

    10. Re:When Patent Time Rolls Around ... by Andvari · · Score: 1

      The subject wasn't on antiretroviral therapy, yet -PCP

      There, I fixed that for you. It's rather unlikely that the subject wouldn't need some kind of treatment later on.

    11. Re:When Patent Time Rolls Around ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Yes he does.

    12. Re:When Patent Time Rolls Around ... by techdolphin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is government funded research so hopefully everybody gets a cut. Government spending--this is important--government spending creates investments that help individuals, states, and the nation. Spending on education, basic research, and scientific infrastructure enabled this discovery, which could prove very beneficial to individuals and society.

    13. Re:When Patent Time Rolls Around ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The subject was first determined to be HIV positive in 2000. The odds of needing treatment for a variety of rather more common (and completely unrelated) medical issues are increasing by simple statistical progression. You've still failed to grasp the point. -PCP

    14. Re:When Patent Time Rolls Around ... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yup. It's called "tithe". And it's been running for way longer than the duration of any patent ever since, 'bout fucking time the shit got into public domain!

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    15. Re:When Patent Time Rolls Around ... by Andvari · · Score: 1
      Over half of long term non progressors go on to lose their non-progressing status. The median time to losing LTNP status is 11 years.

      For further information see: Madec Y et al. Early control of HIV-1 infection in long-term nonprogressors followed since diagnosis in the ANRS SEROCO/HEMOCO cohort. J AIDS 50: 19-26, 2009.

    16. Re:When Patent Time Rolls Around ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what the right thing is, but the pharmaceutical company who sells the final product will make lots of money.

    17. Re:When Patent Time Rolls Around ... by martinfb · · Score: 1

      Once this patient is integrated into the Matrix, any HIV viral agent will have it's weak spot bound and rendered harmless.

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  5. Re:Nice! I hope it works out by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

    Sweeeeet! Now Slashdot nerds can have no sex but without a condom!

    That's good. I've been wearing the same condom since 2003.

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  6. But too late for One Hans Reiser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could have saved Nina from his madness.

  7. What, no big pharma conspiracy posts? by mark-t · · Score: 2

    The story's been out for an hour, and nary a comment about how it makes no sense to cure when they can keep profiting from ongoing treatment. I don't know whether to be relieved or disappointed. (oooh.... did I just really use the word 'nary' in a sentence???)

    1. Re:What, no big pharma conspiracy posts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AIDS treatment is practically open source nowadays. Countries like Brazil and India have broken the patent and others may have followed suit. So it would be profitable to vaccinate billions instead of treating millions.

    2. Re:What, no big pharma conspiracy posts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does seem unusual for a story to persist this long here without the usual relentless negativity and cynicism. Kind of refreshing, actually.

  8. Re:Nice! I hope it works out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeaaaaahh... about that... HIV isn't the only thing that casual unprotected sex spreads. See "herp, the."

  9. Re:Hurray. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We can't cure stupid, apparently, so what makes you think we could cure gay?

  10. LTNP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    After initial infection, the virus will enter a long-dormant period, during which it will continue to mutate and wear down the immune system. In most people, this period will end after a decade or so, when the immune system "tires" and allows viral load to increase. The destruction of CD4 helper cells (most by induced apoptosis, a small percentage by infection) opens the body to oprotunistic infection, which (barring treatment) is usually the end of the story.

    A small group of the infected, called "Long Term Non-Progressors," are able to create highly-effective antibodies in their B-cells. When they do this, the viral load never increases, and they remain in the latency period indefinitely.

    The antibodies produced by such people have been studied with X-ray crystalography. Their B-cells can actually be used in the "monoclonal antibody" process to create antibody solutions for other people that can be injected and used in treatment.

    In any case, these highly-effective antibodies are only produced after years of interaction of the virus with the immune system. They are not presented upon initial infection, and LTNP individuals don't differ from the normal immune reaction during the first six months.

  11. more accurate description by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The target area is only two microns wide. It's a small chemical heat exchange valve, right below the main nutrient valve. The passageway leads directly to the nucleotide system.

    1. Re: more accurate description by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to bullseye ligand ion-channel receptors back home with my T95, they're not much bigger than 2 microns.

    2. Re: more accurate description by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they'd just blown that thing, they could have gone home.

  12. Re:Nice! I hope it works out by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

    I think the most scary STD is hepatitis C. Cirrhosis is a very long, drawn out death.

  13. Re:Billions in Research by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Any idea how many children are born already infected with HIV? What sin did they commit?

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  14. Re:Nice! I hope it works out by Locke2005 · · Score: 0

    And it has worked... I still haven't caught AIDS! It is a bit difficult to pee, however...

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  15. Re:Nice! I hope it works out by Locke2005 · · Score: 0

    Jaundice, it turns you orange. Hey, is there anybody out there that's already orange?

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  16. Bully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Leave it the fuck alone! Otherwise, I'l mutate it myself to be more resilient.

  17. Still think Brec1 is much more exciting by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Brec1 can actually cure people of HIV, by going into infected cells and removing the integrated provirus. I'm a software engineer, so I have no idea how this works, but it sounds more promising than this naturally-occurring antibody. Apparently BREC is evolved with a genetic algorithm; that part I understand.

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  18. Re:Nice! I hope it works out by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

    And it has worked... I still haven't caught AIDS! It is a bit difficult to pee, however...

    Wait, you're supposed to wear it on your...? Oh, never mind.

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  19. Fingers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cause thats where I've been sticking them all these years. It took me a while to get turning my car good...once I switched to the ribbed kind I had much better finger traction on the wheel.

  20. Re:Billions in Research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are born with antibodies. They are not born with HIV.

  21. but GOD by Swampash · · Score: 0

    sent HIV as punishment for homosexuality. Why do these doctors hate Jesus?

  22. All unicorns are 10 to 30 years away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A "cure" or vaccine for HIV/AIDS has been possibly only 10 years away for the past 30 years.

    We're always "closer than ever before" to nuclear fusion, and have been within 20 years of it for 50 years

    We've been only 10 to 20 years away from a manned Mars mission for 40+ years

    Flying cars? Jetpacks? the list is endless of the stuff lots of people wish for and that advocates are always promising "soon" if somebody (usually taxpayers) would just pony-up another pile of cash on top of the billions previously "invested". These things are unicorns. They either cannot exist, or they do not yet exist for very good reasons like humans not understanding some fundamental thing or lacking the ability to fabricate some widget etc.

    With HIV, there's a basic fact people are expected to ignore:

    Human beings have never truly defeated a virus. We do not know how, and may not know enough for another century or two, or twenty...

    As individuals we only survive a virus by sheer luck of circumstance, general health, and so forth (not likely with things like HIV). The general population manages to survive viral exposure via innoculation with a vaccine (i.e. not an actual "cure" so much as an assist to the immune system to help us survive the exposure). The dream of an HIV vaccine is not a cure for HIV at all, but rather a play to expose the entire population to something that would then allow most people to survive exposure to HIV. Nobody is even pretending to want to actually eliminate HIV/AIDS, which would happen for free and in only 1 generation if we could just get people to stop IV drugs and stop sleeping around like animals. In other words: if in the 1980s society had treated HIV/AIDS as a communcable disease rather than a political cause and ignored all the AIDS and IV-drug addicts activists and done quarantines and contract tracing as had been done in so many earlier outbreaks of infectious diseases, HIV/AIDS would now be a distant dark memory and millions of people would not now be dead or dying.

  23. We have a rather large immune-compromised group by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something like 40% of gay men are HIV positive.

    I wonder what happens if we only half-way beat this and some pandemic comes along to make use of the compromised immune systems? Combine it with some of the anti-vaxxers types and...

    1. Re:We have a rather large immune-compromised group by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the US, as of 2011, 57% of gay/bisexual men in the US were HIV positive.

  24. Re:Vaccines don't work. by ledow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're an idiot.

    Vaccines do not cause learning disabilities. Asthma has increased in correlation but it's not causative - working in schools I can assure you that asthma and allergies are on the rise because of LACK OF EXPOSURE to things like grass, pollen, nuts, etc. No asthma in unvaccinated? Bollocks. Healthier? Bollocks. Disease resistance? Bollocks. Safety studies, stop making up criteria that they don't meet because that's BOLLOCKS.

    The Dr you quote thought that Vitamin C cured lots of things that it doesn't. The guy published only in the 70's and 80's, things have moved on.

    Though I'm not in the "YOU MUST HAVE YOUR CHILDREN VACCINATED OR YOU'RE EVIL AND KILLING THE WHOLE WORLD" camp, I disagree with almost everything you quoted here even more.

    Vaccination, like ANY MEDICAL PROCEDURE, it not without statistical outliers, mistakes, and risks. Nothing medical is risk-free. 99.9999% of all medicine is working out if what you take and might end up with is better than what you already have. Drug interactions are difficult and people work differently.

    Like the HIV story at the moment - a patient, of their own accord, formed an antibody that stopped HIV. Now scientists are taking that antibody and hopefully forming a vaccine or kinds. But HIV is different in every person and evolution relies on something, completely by chance, working differently in one animal to every other animal of the same species. That's how it works, and that's why vaccines cannot be "safe".

    But, as a mathematician, the overwhelming, massively tested, calculated, verified and best odds are that vaccination will help an individual, and a population, more than they will harm it. Nobody can guarantee that for any individual, because we're playing biology roulette. But we're making sure we're playing on a table with only one tiny "you die" against a myriad "you never get the disease, or die from it" slots.

    Stop being an idiot, Dr. M.D. PhD means nothing. Ask my geneticist girlfriend who's qualified to tell half of London if they have cancer, or if their unborn child is likely to have a crippling genetic disease or not and works with lots of wackos, or my multiple-Dr PhD father-in-law who has PhD's in everything from chemistry to physics to sports science. One wacko Dr doesn't make everything he said 30 years ago true just because he has letters on his name.

    The overwhelming, peer-reviewed, best-guess of established science nowadays is that people should be vaccinated. And, in fact, one British doctor with a similar amount of letters was SO WRONG in his autism/vaccination link that he went to jail for it. Not just a slap on a wrist. Not just "Oh, his science is poor". But "Your assessment and scaremongering was so damn incorrect, and you knew it, and you faked results and made up numbers, and you went so public and scared so many people incorrectly, that it was criminal."

    I can find a wacko PhD in any field, from astrophysics to maths (so many claimed to have proven Fermat's Last Theorem etc. and ALL of them were wrong until the 1990's and that took nearly 10 years to prove right even though it actually LOOKED right for a change), biology to environmental studies. A sound-bite from a wacko is not science.

  25. A cure? by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    I would think that if cells can not become infected that over time the virus might cease to exist within the body.

  26. Re: Billions in Research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No. Mother to child transmission is quite common. The virus can be transferred through maternal blood or breast milk to the infant.

  27. Re:Billions in Research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Sin of Adam.

  28. Re:Billions in Research by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    As long as it's not your ass, how's that your business?

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  29. Re:Billions in Research by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    They're born with HIV. And they die of HIV. Before they're even old enough to think about fucking.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  30. Re:Nice! I hope it works out by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    But me and my hand are faithful to each other!

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  31. Re:Nice! I hope it works out by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Some kids that overdid it with the tanning cream usually end up looking bright orange. Like this goofball.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  32. Yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another vaccine. Just what everybody needs.

  33. Re:Billions in Research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thankfully we nailed a guy to a cross 2000 years ago to pay for all our sins. So we can keep doing what we want.

  34. Re:Billions in Research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being born wrong is indeed considered a sin in the eyes of conservatives.

    Proof is in their actions, not their words.

  35. Re:Billions in Research by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    What sin did they commit?

    They chose the wrong parents. That's the same reason that all children of a religion different to your parent's religion will burn in the hell of your parent's religion - they too chose the wrong parents.

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    Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
  36. Re:Billions in Research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the sin of the parent visiting itself upon the child.

    It's also a "sin" of evolution. The biologically strong survive. Just don't reproduce with an infected (or weak) organism and you'll be able to pass along your genes.

  37. Re:Billions in Research by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Remember, if you don't get out there and sin, then Jesus died for nothing!!!

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    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  38. Re:Billions in Research by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Social Darwinist? Don't tell me, let me guess... you're a Trump supporter?

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    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  39. A thermal exhaust port? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean the rebels found a fatal flaw in HIV? A thermal exhaust port with a shaft that leads directly to the HIV reactor core? A simple proton torpedo could take out the whole virus! It's a one-in-a-million shot, kid!

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  41. It doesn't take a genius to blow you away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & LMAO (@ how stupid you are Mr. menial nobody "ne'er-do-well") https://slashdot.org/comments....

    APK

    P.S.=> You never answered my question after your "ministry of UNTRUTH" there too, lol... apk

    1. Re:It doesn't take a genius to blow you away by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Funny, cause I could say the same about you as you haven't "won" a single argument with me.

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    2. Re:It doesn't take a genius to blow you away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coren22 You're quoted and torn apart by undeniable facts. You can't show you validly refuted apk. It's beyond your limited means.

  42. LMAO @ Rabbi Coren's "ministry of untruth" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & https://slashdot.org/comments.... LMAO!

    * What's it LIKE being an "outism" brain-damaged do-nothing menial nobody on your end?

    (Talking behind my back now to top it all off only shows EVERYONE how much of a reject retarded bitch you are...)

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly also - what's it like having to "EAT YOUR WORDS" too, stupid? apk

    1. Re:LMAO @ Rabbi Coren's "ministry of untruth" by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Is it possible to talk behind your back when everything I type is available for all to see? You really are a paranoid schizophrenic aren't you? What's it like to be brain damaged APK? You should know since you have the most outwardly obvious brain damage, whereas I get people who are surprised when they find out I have mild Autism after knowing me for years.

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    2. Re:LMAO @ Rabbi Coren's "ministry of untruth" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you made possible: Showing us you do talk behind apk's back and that apk shot you down with facts against crap you spew Mr. butthurt retard.

    3. Re:LMAO @ Rabbi Coren's "ministry of untruth" by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Keep it up APK, it just shows how desperate you are. You aren't hurting my feelings, you aren't proving me wrong, you are just showing how much the petulant child you are.

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    4. Re:LMAO @ Rabbi Coren's "ministry of untruth" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're project that all of that bothers you that you were proven wrong. Your reply gives you away. If it didn't you wouldn't reply. You did it to yourself.