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Segway Inventor To Build Powerful Wheelchair With Toyota (bloomberg.com)

Toyota is working with Segway PT inventor Dean Kamen on advanced wheelchairs for the aged and disabled. Slashdot reader necro81 writes: Most people don't know that the two-wheeled balancing technology was first developed by Kamen's company in the early 2000s for the iBot -- an advanced wheelchair that could climb stairs and curbs, had four-wheel drive, and could balance on its rear wheels... it was also a commercial flop: the iBot was discontinued in 2009 after selling hundreds of units (many still in operation a decade later). Today, however, Toyota announced a partnership with Dean Kamen to upgrade the iBot and bring it back to market.
I wonder if they'll be used in more than just the obvious ways. 15 years after the introduction of the first Segways, Steve Wozniak is participating in the Segway polo world championships (which are named the "Woz Cup" in his honor). And the Australian army once even had a fleet of Segways which they dressed up like enemy soldiers to practice field maneuvers.

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  1. owners dying does that by turkeydance · · Score: 0

    maybe that's the plan

  2. Now just strap a mower deck on there... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 0

    ...and the elderly can trim the lawn they want me to stay off of. Maybe even catch the head of a rabbit once in a while for entertainment.

  3. EditorDavid by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

    And the Australian army once even had a fleet of Segways which they dressed up like enemy soldiers to practice field maneuvers.

    I don't know who you are, EditorDavid, but the little idiosyncratic items you tend to leave at the end of your entries are, well...tasty.

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    1. Re: EditorDavid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a room.

    2. Re: EditorDavid by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Get a room.

      That's a waste. I'll just do it right here on my desk.

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  4. Slashdot can't die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Don't worry, even when nobody else is on Slashdot, PopeRatzo, xxxJoyBoyxxx and turkeydance will still be refreshing every story to get their 2 cents in first. Remember kids, comedy isn't about having the best jokes, it's about saying them before anybody else does.

    1. Re:Slashdot can't die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh joy, I can anticipate another inane post by the proto-beta male Ratzo.

  5. If there's anybody looking by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    And the Australian army once even had a fleet of Segways which they dressed up like enemy soldiers to practice field maneuvers.

    Strewth, had they run out of bloomin' Abbos?

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  6. Old people and cripples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    “It is important to help older adults and people with special needs live well and continue to contribute their talents and experience to the world,’...

    As our populations continue to get older, I see a booming business for these things.

    "Special needs". That could mean anything. Why not just say paraplegics or cripples? WTF? I once referred to someone as retarded and boy did I hear it! I was told that I'm to say that they're special because 'retarded' is derogatory. "Oh, OKAY. Whatever. You are special after all!" And did the steam come out of their ears.

    Any word can be used derogatorily. And this PC horseshit makes communication hard and makes actually helping those people (yeah, I said "those people") out harder.

    Dumbasses.

    AND I once was told that someone who was visiting had "special needs". Okaaaaaayyy, exactly what does that mean?

    Condescending snarky attitude form the other party.

    Well, if I build a ramp thinking they are in a chair, and they can walk but are retarded and I don't prepare, then their "special needs" aren't being addressed, are they?

    Dumbasses.

    And calling people "old". I'm old. I have no problem calling myself old. But it annoys me to no end when folks my age or older get insulted for calling myself old and tell me that "You're not old!"

    Okay! Then I'm gonna take my bald head, wrinkled ass, fat wrinkled ass and gut and go to the local Uni and pick up 19 year old girls - because I'm not old!

    Dumbasses.

    1. Re:Old people and cripples by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Red Forman is on slashdot ..?

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  7. Interesting technology... meh... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    The only time I see a two-wheel Segway these days is a rent-a-cop cruising around a tech campus. Meh... Now the three-wheel Segway is much cooler (see link below). I'm always tempted to jump on one to take out for a test drive. Lights flashing, of course. :)

    http://www.gizmag.com/segway-launches-three-wheeled-se-3-patroller/32167/

    1. Re:Interesting technology... meh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now the paul blarts will get even lazier and fattier, just sitting in their segways.

    2. Re:Interesting technology... meh... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Now the paul blarts will get even lazier and fattier, just sitting in their segways.

      Neither the two-wheeled nor three-wheeled Segways have seats, and sitting on the step well isn't a comfortable position.

      Also, getting lazier and fattier is the purpose of any technological development. Otherwise, we would still be hunting our food and be hunted as food.

    3. Re:Interesting technology... meh... by PPH · · Score: 1

      The Segway is an overpriced novelty. Technology just for the sake of technology. The iBot had potential, but was overpriced. Now that it has been reclassified by the FDA, perhaps it will make economic sense and help some handicapped people.

      I wonder how much the original FDA certification added to the cost of an iBot. And how much the reclassification will save. At some point, this is really just a fancy mobility scooter. And FDA certification doesn't seem to impose too much on their cost and safety.

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    4. Re:Interesting technology... meh... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I wonder how much the original FDA certification added to the cost of an iBot.

      American consumers will probably pay for the privilege as manufacturers claim a higher price to recoup the cost of R&D. Meanwhile, due to price controls to contain rising medical costs, it'll be a lot cheaper in other countries.

    5. Re:Interesting technology... meh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read the article.
      They're making a wheelchair.

      A segway with a seat.

    6. Re:Interesting technology... meh... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      A segway with a seat.

      Re-read my original comment. I didn't mention a Segway with a seat.

    7. Re:Interesting technology... meh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      meh? are you a little girl?

      fucking morons.

    8. Re:Interesting technology... meh... by necro81 · · Score: 1

      The iBot had potential, but was overpriced

      It wasn't like DEKA and Johnson & Johnson were making a killing on the original iBot. The market price (north of $20k in 2005) reflected the fact that, compared to other powered wheelchairs, it was really expensive to develop and build. J&J lost tens of millions on the iBot program.

      Another difficulty the original iBot faced was that, although it provided exceptional mobility and independence for its users, Medicare reimbursed it at the same rate as any other powered wheelchair - $5-10k, depending on configuration and options. In other words, the added features did not receive added reimbursement. So anyone who wanted one faced significant out-of-pocket expenses. To use a car analogy: let's say there was a government program that would purchase a $15k Honda Civic for everyone that needed to commute to work. Lots of people live at the end of dirt roads, for which a $25k 4x4 pickup would be necessary. The government wouldn't buy the pickup at that price, despite its utility, figuring that a Civic is good enough for everyone.

      I wonder how much the original FDA certification added to the cost of an iBot

      A lot - you can be sure. It was a device with no predicate, and provided ample opportunity to injure or kill the person using it. Satisfying the FDA that it was safe under all conditions (even to the point of having dual-everything, for fail-operative redundancy) probably took years.

    9. Re:Interesting technology... meh... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      That is the real catch with the mobility for the disabled program, generating sufficient sales. So a new look at it from the perspective of mobility of the lazy and joy riders. Creating a mobility vehicle for the lazy and joy riders but that can be adapted for use by the disabled at low cost. Increasing sales potential to reduce per unit cost. In work environment making people more productive, than they could otherwise be whilst one foot ie postman, stock pickers and stackers, security. Used indoors and out and that can climb stairs and kerbs. Ideally it should also be capable of manual operation for exercise and breakdown protection. Still be expensive but that per unit cost could be driven way down.

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  8. Design Flaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just remember you can't make them all *stand* in the wheelchair

  9. The Segway, LOL by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    Ah yes, the Segway. It was supposed to "revolutionize the world", and was a huge flop that practically no one wanted. Seeing a Segway in the wild is akin to spotting a unicorn galloping down the street.

    I can count on one hand the number of Segways I've seen in actual use, mostly cops patrolling aimlessly inside of airports and shopping malls. They're not much use in the real world where just rolling over a stick or rock throws you off and makes you a candidate for a head injury.

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    1. Re:The Segway, LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Seeing a Segway in the wild is akin to spotting a unicorn galloping down the street." ---- This right here

      I live in an area where Bentley's and Ferrari's are quite common but have only see 1 Segway in public this decade.

    2. Re:The Segway, LOL by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, the Segway. It was supposed to "revolutionize the world", and was a huge flop that practically no one wanted.

      Segway obviously over-engineered their product. If they have dropped the handle, it would have been revolutionary. Hoverboards are replacing skateboards for youngsters. I've seen more of those than Segways in public.

    3. Re:The Segway, LOL by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Seeing a Segway in the wild is akin to spotting a unicorn galloping down the street.

      I've seen a few on bike paths--one reason that you don't see them all that much is that most cities banned them from sidewalks and the like.

      I got a chance to play with one, once, and I was really impressed. They are very cool. I considered buying one for my Dad, who had emphysema, as a way for him to get around outdoors in the country. Unfortunately, it was a bit out of my price range.

    4. Re:The Segway, LOL by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, it was a bit out of my price range.

      Yep. For the price of a Segway I could probably hire someone to push me across the entire United States in a wheelchair. :)

      They're cool, but coolness wasn't enough to make them practical. You couldn't really commute to work on one in most places, nor could you go grocery shopping with one. I'm not sure what you can do with one, frankly, other than Mall Patrol.

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    5. Re:The Segway, LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I commute on mine... well back and forth to the train station anyway. It's given me more mobility as I can't do the 1hr 15min walk anymore, and the busses don't run at convenient times.

    6. Re:The Segway, LOL by Trogre · · Score: 1

      ... and how many unicorns have you seen lately?

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    7. Re:The Segway, LOL by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      "Seeing a Segway in the wild is akin to spotting a unicorn galloping down the street." ---- This right here

      I live in an area where Bentley's and Ferrari's are quite common but have only see 1 Segway in public this decade.

      I live in an area where Bentleys and Ferraris are not uncommon - heck, I even saw a McLaren on the road a few days ago, and I've seen probably about 5-7 Segways over the past decade. Unicorns, these days, on the other hand....

    8. Re:The Segway, LOL by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      ... and how many unicorns have you seen lately?

      Almost as many as the number of Segways I've seen.

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    9. Re:The Segway, LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They run segway tours right outside my apartment. Looks like the stupidest shit I've ever seen, with the most worthless muppets on the fucking planet doing it. If we ever need a sane way to weed out the population, start running those tours over a cliff.

    10. Re:The Segway, LOL by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Hoverboards also cost like $300
      https://www.google.com/search?...

      Segways cost near $2000
      https://www.google.com/search?...

      If they cost the same, they would be the same thing, but Segways are much safer, and can deal with the occasional rock without throwing the rider off. The Segway enabled the Hoverboards, but they are not nearly the same thing. It is like comparing rollerblades to a bike, they serve different purposes and uses.

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    11. Re:The Segway, LOL by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Apparently unicorns are more common than I was led to believe.

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  10. New Toyota Vehicle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Toyota WheelCruiser!

  11. The two best gifts to give a vet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A fancy Segway with a cushy seat....

    and a working, fully functional dick, and for those who need it, a bit of cash for the occasional romp downtown.

  12. Not sure how this helps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure what Toyota can contribute to the iBot, aside from a sleeker package and iPhone integration. The iBot is a very well designed and well built machine and the problem is and always has been the fact that Medicare won't pay for it. Medicare does not consider the ability to climb stairs and move on less-than-perfect terrain to be a medical necessity. And it makes sense to say that the Americans with Disabilities Act, which mandates physical accessibility features such as wheelchair ramps, makes this machine unnecessary from the federal government's perspective.

    In summary, everyone who ever used it loved it, but as long as Medicare won't pay for it then no one is going to buy it.

  13. Will this revolutionize things as well? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When the Segway came out, we were told so. Even Steve Jobs said so. Perhaps this will as well?

  14. Video of new prototype by necro81 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It took some digging, but there was a video released as part of the announcement.

    Not rick-rolling - it actually does have Dean Kamen sitting in the new chair.

  15. That was an odd sentiment by Angst+Badger · · Score: 1

    I wonder if they'll be used in more than just the obvious ways.

    Yes, because it would be such a pity if they were "just" used to help people who can't walk to get around. ;)

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  16. Most people don't know by trevc · · Score: 1

    Why do people use that belittling phrase?