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Avoiding BlackBerry's Fate: How Apple Could End Up In a Similar Position (marco.org)

It's almost unbelievable today that BlackBerry ruled the smartphone market once. The Canadian company's handset, however, started to lose relevance when Apple launched the iPhone in 2007. At the time, BlackBerry said that nobody would purchase an iPhone, as there's a battery trade-off. Wittingly or not, Apple could end up in a similar position to BlackBerry, argues Marco Arment. Arment -- who is best known for his Apple commentary, Overcast and Instapaper apps, and co-founding Tumblr -- says that Apple's strong stand on privacy is keeping it from being the frontrunner in the advanced AI, a category which has seen large investments from Google, Apple, Facebook, and Amazon in the recent years. He adds that privacy cannot be an excuse, as Apple could utilize public data like the web, mapping databases, and business directories. He writes: Today, Amazon, Facebook, and Google are placing large bets on advanced AI, ubiquitous assistants, and voice interfaces, hoping that these will become the next thing that our devices are for. If they're right -- and that's a big "if" -- I'm worried for Apple. Today, Apple's being led properly day-to-day and doing very well overall. But if the landscape shifts to prioritise those big-data AI services, Apple will find itself in a similar position as BlackBerry did almost a decade ago: what they're able to do, despite being very good at it, won't be enough anymore, and they won't be able to catch up. Where Apple suffers is big-data services and AI, such as search, relevance, classification, and complex natural-language queries. Apple can do rudimentary versions of all of those, but their competitors -- again, especially Google -- are far ahead of them, and the gap is only widening. And Apple is showing worryingly few signs of meaningful improvement or investment in these areas. Apple's apparent inaction shows that they're content with their services' quality, management, performance, advancement, and talent acquisition and retention. One company that is missing from Mr. Arment's column is Microsoft. The Cortana-maker has also placed large bets on AI. According to job postings on its portal, it appears, for instance, that Microsoft is also working on Google Home-like service.

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  1. Apple has an insane amount of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If AI becomes the next big thing, they will just buy their way into the game with acquisitions. Or they'll buy their way into a whole new market.

    Blackberry never had anywhere close to the money Apple does, it's like comparing apples to prime rib.

    1. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      Odd. I thought the article is comparing Apples to Blackberries.

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    2. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by LWATCDR · · Score: 2

      Today you are right but not long ago many people would tell you that Apple didn't have a chance in the cellphone space compared to Motorola, Nokia, and RIM.
      They were late to the game and didn't even support apps. Heck you could not even swap batteries.
      IBM does not make PCs any longer.
      DEC, Control Data, Data General are all gone.
      In the microcomputer market Atari, Ti, Tandy, Commodore, Kaypro, Zenith/Heathkit, and Osborne are all gone.
      Yes Apple could mess up and go the way of DEC and Commodore or they may not. I would bet on Apple not failing and staying relevant but they might not. Frankly Apples pushing design over function is what I think will get them in the end. I think the they are doing just fine with the iPhone and iPad but they do not need to make the iPhone thinner or lighter.

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    3. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 4, Funny

      Keep writing comments like that one and you're going to jam the thread.

    4. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by Ratphace · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am actually surprised how far behind so many curves Apple is and yet people still love it. Take wireless charging, from the last I read, Apple is looking at it for the iPhone 7. I mean, seriously? My Galaxy S4 wirelessly charges. Not to mention the iOS is clunky and not really very nice. I'll give 1 example, I have an iPhone 5s and you can't arrange any given desktop how you want it. Every app icon has to listed from the top and packed up tight from top to bottom. I don't want it that way, I'd like to put the app icons on the screen where I want them (as you can and always have been able to on the Andriod, at least as far back as I started using Android for years). These sorts of slow uptakes in the marketplace might seem trivial and insignificant, but it's also these slow to market changes that killed BlackBerry (i.e. touch screens, virtual keyboards, etc). By the time RIM woke-up, it was too late and they were pushed aside. Just my 2 cents....

    5. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by LWATCDR · · Score: 2

      For a lot of people that is not a downside. The iPhone is simple. Wireless charging? Nice to have but it is not a must have.
      As I said can Apple fail?
      Yes.
      Will Apple fail? I do not see it anytime soon.
      Want to take a guess about the long term smartphone market?
      Microsoft's one OS for phones and PC could mean that Phones become a lot of people's PCs. Plug in the USB 3.1 connector to a monitor and use the monitor, keyboard, and mouse to run desktop apps using your phone.
      If Intel ever makes a good x86 mobile SOC you could see it.
      Will it replace all PCs? No but it could replace a lot of low end PCs and you take your apps and data with you everywhere.
      Boom Windows wins the phone market.
      Or just replace Microsoft with Google and have Google add real desktop apps to the Android ecosystem... You know like letting Android apps run on Chromebooks.

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    6. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Here's the thing - Apple is kind of picky in many aspects.

      They don't chase the new-shiny just because it is new and shiny, but only when/if it makes sense for the products (both present and planned).

      Also, you mention wireless charging. Yeah, it's been around for awhile - if you actually like either lashing something on to make it bulky, or sacrificing performance/capacity/battery-life to it. After all, you gotta make room for it, which means something has to go to make that room.

      In Apple's case, it's probably a demand to never compromise the bonuses your product has (e.g. insane battery life, etc) just to make room for a new-shiny. That's why it hadn't shown up in the iPhone yet (Mind, I say this as a guy who owns an Android phone.)

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    7. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Yeah because that plan worked so well for MSFT in the smartphone and music player market.

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  2. Bad conclusion by tom229 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why would Apple ever care about your privacy more than their profits? They probably just don't think it's going to be that big of a thing. I tend to agree. All this stuff kinda reminds me of VR 30 years ago. It's neat, but kinda gimmicky. It's all supposed to be in the 5-10 year future? Try 30-50, and even then, as the article points out, it's a big maybe.

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    1. Re:Bad conclusion by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      No Apple fan anywhere saw that as supporting terrorists. The people that did probably don't buy Apple.

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    2. Re:Bad conclusion by macs4all · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why would Apple ever care about your privacy more than their profits?

      Two reasons:

      1. They really DO have a longstanding corporate culture of NOT selling-out their customer base. That is because they have always fancied themselves as a Hardware company (which they are), who's profits are based on sales of Hardware, not Customer-Data.

      2. Because they have (rightly) sensed that they are getting a reputation for being one of the few (or maybe only) large tech companies that does value their Customers' privacy, and as a result, there is no disconnect between that stance and increased profits. In fact, the more the national (and international) mood swings against the Panopticon, the more attractive Apple looks to a lot of people.

    3. Re:Bad conclusion by macs4all · · Score: 2

      But it's the nature of a 'personal assistant' to tie it to a search engine. In Apple's case, these days, it's Bing, Do you think that's any more private than competing services - just because the searches originate from Apple?

      I don't know if it's any more private; but I do know that any "personal identifying information" does not leave Apple; so, in that sense, maybe so.

      But I don't remember this discussion specifically being about Siri, or "Digital Assistants". However, I do know that you can always ask Siri to "Search for [Search Term] on [Search Engine]", and it will, regardless of the Default. I wonder if the same works with "Hey, Google"...?

      So, with that in mind, you actually can make searches "more private" with Apple's "Digital Assistant".

      Now, aren't you glad you brought that up? ;-)

    4. Re:Bad conclusion by macs4all · · Score: 2

      There's a lot wrong with your argument and I was about to write up something, until I saw who was posting it. Everyone above and below me just stop. This man/woman/shill can not be reasoned with. His username says it all.

      Actually, if you can come up with an argument based on reason and facts instead of my username, I'm all eyes...

      Anyone who has argued with me (other than ridiculous ACs) would tell you that I do, in fact, readily concede "defeat" when it is obvious that I have made a wrong assumption, or don't have the facts.

      But, since you have dismissed me outright, rather than responding to the assertions in my OP, it is you that apparently "cannot be reasoned with". Or rather, choose not to be reasoned with.

      Good job!

  3. um, that's not OK, Google... by spywhere · · Score: 5, Funny

    We were fresh off a seven-night cruise in New Orleans, with a lot of dirty clothes to wash, and our hotel did not have laundry facilities for the guests.
    So, I said to my Nexus 6p, "OK, Google: I need a f***ing laundromat."

    I never imagined there was so much laundromat pr0n in the world...

  4. Re:WTF Is the Submitter Smoking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, sure. That's why, to this day, Siri returning the correct answer is met with "holy crap it worked!"

    Have you ever tried any of the competing services mentioned in the summary?

    Plus, I remember one of the big things about Siri people would talk about is how she would "remember context" and base her answers on that. Except she doesn't. It's clearly based off key-words that trigger responses. Say something she interprets as a weather-phrase? Get the weather report. Say something she interprets as a business-phrase? Get a business search. Say anything she doesn't recognize? Get a Bing search.

    That's not AI, that's a series of regular expressions.

  5. Of course it will happen to them by pablo_max · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It happens to nearly all companies.
    Once on top of the world, the next moment hanging on to survive.
    Who have we got?
    Motorola
    RIM
    Palm
    braodcom
    yahoo
    AOL
    Nokia
    Sony. Remember when everyone wanted SONY gear?
    Hell, it has even happened to Apple before.
    People are fickle. If some hot new thing comes along with a better way of doing things, then people will generally follow the trend. If the old guard is too slow, then they get left in the dust, living off their cash reserves until eventually, the die. Apple is no exception. Innovate or die.

    1. Re:Of course it will happen to them by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      What I'm frankly shocked about is that no company has created a worthy macbook competitor (size/screen/weight/etc.).

      What I'm frankly rolling my eyes about is that you aren't familiar with Fujitsu Ultrabooks. They've been making laptops like that literally since the 486. Where have you been? Clearly not familiarizing yourself with the PC market.

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    2. Re:Of course it will happen to them by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Lots of PC laptops hit or beat the size/wight of the Macbooks. The screen is a bit dodgy since the Macbook Pros (I assume you mean the Pros, since the Airs have crappy low-res TN panels) are specialized for photo/video/graphics work, which is a pretty limited market. There are a few dozen PC laptops which will hit 100% sRGB like the MBPs, or close to it. Up from about 4-5 just 7 years ago. And a few which surpass it by targeting AdobeRGB. A couple of them even claim to calibrate the screen like the MBPs do. If this is what you need, you know what to look for. If you don't need all that color gamut, then you're spending a lot of money just to get slightly more saturated colors which (unless you get an AdobeRGB screen) don't even match the color gamut we used to get on CRTs. Also, pretty much every external monitor can hit 100% sRGB, so it really boils down to a question of if you really need that color gamut on your laptop screen for it to be worth paying the price premium for it.

      The higher resolution screens aren't as necessary PC laptops because Windows uses subpixel rendering (MS calls it ClearType) to effectively triple the horizontal resolution of the screen. Many decades ago, Apple made the choice not to go down that route. Subpixel rendering aliases fonts to align with the subpixel grid - it shifts the letters slightly left or right to line them up with the subpixels. Since one of Apple's core demographics was page layout graphics artists, Apple decided to eschew subpixel rendering in order to prioritize accuracy. A Mac will display a page render with the fonts positioned more accurately, even if it is blurrier (their rendering engine, a great great grandson of Postscript, will anti-alias the font's pixels for any exact location on the screen). If you've still got one of those old 1024x768 LCDs around, try connecting it to a Windows PC, then to a Mac. The fonts on the Mac will look like blurry crap compared to the PC. Consequently, the only way for the Macbooks to improve the appearance of fonts was by cranking up screen resolution, while higher resolution is less important for Windows PCs.

      As for the Macbook chassis, nobody else designs theirs that way because it's a stupid design. There are no vent holes on the bottom. Airflow comes in through a few vent holes along the sides, runs across the mainboard, and is vented out by the fan. This means the air gets heated up by other components before it reaches the hottest components, reducing heat transfer rate. On PC laptops, there are vent holes placed underneath the hottest parts, so fresh cool air contacts those parts first maximizing heat transfer to the air (heat transfer rate is proportional to temperature differential). Also, if you spill liquid into the laptop, it'll drain out of most PC laptops through those vent holes (although not all are designed to channel water away from vital components). The bottom half of a Macbook OTOH makes a nice bathtub unless it's tilted so water can drain out those side vents. The Macbook chassis is the epitome of prioritizing form over function. If you've ever wondered why Apple won't put a decent GPU into their 15" MBP, this is why - they can't because it would overheat.

    3. Re:Of course it will happen to them by NapalmV · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately all these laptops you mentioned come with Windows 10.

  6. Re:WTF Is the Submitter Smoking? by pablo_max · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You think so?
    I should point out of course, that Siri is NOT an Apple invention. They bought it. I agree though, it does work reasonably well.
    I personally find the "OK Google" more useful as it more fits the way that I use my phone day to day. Especially when in the car.
    My head unit supports Carplay and Android Auto. Honestly, Apple's current state of Carplay is why I switched back to Android. After doing so is when I discovered that "OK Goggle" is pretty damn good in the car.
    Then again, machine learning is a core competence of Google. It would be silly to think that Apple would be able to roll out a product of similar polish.

  7. Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Informative

    The title implies that Apple "rules" smartphones today...but Google's share is 80% of the market. Logically, the reaction to a future "oh nos Apple is dead" should be "meh - another second-tier player will move in and secure that niche"

    1. Re:Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by jcr · · Score: 4, Informative

      Go look up who's making the money in that market. Apple rules it, hands down.

      -jcr

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    2. Re:Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      Personally I think making affordable devices, and providing a platform on which those devices can be made is laudable. While the markup that Apple applies to each device, without totally releasing ownership of that device to the user is an embarrassment. To each their own.

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    3. Re:Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by T.E.D. · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only if you count all the out of date crap. I dont count ANY phone not running Android 6 as ...

      It doesn't much matter how you count. For example, here's a graph of new phone shipments. Android phones are more than 80% at the end there, and climbing. Here's one for actual sales. The best you can say for Apple here is that they are bouncing around under 25% (with Android over 75%). This has been going on for 5 years now, so installed base graphs should (and do) show almost the same picture.

      On the plus side, since this has been going on for 5 years now, there's no good reason to believe Apple's 20-25% of the market is suddenly going to go away. There's also, of course, no good reason to believe it will enlarge.

  8. Since 1984 by sycodon · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been reading how Apple won't survive, it will go out of business, no one will buy their products, etc. Of course now, over 30 years later, it just recently was the highest valued company on the planet and they are still in the top ten.

    Every time there is some hiccup in their earnings or some other business launches to compete against them, out come all the doomsayers with the same old crap.

    Give it a fucking rest. Apple is just as viable as any other big technology company. The Fan Boys you speak of are they ones who pine for Apple's failure day after day and for some reason feel slighted by its success.

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    1. Re:Since 1984 by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As I've often said... Apple Computer: on the brink of oblivion since 1975!

      -jcr

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    2. Re:Since 1984 by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

      That depends, really...

      Unlike Blackberry, Apple is actually reaching out into other fields, taking on new competencies, and making new products (or finding promising products and buying them, cleaning them to the Apple ecosystem and UX, bring up the hardware to snuff, then selling the result.)

      I think it's this never-ending search for new markets and products that will keep Apple a going concern for a very, very long time - barring any massive strings of bad luck, naturally.

      Blackberry's problems are self-caused - they preferred to stick with what they had, and refused to innovate (or even look) until the iPhone arrived, beat them up, took their lunch money, and started bedding down their girlfriend in front of them. Even then they kept sticking to the mantra that BES would save them from perdition...

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    3. Re: Since 1984 by operagost · · Score: 2

      Um, in 1979 they were riding high on the PDP-11 and VAX. 1998 is when they were on a permanent slide, and sold out to Compaq.

      I mean, in the 1980s and 90s were DECnet, the VT-100 and successors, the Rainbow, VAXclusters, the Alpha, and DLT.

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  9. G+ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    G+ being a classic example of the privacy problem Google faces. Technically it was excellent, yet who wants to give Google yet more private information!

    So Google's new messaging app will listen in on the conversation and suggest restaurants and nearby bars if you talk about meeting up etc. it will look at photos you send each other and interdict with recipes and themes connected to the content of those pictures....

    WHO THE FOOK WANTS THIS? And to do this, they can't support end to end encryption because they'd be cutting themselves out of the conversation! GOOD! They were never invited INTO the conversation in the first place! Can you imagine talking about medical problems with a friend, knowing that Google is listening in? And by Google I mean people, because Google's engineer can access your data [ Quack for "David Barksdale" ].

    Blackberry's big selling point was privacy, but as they bent over backwards to get their phone into third world markets like India and Pakistan, so it became clear they'd backdoored the encryption. Then there was the phones, an excellent keyboard messaging phone becomes an awful android copy with a backdoor.

    1. Re:G+ by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2

      RIM business started dying before they made concessions on the privacy. In face, they made concessions on privacy exactly because they were not selling anymore enough devices and cannot afford to cost to lose a whole country's market like India or Pakistan. Don't confuse the cause and the effect.

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  10. Re:Posited: Big Data AI Convergence on Handset by pablo_max · · Score: 2

    Tablet computing was always perfectly plausible.

    I guess it further illustrates your point that tablet sales and use are way down. They seem to be going away. I am not too sad to be honest.
    Nowadays, laptops are so thin and light there is no reason to use a crippled product when you could have a real computer with all its extra use cases.

  11. Android has the biggest possibility of that fate. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Android is so fragented it is frustrating for everyone. Carriers and Manufactureres are allowed to screw it up and Google does not care.

    Pure android is awesome, the Crap that HTC and Samsung does to it makes it suck, then the carriers add on their crap to make it suck more.

    Google needs to say, "NO" you ship a clean android and your add on crap is in the application world that CAN BE UNINSTALLED by the end user. They also need to demand that at least all updates to the OS be pushed to phones within 30 days of release, none of this bullshit like AT&T pulls with security updates showing 6-12 months later.

    Please google Force these companies to stop making android a steaming turd.

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  12. Re: WTF Is the Submitter Smoking? by cayenne8 · · Score: 3
    Do THAT many people actually use the AI's that are out there on a regular basis?

    I played with it a little when I got my new iPhone, but the novelty wore off pretty quickly.

    I kind of look at it the same way I do those damned phone answering 'robots' when you call any company now, that require you to speak and talk to them, rather than just press a number through the directory.

    I freakin' hate that...especially while in a crowded office, or maybe during the day while out and about. I'd rather just press a number, to pick what I want on the directory.

    So, much I feel for talking to my phone....I'd rather not intrude on people around me, while I talk into my phone to "find xyz", or look up something. I just tend to type in my search strings silently while not interrupting those that may be around me....

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  13. Re:WTF Is the Submitter Smoking? by josquin9 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ". . . machine learning is a core competence of Google."
    And monetizing consumer data is their core business model.

    I will admit that Google's results are often better. However, my privacy has value to me as well, and the cost/benefit doesn't work out in my head. I'll stay with the company that's not trying to build a model of me to sell to advertisers as long as I the service is available. I'm not confident it will be long, since the large population of users that haven't consciously considered the long-term ramifications of so much of their personal data being harvested have established a standard that doesn't weight privacy very highly.

      I'll enjoy the availability of alternatives while I can, though.

  14. Au Contraire by xtal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One could also argue a major decline in BlackBerry's brand started in ~2008 with the Indian government encryption key debacle.

    Privacy matters. I will continue to buy iPhones even for no other reason than the principled stand that Tim Cook took against the FBI.

    I suspect I am not alone.

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  15. Re:WTF Is the Submitter Smoking? by AchilleTalon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Like the alternatives are not doing the same. Really naive.

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  16. Re:Sigh...Another "If I Ran Apple" Douchebag by ausekilis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'll hop on this "if I ran Apple" bandwagon... if only for a small, short-lived, digital soapbox.

    I would argue Apples big claim to fame is not just the iPhone, but it's integration into one Apple ecosystem. The idea of Apple components playing nicely together without the need for endless tinkering is huge in the realm of people that don't have the desire/capability to cobble together everything their house needs. If anything, Apple hasn't invested enough in the desktop PC/video game market. If the Apple TV were a bit more powerful (and they removed that Apple remote requirement), they could handle some streaming akin to the nVidia shield. Instead, they've got Macs running 3 year old hardware, with crappy video drivers (or so I've read), with next to no support for games.

    i fail to see how Apple, as a hardware company, is really going to lose by not having Googles capability to integrate web searches with advertising.

  17. Wasn't Apple that did in RIM by Solandri · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know a lot of you think the iPhone's introduction was like the second coming of Christ, but RIM/Blackberry increased in market share from 2007 to 2009 immediately after the iPhone was released. RIM's decline actually correlates closer with Android's rise in popularity.

    The big losers in the early smartphone days were Nokia (Symbian was dated and badly needed an overhaul, which never happened) and Microsoft (who started off with a good lead from Windows Mobile on PDAs, but squandered it).

    As for privacy, Apple has shown they're more than happy to violate their users' privacy when it's in their self-interest. When Apple ditched Google Maps, they didn't have their own database of SSID locations, so they couldn't locate you if you had the GPS turned off. The first year they paid for a wifi database from Skyhook. The next year, they used their own database. How did they mysteriously generate this database without sending around Apple street view cars to record the SSID and location of every hotspot on Earth like Google did? By secretly logging iPhone owners' locations and nearby SSIDs, and having the phones send the info back to them. Essentially, Apple turned all iPhone owners into unpaid contractors who scoured the Earth recording the locations of every SSID, and used a chunk of their data plan to transmit this data back to themselves.

    1. Re:Wasn't Apple that did in RIM by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 2

      "Essentially, Apple turned all iPhone owners into unpaid contractors who scoured the Earth recording the locations of every SSID, and used a chunk of their data plan to transmit this data back to themselves."

      If you think that's bad, you should read on how Google Traffic works...

  18. Stuck in the past by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    The higher resolution screens aren't as necessary PC laptops because Windows uses subpixel rendering (MS calls it ClearType) to effectively triple the horizontal resolution of the screen.

    While a nice technology modern screens render text much better using Apple's technique than most PC's with poor screens do. To quote yourself, most PC laptop text looks like "blurry crap" compared to Apple laptop screens. Even with ClearType...

    On PC laptops, there are vent holes placed underneath the hottest parts, so fresh cool air contacts those parts first maximizing heat transfer to the air (heat transfer rate is proportional to temperature differential). Also, if you spill liquid into the laptop

    Since you just said there are no vents on top of the Macbook, just how pray tell would the liquid get inside?

    The bottom vents on the PC nicely let in liquid too you know, as it flows under a laptop. With a mac you don't have to worry if something flows under it.

    As for the venting being inferior I can't see how that's true in reality, since the MacBooks I've used have all been comfortable on the lap and don't overhead.

    You were aware that having a large metal body acts to dissipate heat much more efficiently than a plastic body with a few vents, right? Right??

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  19. Re:Android has the biggest possibility of that fat by rainer_d · · Score: 2

    Actually, the opposite is happening: Chinese (and others, like Amazon) companies are just forking Open-Source Android and slapping their own apps, app-stores etc. on top of it.

    Support? Updates? Who cares, right?
    You vastly overestimate the amount of influence Google has on what people do with Android. They have some influence on the source-code, of course - but once it's published, everybody can do with it whatever he wishes. And that's exactly what is happening now.

    Also, as Google seems to come up with a new "winning" strategy for Android/ChromeOS every year, can you really blame any company for not getting resources behind this year's initiative (to be killed off next year)?

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  20. Re:uh oh ... here come the apple fan boys.. by arkane1234 · · Score: 2

    How cute, anyone who says anything in defense of apple is now ostracized when such a blanket statement was made that's unsubstantiated by anything realistic. wonderful.
    This is why I don't give two shits what other people think.

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