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Too Fat For Facebook: Photo Banned For Depicting Body In 'Undesirable Manner' (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report on The Guardian: Facebook has apologized for banning a photo of a plus-sized model and telling the feminist group that posted the image that it depicts "body parts in an undesirable manner". Cherchez la Femme, an Australian group that hosts popular culture talkshows with "an unapologetically feminist angle", said Facebook rejected an advert featuring Tess Holliday, a plus-sized model wearing a bikini, telling the group it violated the company's "ad guidelines". After the group appealed against the rejection, Facebook's ad team initially defended the decision, writing that the photo failed to comply with the social networking site's "health and fitness policy". "Ads may not depict a state of health or body weight as being perfect or extremely undesirable," Facebook wrote. "Ads like these are not allowed since they make viewers feel bad about themselves. Instead, we recommend using an image of a relevant activity, such as running or riding a bike." In a statement on Monday, Facebook apologized for its original stance and said it had determined that the photo does comply with its guidelines.Facebook said that its team scans millions of ad images every week, and sometimes understandably misses out on a few.

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  1. How nice of Facebook to take time out of... by Nova+Express · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...their busy schedule of banning conservatives for daring to say that they ban conservatives to determine what an appropriate bikini body is...

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    1. Re:How nice of Facebook to take time out of... by beh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It does confirm that it was the right decision to close and delete my facebook account 3 or 4 weeks after using facebook and still not seeing the point of it.

      Now seeing how busy facebook seems to become in policing what its users might want to see, good riddance Facebook... ...not nearly ruing as much having signed up here a "while" ago... ;-)

    2. Re:How nice of Facebook to take time out of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Did you see that picture? I nearly went blind. Why would anyone want to look at that.

      Please, do post a picture of your ugly self so we can laugh at the irony of your post.

    3. Re:How nice of Facebook to take time out of... by GungaDan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I fail to see the need to be fair to that 350+ pound beshemoth. She left 'plus sized' behind a tenth of a ton ago. If it is harmful to show young girls images of models considered too thin to be healthy, it must be equally harmful to show images of "models" that are three cupcakes away from losing a foot, or exploding their overburdened hearts. The "healthy at every size" thing is dangerous nonsense.

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    4. Re:How nice of Facebook to take time out of... by GungaDan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Fat Self Acceptance" is one thing and "Fat Acceptance" is quite another. I have no problem with the former. The latter, however, is nothing more than misery attempting to create company for itself by encouraging morbid obesity in others. That's harmful, disgusting and frankly intolerable.

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    5. Re:How nice of Facebook to take time out of... by KiloByte · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You really fail to see the point of fat acceptance.

      Fat acceptance is exactly as harmful as pro-ana/pro-mia or promoting smoking.

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    6. Re:How nice of Facebook to take time out of... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or maybe "fat acceptance" leads to inaction because, what the heck, it's okay to step on a scale and for it to say "One at a time, please."

      Nobody should be complacent being way past morbidly obese. You can say you're a happy happy hippo all you want, but you'll be a dead dead hippo if you don't take action.

      Obesity is the #2 killer nowadays. Keep this up, it will be #1.

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    7. Re:How nice of Facebook to take time out of... by OakDragon · · Score: 1, Insightful

      New Facebook motto : "No Fat Chicks"

    8. Re:How nice of Facebook to take time out of... by twotacocombo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Once someone labels themselves as Fat and Ugly then they lose hope and stops trying to live a healthy lifestyle.

      So I was fat once. 260 was my high water mark. One day I thought to myself "Holy shit, I'm fat as fuck and this sucks". Know what I did? Something. Through diet and exercise, I lost 70 pounds. Labeling myself fat gave me the motivation to not be fat. If I had thought "I'm fat and I'm OK with this", I'd still be fat, probably fatter.

      I also worked for several years doing shitty low paying jobs. One day I said "Holy shit, this job fucking sucks" and I went back to school to start a career. If I had said "This job sucks, but I'm fine with it" I'd probably be 400 pounds, or dead.

      Without realizing how low you are, you may never find a reason to crawl out of it. Labeling yourself as fat, or a failure, or whatever, is not a negative thing. It all depends on what you do with that realization. You can bitch out, or you can do something about it. Your call, but don't blame society for making you 'feel bad' and then give up.

    9. Re:How nice of Facebook to take time out of... by BlackPignouf · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If your marriage can be ruined by Facebook, it probably could be ruined by many other unrelated things.

    10. Re:How nice of Facebook to take time out of... by tnk1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, it is important to be realistic about where you are, while at the same time realizing that you can always be more than that. If anything, that should be the message here. If someone is fat, then call a spade a spade, but remain supportive of their struggle to become healthier and also uphold their confidence that they are a person who, no matter what their weight is, is a good person. It's just that they are a good person with a disease they should fight, not just accept.

      On the other hand, there's obese and there's perfect. No one is going to go from fat to Hollywood hot, and not even stars do that without a full staff and a lot of money. The goal should always what makes you healthier and more comfortable. Don't let "perfect" become the enemy of "good".

    11. Re:How nice of Facebook to take time out of... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Too bad you didn't actually read beyond the headline so you could make a quick, but inaccurate, retort.

      The results were based on a survey, rather than experimental data, so you can't make conclusions about whether the fat-shaming actually caused the weight gain.

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  2. Re:I doubt it was innocent mistake by OverlordQ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > For some reason there's a huge number of people who absolutely hate on people who are fat.

    No, there's a huge number of people who hate on people who are fat that say it's perfectly healthy to be fat.

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  3. Re:I doubt it was innocent mistake by sanosuke001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They didn't make a mistake; Tess Holliday is obese and tells everyone that its okay. It's not okay, its unhealthy (I know, I'm the same way and know I need to get in shape; I'm not trying to by a hypocrite) it is hard to get back in shape and I don't blame her for being fat but I do blame her and her kind for perpetuating the "healthy at any weight" bullshit on the internet. She's not fat, she's obese; she's unhealthy and allowing her to tell people that it's okay is not okay. I know it's not okay for me to be obese, either, but I'm not telling people that it is.

    Facebook, for once, did the right thing the first time; she shouldn't be allowed in an ad just like anorexic models shouldn't be either. Reversing their decision was the mistake.

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  4. internet scandal of the week by known_coward_69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    99% of us don't care

  5. Facebook vs. Feminists by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a bit like a reverse Alien vs. Predator.

    Whoever loses
    We win

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  6. Quickie Mart by sycodon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Facebook is like a convenience store. You go there for specific and fairly basic reasons: share photos with families and friends, let them know what's going on in your life, message each other and arrange get togethers...probably 90% of what a person does on Facebook.

    But, like a convenience store, the places is polluted with hundreds of items you have no interest in and would never buy or use. And if you did actually want any of it, you sure as hell wouldn't get it from a convenience store....or Facebook.

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  7. Is this really healthy? by diakka · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll bet that nobody would kick up much of a fuss if they decided to ban a photo of an anorexic model. Tess Holiday, being morbidly obese, obviously suffers from disordered eating due to a food addiction, yet is paraded around as some kind of paragon of moral virtue, while pictures of women with anorexia would be censored for being harmful to little girls. But seriously, do you think that presenting a morbidly obese woman as a socially acceptable norm sends girls a message about body image that is any less harmful?

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    1. Re:Is this really healthy? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a complex topic (I keep saying that about things...).

      There's a fairly-curvy model out there who did a bunch of ads pushing back on fat shaming, claiming she's proud to be fat. SHE'S HAWT. Seriously. She has firm abs. She's got larger, padded, but firm thighs. She has a narrow waist, broad hips, and an overall-feminine form. She is the depiction of beauty in old Greek art. This is not a fat chick.

      That should tell you something about this whole political wargarble.

      People are going out with 600-pound land whales shaped like miniature cattle and claiming they're healthy and proud and there's nothing wrong with them. Bullshit. They're morbidly obese. "Morbidly" does not mean "I disagree with this because it hurts my little feelings"; it means "you are exposed to severe health problems."

      Fat people are unhealthy. The additional belly fat causes more heart burn, leading to esophageal cancer and bad teeth (and halitosis). They're more at-risk for diabeetus. Their hearts have to work harder, but aren't equipped to work harder--larger, more buff people have made more work for their hearts while making their hearts stronger--and so are more prone to failure. Their metabolism isn't burning all the crap away, so their blood cholesterol is more likely to clot and get stuck in odd places (coronary arteries, cranial arteries, etc., heart attacks and strokes are bad). They also smell bad--we can put smokers on that list, too.

      That's what "morbidly obese" is: you're fat to the point of serious damage to yourself.

      On top of all that, what makes a good body image is not what you think about your body; it's what society thinks about it. What *we* find attractive is what *is* attractive. There's fat-chick dudes who go riding the hog, and that's their business, and you and them can get along just fine; but when 98% of all dudes are telling you you're way too fat and not attractive, that means you're way too fat and not attractive. It's the same as if I started insisting all girls are supposed to want to have sex with me because I'm pantie-melting hot--I can keep saying it, but it's not gonna get any more true unless I start doing some serious push-ups. Stick with your fat fetish man and stop telling us all what we're supposed to think about it.

    2. Re:Is this really healthy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      You've made an extensive presentation about how her life choices are unhealthy. True, that it is a matter of choice is extremely scientifically debatable, but let's roll with it.

      Please add in the part explaining how her health is your business.

  8. Please help me understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I just want to be clear about what is being discussed here:

    1) The feminist group wants to show photos of half-naked obese women because it helps to "destroy" the concept of the perfect body?

    (Already, I'm completely lost. How does this work exactly? Men see a fat woman in a bikini, and start to get turned on -- thereby changing the standards of beauty? Would that work with other images too?)

    2) The feminist group wants men to stop "objectifying women" physically, so they are using a photograph of a fat woman in a bikini to help us stop thinking about women ... in terms of their physical bodies.

    (Swoooooooosh!...that was some kind of feminist logic doing a low-altitude fly-by somewhere near my head)

    1. Re: Please help me understand by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The point comes off to me as being that some people aren't happy with the fact that most males have their own ideas about what is attractive to them (which sometimes includes other males while excluding all females) and that often means no attractiveness to certain body types, of which being grossly overweight often falls out of bounds (which if you consider evolution, that actually does make sense.)

      I don't think it is right or wrong for anybody to have a particular thing that they're attractive to and thus want to prefer it, rather, it just is, and that's life. However I do think it is wrong for people to shame other people for not wanting a relationship with a certain segment of the population. For example, if you're white and you don't want to ever date a black person, that is perfectly acceptable.

    2. Re: Please help me understand by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not about individual's preferences.

      Here's a tip though. The novelty of having a magazine body wears off quickly. And it doesn't guarantee good sex either. It certainly doesn't correlate with a good personally or good relationship either. Once the lights are off, once you get into doing things together... there are more important things.

      Also, there is something wrong with not ever wanting to date a black person. What possible reason could there be other than racism? Black people have all body types, all personality types... if it's just skin colour, that's terrible.

      That might be the way you want things to be, but our biology doesn't work that way. Believe it or not, it is completely impossible for a male to control whether or not he has an erection and thus can even have intercourse. It truly is an involuntary function, much like your heartbeat. Sure, you can produce the circumstances that cause you to have an erection, just like you can run to cause your heart to beat faster, but it still remains out of your control. This is also why it's possible for a female to rape a male, triggering involuntary ejaculation. Similar biological processes determine what the male would rather have in a mate, and that can exclude any number of things, big or small, from hair color to personality.

      Likewise, it's not racist to have no attraction to somebody of the opposite race, just as it's not sexist for homosexuals to have no attraction to the opposite sex.

    3. Re: Please help me understand by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Err, no. I see people talking about black skin and light skin in the conversation. That's skin colour, not race. You do know that there's more than one race with black skin, don't you? Just like there's more than one race with light skin.

      Well if you want to be a dick and split hairs over semantics then you're wrong because humans are just one race.

  9. Re:I doubt it was innocent mistake by Vermonter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry, but unless you recently started your strict calorie limit of 1500 per day, or you are exceptionally short, or you have some bizarre medical condition, there is no way your are being honest. If you are overweight, it means you are eating more energy than you body needs, and so it stores the extra energy as fat. If, every day, you eat only what is required for your body to maintain a healthy weight, then your body will move towards that weight, whether you are underweight or overweight to begin with. I'm not trying to "body shame" you, or any of that crap. If you are fat and happy, then it's no skin off my back. But don't sit here and tell me you eat 1500 calories per day and you're still overweight. Dishonestly like that may convince someone who is unhappy being fat that "it's just the way their body is and they can't change it".

  10. Re:I doubt it was innocent mistake by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Spoken like a true fatty. I don't exercise, but I limit the amount I eat to less than elephantine portions every meal.

    You're making some YUGE assumptions there. My diet is 150 grams of carbs and 1,500 calories per day. I also walk 20 minutes per day and work out at the gym every weekend. Despite being 350 pounds, I'm doing a lot more than you are.

    I haven't known a single fatty fat that didn't eat a shit ton of fatty/sugary foods.

    I had skinny people accused me of trying to shame them because I eat less than they do at a restaurant. I only eat half a plate for that meal and then take the other half for a different meal.

  11. Re:Screw Tess Holiday, she's a scammer by sinij · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Any group associated with this person is enabling a scam artist.

    Criticizing her in public forum is almost impossible. She is a) feminist b) plus sized person c) public advocate. No matter what she does to you, just preemptively apologize and hopefully SJW lynch mob won't completely ruin your life.

  12. Re:I doubt it was innocent mistake by barc0001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Based on your height, weight and age that you stated elsewhere, you resting mass intake is 2800 calories per day. Even if your body freaked out and dropped that by 800 calories you're still looking at 2000 calories per day for maintenance. Which is last time I checked, still greater than 1500.

    Then there's the question of adding exercise to the equation. Moving around takes energy, there's no way around that.