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All European Scientific Articles To Be Freely Accessible By 2020 (eu2016.nl)

An anonymous reader shares a report on EU2016: All scientific articles in Europe must be freely accessible as of 2020. EU member states want to achieve optimal reuse of research data. They are also looking into a European visa for foreign start-up founders. And, according to the new Innovation Principle, new European legislation must take account of its impact on innovation. These are the main outcomes of the meeting of the Competitiveness Council in Brussels on 27 May. Under the presidency of Netherlands State Secretary for Education, Culture and Science Sander Dekker, the EU ministers responsible for research and innovation decided unanimously to take these significant steps.Many questions remain unanswered. For instance, it is not clear whether the publishers would be forced to make their papers available for free or whether EU will only allow scientists who are happy to abide by the rules to publish papers. We should have more details on this soon.

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  1. Re:what a bunch of bullshit by pijokela · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It says on the article that the rules are supposed to cover parers written on taxpayer money. I'm sorry if this takes the edge off your righteous anger and rage.

  2. Re: what a bunch of bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Then it's a shitty ass summary. My apologies for the bad comment. That's a big difference from the summary. If your work is funded by the government, which means taxpayers, your papers should be freely accessible. Also, any inventions that are novel enough to be patentable should be freely available for anyone to use without paying royalties. The US has a monstrosity called the Bayh-Dole Act, which allows universities to patent federally funded research and charge royalties from taxpayers. That's bullshit.

  3. Re:what a bunch of bullshit by presidenteloco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So let me get this straight. You are a scientific researcher but you don't want to make your results publicly available?

    How exactly is that science that you are doing?

    Proper science (with the maximum chance of advancing correctly and rapidly, and the maximum benefit to humanity) is an inherently open information-sharing activity.

    Are you working on bio-weapons science or something else really dangerous like that? If not, I don't see your motivation for hiding your results.

    If you're doing science just for the money, you're doing it wrong.

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    Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
  4. This is awesome enlightened legislation by presidenteloco · · Score: 2

    They're blinding me with science!

    How did actual politicians come up with something this wise and uncorrupted? It boggles the mind.

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    Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
    1. Re:This is awesome enlightened legislation by tomhath · · Score: 2
      FTFA:

      From 2020, all scientific publications on the results of publicly funded research must be freely available. It also must be able to optimally reuse research data. To achieve that, the data must be made accessible, unless there are well-founded reasons for not doing so, for example intellectual property rights or security or privacy issues.

      Read the fine print that the politicians wrote. As I read that, they're saying it's freely available unless the researcher decides otherwise.

  5. Not bad, but significant gray areas, side-effects by raymorris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I support the intention behind this directive. There are, however, some gray areas and some unintended consequences.

    >> publications on the results of research supported by public and public-private funds

    > Nothing unclear about that.

    It's not that bad, but there are significant gray areas. Here are a few:

    A) Most importantly, most "publications on the results of research" that they intend to cover are financed by universities. Most universities get at least some government funding, if only 5% of their budget. So figure a school is privately funded 95%, and gets 5% of of it's budget from government grants for providing certain types of education. Is the institution barred from recouping some of the costs of the research? Maybe so, maybe not.

    B) This one is complicated, but I have direct experience with it and the new rule seems to ban a system which has worked extremely well. The last place I worked was an "extension" office. Funding was very interesting. We had world-class experts and facilities in the fields we covered, and we did two different but related things with our experts and facilities. Companies like Boeing or Ford would pay us to do testing and research for them. In a year, we might get $80 million dollars in contracts and have $30 million in direct costs for those contracts. We'd spend $20 million on training programs, mostly having our experts train first responders. That leaves $30 million "profit" which we'd give to the state, since it was a state agency. The state would turn around and appropriate back $10 million for our facilities expenses. So in the end, our agency received NEGATIVE $20 million from the taxpayers. We paid the tax payers, from fund received for contracts and also provided free training for first responders). We were giving money TO taxpayers, not getting money from tax payers, right? (Which is awesome, IMHO.) Well, after we gave the taxpayers $30 million, they gave us back $10 million for our facilities costs, so on paper we received taxpayer funds. Does that mean that the testing we did for the private companies would have to be open to the public for free? it would seem so. Which would suck, because Boeing and Ford aren't wouldn't keep paying us $80 million to test their new ideas if the results are immediately available to their competitors. Those contracts had been paying for our public services, such as first responder training, as well as paying a "profit" to taxpayers, but seemingly that would no longer be allowed.

    C) A more common scenario, given the exact wording used, might be the following. It says "publications on
    the results of research which was funded ..." have to be open (not the research itself, but any publications discussing the results). So my boss asks me to write up an analysis of some new government data on cell phone use amongst college students and correlate it with our in in-house data, in order to make suggestions for our business strategy over the next 24 months. My analysis would be "on the results of" government research. Therefore we can't keep our analysis private?

    Again, it's not necessarily a bad idea, but there are some issues, some gray areas and some areas that would be affected which might not be the intent of the supporters.

  6. Native source by goarilla · · Score: 2

    There is more information on this local source:
    https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/a....

    - There will be an "Innovations deal". They will attempt to scrub current rules for "innovation impeding" laws.
    - Evaluation of the last EU research program, claims that on average every Euro invested in Research created 11 Euro of wealth.
    - The new EU research project (Horizons 2020) is the biggest ever with 70 billion euro.

  7. Re:EU Datacenter by epine · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Who is gonna host all that data and for how long?

    Brewster Kahle. Forever.

    Your data, good for a thousand years

    If that's not good enough, go back to sleep for another twenty years.

    Eternal 5D data storage could record the history of humankind

    Problem solved.

  8. Re:what a bunch of bullshit by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You are a scientific researcher but you don't want to make your results publicly available?

    I'm guessing they're not, just an AC troll. Researchers don't get paid whenever something they write is downloaded; the journal leeches are paid whenever someone without a subscription buys access, or paid through subscriptions. If anything, not having your work more available is hurting you, since less people can read, access, and cite your paper. I really can't think of what advantage there would be, intrinsically anyway, to publishing in a paid over an open journal.

  9. Grants, Grants, Grants by dlenmn · · Score: 2

    (I assume that you're in the US since you consider the case where the government might only contribute 5% of a university's budget.)

    Second order effects like the school's general fund getting a pinch government money are irrelevant. The question is whether the research is being directly payed for, in full or in part, by a government grant (e.g. NSF, NIH, DOE, DARPA). US researchers already have to state government funding sources in publications, so there's not much ambiguity about whether research is being funded by a government grant. Look at the acknowledgement section of a research article and you'll see something like

    Work at UCSB was supported by the US Department of Energy (DOE), Office of Science, Basic Energy Sciences (BES) under Award No. DE-SC0010689. Computational resources were provided by the National Energy Research Scientific Computing Center, which is supported by the DOE Office of Science under Contract No. DE-AC02-05CH11231.

    (Taken from a random physics article.)

    It's not that complicated.

  10. Re: what a bunch of bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Currently government research funding is rigged against open access. The success of the research project will be measured by the impact of the publications generated by it, which means getting published in high impact journals. High impact factor journals are subscription access, or charge a significant fee to make papers open access. If you republish essentially the same work elsewhere as open access, this will be considered a violation of the publisher's copyright, and moreover as auto-plagiarism. As a university (or country for that matter) you can choose between supporting extortionate subscription fees by doing things the traditional way, paying extortionate fees charged by publishers for open access, or refusing to publish in the big scientific journals and as a consequence taking a tumble in the international rankings.

  11. Re: what a bunch of bullshit by slew · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not in Europe. The US system is a failure and everywhere else is doing better science.

    Well, I guess after about a decade, Europe is apparently jonesing become more like the US system again...

    In 2007 the US, George Bush signed the bill that required all NIH funded research to be open access. This culminated efforts starting back in 2004 voluntarily open access publicly funded research in the NIH. The NIH is the world's largest non-military funding source of research. The law requires manuscripts must be put into PubMed Central *immediately* upon acceptance by a peer-reviewed journal (not after it's published).

    It appears this new policy direction in the EU is basically following the US's lead in this area (and improving on it by requiring access to data as well)...
    We welcome Europe to join this open-access system that is a "failure"...