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Mugger Arrested After Victim Spots Him On Facebook's 'People You May Know' (bgr.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from BGR: In a somewhat bizarre story which proves that truth is often stranger than fiction, a serial mugger in England was arrested after one of his victims spotted him under Facebook's 'People you may know' section.Originally reported by the BBC, 21-year old Omar Famuyide had a long history of theft, muggings and armed robberies to his name. Not too long ago, Famuyide brandished a knife and stole a car.

Flash forward a bit, and the victim of said car robbery was recently shocked to see Famuyide's face pop up as a suggested friend he might want to add on Facebook. The victim promptly called the police who quickly managed to tie him to a large number of other violent crimes. By the time the dust settled and the full extent of Famuyide's criminal rampage was revealed, Famuyide was sentenced to 17 years in prison.

His Facebook profile ultimately led to charges of robbery, attempted robbery, and possessing a firearm.

235 comments

  1. Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 0, Troll

    The UK has strict gun control, which is just as effective as posting "Gun-Free Zone" signs.

    1. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by dunkelfalke · · Score: 0

      Dude, you really have a problem with reading comprehension.
      From TFS:

      Not too long ago, Famuyide brandished a knife and stole a car.

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    2. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Jzanu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Criminals MAY acquire and use guns, but it makes prosecution MUCH easier because by possession they have committed an irrefutable crime already.

    3. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly, the answer is to ban knives. Then this crime would have never happened.

    4. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by PvtVoid · · Score: 1

      Because no thread on any topic is complete without a rant about the Second Amendment.

    5. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your sarcasm detector needs new batteries.

    6. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by zyloid · · Score: 5, Informative

      The UK has strict gun control, which is just as effective as posting "Gun-Free Zone" signs.

      The number of gun murders per capita in the US in 2012 was around thirty times that of the UK. Genuinely interested in what you think this difference is down to if not a strong legislative and cultural approach to gun control.

    7. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So true!

      I was expecting to hear some opinions about how the net has made the world a smaller place which ultimately helped nap the perp.

      That or the expected Facebook bashing.

    8. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Knives are already banned in the UK. It is illegal to possess or carry a knife without good reason.

      Obviously, there are plenty of good reasons why you might be carrying a penknife.

      However, there far fewer reasons to be in possession of something like http://www.weapons-universe.co... Such that, you are highly likely to be going to jail, if you are found to be in possession of such a knife.

    9. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by PvtVoid · · Score: 2

      The UK has strict gun control, which is just as effective as posting "Gun-Free Zone" signs.

      The number of gun murders per capita in the US in 2012 was around thirty times that of the UK. Genuinely interested in what you think this difference is down to if not a strong legislative and cultural approach to gun control.

      Because the British are a bunch of sheeple, obviously. Free Men murder each other with properly virile gusto.

    10. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Start here.

      Captcha: tiresome

    11. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      His Facebook profile ultimately led to charges of robbery, attempted robbery, and possessing a firearm.

      Guess your reading comprehension could use a bit of polishing as well...

    12. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the U.S., we only treat people that way if they have already been convicted of a felony - then it is illegal for them to have a firearm. Under Bill Clinton we unfortunately started something new where you could lose your 2nd Amendment right for some misdemeanors (things that are, by definition, minor wrongdoings). Obama tried to greatly expand upon that with his "reasonable" gun control laws instead of focusing on punishing real criminals.

      I believe the point of the gun free zone comment was that criminals are safe to be criminals everywhere in the UK.

    13. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet even with those mass murders, it is far less probable you will die from a gun in Europe. I don't know about you, but if I die from a bullet, my last thought will not be "well at least the guy holding the gun was praying for Yahweh as described by the right prophet!"

    14. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think what GP may be referring to is the actual underlying story here, which the BGR article linked seems to have wrong. Omar Famuyide was in fact brandishing a gun and pointed it at the victim's head, and said gun was found abandoned in the car (a white BMW) two days later.

      http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/u...

      He also fired a shot inside of a massage parlor:

      http://www.birminghammail.co.u...

      And in case you consider those two sources to be somehow less reliable than BGR, here's a third source:

      http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-eng...

      So yeah, he did in fact commit these crimes while brandishing a gun, and there are even a few photos of said gun.

    15. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, I'll accept that gun murders are more numerous in the US, given that they are all but impossible to obtain it the UK, but what are the per capita murder and violent crime rates between the two countries? Bet the UK has higher ones, they just don't use guns.

    16. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      What do you do if you're not physically strong, but someone bigger and stronger than you attacks you?

      http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016...

    17. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Famuyide's record includes armed robbery.

      And yes, the UK is trying knife control: https://www.gov.uk/buying-carr...
      Note that self-defense is not one of the listed valid reasons for carrying a knife.

    18. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Criminals MAY acquire and use guns, but it makes prosecution MUCH easier because by possession they have committed an irrefutable crime already.

      Most US jurisdictions also have penalty intensifiers for crimes committed with a gun, so that point is a wash.

    19. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly combat soldiers should be armed with knives because they're exactly the same as guns.

    20. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      US homicide rates are about 3 times higher. Lets be clear here, the rest of the world doesnt envy the US; when it comes to gun law we genuinely believe that you are totally and irredeemably batshit insane, and can only watch in horror.

    21. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We teach best what we need to learn most.

    22. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seriously though. Do you think the guy that is willing to stick that knife into you gives a shit about the law saying you can't carry a knife? That's the silliness of such laws. You make it impossible for law abiding people to have any means of defense and render them helpless while doing nothing to impede the lawless. If I'm willing to murder and or rob you then why do I care about a weapons charge?

    23. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well combat soldiers are armed with knives as well as guns. At arms length it's nearly as deadly and doesn't require reloading.

    24. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by I75BJC · · Score: 0

      And the British subject, Michael "Bear" Grylis sells lock knife which are illegal in the UK. He still roams the streets unimpeded. Go figure.

    25. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by I75BJC · · Score: 1

      Suffer... The Liberals and Leftist want You to stand there and take it. After all, the bigger and stronger person is just a misunderstood person who never had love as a child. You, at this point in your life, are an insensitive Clod! /sarc

    26. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What use is your do when the criminal is pointing a gun at your head? What happens if you miss? What happens if you drop your gun because you're terrified. If guns are magic wands that keep you safe, why doesn't the US have the lowest crime rate in the developed world? I'm not against gun ownership but I'm tired of the bullshit.

    27. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Knives don't run out of ammo. Also, they don't like it up 'em, you know.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    28. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by I75BJC · · Score: 0

      That is a fallacious argument. Whether there is a law that enhances the sentence for possession of a firearm in the commission of a crime means Nothing in the USA. The only value of such a law is whether the Judges will apply that particular law appropriately to criminals. For example, Florida passed into law a requirement for an additional 3 year sentence for possession of a firearm during the commission of a crime. The local TV and papers in the Tampa Bay are looked at the law's application in appropriate cases and found that the additional 3 years were only enforced 50% of the time. This means that the Judges would not enforce the laws. I'll get it's the same where you live.

    29. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen.

    30. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because it allows police to have good reason to arrest someone when they stop and search them and find the knife. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp? Stop trying to peddle your idiotic American gun culture on the rest of the planet. It is clearly the reason why you have so many shootings. I enjoy my city and I don't want it to become a dangerous shithole like the US is.

    31. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      Murder rates are indeed higher in the US, by a ratio of 3.4. On the other hand, you are massively more likely to be a victim of non-lethal violent crime in the UK, by a ratio of 4.8. (Exact counts vary by year, and are very rough estimates as official sources are useless because of different definitions of "violent crime").

      It's also bad to compare whole countries, so let's a look at New York vs London -- very similar population, both include a minority known for violent crime. Here, in an apples-to-apples comparison the ratio is around 7 (again, wildly differing by source because of different definitions).

      So what's worse, being murdered or just assaulted/mugged? Intuitively one is going to claim the first. However, if you look at absolute numbers, the chance of being murdered are negligible in either country. Also, I'd say most murders are bad-guy-on-bad-guy (no stats here, as it's so hard to define "bad guy"). On the other hand, violent crime is a part of everyday's life. I've personally been assaulted several times, murdered 0 times so far. Nor has anyone I even vaguely know. Murders tend to be an one-per-town-per-decades affair: in the 50k town I live, last murders happened in 2013 then 1981. Obviously, if your city/town happen to include organized crime or violence-prone communities, you'll jack up the stats, but those rarely spill out to ordinary citizens.

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    32. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by sjames · · Score: 0

      Next up, glass bottles. After that, hammers.

      Soon enough, we'll see adults using safety scissors and writing with crayons.

    33. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Lots of people don't actually consider UK a part of Europe, seeing as it's culturally closer to the US, as this incident also demonstrates.

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      Ezekiel 23:20
    34. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by sjames · · Score: 1

      Now that kids not exposed to so much lead as children are reaching adulthood, our crime rates are falling.

    35. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by sjames · · Score: 1

      The more important figure is murder by any means. Dead is dead.

    36. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      That butter isn't going to spread itself!

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      #DeleteChrome
    37. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I was expecting one about the fifth, among the lines of "He incriminated himself, so that's inadmissible".

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    38. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The more important figure is murder by any means. Dead is dead.

      Absolutely. UK murder rate is 1.0 per 100,000, US is 3.8 per 100,000. Seems reasonable to suggest that anything making death that much easier to inflict has some bearing on that.

    39. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh - another gun toting nut who thinks that guns everywhere makes them safe. Get a few facts first. Say, for example, we compare the death rate by gun in various countries around the world. Look here to see a chart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate\

      The good ol' US, with all our guns making us "safe" has 13th highest rate of gun-related death in the world. Look at the counties that are worse than us - Honduras, El Salvador, etc. It is pathetic. Heck, even Mexico with all its cartel problems is better than us (7.64 vs 10.54).

      In terms of England, their gun-related death rate is 0.23 vs our 10.54 - which is to say one 50th of our rate.

      So you know what? I think England got it right and we don't have a clue. They are clearly being effective at stopping gun related homicides and we clearly are not.

      Facts - such a shame when they don't support the rhetoric, huh? But don't let those facts confuse you when making up your mind (don't worry, I know they won't).

    40. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not so sure about that.
      My illegal safety scissors can sharpen up my illegal crayon something mighty pointy, enough to go right into someone's neck.

    41. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you ban guns. Then people kill other people with knives so you ban most useful knives. Then people kill other people with hammers.

      So you make sure to compare "gun murders" in US to "gun murders" in UK. You also make sure you include people killed with guns in the US in self defense.

      It's BS.

    42. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by guruevi · · Score: 1

      At arms length, knives are the only effective weapon. I think Mythbusters did that once, it's much faster to charge into an opponent with a knife than accurately pull and aim a gun (it's like 3 or 5m or slightly more but most 'close combat' situations will be better with a non-gun weapon)

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    43. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by sjames · · Score: 1

      Only if that is the only variable. Meanwhile in the U.K. muggings are more common than the U.S.

      It wouldn't surprise me if the social safety net figures in to the higher homicide rate in the U.S. as well. The lack makes it harder to leave a violent home situation and in general makes people feel more desperate.

      Since handgun bans are recent enough to have good figures, I can say it's a fairly consistent response. Immediately after, homicide goes up and then settles down to about where it was before the ban.

      So evidence suggests we need to forget about the whole gun thing and figure out what other variable is actually making the difference.

    44. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Haha! Who has reading comprehension problems? Also from TFS - possibly you missed it because TL;DR or something since it is the last sentence:

      His Facebook profile ultimately led to charges of robbery, attempted robbery, and possessing a firearm.

      In case you missed it, a firearm is a gun.

    45. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, it might be dangerous, and it might be a shithole, but... uh...

      U! S! A!
      U! S! A!

    46. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Because it allows police to have good reason to arrest someone when they stop and search them and find the knife. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp? " Because of the daily State-enforced ream jobs you endure, the lube you use has infiltrated your thoughts, thus making them impossible to grasp.

    47. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      Making prosecution easier should not ever be a goal. If you don't have evidence, prosecutors need to go find some or drop the case.

    48. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lock knives are legal to buy, illegal to carry in public. Flick knives are illegal.

    49. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even with all those bullets flying around?

    50. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      References or gtfo, please.

    51. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2, Informative

      What use is your do when the criminal is pointing a gun at your head? What happens if you miss? What happens if you drop your gun because you're terrified.

      What if nothing... you didn't bother to read the news story I linked to...

      If guns are magic wands that keep you safe, why doesn't the US have the lowest crime rate in the developed world? I'm not against gun ownership but I'm tired of the bullshit.

      Then be tired of being ignorant to the facts...

      The US does have one of the lowest crime rates in the developed world, outside of a few select areas. Stay out of Compton, the South Side, and a few other places and the US is amazingly crime free...

      We have a gang problem and a black problem, but no one wants to talk about it because that is "racist". No it isn't, it is the truth...

    52. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Armed robberies are a couple of orders of magnitudes less frequent in Europe than in the US.

    53. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, non-lethal violent crime is a lot more common in the UK than in Continental Europe.

    54. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by cyber-vandal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And we have much lower crime rates again if we pretend all the high crime areas in our countries don't exist. Fuck me I'm sick of that stupid argument.

    55. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Lots of people don't actually consider UK a part of Europe, seeing as it's culturally closer to the US, as this incident also demonstrates.

      Next month, the UK will have an opportunity to vote on that.

    56. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You fail. 11000 murders a year don't happen in Europe for the reason you mention.

    57. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Now that kids not exposed to so much lead as children are reaching adulthood, our crime rates are falling.

      Except in Chicago, where on some nights the air is about 40% lead.

    58. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feel more like you're getting "ream jobs" since you feel the need to protect yourself from them with guns.

    59. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2, Informative

      Again, you miss the point...

      Having guns or not having guns has nothing to do with the crime rates...

      Removing all the guns wouldn't change them. It is an economic problem and a cultural problem.

      But those are harder to fix than just saying "evil guns".

    60. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "The number of gun murders per capita in the US in 2012 was around thirty times that of the UK [bbc.co.uk]. Genuinely interested in what you think this difference is"

      The real difference is 3.8 times, and it's historically because the problem of angry minorities and no-go areas that the US has had for years is brand new in Europe. But now that there have already been two beheadings in the streets of London, the problem is coming to you.

    61. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by cyber-vandal · · Score: 3, Informative

      You missed me saying that I'm not in favour of gun control but this idea that guns are magic wands that keep crime at bay is bollocks otherwise your country would have the lowest crime rate in the developed world.

    62. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      The UK has strict gun control, which is just as effective as posting "Gun-Free Zone" signs.

      Just curious...what kind of brain injury do you have?

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    63. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 0

      Guns work very well to keep crime out of the non-gang areas...

      I live in Texas... home invasions are rare here, only a moron will try to storm into a home that has more than a 1/3 chance of having an armed gun owner in it...

      Look at the numbers state by state, which states have more problems with such crime. The more guns each state has, the less such crime.

    64. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Jzanu · · Score: 1, Informative

      You keep changing your claims, now you've made one that is disproved by the very data you claim supports it. Here

    65. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      Page changed, try this .

    66. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by cyber-vandal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      By that logic the gang areas should be super safe because they're full of guns. Home invasions are virtually unknown in the area I live in but there are few guns, legal or otherwise. The causes of crime tend to be poverty, family breakdown, poor education and sociopaths. There is no shortage of criminals in Eastern Europe where there are virtually no black people.

    67. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Other countries with legal ownership of firearms don't have the same murder rate as the US. I think this is more of a cultural phenomenon than anything else. Namely, I'm talking about these kind of people:

      http://www.theventureonline.co...

      Think about it: If your close friends think that being a petty thug is an awesome career choice, you're probably more likely to do it.

    68. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by bestweasel · · Score: 2

      No. The US murder rate is 3.8 times that of the UK but the murder rate with guns is 30 times.

    69. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why are police stopping and searching people? Have they done something wrong? Given that police don't have x-ray vision or mind-reading powers, how many people do you think police would have to stop and search before finding someone in possession of something illegal? How many daily searches would you tolerate?

    70. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At arms length, knives are the only effective weapon. I think Mythbusters did that once, it's much faster to charge into an opponent with a knife than accurately pull and aim a gun (it's like 3 or 5m or slightly more but most 'close combat' situations will be better with a non-gun weapon)

      That was one of many "yay government!" perspectives the show took, like the FAA cell phone one.

      Case in point: the knife guy gets to initiate, the gun guy is heavily holstered vs a quick grip/belt tuck. Why doesn't the knife guy have to undo a safety latch on a holster first?

      Cops don't let people get that close when a "situation" develops. Hell, if you looked at the St Louis kid, they pulled up, jumped the curb and fired multiple times before they had even taken in the situation.

      I'm mostly OK with guns, but I'd like a 50' target shoot where you pay $100 for every round you don't put in the target. $1000 if you are a cop and missing the target at that range.

    71. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So you're all for checkpoints set up across the city, frisking people who pass, on a constant basis?

      Yeah, sounds like a great place to live... You make the gun solution sound like a breath of fresh air.

    72. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, Shitcago... Home of the gun-laws. A true liberal paradise if there ever was one. Maybe, just maybe, if we pass one more law regarding guns, all those problems will just go away!

      That city is a prime example of the failure of gun laws. But no liberal will ever admit that tools are not the problem, because that would mean looking at personal responsibility, accountability, and some other very inconvenient facts about about the demographic of the crimes going on there. They would have to think about real solutions to difficult problems, and thinking is not the liberal's strong point.

    73. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The UK has strict gun control, which is just as effective as posting "Gun-Free Zone" signs.

      The number of gun murders per capita in the US in 2012 was around thirty times that of the UK. Genuinely interested in what you think this difference is down to if not a strong legislative and cultural approach to gun control.

      Because the British are a bunch of sheeple, obviously. Free Men murder each other with properly virile gusto.

      Exactly! Their commie leaders strangle their economic systems too, which is why they don't realize "John Wick" was a documentary about utopia free market 'Murica!

    74. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These powers aren't enough - police need to have arrest powers when they stop and search someone, and discover they have a pen or pencil upon them. After all, those are criminal tools for dissident writers, trying to subvert the state - nobody should be in possession of one without a documented professional reason for such, so possession of a writing implement is prima facie evidence of intent to commit sedition.

    75. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh.. The gang areas have guns in the hands of the gang members, but not in the hands of the law-abiding civilians. The first thing the idiot governments did in a lot of these areas was to use knee-jerk solutions like "ban guns" to try to fix the problem. Obviously, that didn't work, but they won't admit it and strike down the law.

      The vast majority of that gun violence is between the gang members. Again, this needs to be handled at a deeper level than "ban the tool being used to commit the crime", because that simpleton mentality just leads to more problems and doesn't fix the underlying causes of the violence in the first place.

    76. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real horror comes when you have no means of defending yourself because you demanded that your government oppress you and your fellow citizens' right to do so. You probably won't personally understand this until you're a victim of your own totalitarian government, or an invading horde.

    77. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by baker_tony · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So, on the extremely small chance that someone physically stronger than you, threatens you (without a gun of course) and you happen to have a gun and can operate it effectively while freaked out (and not accidentally shoot someone else or yourself which is more likely), you're willing to sacrifice all the other lives lost to guns? Like children under 5 who die or kill others every week in America because they kill themselves with a misplaced gun?
      You're pretty sick.

    78. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by baker_tony · · Score: 1

      I'll counter your fox "news" entertainment site link with this:
      https://everytownresearch.org/...

    79. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here we go again with the "well at least he wasn't killed with a g-g-g-GUN!" baloney.

      Do you really fucking care what means were used by some psychopath to kill a loved one of yours? When the weapon is anything but a gun, I never see anyone crying and screaming about banning the weapon. All of a sudden, some logic starts getting applied to the situation and people are asking what the motives where, and about the details of the perp. But as soon as it's a gun, all logic just gets tossed in the gutter and the emotions completely take over. Is this due to government and media programming? Seriously, what the hell installed this trigger, this Pavlovian response in you people?

    80. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read the article - the states with highest gun ownership have the highest rates of gun deaths, there is no ambiguity. Those states include: Alaska, Wisconsin, and Alabama. I bet the gangs are rife in those states....

    81. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by baker_tony · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "the rest of the world doesnt envy the US; when it comes to gun law we genuinely believe that you are totally and irredeemably batshit insane, and can only watch in horror."
      That's an understatement.
      Other countries after massacres think "hmm, perhaps we should do something to fix this".
      And fix it.
      American's seem to think that massacres means more guns should be introduced and start buying more while screaming "Obama about to tell the army to attack Texas and take all my guns!!!". That's right, ask all the soldiers that come from Texas to attack their own families. Yet a large proportions of American's genuinely believe that will happen, just like they believe the world's only a few thousand years old.
      And now they've got Trump one step away from punching the big red nuke button.
      "Batshit insane" just scratches the surface of how messed up America is.

    82. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have too many wireless phones then you have contraband and they can hold you.

      If you have too much cash then you have contraband and they can hold you.

      If you have pot then you have contraband and they can hold you.

      If you have too much allergy medication then you have contraband and they can hold you.

      If you appear nervous then you are suspicious and they can hold you.

      If someone wants you to be a criminal then it doesn't matter what you have or haven't done - they will hold you and you must be guilty of something. Just wait for them to dig through all of your personal items and then assemble the reverse construction of why you are really being held.

    83. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well done, almost certainly the quote that will go over the most heads on Slashdot today!

    84. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Aw fuck, are the retards still including suicides in their "firearms violence" statistics?

    85. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mislead with statistics often?

      How many violent crimes in the UK are just shifted to another weapon?

      How many of those murders or injuries by firearm are lawful?

      How many times are guns used to defend someone that would have otherwise been a victim?

      Until you include those in your perspective then it's not very well thought out and possibly you're intentionally being dishonest - it's not like this is the first time this discussion has come up so anyone that ignores the bigger discussion is likely intellectually dishonest.

    86. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Subtitle: Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics

    87. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, there is no evidence of that sort. Just another bad attempt at shifting goal posts, again.

    88. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ummm if you hadn't noticed the US also has some of the worst if not the worst oppression of any western government. So those weapons aren't helping you there either.

    89. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for gun murders it is 30 times the rate. To add some perspective you are more likely to be shot in the US than you are to be killed in a car accident in most first world countries. short of warzones and 3rd world countries nowhere has gun death rates even close to the US. Not sure if it is a too many guns, too many nutters or a combination of both but the US is in the Shitter. The worst thing is people claim they need them to protect their freedom yet of all western countries the US seems to have the LEAST freedom and it is being eroded further every day.

    90. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't understand why the tons of accidental shooting deaths and injuries, in addition to all of the intended shootings that happen just because one or both parties are armed and the situation escalates, are totally acceptable to those that cite 'defense'.

      I'd think the freedom not to die from some irrational fucktard's anger, or from some stray bullet going though your apartment wall due to some dude next door playing with his gun, might be a little more important than this almost-entirely-hypothetical 'freedom' to 'defend' yourself.

    91. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, if it weren't for assholes like you, maybe there wouldn't be hundreds of millions of guns just outside the city for sale, and we'd actually be able to figure out who's right about this.

      Oh, but I figure you must have 'defended' yourself like a thousand time while a hundred people died in Chicago, right?

    92. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yep, but there's just no reasoning with the gun-addled. My dad thinks he needs one to protect himself and my mom. In the last 42 years nobody in his family has been the victim of a violent crime. However, in 18 months of gun ownership, he has only accidentally discharged the gun twice. Both he and my mom are alive, essentially because both of them were lucky enough not to be in the path of the bullet.

      He's never been convicted of any crime, but he's a drunk and an idiot- so because of the freaking gun nuts (any regulation limiting me to infinity-minus-one guns is an infringement of my rights!) somebody is going to die someday from that gun. But they don't care, and are only willing to accept preventing my dad from owning the gun that accidentally kills the _second_ person. If that.

    93. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by mattwarden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Plenty of US cities have laws like you suggest. They are the cities with the worst gun crime.

      Strangely, you made the guy's point for him. Your country's laws are such that the only people with weapons are criminals, so much so that the sight of a weapon identifies someone as a criminal. This is common knowledge for the non-criminals in your country. It's probably also common knowledge for the criminals. You all do have a point though; if the criminals know that nobody has any means to defend themselves beyond their fists, then there is less need to carry a firearm. Criminals can overpower victims with far less.

      I don't quite understand the suggestion that anyone was trying to tell your country how it should run. I think you should have whatever laws you'd like in your country. Uniform laws breed ignorance, much like the content of your comment. With diverse laws, we have actual data from different jurisdictions. It's never pure, because there are always confounding variables, but it's enough to make a pretty strong argument for leaving 2nd amendment rights in tact for the people that want to exercise them.

    94. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      Only a couple million people in the US have concealed carry licenses and carry regularly. It's actually quite taboo here in most places. So we do not get the benefit that you would get with criminals knowing a significant % of their potential victims are armed.

    95. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      Yes they include suicides in gun death stats. They are also including justifiable homicides.

      Recently, as knowledge of this statistical BS has become commonplace, the anti-gun folks have begun to justify why it's legitimate to include suicides, based on how often someone is successful in killing themselves when using a firearm vs other methods. It's quite silly to watch and I do recommend it.

    96. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't waste your breath buddy...

      The US guntards are like the anti-vaxxers....they just won't listen to reason.

    97. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Or maybe you can provide such a source? Asking others to do your legwork is incredibly lazy and reeks of you betting they won't.

    98. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by dave420 · · Score: 1

      In the UK all sorts of things are included in "violent crime", including some forms of verbal assault. Comparing that across borders is not going to serve any useful purpose.

    99. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The UK has a murder rate a fraction of the USA's for a long time, before the UK started gun control.

    100. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The UK had a similar ratio lower murder rate before they enacted gun laws. I'm an Aussie and our murder rate has declined at about the same rate it was declining before our gun laws.

      When I left school in QLD you could buy military style semiautomatics over the counter, no license, no waiting period. We didn't carry them about like Americans seem to. A few mass shootings and they got banned. But even with the mass shootings our overall murder rate was declining and was far less than the US.

      I suspect that bringing in gun laws like the UK and Australia have to the US is a recipe for disaster. It would be more likely to spark a civil war than decrease deaths.

      There's a reason for that risk of civil war and that is the second amendment. In Australia our gun laws were brought in legally. John Howard demanded the states implement uniform gun laws or he would have a referendum to change the constitution to give the federal government the power to do it. If our laws had violated our constitution I might have stocked up on guns like many Americans do.

      If I was American I would be totally against federal gun laws without constitutional change.

    101. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... good reason to arrest someone when they stop and search them and find the knife

      Maybe they should search your home then, I'm sure they'll find several reasons to arrest you. A knife is a universal tool; far more so than a club since we've left the stone age. Carrying a knife was normal, then after guns were banned, knives were, wrongly, demonized. I'm waiting for the police to be suspicious of a pointed stick. Their policy makes them gutless and hypocritical: Strange how the people with four weapons, including a loaded gun, don't obey the rules. Yes, I think police have a right to use a weapon. No, I think a country that has banned guns shouldn't allow police to wear a gun at all times. If the purpose of guns is killing people then anyone with a gun must be a murderer. Hey, I'm following their logic. It just means the cops are the criminals, and I don't care what excuse they use to claim otherwise.

      ... idiotic American gun culture ...

      Their culture demands people are entitled to kill and to mental illnesses. I disagree with both and I disagree with a restrictive ban on guns. A few days ago, drinkypoo argued against "... laws that restrict the power I may collect to myself ...". So it was a version of " ... a good guy with a gun" but without the moral rectitude, which is the whole problem in the USA. Everyone's running around demanding the power to kill others, itself a version of "Fuck you, I got mine". That's like war games with nuclear missiles: No player can win. Which is why guns were originally nicknamed 'equalizers'; everyone recognized trigger-happy fanatics resulted in Mutually Assured Destruction before such a term existed, and everyone avoided shoot-outs. That's what's changed and it's because selling guns is big business. Those like DrinkyPoo, demanding guns to prevent fascism, are unable to see they're supporting a fascist policy.

    102. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      A bit like trying to exclude certain areas from your crime statistics because they're inconvenient.

    103. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      It isn't "entertainment", it is fact...

      Thousands of people every week defend themselves with a gun, many of those people would not be here without it...

      The media doesn't report on it that often, doesn't fit with their "message".

      https://www.gunowners.org/sk08...

      Read and learn...

    104. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      https://www.gunowners.org/sk08...

      Read and learn...

      * Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day. [1] This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives. [2]

      Guns are good, criminals are bad... banning guns does not remove criminals, it simply makes victims out of good people.

      That's a fact, no matter how much CNN doesn't want you to know it...

    105. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by baker_tony · · Score: 1

      Wow, OK, so with all those guns defending you, America must have one of the lowest murder rates in the world then, ay! Otherwise you'd just sound like a fool saying that!

    106. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      And you're a moron, what's new? Seriously, it amazes me how stupid some people really are...

      You of course don't know that you're stupid, nor would you be willing to admit it, so pointing out your errors is a waste of time, since you'll just ignore anything that doesn't match your false beliefs...

    107. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      you're willing to sacrifice all the other lives lost to guns?

      Guns save more lives than they take, at least the good ones...

      Why do you want to kill good people? You're pretty sick...

      Note: Read and learn the facts, instead of the bullshit you THINK you know...

      https://www.gunowners.org/sk08...

    108. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      By that logic the gang areas should be super safe because they're full of guns.

      No, not at all... guns are hard to LEGALLY get in those gang areas...

      Seriously, stop having opinions about shit you know nothing about...

      https://www.gunowners.org/sk08...

    109. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Just what I expected, you didn't bother to learn anything...

      Instead you just repeat your ignorance over and over...

      For heavens sake, how the hell is the world supposed to get better if people won't learn anything?

      Yes, I'm annoyed, because you're part of the problem, you're an ignorant fuck who doesn't want to learn anything and you keep repeating the same stupid things.

      The human race is so screwed because of people like you, and the sad part is that you don't even know it.

    110. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by baker_tony · · Score: 1

      Ahh, a straw man response, I'd expect nothing less.
      Golf clap.

    111. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not just gun law. There are a HUGE number of issues on which standard US position is completely batshit.

      It all starts with religion. The US is an _incredibly_ religious country for a developed nation. So that poisons a whole bunch of things, it means you've got Catholics running women's healthcare. You've actually got "doctors" who believe a bunch of crazy stuff in an old book trumps all their ethical obligations and their years of training. And the courts are right behind them, religion must trump everything. Too bad, the women died in agony, but at least she didn't commit a sin...

      In schools you've got YECs teaching Creationism and then you've got a bunch of _really creepy_ people fetishizing virginity over in Sex Education.

      And you've got a bunch of people who think "Eye for an eye" is state of the art ethics running the Criminal Justice System.

      You even have the "Name it and claim it" Prosperity Gospel scammers out running a Lottery to tax the very poorest for their last few pennies.

      But most of all, running through all of this you have the religious thinking, the idea that Truth is something you Believe in, and has no relationship to mere facts, which should be scorned as unimportant. So this isn't just a system that's doing a lot of things the Wrong Way, it's a system that intentionally can't learn to do better. A system that's going to keep failing _forever_ and patting itself on the back for how successful it is.

    112. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      Clearly, the answer is to ban knives.

      And brandishing.

    113. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you ban guns. Then people kill other people with knives so you ban most useful knives. Then people kill other people with hammers.

      And it'd be an improvement. By the admission of gun users themselves, guns are far more effective and efficient at killing (or "stopping" as they like to sugar coat it), as well as a "great equalizer" in terms of threat, also an admission of gun advocates.

    114. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't search random people. But get in a fight or get caught shoplifting or whatever minor crime, you will be searched. And released, if that was all. Or get time for illegal possession of arms/drugs if you had any.

      Armed robbery happens in Europe - it is merely rare. People worry more about pickpockets here. Most criminals don't want a gun, it just means so much more trouble when the cops come around. Any criminal (except perhaps teenage beginners) knows they will get caught occationally. Better go in for a little stealing only - out again in 'a few' months. Don't want lots of extra time for carrying an illegal gun. Definitely don't want years for actually firing at someone.

      You can get away with a lot of stealing. But not murder. Not all, but most murder cases get solved. Someone surprise you when you break in? You run, hoping that they didn't see enough to recognise you. Cops have limited resources for break-ins, and any sentence will be short, good chance of escaping. But kill someone standing in your way, and the cops won't be so resource-constrained. They'll hunt you for years.

      Murder doesn't work, it is a failing tactic. At least in northwestern Europe.

    115. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look for the root cause. Ban Islam

    116. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>Other countries with legal ownership of firearms don't have the same murder rate as the US.
      Other countries don't have the same percentage of Negroes and foreign-born Hispanics from crime riddled Central America.

      Negroes are 18% of our population. 50% of the crime. Subtract negro crime and America is roughly on par with Switzerland. I can provide links to Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) statistics backing up these numbers, if needed.

      You might be shocked by these statements, but only because they are blunt and you have been spoon-fed pro-multicultural propaganda for the past 40 years. Please consider this.

    117. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2
      The Gun culture is not idiotic, but very rationally racist. In USA any black/brown/yellow person brandishing anything that remotely resembles a gun, or even something that could have appeared to be a gun with enough benefit of doubt is enough to shoot and kill that person. But white people openly carrying guns, even long guns, even with their finger on the trigger, who picks an argument with police officer will be treated gingerly. The police will make sure that the gun wielders' constitutional second amendment rights are not even remotely infringed upon.

      If you guys think anyone other than white people can freely brandish guns, you are sadly mistaken.

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    118. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last I checked hostory, the US saved your country.

      You're welcome. :)

    119. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Europeans don't carry guns, and that's why Stalin killed 20 million Europeans and Hitler killed 12 million Europeans. Such scenarios are exactly what gun nuts have in mind, and death on that scale hasn't happened in USA since the Native American pandemics and the Great Pandemic of 1918 (0.6 million Americans), so by your logic Europeans are the crazy ones. We tolerate gun accidents as insurance against a genocidal holocaust.

      Unfortunately Europeans are smug and poorly-educated, so they don't know their own history, or they lack the capacity for independent thought to base decisions upon that knowledge and instead follow lemming-like whatever belief is fashionable, convenient, or allows them to remain lazy and happy. US is now beating Sweden in educational attainment, and Americans individually place higher value on education than Europeans given that they save and pay the outrageous unsocialized cost of it while Europeans refuse to go through it unless it's given to them for free.

      Back in historically-accurate factual world, most of our "mass shootings" are actually by cops: Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc., most of the gun violence is by cops and there is currently a massive popular movement, BLM, based on this, and gun ownership was already a civil rights issue with Black Panthers, so there are already signs the government is prone to autocratic purges like Europe has seen, but it's checked at these little baby purges they try to pin on bad-egg cops so far.

    120. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thirty times that of the UK

      Have a look at gunpolicy.org

        10 homicides per million in the UK http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-kingdom
        36 homicides per million in the US http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

      Yes, obviously the rate of gun homicides is higher when guns are available because they are a good tool for murder, but people without guns simply find other ways of killing one another so you haven't saved lives. In fact you've cost them at the long tail of history by making genocides and purges more practical.

      Really the only good argument against guns is based on accidents, suicides, and cops. I think the first two should be a personal choice, as they are in the US, and the last one isn't on the table for democratic discussion.

    121. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other countries after massacres think "hmm, perhaps we should do something to fix this".

      What have you done to fix the massacres of millions that happen in Europe every time people get politically confused, such as the slaughter of Bosnians by roving packs of crazy Serbian military? There's currently a fascist resurgence in Hungary so the question is not hypothetical.

      In America we learned our lesson with the British and never forgot it. In Europe, this shit keeps happening, even post-EU, and it never penetrates your thick outer crust of smugness. You come back lecturing others on numbers so low you would have forgotten how to count them if you looked in the mirror honestly. >30% of Americans refuse to look away from these lessons and make a deliberate choice to risk their family's health through gun accidents to remain vigilant for the next wave of murderous political crazyness. When it comes, many of us will still die, but remember the civil war in Sierra Leone, the one with the child soldiers, turned when the government got a loan and hired 1000 mercenaries. guns + training is a big deal, and a population that's resistant to purges is politically healthy.

    122. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      let me guess, you think handguns are actually useful for self defense too.

    123. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes the only people carrying knives or guns in the city are criminals. Your point being that they aren't afraid to rob people? Have you found that criminals are afraid to rob people in the US? I have not.

    124. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other countries don't have the same percentage of Negroes and foreign-born Hispanics from crime riddled Central America.

      Negroes are 18% of our population. 50% of the crime. Subtract negro crime and America is roughly on par with Switzerland. I can provide links to Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) statistics backing up these numbers, if needed.

      You might be shocked by these statements, but only because they are blunt and you have been spoon-fed pro-multicultural propaganda for the past 40 years. Please consider this.

      Why would anybody be shocked by repetition of decades-old propaganda from the racist brigade? You've been singing this song for quite a while. However, if you subtracted an equivalent amount of poor from this country, what would you get?

      You might be shocked at the results.

      Of course, you could also wonder how much crime is actually just criminal because the person involved is black.

    125. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by publiclurker · · Score: 1

      not nearly as silly as watching a sad little man trying to justify his need for a strapon even after it has been shown to him that the main thing it accomplishes is the death of people around him, or more importantly for these self- important morons, the death of the most important creature on the planet, the gun nut themselves.

    126. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      um, you are the sad creature that is so dumb that he thinks he can justify his need toe a replacement manhood among a bunch of grownups.

    127. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by publiclurker · · Score: 1

      the media doesn't report it because it they don't report made up crap from letters to penthouse. Look, I know that it made you feel all manly when you fondled your manhood replacement while those minorities walked across the street yesterday, but they are allowed to do that, and their existence is not a threat to whatever manhood you may have left.

    128. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      faggot

    129. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      Suicide inclusion is not significant in ranking states because it effects each score equally. In this case for 2013 it was 6.7 per 100K, so take the QZ article chart and subtract 6.7 from every score. Notice something? That uniform subtraction doesn't change the order. See here . Basically your poor argument is based on you using the word "statistical" while having extremely low numerical literacy.

    130. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by LinuxLuver · · Score: 1

      The flaw in your logic is that only the good guys can access the "defensive" weapons. Allowing big knives or find just makes it more likely they will be mis-used... and your end up with the gun insanity currently prevailing in America, Syria and Libya.

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    131. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by LinuxLuver · · Score: 1

      "find" should be "guns"

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    132. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      My point is simple and not controversial. If you are a criminal about to commit a crime, you want to know there is little or no risk you will be stopped. Criminals will case a house for days before robbing it to minimize the chance they are interfered with. Not saying having a gun helps that scenario; just using it as evidence of the criminal mindset. Therefore, knowing that everyone is completely unarmed is much more comforting than not knowing. Whether a criminal still goes through with the criminal act is a different question, but if you accept the premise then surely it's not a stretch to believe that on the margin the knowledge that your victim and bystanders are completely defenseless leads to more crime.

    133. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      My claim was that the anti-gun side includes suicides and justifiable homicides to inflate their numbers and summon outrage. Your blabbering is not responsive to my point at all.

    134. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      Your claim is ambiguous and lacks any data to support it because you are ascribing a motivation to a group without defining that group in any clear terms, as well as continuing argument by hand-waving. I am the original poster of this thread, and I am the only one who has posted relevant, specific, and timely data to this thread. You claim data was biased which I refuted and explained by citing another objective source. Try again.

    135. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Case the joint for days? That is just arse. The kind of people who burgle in my city are locals with an addiction to one substance or more. The crime is opportunistic. They'll either be out shop lifting or they spot something through a window and burgle a house.

    136. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So all those women going to self defense classes are wasting their time?

      Women in Israeli army will also be defeated?

    137. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      Dude, I grew up in Detroit.

      We had plenty of criminals. Nobody cased a house for anything like days. The biggest problems were a) one gang of idiots whose entire "casing" strategy seemed to involve verifying the people inside the house were not black (on the apparent theory that non-blacks would be unable to tell black people apart, it failed miserably because yes we can do that, and hilariously one of their victims turned out to be a light-skinned black dude), and the super-genuis who robbed every house on the block except his mom's in a six month period.

      In theory the rest of your argument makes perfect sense. In practice there's no evidence that increasing the number of firearms in the general population reduces crime, largely because the people who say that it does have banned all research into the practice; which strongly implies that gun rights advocates themselves think that actual research into the problem would result in their entire premise being disproven.

      What there is quite good evidence for is that gun bans reduce supply, thus increasing the price of guns.

      Moreover you're badly mistaken on self-defence in the UK. You can't walk around with a 1796, but keeping one at home where you can use it is fine, and more hard-core then any weapon a criminal is likely to transport on the streets; assuming you can convince the police that it's not a Samurai sword you'll even get the damn thing back.

    138. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Why are they hard to legally get? Are people from the bad areas banned from owning guns by default? However this conversation is a bit pointless given that in your world black criminals from bad areas don't count towards crime statistics and this man is a black criminal from a bad area so doesn't in fact exist.

    139. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Why are they hard to legally get?

      Like I said, you have opinions on things you don't know anything about...

      http://smartgunlaws.org/new-yo...

      New York does not impose a waiting period prior to the purchase of a firearm (although it may take up to six months to obtain a license to purchase a handgun).

      I don't know about you, but "up to six months obtain a license" strikes me as a hell of a waiting period.

      The above are STATE laws, try it in New York City itself and it is much worse...

    140. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/3...

      This right here is another example of all that is wrong with the gun conversation.

      "stopping gun deaths" translates to "well, if we take away all the guns, we'll be fine!"

      Stupid idiots...

      The problem with murders and deaths has nothing to do with guns, everything to do with poverty, crime, and other issues...

      2/3 of all gun deaths are suicide, but the US doesn't have a higher suicide rate than the rest of the modern world, we just use guns to do it.

      That 33,000 gun death number that Clinton keeps tossing out is crap, almost 20K of it are people who shot themselves.

      People who want to die, will find a way to do it...

      When you consider that the majority of gun murders are gang related, that means that fewer than 5,000 gun deaths in the US are non-gang related.

      Considering the 300+ million guns in the US (1 in 3 homes has a gun in it) and the 320 million people, that is a rounding error.

      Guns are not the problem, poverty and culture are the problem, but people refuse to become educated on the subject.

    141. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      71 fucking years ago.

      A LOT has happened since then, dickwad.

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    142. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2

      You can't compare the US and Europe like for like. The US is pretty culturally homogeneous (because you killed off most of the native population and replaced it with your own), whereas Europe has enormous cultural differences, even from one country to the next.

      Eastern Europe is especially under tension, because of the constant and arbitrary moving of borders that has happened over the last century or two.

      The US has had nothing like that, at least not anywhere near that scale of fuckery.

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    143. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Sounds like people can get guns if they want them them and therefore the ghetto should be crime free.

    144. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      As expected, you don't bother to read and learn, you just repeat lies and false beliefs without regard to the truth.

      You're a fool, and worse, you don't even know it.

    145. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you carrying a knife will survive a knifefight with a mugger with a knife who is more willing than you to use it and more experienced? All it will do is make it more likely that they will use it because you are now a viable threat to them. You are far more likely to be safe unarmed going along willingly with their demands and reclaiming your belongings later through law enforcement or insurance. Contrary to popular belief most muggers will not use their weapon if they can avoid it. They do not want to just for the sake of it and it results in a far more severe sentence if they are caught. The same argument can be used for other weapons such as guns. And it encourages an arms race between assailant and victim if the victim becomes a viable threat - start carrying guns and they will respond with semiautomatics and more stopping power so if you get injured it will be worse.

    146. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And although it doesn't reduce the number of criminals to zero it DOES reduce them. Which means it will reduce crimes involving guns. Which reduces injuries.

    147. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      You can get guns legally in the bad areas and therefore they should be low crime areas because guns are magic.

    148. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Coren22 · · Score: 2

      They are for the numerous women who carry them in their purses as a rape defence.

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    149. Re:Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Come on, go big or go home

      http://store.hbo.com/game-of-t...

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    150. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      If the liberal politicians want so much to get rid of the guns, there is a quite easy process to go through. All it takes is a constitutional amendment, it has happened before, and if it is so important and popular, it should be trivial to pass. Until that process is followed, it is the right of every American according to the Bill of Rights to own and bear a firearm.

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    151. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      The battle of app developers disproves his statement?

      http://imgur.com/en3HZ5T

      Here are some figures for you to chew on.

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    152. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      That's not just wrong it's a bad joke. Even supposing such limited sample was significant, statistical analysis requires a judgement call on the meaning of differences. I doubt every bit of data there compared to each other was collected in the same manner over the same time, and that the claimed differences are either traceable to other causes than those listed or will disappear into error.

    153. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      I have always wondered how the argument gets turned around and somehow people who think 2A shouldn't be thrown away have to prove that guns reduce crime. I don't have to prove that. You have to prove that there is such a compelling reason why I should be denied my right to own and carry a firearm.

    154. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      I am not interested in finding data to support my claim that gun deaths include justifiable homicides and suicides for propaganda reasons. To me it is quite self-evident. The only other explanation is that anti-gun activists are too dumb to know they are using the wrong stat. You're free to disagree with me or ignore me or whatever. I'm not here to convince you or anyone else of anything. Sharing my viewpoint on something does not require you to knee jerk with "omg prove it" so you can tell yourself you're insightful.

    155. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      What you mean turned around?

      You specifically made an argument that guns reduce crime. I refuted that line of argument. I said nothing about my position on the Second Amendment, my belief in what the Founders meant when they wrote about the Right to Bear Arms, or any-damn-thing-else you choose to bring in because you're wrong on the effects of firearms on crime.

      You're moving the goal-posts.

    156. Re: Armed robberies can't happen in Europe! by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      I made no such claim. I said there is data that suggests that and there is logic that suggests that, but I explicitly said that is only enough (in my mind) to be used as evidence that you should do whatever you want with gun laws in your country and the anti-2A folks should stop acting like the case is settled and America needs to drop 2A.

  2. Why wonder? by Alumoi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...the victim of said car robbery was recently shocked to see Famuyide's face pop up as a suggested friend he might want to add on Facebook
    Why would the victim be shocked? They shared the same car so they must be friends, right?

    1. Re: Why wonder? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well done

  3. FB Search by eric31415927 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The mugger likely searched the victim on FB after the mugging.
    FB saw one person searching out another and suggested the pairing to the victim.
    With only 50 FB friends and a hidden profile, FB gives me suggestions all of the time.
    Often, the suggestions only make sense if the suggested friend had tried searching for me on FB.

    1. Re:FB Search by Razed+By+TV · · Score: 1

      Even more likely: On numerous occasions, Facebook has suggested people who I have no correspondence with online. These are people I had never thought to look up profiles for. However, these are all people I have had telephone correspondence with. I suspect the Facebook app, or third party apps, of skimming phone contacts and uploading them to Facebook. In this case, the mugger probably, using the victim's phone, 1) called his own friends, or 2) went on his own personal Facebook page. From there, Facebook took the data and connected the dots as possible acquaintances.

    2. Re:FB Search by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Facebook will suggest people based on physical proximity, interests, schools, and other stuff that has nothing to do with searching anything other than the standard profile data.

      I just think it's funny how my ex reacts every time I pop up as a suggested friend. :-)

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    3. Re:FB Search by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      I suspect the Facebook app, or third party apps, of skimming phone contacts and uploading them to Facebook.

      If so then this is just plain evil on FB's part.

      OTOH with my original RAZR V3 I am safe from FB scanning my phone contacts.

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    4. Re:FB Search by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      of skimming phone contacts and uploading them to Facebook

      You don't need to suspect this. They flat out do it and are fully up front about it. The sync contact features is advertised as merging your phone contact list with Facebook, although that functionality is now part of Facebook Messenger and not Facebook itself.

    5. Re:FB Search by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      and other stuff

      Like your phone contact list which is expressly shared with Facebook when you install the Messenger app.

      Facebook take a lot more than the standard profile data.

  4. My takeaway (different from most /.ers) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Be sure to check out all of FB's new features. Some of them might come in handy.

    1. Re: My takeaway (different from most /.ers) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's his status now, anyway?

  5. this shouldn't be used to justify tracking by sittingnut · · Score: 2

    good that obviously guilty criminal is in prison.

    but this sort of thing shouldn't be used to justify tracking, and invasions of privacy, of people who have not explicitly authorized facebook and other techs to track them.

    but i am afraid they will be so used. be prepared hear more stories like this.

    wonder if criminal and his lawyers(in this case probably cheap or free ones) fully used his legal defenses to invalidate evidence.

    1. Re:this shouldn't be used to justify tracking by Pope+Raymond+Lama · · Score: 1

      It is not like the evidence IS his FB profile - he has been recognized, at least by the woman who reported him in. So, even if one takes the pains of "FB is ivading privacy" (to the point people can't be criminals), this instance is not a matter of the evidence being illegal. The most any lawyer could clain would be "the way my client was found was illegal under privacy laws", but once he is found, there is no undoing it. What could possibly be done in a case like this? Subject the guy to some "witness protection program", get him a new secret ID and life, so that he would have to be searched again for theft?

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  6. FB is a panopticon by rsborg · · Score: 4, Informative

    The mugger likely searched the victim on FB after the mugging.

    And this is the reality. You can't do anything on Facebook (even searches) without being caught in one of their algorithms to increase their profit (in this case, by increasing interconnectedness).

    What's even more scary is that Facebook is now tracking and advertising to you when they see you outside of Facebook [1]. This combined with the fact that Facebook trackers are everywhere infested on most sites, means without some means of being ignored [2], you could be tracked even if you didn't visit FB.

    Paranoia: it's healthy now.

    [1] http://www.theverge.com/2016/5...
    [2/CH] https://chrome.google.com/webs...
    [2/FF] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-...

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    1. Re:FB is a panopticon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I the only one who's indifferent to ads or the fact that Facebook makes money?

    2. Re:FB is a panopticon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arg! A Facebook algorithm caught me!!!!!!

    3. Re:FB is a panopticon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but nobody cares about us. Not that this is bad or anything because you likely have real friends.

    4. Re:FB is a panopticon by Solandri · · Score: 2

      What's even more scary is that Facebook is now tracking and advertising to you when they see you outside of Facebook

      They've been doing that for close to a decade. The non-technical press has just finally figured it out. It's the main reason I used extensions like noscript, cookiesafe, and ghostery, and now browse in incognito mode all the time. Every 'f' icon on a web page is a little eyeball tracking what pages you're visiting.

      I'm sorry if you're just learning this now. Facebook probably already knows your name, your address, where you work, who your family, friends, and co-workers are, what you look like (courtesy of FB members who "helpfully" tag you in their photos with your name), what websites you like to visit, what products you like to buy (or window shop for), and thus can make a pretty good guess what your hobbies are, how much money you make, and what your family life is like. Even though you've never created a Facebook account, courtesy of millions of those little 'f' eyeballs.

    5. Re:FB is a panopticon by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      What's even more scary is that Facebook is now tracking and advertising to you when they see you outside of Facebook [1]. This combined with the fact that Facebook trackers are everywhere infested on most sites, means without some means of being ignored [2], you could be tracked even if you didn't visit FB.

      Two things:
      a) This is nothing new and Facebook has been doing this for several years.
      b) How does being tracked by Facebook if you don't visit Facebook (and thus don't log in) make this any more scary than every other advertisement company since the inception of the internet?

      Paranoia is just as unhealthy now as it's always been. People just think the old is new and are afraid of the new.

    6. Re:FB is a panopticon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'd only be able to see me outside Facebook, I've never been on there. What sucks is idiot companies that don't have a home page and think you'll just look them up on Facebook. Wtf.

    7. Re:FB is a panopticon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's even more scary

      Let's face it, it's not actually scary anymore.

      People have been using the phrase "what's even more scary" in reference to what Facebook, Google and other companies have been doing for YEARS. By this stage it's becoming so damn common that it's hard to believe anyone actually finds this stuff scary anymore, in so far as it's so fucking commonplace and expected. We are not going to get back to a world with privacy, that's for sure. We can try to resist it as much as possible but it's clear that companies with more money than God have way too much power to get into our computing habits whether we like it or not, and whether we think we're defeating their attempts or not.

    8. Re:FB is a panopticon by houghi · · Score: 1

      I am glad that 15 years ago I decided to seperate my real and my internet identity. The short time I was on FB I did not even use my real name in the profile.

      That does not mean people (or computers) won't be able to figure out my real identity. It is not even that hard. It just needs 2 extra steps to get to the conclusion and till now that is enough.

      Anybody remember how Big Brother got his power? It was given to him. He never took it.

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    9. Re:FB is a panopticon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's even more scary is that Facebook is now tracking and advertising to you when they see you outside of Facebook

      No, that's not scary. That's how cookies work. You are being tracked by many ad networks including Facebook all the time. If you don't want browsing associated with your Facebook login, use different browser profiles, incognito windows, or cookie-clearing. Facebook, and many other ad networks, will still "track" you as long as you use that logged out cookie. The level of ad network tracking is excessive, but it shouldn't be news, and shouldn't be Facebook-specific news.

      Suggesting me as a friend to people I search for is scary. I thought the search bar was private, so my expectation is violated. Logs of what you search for are one of the most private things you have. For most people, they're more incriminating or embarrassing than email.

    10. Re:FB is a panopticon by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Ublock Origin and Privacy Badger are must-haves. NoScript/Scriptsafe if you're really paranoid.

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  7. Lel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Worthless English letting these mutts into their country. Diversity at work!

    1. Re: Lel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing like doing it in the family, am I right? ;)

  8. Violent felon... by Seng · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    With a conspicuously non-traditional British name. Yeah, open our borders... It's all good, they only want what's ours.

    1. Re:Violent felon... by Megol · · Score: 1

      A suggestion for you to research: lookup the crimes committed by people with "non-traditional British name" and those with "traditional" "British name". Then look to see if non-traditional naming is linked to increased criminal activity. I'd be genuinely surprised if that would be the case.

    2. Re:Violent felon... by franzrogar · · Score: 1

      Quote: "With a conspicuously non-traditional British name. Yeah, open our borders... It's all good, they only want what's ours."

      Sincerely, that seems as if it was written by the late Sir Terry Prattchet (my words):

      >> And the Headmaster of the Guild of Thieves said to the newly appointed Head of Tourism: "Yeah, open our borders. It's all good. They only want what's ours."

    3. Re:Violent felon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Seng' is a conspicuously non-traditional British name. Should you be posting on Slashdot, which of course is intended for people with traditional British names? Are you in Britain, if so have you been vetted, has your DNA been taken?

    4. Re:Violent felon... by ledow · · Score: 2

      Fuck off, you racist twat.

      From a Brit with a traditional British name.

    5. Re: Violent felon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Racism? Are you suggesting all brown people have silly names, or that people with silly names are all brown?

      You are the fucking racist here, Chet.

  9. BZZZ! An example of "strawman" by mi · · Score: 1

    a suggested friend he might want to add

    They shared the same car so they must be friends, right?

    Certainly not "must" — but "might", which the write-up actually attributes to Facebook, is valid.

    Now, why would you attack a strawman?

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  10. Say again? Who can't read? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before you wanna accuse others of having reading comprehension problem, read the following link -

    http://www.birminghammail.co.u...

    Take each and every of your accusation back, asshole !

  11. In other news... by CCarrot · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...idiot mugger uses real photo of himself on Facebook, gets recognized by one of his many victims, and arrested.

    Dude, really? Did you go to the Wet Bandit school of bad-assery?

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    1. Re:In other news... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Did you go to the Wet Bandit school of bad-assery?

      Uh, you have to stay up to date. They're now The Sticky Bandits. ...and Kevin is the new badass...

    2. Re:In other news... by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      Did you go to the Wet Bandit school of bad-assery?

      Uh, you have to stay up to date. They're now The Sticky Bandits. ...and Kevin is the new badass...

      Ah, I see, thanks for the update!

      Unlike potato chips, I find I have no problem stopping after just one Home Alone movie...

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    3. Re:In other news... by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      ...idiot mugger uses real photo of himself on Facebook, gets recognized by one of his many victims, and arrested.

      Dude, really? Did you go to the Wet Bandit school of bad-assery?

      I think you'll find that every criminal uses a real photo of themselves on Facebook. That's the wonderful thing about the criminal mind, they don't hide their face from public life based on the thought that their face was not publicised during their crime.

  12. Welcome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Welcome to City 17.

    For good or ill.

  13. The liberal mindset by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Dear Sir,

    You have done a superb job painstakingly pointing out the flaws of that gun-hating liberal

    If you think you can change their mind, you might as well take a well deserved rest

    Fire can use to burn down a house, but the same fire can also be used for cooking

    The liberals can't understand that guns, like fire, have more than one use. For them 'gun' == 'kill', and that's it. They refuse to accept anything else

    Forget it, Sir. Them liberals' mind is set, in concrete

    1. Re:The liberal mindset by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Liberals do indeed love guns.... so long as they are the only ones that have them.

    2. Re: The liberal mindset by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Whether a liberal or not, remains to be seen.

      You are not a freeman and you don't believe in equality.

      You lack the ability and logic to recognize that guns make everyone equal.

      The small nurse leaving late is equal to any potential rappist when armed.

      A senior citizen homosexual couple outnumbered 3 to 1 by aggressive anti-gay Muslims, gain advantage if they produce a pair of reliable revolvers when assualted.

      This isn't to say the nurse will avoid injuries.

      This isn't to say the shot aggressors won't be added to list of "gun victims".

      This isn't to say victims will win or survive.

      It merely points out that if you believe in individual freedom, then you must accept uninfringed gun ownership. And if you don't support either one of the above, you cannot logically support the other.

      So the result is that all statist are anti-gun, because all statist are anti individual. Given liberals are statist, they are all anti-gun (or illogical, sorry been watching a bunch of Star Trek as of late).

      This isn't to suggest their aren't people like you, who are simply scared of things they don't understand, or cowardly people who resent strong individuals who do stand up to be bullies, or bullies themselves, or criminals hoping for easier prey, or tyrants desiring more slaves, or just slow thinkers, just dense programmed products of public education, or just lemmings, or whatever.

      But freedom respecting people will always support gun rights.

    3. Re: The liberal mindset by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Personally, I enjoyed using my gun to reupholster a sofa.

    4. Re:The liberal mindset by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Guns have one purpose: To maim or kill another living being, either a human or an animal. There is absolutely no other use for a gun. Using a gun to intimidate someone, is to threaten them with the possibility of being maimed or killed.

      Even target shooting (which I sometimes participate in myself) is nothing more than training for using a gun to maim or kill.

      That's it. Firearms have literally no uses that are non-destructive.

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    5. Re:The liberal mindset by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Firearms have literally no uses that are non-destructive.

      No no, you can use them to shoot out the lock of a building where a bunch of orphans are about to be burned alive.

      Please, think of the children.

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    6. Re:The liberal mindset by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      I watched Shoot 'Em Up, too.

      Really bizarrely fun movie, but I worry that's how most Americans actually look at guns.

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  14. I did the same thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is basically how I found out that the pedophile who took advantage of me when I was a kid was still active. I signed into FB to make sure my account wasn't hijacked, and the "people you may know" was filled with profiles of families with small children, from the last city I know he lived in. I contacted police shortly thereafter, and he's being investigated.

    1. Re:I did the same thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never used Facebook, so probably I'm just being ignorant here, but "profiles of families with small children" doesn't sound like the descriptions I've read of how Facebook works. I thought Facebook was for individuals (claiming to be) at least 13 years old, not "families". Please explain.

    2. Re:I did the same thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I mean is, the people that FB decided I may know were all strangers from the same city (the last city I'm aware of the bad guy living in), and when I looked at their profiles, every account that was suggested had pictures of the person with a wife/husband/partner, with young children. I interpreted that to mean the bad person in question had been using those families' computers to search for my name. That's part of how he works. He gets involved with people to get at their children. It was enough to spur law enforcement to investigate him. The only thing I know for sure is that the police know his exact location and are watching him. So, for once, I'm appreciative that FB's incessant tracking and cross-referencing of metadata led to something helpful.

  15. Freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I guess we just define freedom differently. To you, freedom is walking down the street feeling safe because you're allowed to carry a firearm. For me, freedom is walking down the street feeling safe without needing to carry a firearm.

    1. Re:Freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Feel" however you want, the rest of us don't care. But when you start trying to take a means of defense away from others, you have crossed the line. You are taking away others' freedom so that you can "feel" safer. I believe Franklin had a quote regarding liberty and safety.

    2. Re:Freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me choosing to carry a firearm and you choosing not to carry a firearm are not mutually exclusive - unless you're a dictator and feel like you get to tell everyone else that they have to live just like you choose to. Now I'm interested to know why you hate liberty?

    3. Re:Freedom by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      You don't have a right to feelings

    4. Re:Freedom by goose-incarnated · · Score: 2

      I guess we just define freedom differently. To you, freedom is walking down the street feeling safe because you're allowed to carry a firearm. For me, freedom is walking down the street feeling safe without needing to carry a firearm.

      As with most things in life, many people would rather have something and not need it than need something and not have it.

      Besides, your "freedom" to walk down the street without needing a firearm comes from the fact that men with guns back up your "freedom".

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    5. Re:Freedom by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      "When seconds count, the police are minutes away"

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  16. There's an idea... Require facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Require facebook/twitter for all released criminals, and require them to post on activities and to take photos on request...

  17. For once! by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    For once Facebook actually led to something good.

    (Statistically speaking, though, it had to happen sooner or later.)

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  18. I've always wondered about that algorithm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Usually the people that show up for me in the "people you may know" section of Facebook are women that I've dated and broken up with, and whose phone numbers and other contact information have long been deleted from my phone... Maybe Facebook decides who to put in the People you May Know section based on how disturbing and disruptive it would be for you to see their face again...

  19. Kind of happened to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My house was robbed by my next door neighbors. When the police arrived, we told them who did it, but apparently in this country you can be sued for accusing someone without being able to prove it, so nothing happened even after our stolen tablet uploaded a cloud photo with one of their names in it. Three years later and Facebook still suggests members of their family to me as friends.

  20. Sure, makes their job easier by MikeRT · · Score: 1

    Criminals MAY acquire and use guns, but it makes prosecution MUCH easier because by possession they have committed an irrefutable crime already.

    Same is true of any item that is contraband. They catch you with pot, they can hold you until they can get more dirt on you. Hell, the feds could justify holding you for 10 illegally acquired songs found on your cell phone.

    But yeah, guns are Teh Evilz so totally justified and in the public interest. Not threat of that logic being applied to other things...

  21. Bzzz! Wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is an assumption made by an algorithm, and perhaps based on some pictures of the driver(s) and car associating them both to the same vehicle, or who knows what happened. The parent was simply illustrating what could go wrong with tons of personal data online and tons of assumptions. Whether you end up on a terrorist watch list, get fired from your job for some association, or you suddenly have to pay ridiculous insurance rates, who knows what will happen with this russian roulette wheel of data mining.

    1. Re:Bzzz! Wrong! by mi · · Score: 1

      who knows what will happen with this russian roulette wheel of data mining.

      Especially, if the people programming the said datamining routinely substitute "might" for "must", "likely" for "very likely", and so on themselves.

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  22. Algorithm questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does FB pair up matches? They must be matching people searching for you and pairing you up in the People You May Know section. Or perhaps they view your profile.

    I've never had the FB app on my smartphone and yet it knows recent numbers I've added.

  23. no, actually it makes a strong case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for why ammosexuals and their need for compensation are the exact sort of idiots that should not be allowed anywhere near guns, or even pointy sticks.

  24. your freedom to endanger everyone around you by publiclurker · · Score: 1

    is not an actual right son. No matter how special your strapon makes you feel.

    1. Re:your freedom to endanger everyone around you by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      However, the right to bear arms is a right, and until the gun control crowd gets a constitutional amendment, it remains the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

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  25. the only truth in your statement by publiclurker · · Score: 1

    is that you are a racist POS that is using your own bigotry as an excuses to justify your need for compensation. then again, racists have been shown to be strangely attracted to guns. Something about needing a replacement for their spine I guess.

  26. when in doubt lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you do know that studies always show that areas with ammosexuals like you have a higher death rate. Face it son, your mechanical penis does not make you so special that you can lie with impunity.

  27. you do know that your replacement penis by publiclurker · · Score: 1

    does not allow you to simply make up facts and pretend that they have any legitimacy. You are not that powerful without your strapon, what makes you think that you would be with it.

    1. Re:you do know that your replacement penis by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      So in other words, you have chosen to be ignorant...

      What are you doing on Slashdot, if you willfully wish to be stupid?

    2. Re:you do know that your replacement penis by publiclurker · · Score: 1

      no son, I'm not an impotent little ammosexual grasping onto anything they can to pretend that their failed life has some sort of significance. That would explain why I'm not the suicide risk that nobody gun nuts are. You just can't handle how badly youve messed up your life, and rather than improve your situation, resort for firearms. Then when that fails you you have nowhere to go but out.

    3. Re:you do know that your replacement penis by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      no son

      I'm not your son, and you remain stupid, willfully so...

      Go troll somewhere else, you suck at it...

  28. are you talking to youself again son. by publiclurker · · Score: 1

    you do know that mental illness is yet another reason why mentally challenged people like you should not be allowed near firearms , don't you?