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US Death Rate Rises, Health Officials Aren't Sure Why (nbcnews.com)

New submitter Ungrounded Lightning writes: According to The New York Times, the U.S. death rate has risen for the first time in more than a decade (or several decades if particular). The rise is across the whole population, though whites, especially the less educated among them, were recently (and separately) documented to be particularly hard hit. The article speculates about drug abuse (prescription as well as illegal), suicides, and Alzheimer's, though it notes that heart disease -- which had been consistently dropping -- has also risen. No mention was made of whether the cutover to Obamacare might have had some effect. The aging of the population was mentioned, though the rise is present even within particular age groups. The National Center for Health Statistics shows the adjusted death rate went up from 723 deaths per 100,000 people in 2014 to nearly 730 deaths per 100,000 in 2015. We do know that the suicide rate in the U.S. has surged to its highest level in almost three decades.

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  1. Recession is really a depression by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Look at the labor participation rate, not the widely reported unemployment figure. The participation rate is dismal and reflects a lot of white, working class men who don't fit into the modern work force.

    1. Re:Recession is really a depression by Cyberax · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why is the parent modded as "insightful"? It's full of bullshit.

      For example, the price of beef has NOT tripled: http://www.statista.com/statis... - it went from $2.09 per pound in 2006 to $3.05 in 2015. That's annualized 3.2% price growth rate - quite in line with the official inflation.

      And if you don't believe BLS then there's an alternative: http://bpp.mit.edu/usa/ - they collate prices from multiple sources (literally more than a billion price points a day) and compute their own inflation measurements. And it's in agreement with BLS.

      Anecdotes like "BLS changes stuff to hide the TRUTH" are totally and ALWAYS a complete bullshit. Always. No exceptions.

    2. Re:Recession is really a depression by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Too late. People believe only the first thing they read or something that its into their belief system.

    3. Re:Recession is really a depression by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why is the parent modded as "insightful"? It's full of bullshit.

      The parent didn't articulate his point as well as he might have, choosing a poor example with the price of food. However, even with the commodity example he's not wholly wrong. In the decades since 1978, increases in productivity in the US economy have gone overwhelmingly to the top income quintile and since the Great Recession of 2008, which accelerated these trends, to the top 10% and top 1% respectively. Wages have stagnated as generations of ordinary working people have shared little in these gains for 37+ years now. Moreover, the cost of key goods which many middle class people buy, including health care and college education, have skyrocketed. The result is a shrinking middle class which feels increasingly pressured, squeezed and pinched by high costs and incomes that haven't kept up, even though multiple family members are working harder and more hours than ever before. You cannot deny that this is an issue, the evidence is overwhelming. Indeed, all of the 2016 presidential candidates are talking about it. They may disagree on what to do about it or how to fix it, but almost nobody questions the existence of the problem.

    4. Re:Recession is really a depression by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you don't know why you aren't happy, then change.

      Nothing like a person who knows nothing about depression giving medical advice.

      Like telling a dead person to "walk it off".

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    5. Re:Recession is really a depression by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is absolutely true. Hispanics and blacks, and really all non-whites, with a few exceptions here and there, are generally extremely socially conservative compared to white people. White people are the most socially liberal worldwide, with the possible exception of Thais. Think about it: in what parts of the world is it legal for women to walk around topless or nude? In what parts of the world is it socially acceptable for people to have casual sex with multiple partners? What countries/places have legalized marijuana? What places are the most irreligious? What places are the safest and most accepting for homosexuals? I'll tell you which places aren't on this list: any place in Latin America, any place in the Middle East, China, Philippines, India, Russia, and the American South which is heavily populated by African-Americans. Black people in the South are famous for being extremely religious and conservative, and Hispanics are famous for "family values" and being Catholic and having a lot of kids. These are not traits of socially liberal people.

      Now of course, there's plenty of ultra-conservative white people too, particularly in the South and the Midwest and the "heartland" and also Utah. Also in Russia, where the Russian Orthodox church has become very powerful after the fall of the USSR.

      But you're exactly right: these minorities are generally rather conservative. They only vote Democratic because the Republican party panders to white racism and blames them for the nation's ills, so they happily vote for right-wing Democrats like Hillary who insist that "marriage is between one man and one woman" (up until it's too politically expedient to change that opinion), and who are completely against legalizing marijuana, and who take "campaign contributions" from the private prison industry and payday loan industry.

    6. Re: Recession is really a depression by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pfft, you pampered kids these days. I grow my own grass to raise my own cows, which I created by breeding wild cattle over many generations to optimize for muscle weight and docile behavior. I forged my own cleavers from a handbuilt kiln fired by locally sourced wood coal and a bellows made from cow stomach. How did I get the cow stomach without first having a cleaver, you ask? Good question, if you're a fan of dumb questions. I used flint, of course. In order to find the flint, first I familiarized myself with geological maps of the area (which I had created back in my cartographer days), then I searched everywhere: in plowed fields, in the gravel of creek and river bottoms, construction sites, under bridges and eroded roadside ditches. Most of the flint was of poor quality, or too small for a blade, but eventually I found the perfect sample. Anyway, once I had my cow stomach and my bellows and finished forging my cleavers, I could process my own meat almost effortlessly on my hand-built processing line, and let me tell you, I've saved a ton of money this way. Why spend money when you can spend lots and lots of time, I say? Time is free and there's an endless supply! Anyway, my 80th birthday is coming up soon, so I think it's about time I start dating. First, I need to make myself some nice clothes though. Don't want to scare off the ladies with my cow-hide panchos. Mama didn't raise no fools!

    7. Re:Recession is really a depression by david_thornley · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Government has some reason to help the poor, but business really doesn't. They don't have money, and the fact that they're poor mean they're more available, replaceable, and exploitable as labor. They don't have the capital to set themselves up in some sort of business, even for the entrepeneural ones.

      So, assume that you're a poor man with a wife and two kids, barely scraping by. You have no money to take courses to improve your lot, or time for that matter, since you're working two part-time jobs and have travel time. In the absence of government intervention, how are you going to get your share of improving productivity?

      If you're a business owner, in the absence of government regulation, what incentive do you have to spend a dime on pollution abatement? These are practical questions. While you say you don't want pollution, grinding poverty, or social Darwinism, I don't see how your ideology leads you to ways to avoid them.

      Certainly, if you can label what you like "socialism" and point to North Korea (totalitarian), China (totalitarian), Greece (devastated by EU bankers), and Venezuela (screwed up) as the inevitable endgame, I can label what you like "anarcho-libertarianism" and point to Somalia. I'd rather stick to more productive arguments, myself.

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    8. Re:Recession is really a depression by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Trump doesn't know shit. He is just making it up as he goes along. He has one trick. Rile up angry white racists, and have no shame. I don't think even he realized how successful this idiotically simple strategy would be. I don't think the leaders in the Republican party realized just how many assholes were in their own party until now. The other republican candidates seemed to share the delusion that their party was not about racism, bigotry, xenophobia, misogyny, jingoism, etc, but it turns out they were wrong. That's exactly who they cultivated, and who they are.

      It's completely fucking scary, but at least it's out in the open now. Trump is by far the must unfavorable presidential candidate in US history. Unfortunately the democrats seem unable to nominate a candidate that is better than the 2nd most unfavorable presidential candidate in US history.

      Regardless of who wins this election, the loser will be American society as a whole. Whoops. Luckily the damage a bad president can do alone is limited to making good laws harder to pass and bad laws easier to pass, preventing the nominations of good supreme court justices, and starting shit with other countries.

  2. Campaign season by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Funny

    As many people as possible are trying to die in order to avoid having to choose between Trump and Clinton. Ironically, more dead people than ever are voting.

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    1. Re:Campaign season by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah I think this is by far the biggest "douche vs turd" election I've ever witnessed, and I can't even fathom how it could possibly get even worse than this. Seriously, this year politics in America has probably hit rock bottom.

    2. Re:Campaign season by Yaztromo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah I think this is by far the biggest "douche vs turd" election I've ever witnessed, and I can't even fathom how it could possibly get even worse than this. Seriously, this year politics in America has probably hit rock bottom.

      If I may speak for a second on behalf of everyone in the rest of the world...

      America, you have just shy of 325 million residents. I don't know how many of those are natural-born residents eligible to run for US President, but I assume the percentage is fairly high. Let's say at least 275 million people. How is it that from such a huge number that these are the best people you could come up with???

      You guys really need to dig deeper for political talent. We in the outside world are getting worried about you if the current crop of clowns is the best you can find!

      Yaz

    3. Re:Campaign season by Lotana · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not that easy. Out of 275 citizens how many can afford a political campaign?

      If you are not rich or have backing of the rich, you don't count.

    4. Re:Campaign season by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is it that from such a huge number that these are the best people you could come up with???

      We didn't come up with them. This is being done to us, not for us or by us.

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    5. Re:Campaign season by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So when do the armed people take to the streets and use their guns to take back power?

      After missing three meals.

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    6. Re:Campaign season by wwalker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or you can be like Bernie. Fuck, for once, there is a worthy, honest candidate, who really stands by his principles, who is not in a pocket of any corporations, who has a long history of doing the right thing, instead of going with the popular opinion of the time, and a lot of experience with politics. And he is still losing to Hillary because of the rigged democratic party (superdelegates) and a perceived "socialist" boogieman bullshit.

  3. Poverty by MrKaos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The stresses related to being poor.

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    1. Re:Poverty by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not just poverty. Medical insurance is so expensive and often has very high deductibles so that many middle class people don't go to the doctor when they probably should.

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  4. Maybe it's the same thing that whacked Padme by TigerPlish · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "She lost the will to live."

    While that may sound mawkish, isn't it possible that many more folk are falling into depression, given the long-term downturn in the economy, the bleakness of the foreseeable future, and just a sense of "Man, nothing we can do will fix this?"

    I'm sure I'm projecting a bit here, but... I'm also sure a lot of y'all are thinking exactly the same thing. There's an ugly mood about America right now, and the media and politicos are trying to paper it over.. but it's there. The numbers are lying. We're not as well as they tell us we are. To me it feels like the mid to late 70's did. Ugh, that was ugly. I was 10 going into 1980, and I could sense it was ugly.

    So what I'm saying is.. maybe more people are dying off because things have been rotten for a couple of decades, and there's no end in sight?

    Could just be me, though. I'm a pessimist by nature and by training. Meteorology and then IT? Yeah. Expect the worst, always =o)

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  5. Re:Go figures? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... everyone dies eventually, and we are maybe just witnessing the "older generation who was the first to benefit from those progresses" starting to die.

    But the death rate within each age group went up. Ageing population was already corrected for.

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  6. Genocide by axewolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The people, especially whites, are being punished for the failed social doctrine to which they have been subject. They are too hard to please; they need more resources to do work than immigrants from the third world. They expect a quality of life that "they don't deserve" according to our leaders and people who don't have any real problems in their lives in general ("they're not me so fuck them" syndrome).

    The situation boils down to the simple fact that we have incompetent leaders that are incapable of mobilizing our human resources because they live in a bubble and can't relate to anything they don't have first-hand experience in, which is not much. They are used to having people do all of that for them, but their social doctrine has seen that all of those people have disappeared.
    They've milked the cow too dry: the worst aspect is that the world wars damaged the population severely by disrupting the traditional transference of knowledge, habit, and experience; too many kids grew up without fathers and the media failed to pick up the pieces.

    If throwing money at the problem by making an exaggerated effort to solve it with whatever devices happen to be lying around doesn't work immediately, as was the case with the media, our leaders find the problem to be impossibly difficult to solve. The quality of true innovation has escaped them from generation after generation of soft living; they completely rely on others that they can entice with wealth to do everything for them. They have inherited a system that they very barely can keep track of and have completely forgotten how it was made. They have lost the characteristics that allowed their ancestors to make it to begin with.

    If they can't solve the puzzle, then, like the spoiled rotten idiot children they are, they start attacking it. See: the recent "recession". It is simply the rich robbing everyone who isn't working in the industries with the most growth. Squeezing people dry until there's nothing left to shed but their very lives. This ensures that people are living day-to-day and cannot organize to do something to help themselves (against their leaders' interests), like enact a revolution (like the German Third Reich).

  7. You guys are working too hard for too little by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe the reason is that the USAians are working harder and longer than before, and because of the always-present stress about making ends meet.

    Perhaps some unions or welfare system would be nice to have?

  8. Re: Libtards by silentcoder · · Score: 4, Informative

    The thing about making absolute statements is that it only takes a single counter-example to absolutely disprove them. So here you go.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    But it's not Andalusia of today that is interesting, it's Andalusia as it existed between 1920 and 1939. Andalusia the land of plenty while the rest of the world were living in the great depression. Absolutely socialist and completely anarchist - had no government whatsoever (let alone a totalitarian one). Orwell fought on their side in the Spanish civil war - he called Andalusia the closest thing to a Utopian society that has ever existed. A society that had no poverty, starvation or suffering at all - and more personal liberty than any other in history before or since.

    That pissed off everybody else - nobody liked to see people governing themselves, without poverty or hunger, in a functioning industrial society. Other country's citizens may get ideas... so they faced a two-front war. Capitalist and communists (they may despise each other but not nearly as much as they despised anarcho-soialists. The Capitalists hated both the anarchism and the socialism and the communists REALLY hated the idea of a working socialism without an autocratic state) actually formed an alliance to wipe Andalusia off the map and after almost 2 decades they finally overwhelmed them.
    But economically, politically and socially it was an astoundingly successful society. Democracy's greatest success. Unfortunately nobody can stand forever against a sustained war on two fronts by extremely powerful forces, even so it took two decades to defeat them.

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  9. Re:it's obvious by Entrope · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you look at the components of the increase, it does not look much like an obesity epidemic. There are increases in suicide, Alzheimer's, gun deaths (probably because of suicides), and opioid overdoses. Most of the increase was among whites, especially white women, but whites have a slightly lower obesity rate than most other racial categories in the US.

    It is easy, but probably wrong, to blame this on people's bad eating habits.

  10. Re:WTF with the spurious Obamacare reference? by Diss+Champ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know more people who have lost their healthcare as a result of Obamacare than who have gotten health care who did not have it before. Then again, I know more working class folks than non-working who can get the biggest subsidies.

    That's just anecdotal of course.

    Less anecdotal is that health care costs have risen considerably, and that even if one has insurance under Obamacare, the cost of getting sick is high (look at deductables and out-of-pocket maximums of the various tiers).

  11. Arizona changed the rules by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pre-Obamacare single adults couldn't get on Medicare regardless of income. I have two friends with medical conditions that prevent them from working who used to carry around the letter telling them they were denied because they got tired of folks like you convinced that it was somehow their fault they didn't have the medicine they needed to stay alive. Telling yourself Medicare was taking care of these people might make you feel better but it doesn't make it true.

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    1. Re:Arizona changed the rules by orgelspieler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You realize this is essentially the system the Republicans were espousing in the 90s, right? If Obama had any balls at all, he would have insisted on single payer. Instead, he thought using a page from the Republican playbook would somehow assuage them. He really underestimated their hatred for him. He could have proposed tax cuts for Exxon and a ban on raping puppies, and they would have balked.