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UK Risks Over-Blocking Content Online, Warns Human Rights Watchdog (arstechnica.co.uk)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: The UK is at serious risk of over-blocking web content, the Council of Europe has warned in a scathing report. "Governments have an obligation to combat the promotion of terrorism, child abuse material, hate speech and other illegal content online. However, I am concerned that some states are not clearly defining what constitutes illegal content. Decisions are often delegated to authorities who are given a wide margin for interpreting content, potentially to the detriment of freedom of expression," said CoE secretary general, Thorbjorn Jagland. The 32-page report also concluded that some British practices may be in breach of the case law of the European Court of Human Rights, and that the current framework seems more concerned with protecting ISPs from liability, than the general public's freedom of expression. The study singled out the Internet Watch Foundation (IWF) whose job it is to police online child abuse material. The IWF has existed in some form since 1996, but is not a government body or law enforcement agency, but instead, a registered charity, funded by the European Union and the wider online industry, including big players such as Google and Microsoft. Although the report noted that "the IWF has taken a number of steps to better ensure that its operations are transparent and proportionate, in the absence of legal safeguards against over-blocking, the threshold for the kind of material which may be subjected to removal is therefore much lower than that which might otherwise be set out in law."

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  1. That's a feature, not a bug. by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Governments know they can't ever hope to effectively block all of those things. They also know they can very effectively use them as an excuse to block things that are politically inconvenient.

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  2. Classic PR trick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Governments have an obligation to combat the promotion of terrorism, child abuse material, hate speech and other illegal content online. However..."

    No they don't. This is a classic fake "opponent" trick, who "opposes" while actually setting the baseline of an argument. In this case setting a bunch of things Govenments are OBLIGATED to censor. And that baseline is so broad they didn't even enumerate it: "other illegal content".

    They HAVE an obligation to permit free speech. Everything below that is a BAD thing.

    1. Re:Classic PR trick by Calydor · · Score: 2

      Not necessarily.

      Governments have an obligation to keep their citizens safe AS WELL as protecting free speech. It becomes a very difficult balancing act when you look at things like whether to permit or block encouragements to go bomb the local town hall.

      Are governments doing the right thing all the time? Of course they aren't. They never will, they can't - they are ultimately made up of humans and humans are prone to make mistakes. But would you rather have a government that learns about plans to bomb half the country and go "Meh, better not stop them from doing that, they have a right to say they're going to."?

      It all boils down to taking everything in moderation. The famous quote does speak about giving up essential liberty to purchase temporary security, but in the bigger picture what will you do with your liberty if you're dead?

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    2. Re:Classic PR trick by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Governments have an obligation to keep their citizens safe AS WELL as protecting free speech. (...) But would you rather have a government that learns about plans to bomb half the country and go "Meh, better not stop them from doing that, they have a right to say they're going to."?

      This is the position of Bush and the NSA, either you support us or you support the terrorists. No, the government has no obligation to keep their citizens safe because that would imply that every time a crime is committed the government has failed. If I walk out the door and punch the nearest person I see, that's a failure. If I find a rock and throw it through a window, that's a failure. Sure I expect crime to be investigated, prosecuted and the guilty convicted but pretending the government could or should have the power to prevent all crime is folly. In that case, we'd all be locked in padded rooms.

      In fact, the consequences of even trying are so wide open for abuse that they in the Bill of Rights made an explicit amendment so the government can't just search through anything they want for no reason, like opening all the letters or in modern day terms listening in to all the phone calls. But in a beautiful end-run around the constitution they've found that if you run a secret program nobody knows their rights are being violated and if you're exposed you can use national security to prevent any evidence from seeing the light of day. So with no standing and no evidence, the cases will be dismissed.

      Snowden, Facebook, "the Cloud", Windows 10... it's pretty clear the frog is already cooked and couldn't jump out if it wanted to. Unless you want to be a modern-day Amish stuck in the 20th century your life will be tracked and monitored. Last century we saw great advances in democracy and freedom, the last decade has been ambivalent with the Democracy index flat. The way technology is going, I expect this to be the century of the authoritarian regimes. All this massive surveillance has given governments the power to stomp out any resistance in its infancy.

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  3. Re:Nah by zrobotics · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, I appreciate the fact that I'm unlikely to run into child porn with a casual Google search. I think that the Web will migrate to separate levels: Facebook crap for unimportant things and tor for anything important. The way I see it, increased restrictions on something the average person views as a free-for-all will only encourage end-to-end encryption. The tighter they grip, the more subnets slip through their fingers. Bastards like child pornographers may escape the net, but there is always a price to be paid for civil liberties. Increasing the restrictions on online expression is a little late; the cat is out of the bag. However, the average person isn't prepared for civil disobedience, so the UK will likely be successful here. Sad.

  4. Protection vs Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... Any blocking is over blocking ...

    Nope, you can't be more wrong !!

    When China blocks their internet it is known as Censorship but when it is England, or France, or any of the Western so-called 'democracies' the Net-blockage is called 'protection'

  5. Re:Support overblocking by phayes · · Score: 2

    Why do you seem to be defending the producers of kiddie porn?

    See, you're not the only one who can misinterpret what someone else says to cast a fake shadow. Besides which, blocking the dissemination would prevent most kiddie porn from ever existing and does not need the Orwellian social controls that would be needed to prevent it's production.

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  6. Re:Just use Tor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I live in the UK. My ISP blocks the pirate bay and other similar pirate sites. No big deal, I just use Tor to get around the blockade.

    That'll probably work fine until the conservatives decide that using Tor qualifies as "accessing content illegally" under their shotgun interpretation of "promotion of terrorism, child abuse material, hate speech and other illegal content online".

  7. Hate speech... by MikeRT · · Score: 2

    In case you're wondering why so many people don't support outlawing hate speech, this is one of countless examples. Not a damn thing done to the perp because he is in the "right group." And countless people will come out of the woodwork to declare him a "marginalized person of color" or some shit that excuses why he gets to beat up a random person at another party's rally and brag on Twitter and not even get his account banned, let alone prosecuted.

  8. Re:Nah by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When have you ever run into child porn? I've been moving through the various levels of the internet now for about 20 years, and I cannot say that I ever stumbled upon anything that could remotely be considered child porn. Maybe because they do not WANT to be stumbled upon? If you did something illegal, would you want someone "innocent" to just happen to stumble in? That has little if anything to do with some entity blocking content.

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  9. Re:Nah by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    Due to spying and mass invasion of privacy, I and many of my friends already use a VPN for daily browsing. Such VPNs rarely bother with the IWF blacklist, and of course ignore court mandated blocking of torrent/streaming sites by the BPI and co. because the orders don't apply to them.

    I'd be happy to have certain stuff, like child pornography, blocked, if there was accountability and transparency. Clearly that is going to be extremely difficult when dealing with illegal imagery. So, the only reasonable way to handle the situation is to forget about blocking and spying on everyone, and instead go after the people creating the images and ask the places (most likely unknowingly) hosting the sites to remove them.

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  10. Re:Nah by joe_frisch · · Score: 2

    I don't object to blocking all child porn (that involves actual children) because its production involves the commission of a crime. I am also happy with systems that prevent people from inadvertently stumbling on content that a significant number of people would find offensive, or that is inappropriate for children.

    Where I do not agree with current policies is in blocking any political speech. I don't care if that speech encourages jihad, racism, etc. There have been too many cases in history where topics (like opposition to Christianity, or aristocratic birth rights) were considered "obviously" unacceptable, yet later society later changed their minds.

    Speech that instructs direct illegal actions, slander, violation of copyright etc, can be blocked, but speech that simply supports a viewpoint or organization that opposes the government should always be allowed .