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Qualcomm's Connected Car Reference Platform To Connect Smart Cars To Everything (networkworld.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Qualcomm wants to supply the next generation of autonomous and connected cars with networking to connect everything inside and outside of the cars. That means 5G, WiFi, Bluetooth, GNSS, DSRC, V2X, OABR, CAN, etc. ... [Networkworld reports: "Qualcomm today announced its Connected Car Reference Platform intended for the car industry to use to build prototypes of the next-generation connected car. Every category from economy to luxury car will be much smarter than the connected luxury car of today, creating a big opportunity for Qualcomm to supply semiconductors to automakers and suppliers. Qualcomm described the following features of the Connected Car Reference Platform in its release:
Scalability: Using a common framework that scales from a basic telematics control unit (TCU) up to a highly integrated wireless gateway, connecting multiple electronic control units (ECUs) within the car and supporting critical functions, such as over-the-air software upgrades and data collection and analytics.
Future-proofing: Allowing the vehicleâ(TM)s connectivity hardware and software to be upgraded through its life cycle, providing automakers with a migration path from Dedicated Short Range Communications (DSRC) to hybrid/cellular V2X and from 4G LTE to 5G.
Wireless coexistence: Managing concurrent operation of multiple wireless technologies using the same spectrum frequencies, such as Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and Bluetooth Low Energy.
OEM and third-party applications support: Providing a secure framework for the development and execution of custom applications."]
Scalability: Using a common framework that scales from a basic telematics control unit (TCU) up to a highly integrated wireless gateway, connecting multiple electronic control units (ECUs) within the car and supporting critical functions, such as over-the-air software upgrades and data collection and analytics.
Future-proofing: Allowing the vehicleâ(TM)s connectivity hardware and software to be upgraded through its life cycle, providing automakers with a migration path from Dedicated Short Range Communications (DSRC) to hybrid/cellular V2X and from 4G LTE to 5G.
Wireless coexistence: Managing concurrent operation of multiple wireless technologies using the same spectrum frequencies, such as Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and Bluetooth Low Energy.
OEM and third-party applications support: Providing a secure framework for the development and execution of custom applications."]
What could possibly go wrong??
Motor vehicles can be used as weapons. I prefer to be 100% in control of them at all times.
What could possibly go wrong....
I am pretty sure 'Security' should be in that list as well, must have slipped the advertising drone's mind when they wrote it up. Let's hope the engineers designing it are not similarly deficient.
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I'm guessing the CIA will be signing up for that wireless API with special interest in the get_gps_location(), lock_brake_single_wheel(), set_steering_angle(), set_throttle_position_override() functions.
Yes, we fucking get it, security matters. But gone are the nerds who might find creative and interesting things to do with the technology or at least discuss how it works. Now it's just a bunch of losers wearing tin foil hats. We fucking get it and don't need 50 redundant ass comments about security. Want to get modded up on crapdot? Find any article about technology and post your paranoid ramblings. It's the new karma whoring.
And PIT maneuvers. Just turn off perps car. Talk to him over his car speakers and plead for the children. Upload bieber virus to your ECM. Turn your heated seats on high and sweat your ass out. I'm sure I can think up some more good points given a few more shots of Jager.
OEM and third-party applications support:
Providing a secure framework for the development and execution of custom applications.
Will be updated to:
Providing a secure framework for the development and application of custom executions.
You have the right to remain sentient. If you give up the right to remain sentient, you will be elected to public office
Data roaming fees just say 1-2GB download / update / software push / can cost you up to about $30K in data roaming fees at $15 a meg.
So OTA upgrades are seen as a critical function now? WTF
If you're building a wireless car, you better have security and reliability as your number one bullet point. (even better, you don't need OTA upgrades because you get it right the first time)
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
In the near future they won't even need to go out and steal the car, it will just drive itself to you. What a country!
My choice for a secure vehicle in the future ... increasingly resembles a 1960's VW.
Are we posting ads as stories now?
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Security
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
I want a UN-connected car, no transmit or receive abilities at all. Hard wire connections only to separate sub-systems. I heard an TV add touting connection to your smart watch. For what earthly purpose should your car talk to your watch. For all the techie nerds jonesing autonomous cars I suggest a dedicated expressway, for the Lemmings, to the cliff overlooking the ocean, God speed you to your destiny. For the companies fighting to climb on the band wagon you need to lead the pack on the new i666 road to infinity, you deserve the honor in spades.
Does it run Linux?
Meet the new owner same as the last owner.
This connected car reference platform consists of many chips and there lies perfectly legitimate venue to make a killing
Invent a chip which works just like one (or more) that is in the reference platform, engineer it in a way that it can become both a backdoor (containing a backdoor entry path) and a source for system jamming (totally scrambled up the communication pathway so nothing goes through) and wait
Wait till your chip got installed in millions upon millions of cars worldwide and you sell the secret to one or more of the state-sponsored hacker groups
Even if the shit hits the fan it's no longer your business as the genie has left the bottle
i cant beleive cars still dont fly, im sorry but i dont care about computerized cars, the cheapest cars they sell in my country dont even have electric rolling fucking windows, its hard to believe they will put this on every car, in fact i dont beleive it at all. So people that say that all cars will be like this are going to be right, but only in certain countries, most of the planet will still have regular cars
The connected hammer!
Best for counting nails and measuring the amount of consumed calories!
There's plenty you can do with technology to make cars more interesting or useful. Look at all the modern driver aids, such as traction control or assisted braking. Look at modern navigation systems. Even the lights on modern cars are getting totally redesigned to be more effective.
However, connecting cars wirelessly to anything and everything is foolish with today's technology. There was a story just yesterday about how an OTA update broke the radio and navigation systems on Lexus cars. A couple of days before that, there was a story about how the alarm on a Mitsubishi model could be remotely disabled due to poor wireless security. Paranoia is irrational distrust. It's hardly irrational to be concerned when we've had two major failures so far this week and plenty more before that.
The point about the Luddites was that they were opposed to technological changes that would potentially make them redundant by doing their jobs better and more efficiently. Nothing about having hopelessly vulnerable control systems attached to vast numbers of heavy, fast-moving vehicles falls into that category.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
The brave new world 10 years or 20 years from now we will have
* Driverless Cars
* Connected Cars
* Smart Bots
* Deep Learning Computers in Everything
* Smart Road
* Smart Drones
* Smart City
* Smart Swarming of Drones
* Smart Appliances with Embedded Deep Learning Capabilities
Can anyone spare a crystal ball?
I sure like to know how the brave new world might pan out
Posting AC for reasons to become apparent.
I work for a company that does R&D that CARB uses to make decisions on new regulations for vehicles sold in California. For the past 6 months or so we have been testing a platform for real-time centralized monitoring of emission systems in both passenger and commercial vehicles.
In this platform, connected vehicles send real-time diagnostic information from the OBD system to CARB via a GSM link. CARB can then identify vehicles that have emissions problems and notify owners, prevent the vehicles starting, and if necessary, automatically levy fines for non-compliant commercial vehicles.
The system can also shut down commercial diesel vehicles that idle for too long, and we're working on tying the system to CARB's penalty system for commercial vehicles to enforce school zone idle regulations (yes, there are more strict rules for idling a diesel vehicle in a school zone - including one that says a diesel commercial vehicle must leave a school zone within 30 seconds of starting, or the driver faces a $1000 penalty), as well as other regulations on commercial vehicles.
Overall this is a wonderful system that will help vehicle owners keep their cars and trucks compliant with CARB regulations, reduce health effects of fossil fuel use, keep our children healthier and safer, and capture lost noncompliance revenue, which is estimated to be millions of dollars every year.
The current internal proposal is that all 2020 and newer commercial diesel vehicles sold or operated in California must have this system. But, there is also some fluidity there.
No thanks. I want a completely dumb car with zero computers built in. If I want to use a GPS I'll buy one that attaches to the dash.
Not interested, not buying one.
Full platform docs, api, etc.... What? it's not 100% open.
FAIL. Will not be adopted.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Motor vehicles can be used as weapons. I prefer to be 100% in control of them at all times.
Well chances are that you aren't a particularly talented driver and there is ample evidence that you being "100% in control of them at all times" is almost certainly actually a safety hazard. Both to yourself and more importantly to the rest of us. Insisting on 100% control of a car is as ridiculous as insisting that you be the one to pilot the airplane or you being the train engineer. Just because you feel more comfortable doesn't actually make it a good idea. If technology can get better results and keep you (and more importantly me) safe from your control issues then I don't give a damn what your preferences are.
Just put an line-input jack on the stock radio, and make the radio opening is a standard replaceable size, and stop fucking around with it.
It's a car--not a information center. Even GPS may be replaced someday. Are we just supposed to throw our car out because the some codec or protocol isn't supported in your stupid hackmagnet monstrosity of pointless obsolescence and seething complication?
https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendaEM
I agree, but then why do people here, a tech sites fully of supposedly technically mided people, keep saying they want a 1970s level of technology in their cars? That was my point.
Because change is hard even for people who like technology. Furthermore just because someone reads slashdot doesn't mean they are necessarily progressive in their views on technology. Slashdot has a small contingent of idiots here arguing against vaccines for crying out loud.
Once people get used to something a certain way it can be incredibly hard to get them to change, even if all the evidence indicates that the change will be for the better. Many people like to drive a manual transmission car even though the technology now under performs many forms of automatic and semi-automatic transmissions. There is no rational performance basis today to prefer a traditional manual transmission and yet they persist.
I see "OEM and third-party applications support". That sounds like a "good idea"(tm) when every third party app will come with the required 400 page disclaimer and rights waiver "this app is not guaranteed in any way and you waive and damage claims against the supplier"
Although I do see great promise in phone apps for the "real time driving experience you have always wanted" connected to the car app "leave the driving to us".
I do not want a car that has wireless access to start it, or eventually hack into it. I don't believe I'll ever want one that can update OTA. I'll stick with my old fashioned 2014 car that only connects to my Bluetooth phone.
What is with all the Luddites on SlashDot?
Where did the people who embrace and understand Tech go?
Side note: You can not want it all you like, you will simply have no cars to pick from in the next few years.
There are plenty of people who "understand Tech", and know that it is not a panacea. Not all tech should be implemented, or not all people want all the tech. Some of us are happy with tech X, Y, and Z, but not with A, B, or C. I'm all for nuclear power (in addition to renewables), but could do without nuclear weapons.
Then I'll simply pedal my bicycle and ride my motorcycle.
Side note: some of us enjoy driving for the act of driving itself, and not for any practical outcomes. It's the reason why I own a motorcycle for example (though it is practical with regards to gas mileage and being nimble in urban traffic).
It boggles my mind that with the constant stream of reports coming in about cars being hacked in one way or the other, not a single mention of the word 'security' appears anywhere.
Car companies have clearly demonstrated that they don't know shit about security, and don't seem to care either. If Qualcomm is going to put together some kind of reference network design for car companies to use, that makes them equally culpable should the car get stolen, or if anything else happens that turns out to be network related.
"Qualcomm's Connected Car Reference Platform To Connect Smart Cars To Everything"
Yes, and by "everything", they mean "ads and hackers". Yippee.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
What if I just want a car (or light pickup in my case) that's just a car, and not a rolling amusement park/lifestyle? What if I just want it to be as plain and simple as possible? What if, at the very minimum, I don't want my vehicle 'connected' to anything at all wirelessly, is there an 'Off' switch I can flip to kill all the transceivers? At least a fuse I can pull that will depower it all?
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Future-proofing: Allowing the vehicleâ(TM)s connectivity hardware and software to be upgraded through its life cycle,
Since the early 1200's we have seen again and again that anything which can be upgraded, can be compromised.
Car computer should never be connected to anything.
Actually, a car does not need computer and it should not have one.
Cars with computers are orders of magnitude more complex than those without.
But cars with and without computers all go down the road the same way.
s/cars/lawnmowers/
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7trn91xkJ0w