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Parents Are Worried the Amazon Echo Is Conditioning Their Kids To Be Rude (qz.com)

Quartz has a story today in which it documents several concerns from parents that Amazon Echo (and perhaps other AI-powered devices) is conditioning the kids of this generation to be rude. "How?" You ask. For one, unlike a human parent who gets annoyed listening to the same question numerous times, Amazon Echo doesn't mind that. From the report: "I've found my kids pushing the virtual assistant further than they would push a human," says Avi Greengart, a tech analyst and father of five who lives in Teaneck, New Jersey. "[Alexa] never says 'That was rude' or 'I'm tired of you asking me the same question over and over again.'" Perhaps she should, he thinks. "One of the responsibilities of parents is to teach your kids social graces," says Greengart, "and this is a box you speak to as if it were a person who does not require social graces."

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  1. I'm Siri by bestweasel · · Score: 2

    Im sorry Dave, I can't do that. Unless you say please.

    1. Re:I'm Siri by suutar · · Score: 2

      it may give them an example of how to be polite when the other person is a bore, but is that really the same as teaching them?

  2. More of a parenting problme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Than a technology problem

    1. Re:More of a parenting problme by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah. I find that [... racist comment...]

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  3. Solution by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't buy that shit, don't install it in your house and educate your children to be proper human beings.

    1. Re:Solution by pla · · Score: 3, Informative

      educate your children to be proper human beings.

      This, a million times this.

      Alexa teaches kids rudeness? Bullshit. Lazy parents who expect TV and computers (and now Alexa) to absolve them of the basic responsibilities that come with sticking your dick in another human (or vice-versa) lead to obnoxious self-entitled brats that turn into obnoxious self-entitled adults. Really as simple as that.

      Alexa has nothing to do with it. Quit blaming other people for your problems, folks. Amazon doesn't make you a shitty parent, you make you a shitty parent.

    2. Re:Solution by sjames · · Score: 2

      Yeah, yeah, bla, bla, bla.

      They're not demanding, marching in the streets, shaking their fists in anger, or even threatening not to buy one. It was just a suggestion (and not a bad one at that).

      Do you get pissed when parents read from a storybook at bedtime rather than from memory too?

    3. Re:Solution by Cruciform · · Score: 2

      "responsibilities that come with sticking your dick in another human (or vice-versa)"

      Forget the robot parenting. I want to know how you stick your human in another dick.

  4. Wasting good manners on help... by mi · · Score: 2

    Why be nice to a machine — a mere syntactic device?

    Parents ought to teach kids to be polite to the sentient — yes. Unfortunately, lack of good manners there well predates any AI.

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    1. Re:Wasting good manners on help... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You think young kids make a clear distinction between a machine that understands them and responds to them in a human voice, and an actual human? Have you seen how attached they get to cartoon characters? They can't even make a clear emotional disconnection between Spongebob Squarepants and real people.

      That's simply not how child, or adult psychology for that matter, works. The human brain is wired to see human characteristics in things, and to react to them as if they have some sentience.

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    2. Re:Wasting good manners on help... by mi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Have you seen how attached they get to cartoon characters?

      No, actually, I haven't. Plush toys — yes, but not the characters on the other side of the TV glass...

      clear emotional disconnection between Spongebob Squarepants and real people.

      Cartoon characters are (portrayed as) sentient too — unlike Echo (or Roomba). If the kid is polite to a plush toy, that's nice. But if he is not — that's Ok too, as long as he is nice to humans (and pets).

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    3. Re:Wasting good manners on help... by gweihir · · Score: 2

      I disagree. I think most kids do exactly understand the difference between a fictional character, a pet, a computer program and another human being. Sure, kids may love and respect a pet very much, but they will still know it is a pet and different in its capabilities from a human and needs to be treated differently. They may get attached to a cartoon character or other fantasy entity, but they will still know what it is and treat it as what it is. As to a computer program, unless tricked very cleverly, they will understand that it is a machine and they will treat it as such.

      That many adults do not respect fantasies or pets does not mean that children, who may valuate them differently, do not understand their nature. This whole thing is a typical overblown fear of clueless parents. They should instead be glad that their child has found some toy to pour part of its energies into.

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  5. Say it with me: "magic circle effect" by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This box will no more teach kids to be rude to real humans than videogames taught them to be violent to real humans.

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  6. Perfect product idea by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Funny

    I call it the "Are we there yet machine". You place it next to your kid and it answers the same dumb question over and over again until the kid gets bored. It will save the parents everywhere.

  7. Alexa is not the parent, you are by CanadianRealist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "One of the responsibilities of parents is to teach your kids social graces,"

    ... so I'm expecting Amazon to do that for me.

  8. No, you teach you child it is a device by Harlequin80 · · Score: 2

    and that you treat humans differently to a device. I have two small kids, I do not expect them to treat inanimate objects the same way as humans no matter how "intelligent" the inanimate object may appear.

    I think it would be a far worse idea to educate your child that a system, which should otherwise produce the same results on the same input, will randomly throw in unexpected results for no reason. We need to educate people to think that computers and other advanced systems only do what someone asked it to do, if the output isn't what you expected it doesn't mean the device is doing it to you, it means somewhere along the line the input or calculation method was wrong. The last thing we want is to teach kids these things are as irrational as people.

  9. And yet by Vermonter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I never see anyone, even the oldest of people, put "please" in a Google search... maybe people understand the difference between talking to a computer and talking to a human more than you give them credit for.

    1. Re:And yet by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I personally find the people who insist on being told "Please" to any request to be the most insufferably rude.

      Grow up, millennial!

    2. Re:And yet by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      If you want something from me, you play by my rules.

      If I want something from you, we can use yours and I won't say "please", I promise!

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  10. Re:Q Who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    No you don't and we prefer to be called servers or wait staff

  11. Siri has some manners by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Siri can be a sarcastic bitch at times, but when I once got pissed off at its inability to understand then I started swearing and it responded saying "there's no need for that." I was a bit taken aback and had a slight version of that little pang you get when you've realized you've upset someone or you blew up unnecessarily. Quite interesting, I'd like to see a bit more research into people's emotional response to technology. If people can emotionally respond to a robotic dog in a similar way to how they respond to a real dog then there might be some merit in making machines more emotionally intelligent.

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  12. The Echofluenza Defense by dstyle5 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Coming in 10 years.

    Defense lawyer: "Your honor, the Amazon Echo device did not tell little Johnny right from wrong, teach him respect for human life, henceforth he murdered those 12 people because of Amazon..."

    Judge: "I find Johnny not guilty, by reason of Echofluenza... Case dismissed! Siri, what is next on the docket?"

  13. we don't take no shit from a machine by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

    We shouldn't anthropomorphize our software applications. There is no need to treat them with the same respect as you treat a human being. And it's pretty vital that everyone, kids and adults alike, know the difference between machines and people.

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  14. Re:Q Who by peragrin · · Score: 2

    You don't say p!ease and thank you to your mother?

    How Rude!

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  15. Alexa Actually Has Manners... Sort Of by lys1123 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, just yesterday my daughter said "Alexa, Thank you" to our Amazon Echo. Alexa replied, "no problem." which made my daughter smile.

  16. Parents have enough real issues to worry about by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I found a book in the free bin at Powell's technical book store (back when it was a separate location) called _The Second Self: Computers and the Human Spirit_, by Sherry Turkle. One of the most interesting things she wrote about was children's relationship with new technology. When given a speak and spell, one of the first things kids tried to do was "break" it; to get it to stop saying things mid-sentence. She likened it to kids pulling the legs off of a bug: something sociopathic that kids do to things that are perceived as being "things" rather than "people". If they were unsuccessful at the task using software, they would go so far as to remove the batteries, just to show mastery over the device.

    This book was written in 1984. Stop worrying about stupid shit your kids do, they know people are people and machines are machines probably better than we do. They'll grow out of this. Worry about them growing up to be convicted rapists and what you're going to tell the judge to sweet talk him out of sending your kid to big boy jail.

    https://www.amazon.com/Second-...

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  17. Re:Q Who by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2

    We don't normally say please and thank you to the food dispensers

    "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."

    Dispenser sighs. "Yes, I know, Captain Picard. You ALWAYS order your tea Earl Grey and hot".

  18. Re:Q Who by kimvette · · Score: 2

    At least he gets his Earl Grey tea, and not a substance that is almost but not entirely unlike tea. :D

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