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Legacy Yahoo Messenger App Being Retired (pcmag.com)

Reader Irishman writes: Looks like August 5, 2016 is the last day for people clinging to the old desktop version of Yahoo Messenger. A new version is supposedly in the works but otherwise, it will be the mobile app or the web version. From a PCMag report: According to a new announcement from Yahoo, the company is officially killing off the old version of Messenger for good. You might be able to find it to download from some software archive website, but you won't be able to use it to chat with your friends. Yahoo is also switching up how it archives previous conversations. Any conversation histories you currently have (from using Messenger) are archived in Yahoo Mail, but they'll be going away on August 5 as well. You'll be able to export them to your desktop or laptop if you really need to save whatever it is you have typed to your friends.

61 comments

  1. This kills YM completely! by LordHighExecutioner · · Score: 1

    The web version they silently deployed some time ago is total crap, now YM is definitely dead.

    1. Re:This kills YM completely! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      who cares?

    2. Re:This kills YM completely! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a client who uses this for business use. Why the hell does someone use this for business use? May as well use AIM or any other service.

    3. Re:This kills YM completely! by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

      YM is definitely dead

      Did Netcraft confirm this?

    4. Re:This kills YM completely! by lucm · · Score: 2

      Anything but "Skype for business" - which is probably one of the causes of the spectular growth of Slack.

      You would think that chat is a solved problem by now. Even Sametime in Lotus Notes is okay. But Skype... plain terrible. It's as if they wanted to cater to the kewl crowd by giving it a texting look & feel, but it just sucks.

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    5. Re:This kills YM completely! by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You would think that chat is a solved problem by now.

      It is solved. The problem is that the solution turned out to be Facebook Messenger.

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    6. Re: This kills YM completely! by WarJolt · · Score: 2

      It's kinda nice that no one users YM to be social. Makes it easier to tell if an employee is just slacking off. I think slack is a much better option for businesses though.

    7. Re:This kills YM completely! by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Yes. Also slashdotting is back...maybe...netcraft confirmed that too.

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    8. Re:This kills YM completely! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Pidgin still works fine. I just checked and my account is still connected. Do I lose my pidgin connection soon? I have 0 buddies on yahoo so I do not really care. I just use it to keep the old screen name active.

    9. Re:This kills YM completely! by war4peace · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wow. Just wow.
      I have over 500 contacts in my Y!M list, out of which I am usually chatting with about 30 of them.
      Yahoo Web messenger is horrible. Generally speaking, any messenger that loads in a browser window is horrible.
      I'm wondering what are the alternatives...

      Facebook is a total no-go. Whatsapp requires a valid phone number, many people I know don't want to provide their phone number just for a chat service. Google Talk would be the best alternative I can think of.

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    10. Re:This kills YM completely! by gmack · · Score: 3, Informative

      Google talk has a decent phone based chat but their desktop software is web based and annoying. There are some plugins for Pidgin but they don't work as well as the official software.

    11. Re:This kills YM completely! by kelemvor4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Anything but "Skype for business" - which is probably one of the causes of the spectular growth of Slack.

      You would think that chat is a solved problem by now. Even Sametime in Lotus Notes is okay. But Skype... plain terrible. It's as if they wanted to cater to the kewl crowd by giving it a texting look & feel, but it just sucks.

      Gonna have to disagree with you there. Sametime is hands down the worst chat system I've ever used. We have used it for years at my office. Everyone's taken to calling it sometime because sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Yahoo messenger isn't great but at least it usually works.

    12. Re:This kills YM completely! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. Just wow.
      I have over 500 contacts in my Y!M list, out of which I am usually chatting with about 30 of them.
      Yahoo Web messenger is horrible. Generally speaking, any messenger that loads in a browser window is horrible.
      I'm wondering what are the alternatives...

      You don't use pidgin?

    13. Re:This kills YM completely! by JustOK · · Score: 1

      you must be new here.

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    14. Re:This kills YM completely! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make a jabber account.
      There are plenty of clients which are capable of using the jabber protocol and it's not controlled by any single entity or corporation.
      Your account name is in the form of an email address and there are good clients for your phone as well.

    15. Re:This kills YM completely! by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      As I'm sure you're aware, there are blatant privacy issues with fb messenger. You really shouldn't use it at all, especially not for business or anything remotely sensitive.

      A separate, dedicated chat service offers better privacy. They can be more secure when used with third party clients, and the fact it's separated from the browser means it doesn't track your history or associate your chat with an online dossier like facebook. Obviously this is the reason yahoo is pulling the plug on the desktop client but keeping the service alive through the browser and mobile client: The latter two leak data like sieves.

      Also, its competitors (skype and google), insist on chat windows that waste screen real estate and mimic sms clients. They're terrible.

      For the moment, what's left that's sane is AIM/ICQ and IRC. Too bad.

    16. Re:This kills YM completely! by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      As I'm sure you're aware, there are blatant privacy issues with fb messenger.

      Not that I really care, since I'm not on FB, but who gives a shit? Name one piece of software or platform that sees widespread, gen pop use that doesn't have some sort of privacy or security issue. I'll wait.

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    17. Re:This kills YM completely! by lucm · · Score: 2

      Name one piece of software or platform that sees widespread, gen pop use that doesn't have some sort of privacy or security issue.

      Windows 10!

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  2. Shock by drdread66 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When the human body goes into shock from blood loss, the first reaction is to shut off blood flow to the extremities so there is enough blood left to keep the brain and core going. I see this announcement as analogous for Yahoo, except it's "cash shock" at work.

    1. Re:Shock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, actually, no, fuck it, every time I have actually thought that over I still cannot grasp why that is even a feature of biology.

      What possible use is there to cutting off blood to the extremities entirely when, say, I dunno, your arm was ripped off by a croc or something?
      Oh no, suddenly I can't run for the life of me, croc gon' eat me now.

      Even in the event that someone else found you, you are still going to bleed horribly anyway, and given it is likely in a wilderness survival situation, likely get infected and die anyway. Or both you and the people saving you likely to inflict pretty bad injury on themselves as well.
      And even without those events happening, you are still horribly gimped and back then, were probably unattractive to potential mates.
      How the FUCK did that even evolve?
      Why aren't there muscles at major arterial branches to cut blood off only to affected areas of the body?
      Holy hell our biology is so awful. Fuck nature. /rant

    2. Re:Shock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blood loss shock is when your brain is critically low on things it needs. At that point, you're not going to be an effective fighter. Best keep blood to your major organs and let the animal eat your arms. With luck someone will come by and nurse you back to health. If your organs are dead that's not possible. When you're too far gone to help yourself, what else should you do?

      People pass out when donating blood because they don't have their flight or fight response triggered. They don't have the stimulates pumping through their body keeping them alert.

      Some animals do have detachable limbs and can regrow. Others play dead. The fainting shock is probably closer to the playing dead part of the evolutionary tree.

  3. Well then.. by Virtucon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Back to ICQ I guess.

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    1. Re:Well then.. by allo · · Score: 2

      Back?

    2. Re:Well then.. by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 0


      Back my ass. Leaving is for quitters and I aint no quitter you insensitive clod!

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  4. yet another nail in the coffin by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

    for Trillian and Pidgin.

    I used to be invested in MSN chat... then that went away.

    Now I just have Google, Yahoo!, AOL and FB in my Trillian client.

    I fully expect FB to go next, followed by Google. AOL doesn't have enough market share to be a bully so I am guessing that will be my new primary chat network (until they go under or get bought out).

    One at a time, I will be dropping off chat networks. There is no way I am being railroaded into bloatware chat apps though.

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    1. Re:yet another nail in the coffin by CrashNBrn · · Score: 2

      AOL doesn't have enough market share to be a bully so I am guessing that will be my new primary chat network (until they go under or get bought out

      Verizon already acquired AOL.

    2. Re:yet another nail in the coffin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot about IRC.

    3. Re:yet another nail in the coffin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't had Trillian installed in half a decade now as nearly everyone I regularly talked with had gotten onto Facebook anyway.

    4. Re:yet another nail in the coffin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the best bet.

  5. And every messenger wants a mobile number by allo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Logged in to icq.com to change my icq password and suddenly it reported a compromised account (i guess because it never saw the ip before) and required me to add a mobile number to the account. If i were an attacker, i now not only had the old password (and can change it to a new one), but would even have added my number as recovery option. So i guess security isn't the issue here, they want to collect phone numbers.
    And without adding it, i can login with a client, but sending a message returns, that the account is locked.

    Thankfully it was only an old account i never used much and not my primary one.

    1. Re:And every messenger wants a mobile number by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is what my Google Voice Number is for. And why I have a few of them.

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    2. Re:And every messenger wants a mobile number by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden

  6. Yahoo is a big deal in commodities trading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I work in physical commodities trading. Think cargoes of fuel, grain, derivatives, etc. 90% of my deals are closed via Yahoo, either directly with counterparties or via brokers. Brokers "flash" obscure quotes for things such as Eurobob/WTI spreads, ethanol, calendar spread swaps, truckloads of X ready to go to Y, etc. Not sure if there are any profesions who rely on Yahoo as much as mine. (Incidentally, a lot of guys in other markets use AOL, mostly natural gas).

    1. Re:Yahoo is a big deal in commodities trading by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I work in physical commodities trading. Think cargoes of fuel, grain, derivatives, etc. 90% of my deals are closed via Yahoo, either directly with counterparties or via brokers. Brokers "flash" obscure quotes for things such as Eurobob/WTI spreads, ethanol, calendar spread swaps, truckloads of X ready to go to Y, etc. Not sure if there are any profesions who rely on Yahoo as much as mine. (Incidentally, a lot of guys in other markets use AOL, mostly natural gas).

      You are saying that a significant part of our core economic infrastructure depends on AOL and Yahoo?

      I'm leaving.....

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    2. Re:Yahoo is a big deal in commodities trading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shame that the most useless part of Yahoo is going strong, then.

      Do some real work. Die knowing you benefitted the world.

    3. Re:Yahoo is a big deal in commodities trading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's too bad that Yahoo did not seize the opportunity to collect revenues on this fact.

      Many traders at larger firms have been pushed to migrate over to other chat clients because of the lack of logging available in new YM versions. I think many traders/banks would have paid subscriptions prices to maintain the old version that complied with audit requirements and allowed users to resume doing business the same way they have been for the last 15+ years.

    4. Re:Yahoo is a big deal in commodities trading by ADRA · · Score: 1

      100% true. Yahoo and AOL for sure. In the end, one will use whatever technology stack necessary to make themselves rich.

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    5. Re:Yahoo is a big deal in commodities trading by The-Ixian · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I recall doing some work for a commodities trader at one point (about 10 years ago).

      He was using Yahoo! and AOL messenger and needed a way to record all conversations that he and his staff were having while using these platforms.

      I remember setting up a Jabber server as a proxy and did all the logging at the server level.

      Anyway, it is interesting to hear your comment. Thanks for sharing.

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    6. Re:Yahoo is a big deal in commodities trading by fsagx · · Score: 1

      Do you know why that is the case? (I don't know. Just curious.) Yahoo finance used to have some interesting features and seemed ahead of its time for a free service. Was the messenger adoption in your industry a draft effect from this?

    7. Re:Yahoo is a big deal in commodities trading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It'll never replace talking to people in person.

      -- Melissa Mayer

    8. Re:Yahoo is a big deal in commodities trading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A large part was due to that it was one of just a few major messaging players at that point. Yahoo was also considered quite the heavyweight, 18 years ago, so it seemed like safe service to bet on, for the future (obviously hindsight begs to differ). And as you mention, there were a suite of finance-related toolsets that made it attractive as well. AIM was also used too, but a core commodities-oriented community definitely struck a chord with YM.

      These accounts, also, are tied to people's accounts (versus a corporate account) so it'd really part of a trader or technicians identity - when you leave one shop, you take your YM handle with you to your next job. So, these are really decades old connections people have developed on this network, tough habit to break from.

      There was a decent article out on this, in BusinessWeek, a couple weeks ago - that probably paint this picture more clearly than I can. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-01/oil-traders-may-be-the-only-people-who-want-yahoo-to-thrive

    9. Re:Yahoo is a big deal in commodities trading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're looking for a custom solution, perhaps a small private IRC network (or just single server depending on number of users and locations) with authenticated clients (issued x509 certs) would work better for you.

      Otherwise, you're stuck with SaaS solutions that are here today, gone tomorrow and have questionable security.

  7. You might as well do 3-way with the US Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you use any major corporation's chat app. It's the best kept secret in the world that Skype cybersex videos leak out everywhere. Every single call on Skype and the rest are captured and stored until deletion.

    Ed Snowden's conscience call pissed off the US government especially the spy agencies.

    Everybody should be using encryption on everything, and much of the new stuff is compromised. This is the last secure version of Tails. Infiltration/lies is how subterfuge happens. All new versions of Tails are garbage.

    Download the impossible-to-find-now ISO here, it's SHA and sig match the original distribution.

    On Tor
    http://lsuzvpko6w6hzpnn.onion/tails-1-4-1-i386-iso-multilang-tntvillage-t10922671.html

    On Clearnet
    https://kat.cr/tails-1-4-1-i386-iso-multilang-tntvillage-t10922671.html

  8. Re: You might as well do 3-way with the US Governm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You say what to download, and where to download it, what you don't say is why you think the rest of tails is compromised. Citation please.

  9. Ya... Who? by drew_92123 · · Score: 1

    Are you telling me that those losers are actually still around? Talk about some epic strugglers... Yahoo has been trying to claw their way out of a grave(which they dug themselves) for nearly as long as they've been around.

    I wish they would stop fighting it and just die already... it's embarrassing seeing this once proud company fighting death like this... struggling for every last breath... kind of like AOL... poor bastards.

    1. Re:Ya... Who? by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      Yahell 3 minute asshole game-players and chatrooms full of porn bots then instant messages from pornbots too. i uninstalled yahell messenger oh about 8 years ago. they had so many people abusing other people in the chat rooms with booters and harassment and not a peep from yahell other then click ignore.....

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  10. Re:Trump 2016 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But tell me why I shouldn't vote for her.

  11. ya-who? by swschrad · · Score: 1

    (says it all)

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  12. Reasons... by codeButcher · · Score: 2

    I guess this app needs to be killed because it doesn't harvest the user's phonebook and telephone number (among other things).

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  13. Kickstarter by justthinkit · · Score: 0

    Why don't you start a Kickstarter campaign to keep your old screen name active?

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  14. Re: Trump 2016 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you two trolls having fun?

  15. hillary 2016! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't wait until millions of Mexicans replace you and your family's jobs

    hillary 2016!

  16. honestly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It probably costs about $200.00 in bandwidth a month to run yahoo messenger. The program aint exactly a cash cow to run.

    Yahoo - the most anti-social company in the world. While facebook brings millions into their messenger, yahoo kills theirs.

    Just that spoiled cunt Marissa Mayer putting 1 last dagger into whatever life was left in that stiff of of a company

  17. Related XKCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  18. Hidden in the FAQ is the real reason: Die, Pidgin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Q: Can I use Yahoo Messenger with 3rd party messaging apps?
    A: No. The new version of Yahoo Messenger doesn't work with 3rd party clients, like Trillian and Pidgin.

    The entire reason for them shutting this down is to cut off 3rd-party chat apps so you're forced to use their solution, including any embedded ads and backdoors they implement. Pidgin and Trillian both support out-of-band encryption and security plugins so you can hide the content of your chats entirely, but this new platform entirely blocks that now.

    So basically this is Yahoo forcing you to let them see all your chats, AND their ads, in effect the bean-counters said: "Make this stop hemorrhaging money!" and the only way to do that is to prevent any form of freeloading, and as a side-effect all secondary security is unavailable as well now too.

    - WolfWings, too lazy forever to login to /., but seriously loving the improvements. Feels like old times again!

  19. Re: Trump 2016 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because she is evil, sinister and nefarious (not necessarily in that order).

    Vote Trump or don't vote.

    but I am also evil, sinister and nefarious YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD!

  20. Seriously though... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What *are* viable alternatives for text-oriented desktop messenger clients? All I'm aware of are Skype, Facebook and Google. One nice feature about Yahoo most others don't have, your contacts didn't automatically get all your personal information just by adding you to their contact list, and you didn't need to provide a phone number to sign up.
    This was the reason there still were a few Yahoo holdouts left, what's left?

  21. 3rd Party Clients? by antdude · · Score: 1

    I assume they will still work with the same servers?

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