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Older Android Wear Watches Will Miss Out On the v2.0 Update (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Google hasn't officially made any announcements about what watch hardware will receive the Android Wear 2.0 update when it's released later this year, but it looks like at least a few of the first-generation watches will be missing out. LG says it has no plans to update the original LG G Watch, and now Motorola says it plans to drop support for the original Moto 360. Given Samsung's disinterest in continuing on with new Android Wear hardware, the future doesn't look rosy for the Samsung Gear Live, either. This news comes just two years after Android Wear and many of these watches were originally introduced.

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  1. Already retro after 2yrs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This just means it'll be a museum piece in about 3 more years, right?

    1. Re:Already retro after 2yrs by tripleevenfall · · Score: 2

      #fragmentation

  2. Oh no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh no! This is awful! So all of those unused Android watches sitting in drawers or other forgotten-about places won't get updates?! This is so awful! The owners just might possibly notice this, but probably never will!

    1. Re:Oh no! by Reisrdok · · Score: 2

      LG G R on my wrist right now, where it has been since last summer. I only take it off for charging once a week.

      Thanks lg. BR, ex-customer.

    2. Re:Oh no! by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Thanks lg. BR, ex-customer.

      You realize the G watch R *is* on the list to get the update, right?

    3. Re:Oh no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, I do laugh at all of the ridiculously priced smartwatches. I just bought myself a DZ09 platform smartwatch for less than $10. It does pretty much everything that an expensive smartwatch can do, with the bonus that it can either be paired to my phone or accept a SIM directly and operate as a phone independently. It also has a built in camera, which is not great quality, but it's still a camera which most of the expensive smartwatches don't even have.

      I'm not sure if it will be something I use a lot, but for less than $10, it was worth the buy as at least a neat toy to play with.

    4. Re:Oh no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..I did not.

      Well, I got lucky this time then. Better beware, life has a tendency to even out these things. Probably get hit by a meteorite around next corner or something.

  3. Planned obsolescence by Calydor · · Score: 2

    It's starting to seem like these things are falling into the same trap of normal computer hardware, but for different reasons.

    It used to be that people could hem and haw about updating their computers since they would be obsolete practically before you were done setting them up. Hardware advanced, newer and shinier things came along. However, at least you would get OS updates, security updates, it would run all the things except maybe not quite as flashy after a while.

    This is ... something different. I don't buy an overpriced watch with the expectation of buying a new one two years later because, umm ... because hackers can take control of it, apparently. That is just ridiculous.

    The logical conclusion would be to wait, and wait, and essentially wait until the heat death of the universe because the stuff you buy is planned to die long before it is supposed to PHYSICALLY die.

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    1. Re:Planned obsolescence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assume that the stuff you buy will work as it does when you purchase it. Don't buy based on hand-waving and promises of future awesomeness.

    2. Re:Planned obsolescence by edittard · · Score: 2

      That's great in theory, but you have to move to stay still.

      How do you expect something you buy in 2016 to be patched against 2018 malware?

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    3. Re:Planned obsolescence by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      Well, if it's an android device you simply don't expect updates beyond a year or two.

    4. Re:Planned obsolescence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, I get updates for all of my Android devices, just not from the manufacturer.

      CyanogenMod and xda devs have most devices covered.

  4. disaster by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    I am sure the entire userbase which consists of Google employees who who were given them and then put in their drawer at home will be disappointed.

    1. Re:disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      0/10 not even trying

    2. Re:disaster by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      You got that right! Maybe with version 10 they will make something useful.

  5. Great for early adopters by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

    I am a little disappointed as to date, Android wear has been cheap, regularly updated.

    Neither watches mentioned are a surprised the 360 dragged through more hardware updaters than it could cope and the lg g a bottom end watch, I would have rather have seen make it to the next generation.

    This is Google's (partners)first misstep in this underrated market. They should have dragged both of these watches through another (optional) upgrade cycle.

  6. And they wonder why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is why smart phone and smart watch sales are tanking. People are tired of perfectly good hardware being obsoleted just because manufacturers are too lazy to support them.

    1. Re:And they wonder why by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      This is why smart phone and smart watch sales are tanking. People are tired of perfectly good hardware being obsoleted just because manufacturers are too lazy to support them.

      Sigh. What about a new software update makes the existing software update obsolete. No, the problem is peoples' mindset that if the OS version on your device hasn't changed recently the hardware needs to go in the garbage.

    2. Re:And they wonder why by faedle · · Score: 1

      If it was only that simple. The real problem comes when you have an integrated device like a smartwatch that needs, say, a phone to effectively operate. You may not be able to run the same software you had two years ago: the OS on your phone may require you to run a particular version of, say, the "Phone" app that's been pushed to your device by the carrier and now your watch doesn't vibrate when you get a call.

      So, the complaint that this bullshit needs to stop is valid. People aren't going to spend $200 on a watch very often to have it not work, and eventually some form of software rot will make it "not work" because it will require legacy applications to support the watch that aren't available or can't run.

      For the record, Samsung's support of the Gear Live has been outright atrocious, so I'm not surprised that my Gear Live will be facing a time very soon where I have to replace it, not because the hardware is broken but because it has simply been stated obsolete. Fuck that, I'll go back to wearing a $10 Casio.

    3. Re:And they wonder why by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      If it was only that simple. The real problem comes when you have an integrated device like a smartwatch that needs, say, a phone to effectively operate. You may not be able to run the same software you had two years ago: the OS on your phone may require you to run a particular version of, say, the "Phone" app that's been pushed to your device by the carrier and now your watch doesn't vibrate when you get a call.

      You know what else would be terrible? If Google decided to push pr0n to my watch when it detected my kids near to me. Terrible. Just terrible. It has to stop.

      You can imagine all sorts of bad shit that could happen, but it hasn't. So let's complain about it when it does instead of making stuff up. Backwards compatible interfaces is not a new or crazy concept. You leave the old code in place, running to support old clients. You write new services for new clients. It's done all the time.

      It's also done all the time wrong, or not at all. But I'm not going to raise my hackles at the prospect that it might happen. I'm not that bored, yet.

      Fuck that, I'll go back to wearing a $10 Casio.

      If you were using a smart watch as only, or primarily a watch, indeed, fuck that you should go back to a Casio. Additionally, if you are driving around in your $50,000 card at 15MPH, fuck that also, get a bicycle.

  7. Back in my days... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in my days watches were designed in such a way that they didn't need upgrading.

    1. Re:Back in my days... by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Back in your day, people didn't need to do that much maintenance on their transportation because a horse and wagon doesn't need much, just a well-fed horse and maybe a little axle grease on the wagon wheels. Horse-drawn wagons also couldn't do most of the stuff a modern car or truck can, like drive at 75+mph safely, accelerate and brake quickly, work all day long on easily-available gasoline instead of needing to stop every so often for your horse to much grass and rest, blow cold or warm air on you as you travel, play music for you, etc.

      Obviously, a watch that does nothing but tell you the time isn't going to have the maintenance needs that a networked microcomputer in a watch case has. As soon as you have a general-purpose computer running software and connected to a network, it needs to be regularly updated to avoid network-based attacks, and also possibly to stay compatible with other devices it communicates to.

    2. Re:Back in my days... by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      Back in your day, people didn't need to do that much maintenance on their transportation because a horse and wagon doesn't need much, just a well-fed horse and maybe a little axle grease on the wagon wheels. Horse-drawn wagons also couldn't do most of the stuff a modern car or truck can, like drive at 75+mph safely, accelerate and brake quickly, work all day long on easily-available gasoline instead of needing to stop every so often for your horse to much grass and rest, blow cold or warm air on you as you travel, play music for you, etc.

      Obviously, a watch that does nothing but tell you the time isn't going to have the maintenance needs that a networked microcomputer in a watch case has. As soon as you have a general-purpose computer running software and connected to a network, it needs to be regularly updated to avoid network-based attacks, and also possibly to stay compatible with other devices it communicates to.

      And your reply still does not give a good reason why a watch needs to be a networked microcomputer... I don't see a reason to work things like that off my watch...

    3. Re:Back in my days... by JackieBrown · · Score: 2

      Then it sounds like you probably wouldn't be a target for this product.

      That said, I was someone that thought I'd never want to use a phone to browser the web or do anything but text and call. I was wrong. I was correct on how much I love my smart watch. Marshmallow made my 360 run like a champ. I wish it was getting upgraded because new faces and apps will be targeted for the update, but still, I am satisfied with my purchase and new this day would come (but I bought it after the second generation watch had already been out so I knew going in it was going to be eventually obsolete.)

      Hopefully, the original moto 360's will drop in price again :)

    4. Re:Back in my days... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      To provide a contrasting point, I never thought I would want a pocket-PC to make and receive telephone calls.

      I still don't, but I have one I can live with in case the few people who deserve to be able to contact me decide to try to.

    5. Re:Back in my days... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in your day, people didn't need to do that much maintenance on their transportation because a horse and wagon doesn't need much, just a well-fed horse and maybe a little axle grease on the wagon wheels.

      Wow, you know nothing about taking care of horses, or the problems that Wainwrights had.

      If anything, it was more work.

      Of course, a similar argument could be made about watches. They used to need quite a lot of maintenance.

  8. Once again, RMS was right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why "open source" is not enough. Software freedom is more than just being able to read some source code.
    This wouldn't be a problem if the OS running on these devices weren't Tivo-ized.

  9. My Seiko Has 20 Years Uptime by zenlessyank · · Score: 4, Funny

    Never been patched!!!!

    1. Re:My Seiko Has 20 Years Uptime by Jaime2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The crown fell off my Seiko 15 years after I bought it. They paid for shipping both ways to/from Japan and fixed it - at no charge to me.

    2. Re:My Seiko Has 20 Years Uptime by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

      Free DLC for the win!

    3. Re:My Seiko Has 20 Years Uptime by Scutter · · Score: 2

      A watch and a smart watch are two completely different things that serve different roles. While a smartwatch does tell time, that's generally not why people buy them. It's hardly fair to compare the two and then hold up the traditional watch as being superior simply because it never needs software updates.

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    4. Re:My Seiko Has 20 Years Uptime by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

      Are you that Captain Obvious guy from those commercials?

    5. Re:My Seiko Has 20 Years Uptime by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      While a smartwatch does tell time, that's generally not why people buy them. It's hardly fair to compare the two and then hold up the traditional watch as being superior simply because it never needs software updates.

      And could you tell me what purposes of a smart watch are??? If you are talking about health (e.g. pulse, walking steps, etch.), then it is just an approximate measurement; however, the way they (sellers) advertise is the opposite (as if it is a reliable measurement device). Scheduling? That can come in any form and does not need to be a watch. Telling time? That is what a watch does...

    6. Re:My Seiko Has 20 Years Uptime by green1 · · Score: 1

      My Seiko doesn't work, and Seiko charged me an arm and a leg for a "guaranteed" fix that only lasted a month, they now refuse to do anything about it or to refund the money I paid for the guaranteed fix...

      My Huawei watch on the other hand works great!

    7. Re:My Seiko Has 20 Years Uptime by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      The crown fell off my Seiko 15 years after I bought it. They paid for shipping both ways to/from Japan and fixed it - at no charge to me.

      Your Seiko wristwatch has as much in common w/ a smart watch as that calculator has with a computer. I'm sure that Seiko makes you feel superior though huh? All of us idiots buying smart watches ...

    8. Re: My Seiko Has 20 Years Uptime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention, exactly none people have gotten fit from the functionality on a smart watch.

    9. Re:My Seiko Has 20 Years Uptime by Minupla · · Score: 1

      It vibrates my wrist when I need to head to my next meeting and lets me tell at a glance when my boss has emailed me, and how many !!!!s are in the subject line. Sadly I doubt a non-smart watch can perform those duties.

      Min

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    10. Re:My Seiko Has 20 Years Uptime by Jaime2 · · Score: 1

      Smart watch vendors want the customers of regular watch vendors. Many of those customers won't convert unless they feel like they're not severely downgrading the service they get. I don't feel smug, I'm simply adding my anecdote to the conversation. Your attempt to read my mind was unsuccessful.

  10. And nobody noticed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kind of like the sound of one hand clapping.

  11. Disinterested != !(Interested) by Flymo2 · · Score: 1

    ~/pedant

  12. Quick replacement cycle will drive down prices by zerofoo · · Score: 2

    I've got a Moto 360 (1st gen), a Samsung Gear S2, and a Samsung Gear Fit. All were bought as refurbs at a significant discount.

    The only watch I paid full MSRP for was my wife's Apple watch.

    Apple's reputation of long-term support of its hardware was the only reason I felt comfortable paying full price. The A.D.D. that exists in the Google/Samsung world means that I will only buy these devices as refurbs - and I won't spend more than $100. I refuse to pay full price for a device that will be obsolete in less than two years.

    If these manufacturers want higher margins, they will need to commit to long-term support for these devices.

    1. Re:Quick replacement cycle will drive down prices by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Why would you pay anything for a device that would be obsolete in 2 years? The mind boggles.

    2. Re:Quick replacement cycle will drive down prices by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Apple's reputation of long-term support of its hardware was the only reason I felt comfortable paying full price.

      Was that meant to be tongue-in-cheek?

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    3. Re:Quick replacement cycle will drive down prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Your mind must be easily boggled. I can view a notification on a watch to see if it needs my immediate attention without pulling out my phone. If it saves just an hour a month it provides a great ROI.

    4. Re:Quick replacement cycle will drive down prices by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Wow! Thats amazing. A notification? I was talking about paying money for a device that will be obsolete in 2 years. That is stupid.

    5. Re:Quick replacement cycle will drive down prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! Thats amazing. A notification? I was talking about paying money for a device that will be obsolete in 2 years. That is stupid.

      It will still work without 2.0, you know. But even if it burst into flame after two years, you still got to use it for two years. A 12-month Spotify subscription is not worthless even though you end up with nothing at the end of the year.

      Also, If notifications save you one single minute per day fishing around for your phone, that's 6 hours a year. 12 hours for the two years.

      Now multiply how much an hour of your time is worth by 12.

  13. Thank You for Participating in the Pubic Beta by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Please insert another $400 to continue.

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  14. You know we laugh at you old watch wearers? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    I mean, seriously, watches are so last century and "tethered" synced watches are so last decade.

    Wake me when your jacket wirelessly powers itself and the sleeve displays stuff like this.

    The tech is already here, and if you don't have it, you're just a n00b.

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  15. Age discrimination? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

    How come only the older wearers don't get updates?

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  16. That's what you get. by Chas · · Score: 1

    For jumping up and paying to beta-test zeroeth-gen equipment...

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  17. First Gen 360 bought on sale. I don't need update. by waldozer · · Score: 2

    I don't need any software updates. Mine works fine as is. Don't need some new battery draining feature. I still get a compliment on it once every couple of months. Mostly used for telling time, then see who email or text is from, pull out phone if it's not junk.

  18. My Casio G-shock by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

    is still going strong after 6 years. It has two alarms, two time zones, stopwatch, atomic clock sync and recharged by light. Basically everything I have or will need in a watch.

    1. Re:My Casio G-shock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The only drawback is that you will remain a virgin forever.

    2. Re:My Casio G-shock by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      is still going strong after 6 years. It has two alarms, two time zones, stopwatch, atomic clock sync and recharged by light. Basically everything I have or will need in a watch.

      Your G-Shock has as much in common w/ a smart watch as a calculator has with a computer. You'd look pretty foolish explaining to folks how superior you were for saving money on a computer since you do just fine w/ your old trusty calculator. Makes you think doesn't it?

  19. A message to early adopters by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    [middle finger emoji] (slashdot is unable to display unicode)

    Really, it seems many first versions of devices lose support rather quickly. My guess it that businesses don't find early adopters to be all that important, or perhaps the early adopters themselves are the problem and cease using devices after a while because they've jumped onto the next big thing.

    P.S. - I'm not an early adopter type, I still use a PalmOS-based device on a regular basis.

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  20. Android haters bitching about fragmentation... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Meet the Apple haters in the adjacent thread bitching about how the "walled garden" prevents them from sideloading dubious apps that spread viruses and ransomware.

  21. 8 year old Macs are still going by zerofoo · · Score: 1

    We have 8 year old Macs running El Capitan and I know people running ios 9.1 on iPhone 4s.

    That's as good as you can expect in the tech world.

    1. Re:8 year old Macs are still going by DogDude · · Score: 1

      El Capitan was released in 2015. So so far, it's been supported for 9 months. That's certainly "not as good as you can expect". Microsoft supported windows XP for more than 12 years.

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  22. AsteroidOS by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

    When these LG things go cheap on ebay, I might consider one on which to load Asteroid OS