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Android Ransomware Hits Smart TVs (trendmicro.com)

Reader Trailrunner7 writes: Security researchers have discovered a variant of the FLocker Android ransomware that not only infects mobile devices, but also can infect smart TVs running certain versions of the operating system. FLocker ransomware has been active for more than a year now, and it is many ways a typical piece of mobile ransomware. It is designed to scare victims into paying a ransom -- $200 in this case -- by locking the infected device and throwing up a screen that accuses the victim of some fictitious crime. The ransomware doesn't appear to encrypt files on an infected device, but it locks the screen so the user can't open any other apps or take any other actions until paying the ransom.

Researchers at Trend Micro said they have seen various versions of FLocker over the last year and the activity level of the ransomware has varied. The newest version of the malware, however, includes the ability to infect art TVs, many of which run Android.

112 comments

  1. Why can't someone hack the cable box & free hb by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why can't someone hack the cable box & unlock free hbo? holding the cable co / hbo and get a nice ransom from them?

  2. Manufacture Dream Come True by ninthbit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sorry sir, we no longer support that model (or your warranty doesn't cover software). We can service it for 90% of the cost of a new TV, or recommend some of our newer models.

    1. Re:Manufacture Dream Come True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Anyone who buys anything with "smart" in the name deserves every bad thing that happens to them.

      You need a smart TV like a fish needs a bicycle.

    2. Re:Manufacture Dream Come True by Yvan256 · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Manufacture Dream Come True by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      Does this also apply to art TVs?

    4. Re:Manufacture Dream Come True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Does this also apply to art TVs?

      only in supported seums.

    5. Re:Manufacture Dream Come True by jandersen · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the IoT; what will people pay for being able to control their heating, freezer, oven etc etc again?

  3. another reason to never connect a TV to ethernet by swschrad · · Score: 2

    always have a throwaway box first, like for instance, an antenna switch for rabbit ears or rooftop.

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  4. I'll stick with my 50" monitor by by+(1706743) · · Score: 1

    For local content, an RPi2 works flawlessly ($35). For streaming, a first generation Chromecast works flawlessly ($35). For anything else, a laptop and a long HDMI cable does the trick.

    If my Chromecast gets infected, that would be a bummer but I'd be out $35. If my RPi2 gets infected, I'll wipe it and start over again.

    1. Re: I'll stick with my 50" monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OpenElec on pizero works well, tv remote works over hdmi cec so it works out very cheap. With the built in upnp I watch mine while others stream local files in their own rooms from a hdd on mine. I have lots of spares from tablet usage so it really did work out $5 per tv which may not be incredible but the server being a zero too is a big deal to me.

    2. Re:I'll stick with my 50" monitor by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

      That may be right, and certainly is for 1080p H.264 playback. I think (but can't recall for sure) that it wasn't fast enough to handle 1080p HEVC (H.265) playback, which is how I get most my content these days. That said, an ODROID-C1+ is quite capable, and just as easy to set up as the RPi, and about the same price.

      I actually use my Sony Android TV these days, now that after a few patches it can actually play back the 1080p HEVC content (and 4K content, it was shit at doing this on release).

      Hopefully, very soon, my Pine 64+ will arrive and I can test another device, one that can perhaps do 4K HEVC content...time will tell.

      You're on the money though. If an RPi2 / ODROID C1+ / Pine64+ gets infected, you wipe the memory card, flash it again and are up and running in minutes. If your Smart TV gets infected, you might be waiting weeks on a "return to base" warranty to get it working again.

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    3. Re:I'll stick with my 50" monitor by by+(1706743) · · Score: 1

      Yeah, pretty sure you're right about h265 on the RPi -- it does h264, VC1 and MPEG2 with hardware decode. (I think the RPi2 is fast enough to do MPEG2 in software, not sure though.)

      I have an Odroid C1 (not C1+), but I never got it working as smoothly as I wanted. I think h265 worked, IIRC, but I had problems with audio passthrough, MPEG2 stuttering, and I think some of my BD rips (either h264 or VC1, can't recall) likewise had some jitter. Plus, the HDMI-CEC support never worked for me...though maybe I should dust it off and give it another shot -- haven't played with it in some time. I guess I know what I'm doing tonight... :)

      As a parting aside, I also find it mildly ridiculous that some high end TVs still include built-in audio (see, for instance, Samsung's UN88JS9500FXZA). If you're spending ~$20k on a TV, you'd think you would use your own surround sound receiver+speakers...

  5. Re:Why can't someone hack the cable box & free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why can't someone hack the cable box & unlock free hbo? holding the cable co / hbo and get a nice ransom from them?

    cuz its in crypt.

  6. Unknown Sources by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't all Android devices deny Unknown Sources for App installation by default? Don't Android TVs?

    Seems like this is a non-issue for people who know where the power button is... and know how to use it.

    1. Re:Unknown Sources by hackwrench · · Score: 2

      This exploit puts software on Android systems in such a way that the usual install path doesn't see it. It's as if were the system capable of asking, "Are you new here?" the malware would say. "No, I've been here all along." and the system would be like, "Okay, then... carry on."

    2. Re:Unknown Sources by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Never trust the client."

      They used to teach this in schools. Y'know...schools? They're those things we can't afford anymore.
      The stupid is coming...

    3. Re:Unknown Sources by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      But of course we still have schools, don't be silly. They have just been repurposed. From places where kids learn something to places where kids are being stored for at least a few hours so their parents can get rid of them.

      Like, you know, those summer camps were. Just for the rest of the year.

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    4. Re: Unknown Sources by BlytheBowman · · Score: 1

      Schools ==> sKOolz. Idiocracy is comming....... (look at how kids "mature" into adults now compared to even 40 years ago. ::shudders::)

    5. Re:Unknown Sources by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, it's a hack for a reason. It goes around the OS.

      Non-issue, my ass.

    6. Re: Unknown Sources by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Mature? Take a look at YouTube. Watch a few videos. Tell me that the average person is an "adult" in any other way than what the judge cares about.

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    7. Re:Unknown Sources by meerling · · Score: 1

      The stupid is already here, but they haven't been able to completely shut down the schools yet, though they do keep degrading their quality.

  7. MAKE APPS APPY AGAIN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For too long, LUDDITES have been writing LUDDITE software disguised as apps like this ransomware "app", taking away jobs from hard-working app appers. Vote for Appald Trump, and he will MAKE APPS APPY AGAIN! All LUDDITES will be deported to LUDDITE Mexico, and American companies will be forced to app apps that app other apps!

    Apps!

    1. Re:MAKE APPS APPY AGAIN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YES!

  8. Well here's your problem: Android by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No such thing as ransomware or viruses on iOS or tvOS....

    1. Re:Well here's your problem: Android by meerling · · Score: 1

      First, that's incorrect. Stop falling for old myths that were never true to begin with.
      ijunk has less malware, because there are less of them. The writers of malware want to nail as many potential suckers as they can, so most of them target the big herd. Of course, there is something to be said for targeting the smaller more complacent herd that incorrectly believes it's invulnerable since almost nobody shoots at them.

  9. Wasn't it just last week by H3lldr0p · · Score: 4, Insightful

    where /. was asking why people wanted or avoided "Smart" televisions?

    Consider this exhibit A in the Not column.

  10. ransomeware hit smart TV last year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://blog.newskysecurity.com/2015/08/removing-android-ransomware-from-my-tv/

  11. Re:another reason to never connect a TV to etherne by Grishnakh · · Score: 1, Interesting

    That's not an option with many new TVs: they require network connectivity or else they won't even work as a TV or display monitor.

    This is probably a good reason to buy your TV from Walmart actually: it's trivially easy to throw stuff back in the box (poorly) and get a full refund at your local Walmart. With Amazon, they'll probably require you to pay for return shipping costs.

  12. "infect art TVs" by rhysweatherley · · Score: 2

    This is why I only use "science TVs"!

    1. Re:"infect art TVs" by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Maybe they are referring to a large-screen version of those LCD picture frames that play a slideshow from off a SD card.

  13. Re: another reason to never connect a TV to ethern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just don't fucking buy a TV with networking. Are you having difficulties understanding that?

  14. Re:slashdot editors HATE GAY COMMUNITIES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hillary will fail so badly. Look at how she's failed to protect the american outpost in benghazi!

  15. Re: Why can't someone hack the cable box & fre by BlytheBowman · · Score: 1

    Free HBO? That was the cool thing to do.....in the 1980s (Having grown up in the 80s, I remember this well, along with IRoc cars, La Bamba (movie and song remake), and casette tape Walkmans)

  16. Don't Know Why They're Call Smart TVs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to be pretty dumb to buy one.

    1. Re:Don't Know Why They're Call Smart TVs by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      They're smart. Relative to the people buying them.

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  17. Fart TVS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "
    Researchers at Trend Micro said they have seen various versions of FLocker over the last year and the activity level of the ransomware has varied. The newest version of the malware, however, includes the ability to infect art TVs, many of which run Android
    "

    I'm sure it's not "Art TVs" you're missing something off the front of art. I'm guessing an F.

    / No, I'm not a 12 year old boy, but I play one on TV!

  18. "Smart" by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

    The only "smart" in "smart" TVs is the marketing effort behind them which convinces the sheep they want one.

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    1. Re:"Smart" by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

      Quite right, only the marketing...that and the general purpose CPU chips, often ARM based that run a variant of Linux / Android and are able to perform general purpose computing tasks. As a programmer that's quite an interesting proposition as I could run my own code on the TV set.

      Most of the mid-high end TV sets are smart TVs, so if you want a decent 4K set with high colour depth, frame dimming, a selection of display modes, high fidelity rendering of scenes, etc...you're going to have to get a smart TV. I love watching films and even the modern TV shows, since some are really hitting the mark (it's a golden age for TV). To get the picture quality I want I need to buy a mid-range respected manufacturer's TV, and those were 100% smart TV models when I checked in mid 2015.

      Sure, I could have bought a "store brand" one for 1/2 the cost and had no smart features, but they also have a shitty picture and don't integrate well with my other AV gear.

      I could definitely put together an Android device which runs Kodi and handles nearly all of the features I want in a decent TV. I did exactly that right up till the day I bought my Sony Android TV. I still wouldn't buy the sets at half the price, even though I had all the "smart features" I wanted on an ODROID-C1+, because...the picture quality on those TVs is shit in comparison.

      Not everyone with a smart TV is a sheep, and not everyone without a smart TV is NOT a sheep.

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  19. Why you don't want most Things to be Intelligent. by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

    Multiple function devices always give up some functionality. "Flying cars" are expensive, poor cars and expensive, poor planes. Swiss army knives are great, but never as nice a blade as a good hunting knife.

    TV/VCR Combo are stupid know. Ten years from now, the smart TV will also be stupid. Better to get a huge monitor and connect it to a good computer - that you can update in 5 years, keeping the monitor for another 10

    Smart TV's etc. are not worth it.

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  20. Those monsters! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Not during the football Euro Championship! How can you!

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  21. Re: another reason to never connect a TV to ethern by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Is there still one offered without?

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  22. Re: another reason to never connect a TV to ethern by BlytheBowman · · Score: 1

    How about Ethernet/WiFI===>cheap smart tv box===>good quality non-smart tv? The boxes are small enough now to simply mount to the back of your set or hide somewhere and if the box gets bricked/turned into a storage device for illicit material that a bot net uses, you simply replace the box and throw away/grind it down.

  23. Re: Why can't someone hack the cable box & fre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Z. Cavaricis FTW.

  24. Sweet by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And if you can imagine implementing the whole "internet of things" you could wake up every morning to find out something like this about all sorts of critical systems on your house!

    The "internet of things" is a COMPLETELY stupid concept; I'm not sure why people seem to keep promoting it.

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    1. Re:Sweet by HornWumpus · · Score: 3

      Switching powers supplies, reactance and the electric grid.

      Old school power supplies are resistive, they draw a little less power when the line voltage drops,

      Switching power supplies have complex reactance. When the voltage drops, they draw higher current.

      When the grids reactance as a whole stops being mostly resistive, the grid goes unstable. The higher current draw further pulls down voltage, which pulls more current...

      The choices are smart devices that know not to draw higher current (sometimes) or maintaining 51% of the load as resistive.

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    2. Re:Sweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure why people seem to keep promoting it.

      Because separating the technologically ignorant from their money is the name of the game, baby!

    3. Re:Sweet by hankwang · · Score: 1

      "The choices are smart devices that know not to draw higher current (sometimes) or maintaining 51% of the load as resistive."

      Thank you, my universal 100-240 V AC laptop adapter won't work anymore in the US and your US one will go up in smoke and flames in Europe. Or your tv will black out when the freezer/airco switches on...

    4. Re:Sweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They keep promoting it because they hope to monetize your life.

    5. Re:Sweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not people but companies.
          Sure some technophiles may consider the "interesting merits' of connecting all our household gadgets to a control panel accessible from anywhere (ie: mobile access control panel), but it's certainly not a new idea. See these 'ancient' attempts at automated appliances:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc9h6FC6QgU&start=30
        and withought the singing...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K7ntQyglWg

      But as far as really pushing it to the masses? Yeah companies.

  25. Re: another reason to never connect a TV to ethern by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    I still have a "dumb" TV. It's not big screen, only 32", but good enough, and a better fit for my not-so-big living room anyway. And no ransomware worries.

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  26. Attack Vector by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

    As someone who doesn't use any features of a "Smart TV", I'm curious what the attack vector is?

    1. Re:Attack Vector by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Usually a browser exploit coming from a pr0n or gambling site, but also from malicious apps that utilize exploits.

    2. Re:Attack Vector by jetkust · · Score: 1

      The attack vector is going to the FLocker web site, clicking on the "How to install ransomware on my TV" link, and following the installation instructions.

  27. Re: Why can't someone hack the cable box & fr by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

    I was doing it as late as 2004. Why? Because breaking smart cards was more fun than actually watching TV, which has mostly uninteresting crap.

  28. Re:Why can't someone hack the cable box & free by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

    Why can't someone hack the cable box & unlock free hbo?

    That's been done ever since HBO was a thing. From the days of analog cable boxes through today.

  29. One more reason by onyxruby · · Score: 1

    That disconnecting your smart TV from the Internet is the smartest thing of all. I want a screen, not another marketing / malware opportunity.

    1. Re:One more reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Skynet would actually be a good thing at this point. Skynet was intelligent, IoT isn't.

  30. Really? TVs? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

    Security researchers have discovered a variant of the FLocker Android ransomware that not only infects mobile devices, but also can infect smart TVs running certain versions of the operating system.

    Oh so you mean the malware doesn't inspect the screen resolution and block itself from running if it's a large screen? Fascinating.

    1. Re:Really? TVs? by eth1 · · Score: 1

      Security researchers have discovered a variant of the FLocker Android ransomware that not only infects mobile devices, but also can infect smart TVs running certain versions of the operating system.

      Oh so you mean the malware doesn't inspect the screen resolution and block itself from running if it's a large screen? Fascinating.

      If it did that, it would be locking the TVs and not the phones :P
      HDTV: 1920 x 1080
      Galaxy S7: 2560 x 1440

    2. Re:Really? TVs? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Ok, screen size (which is a parameter in Android).

  31. Re: another reason to never connect a TV to ethern by farble1670 · · Score: 1

    Not really. You can buy computer monitors, but they don't get much above 32".

  32. Re:Why you don't want most Things to be Intelligen by The+Conductor · · Score: 1
    TV/VCR Combo are stupid

    Heh, my combo set (which I didn't pay a dime for, and whose VCR broke long ago) can't play DVDs through the video input. The video passes through the VCR's AGC circuit whether I am using it or not, and Macrovision signal corruption creates brightness flicker as is its pathological intent. I use my xdimax Grex time-base corrector on it when I must.

    I always recommend against "smart" TVs myself. To describe it succinctly, the upgrade life-cycle of a TV is much longer than the upgrade cycle of a streaming appliance. If TVs had slots for plug-in cards that would be better, but we don't really have anything like PCI or Cardbus for TV sets.

  33. Re: another reason to never connect a TV to ethern by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    Yep, it's called a commercial set. and contrary to the videophiles, they have an awesome picture.

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  34. Re: another reason to never connect a TV to ethern by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    Really? then how did I get this planar 50" that is just a basic display with inputs only?

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  35. Re: another reason to never connect a TV to ethern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He was asking if you can buy one (in the present tense), not whether or not you already bought one in the past perfect tense. This is about 2016, not 2008.

    Now, if you wanna tell us that you recently bought your dumb TV, and also mention its manufacturer's name and its model, great! You'll be contributing to the conversation. (Otherwise: WTF, dude? We care as much about your old TV as your old coffee-maker or your favorite brand of toothpaste.)

  36. Re:another reason to never connect a TV to etherne by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

    That's not an option with many new TVs: they require network connectivity or else they won't even work as a TV or display monitor.

    This is probably a good reason to buy your TV from Walmart actually: it's trivially easy to throw stuff back in the box (poorly) and get a full refund at your local Walmart. With Amazon, they'll probably require you to pay for return shipping costs.

    I would be extremely surprised if a tv did this, as its a good way to get returns. Because there are many reasons why a network connection can't be made.

    First, WiFi may require a password - not just a wpa key, but a captive portal. Second, Ethernet may not be available. Third, the user may just want to get something on the screen in a hurry (perhaps they bought the first TV they saw to replace a broken one for the big game). Finally, internet may not be available, period (e.g., trade show).

    Or the user wants to have a TV to watch and wait for their kids to come over on the weekend to set up the wifi stuff.

  37. Re:another reason to never connect a TV to etherne by jedidiah · · Score: 2

    >> always have a throwaway box first, like for instance, an antenna switch for rabbit ears or rooftop.
    >
    > Ha ha! Connecting a TV with Ethernet. You must be old. Does your house smell like onions and old books? How's your prostate working??

    You're confused. Wireless is for people that have old houses that are the equivalent of an old man with a bad prostate. Wireless is what's for people that can't or won't get with the times.

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  38. Re: another reason to never connect a TV to ethern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes. I recently got this one cause it's 4k without the smart "features". https://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-49UF6700-49-Inch-Ultra/dp/B016W8XDY8/ref=sr_1_8?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1465851983&sr=1-8&keywords=4k+tv&refinements=p_n_feature_keywords_three_browse-bin%3A7688788011%2Cp_n_size_browse-bin%3A1232882011%2Cp_72%3A1248879011

  39. Place Smart Devices on an Isolated VLAN by Sadsfae · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been unfortunate enough to garner a few IoT devices, including a Samsung Smart TV. With a little bit of effort and a decent Asus Router with Tomato firmware I've placed any questionable devices on isolated VLANs so they don't affect the rest of of my trusted network. I can also block or whitelist their outbound traffic if needed.

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    1. Re:Place Smart Devices on an Isolated VLAN by BUL2294 · · Score: 1

      For now, your only concern is that your Samsung Smart TV isn't infecting your other IoT devices? You'll still be mighty pissed off when a "legitimate" ad network lets some ransomware masquerading as an ad come across one of the extra ads Samsung wants to display on your TV... But hey, it's only $200--until you realize that Samsung has no fix or security update... So, nothing prevents you from getting the same ransomware over and over...

      And even then, it's only a matter of time before someone figures out how to use your Android-based TV to infect your other Android-based IoT devices on your VLAN.

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    2. Re:Place Smart Devices on an Isolated VLAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh you are so so misinformed.

    3. Re:Place Smart Devices on an Isolated VLAN by houghi · · Score: 1

      I have to ask what you need the Smart part of the TV for. When I got mine, I looked at it and saw I could do nothing I was not already able to do.
      Conecting to the local network for pics, music and movies? XBMC is able to do that. Connect to the online streaming services? XBMC is able to do that, although I rather use a browser for YouTube.

      I could see nothing that I could not do better (and personalised) with connecting a PC to it.I do not have a Raspberry Pi as I do not need it, but I am sure that would be just as good, if not gooder.

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  40. Re: another reason to never connect a TV to ethern by TroII · · Score: 1

    In 5 years you may not be able to buy a dumb TV anymore, as manufacturers are shifting away from them. It's rather onerous to buy a dumb TV now, unless you want to order one online and deal with returning the first couple that show up broken. Go to any big box store and look at the big screen display televisions they have hooked up. Almost every one of them is internet enabled and some of them are internet required. As in, if you turn on your TV and it can't phone home to the mother ship, you aren't watching anything today. Not even from your DVD player.

    A TV is no longer an appliance that you buy, own, and use as you see fit. Having a TV in your home is quickly becoming a "service" that you must license and rent from a company like Samsung. Of course Samsung won't send you a monthly bill like the cable company does; they'll get their cut through the device itself, with always-on microphones, viewer analysis that would make the Neilsen ratings people cream their pants, unskippable advertising, and constant spying on your household to monetize you. This isn't tinfoil hat stuff, it's been evolving for a few years already.

    The masses will accept these Telescreen devices because the price goes down a couple hundred dollars. And the manufacturers will stop making televisions that don't do this shit. Give it a few years and trying to buy a dumb TV that doesn't require internet access will get you blank stares or laughed out of the store like you'd get if you tried to buy a CRT television today. You and I, who want to buy a TV without any of these "features," will be relegated to poking around at garage sales hoping to find one that still works.

  41. Re: another reason to never connect a TV to ethern by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

    We would like to know that too, so in case you ever find out, please enlighten us.

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  42. Re:another reason to never connect a TV to etherne by fnj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's not an option with many new TVs: they require network connectivity or else they won't even work as a TV or display monitor.

    Proof or you made that up. I'm going to block everything outside my LAN to the TV at the router.

  43. Re: another reason to never connect a TV to ethern by farble1670 · · Score: 2

    >32" is out of the main stream for computer monitors. If you search on Amazon, you get a bunch of oddball shit, about half of which is priced exorbitantly.

    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=n...

    Which one of these "reasonably priced" models do you own? Whichever one, that wasn't exactly a savvy purchase. They are more expensive than a 2016 4K TV, and don't have any of the image enhancement features of modern TVs (upscaling, local dimming, etc) and aren't newer display technology like VA, OLED, IPS.

    Only one of the 10+ models listed has a review, and only one review. Big sellers I guess.

    There is one model that's listed at ~$1k, the rest are >$2k many of which are $5k+. The $1k model is a plain old TN LCD display (hello, 1997). The first listing if $2.2k and is also a plain old TN LCD.

  44. Re:another reason to never connect a TV to etherne by Pascoea · · Score: 1

    I guess my biggest question is if you aren't using the "smart" features of the TV, installing apps, browsing the internet, etc, how is it getting infected with malware? From what I'm reading (in the sparsely detailed linked article) this isn't something that gets brought in from outside the device (bringing it in on an infected phone or pc), you have to install the offending app on the TV.

    It seems to me that the only people that are affected by this are the people that want to use the "smart" features of the TV. The people that don't care to use apps on their TV are fine. I get that having a TV connected to a network opens an attack vector, but for this particular virus that isn't the source of the problem. And setting up a segmented network for your smart tv gets you around that problem.

  45. Re:another reason to never connect a TV to etherne by meerling · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wireless is a LOT slower than wired, so if you are a casual user of the internet I guess you could get by with just wireless.

  46. Re:another reason to never connect a TV to etherne by meerling · · Score: 0

    Get your router tables ready, you're going to be setting up some new rules real soon!
    I'm to lazy to go look up the articles for other people. Today, I'm not even doing it for myself. :P

  47. Why you don't want Things to be Unmaintainable by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    I think people are learning the wrong lesson here. This story is why you want your computer (whether it's in a separate box or inside of the monitor) to be maintainable.

    Boot your computer from rescue/install image and either remove the malware or re-install (preferably a newer version of the OS, which doesn't contain whatever bug enabled the installation of the malware in the first place). If you can't do that, then it's a shitty computer no matter how big the bundled monitor is.

    It doesn't matter that the monitor and the computer are in the same enclosure. Many people are reasonably happy with their phones, tablets, iMacs, etc -- all essentially the same thing as "Smart TVs" just on a physically smaller scale.

    You're just unhappy because the market is full of extremely shitty products, even if based on decent technology. Putting computers in everything is good, but that's assuming you aren't choosing user-hostile computers! Take any good application for a computer, and I could turn it into your worst nightmare by substituting the computer with a hostile computer. That doesn't make the tech bad, though.

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    1. Re:Why you don't want Things to be Unmaintainable by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

      That's not my take away. Computers are by definition generic machines. They have to do everything - be a spreadsheet, be a word processer, be a video player, connect to the internet, be a phone, etc.

      That is what I object to - putting all that EXTRA tech in my dedicated Video viewing device. When you make something do too much, it DECREASES it's life expectancy and tremendously decreases the chance something will go wrong.

      Basically, you can NEVER get a good SmartTV, no matter how much you try because it gets torn in too many different directions while also suffering from pre-mature obsolesce for PART of it but not the whole thing.

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  48. Re:another reason to never connect a TV to etherne by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    Yeah, that's a good question. I really don't know, but you're probably right: if you don't mind being spied on by the TV maker (which is why it needs to be connected to the internet ultimately, for the phone-home "feature"), but don't mess around with any of the other "smart" features, and especially if you're behind any typical NAT router, I don't see how you'd get infected with anything unless the TV maker's own service gets compromised.

  49. I told you so by Trogre · · Score: 1

    And you still thought connecting your TV to the Internet was a pretty neat idea.

    I told you so.

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  50. Never had this problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know anybody who has either. So basically Smart TV's run on Android Linux and since they are computers you "could" have a problem just like any computer. The only people who would ever try to hack your TV are big corporations and the American government. How is this /. news?

  51. Re:another reason to never connect a TV to etherne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You misunderstood. Different AC here, but I'm pretty sure the other guy meant to make fun of the notion that you can prevent these shenanigans by "never connecting the TV to Ethernet". If you don't enter the Wifi password, the TV will use the access you granted some other appliance from the same manufacturer, or your neighbor's. At least some of the appliances will come with M2M SIMs, so even not having a wireless access point won't save you. To think that you could easily prevent future TVs from connecting to the Internet is, well, old people thinking.

  52. Re:another reason to never connect a TV to etherne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Multi-plataform virus in Windows...or the zombie installed in the Android phone of your friend that asked for your "password". Or IPv6.

  53. Re: another reason to never connect a TV to ethern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, that's bull shit. It makes no sense, but imagine where someone gets that idea. The TV can't guarantee you have a network connection when you open the box. Sure, a new TV will bug you on first boot when it goes through its Welcome process to enter a network config. But if you don't have a network connection, you can skip and do that later.

    Not every place you put a TV will have network. Manufacturers know that.

    At our house, we skipped that step. Our TV known nothing about a home network. We use a Roku device instead. If the Roku ever breaks (or hacked?) we spend less than $100 to replace it.

  54. Re: another reason to never connect a TV to ethern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just because you are too poor to buy the real deal does not mean others are not.

    and considering that Planar is commercial quality, it's actually not bad for the price. you are just used to low grade crap at low grade crap prices. Here at the office we have a 9 panel planar video wall made up of these... just for security and networking operations.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/...

    quite affordable for a 24/7 commercial display, You want to buy a $499 display rated for maybe 3 hours a day use.

  55. Ransom Ware by Richard+Brandshaft · · Score: 1

    The root problem is this: The Android system does not allow you to back up images of your device (via USB to a PC or Mac) and restore the device from a PC or Mac when something goes wrong. With Desktops and Laptops, I save images of C: and Macintosh HD (using Paragon software for PCs, the built in Disk Utility for the Macs). I also save my data on other partitions than C: or Macintosh HD where allowed. When something goes badly wrong I don't even try to figure it out; I just restore the last good image.

  56. Re: another reason to never connect a TV to ethern by farble1670 · · Score: 1

    I may be poor, but paying more for less is retarded. If the shoe fits.

  57. Re: another reason to never connect a TV to ethern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LG have a few "dumb" TVs, Samsung has a few. I'd also consider Roku models a safe bet. Heck, I bought a lesser brand 50" 1080p last spring for $400.