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Bill Guarantees 50% Salary For Workers Laid Off With Non-Compete (computerworld.com)

Reader dcblogs shares a Computer World report: Non-compete agreements are controversial for many reasons, but what may be worst of all: Even if you are laid off from your job, a non-compete agreement may still apply. California has made non-compete agreements unenforceable, but Massachusetts has not. Some opponents say that's partly the result of lobbying by EMC, which has considerable clout as a major state employer, headquartered in the Boston suburb of Hopkinton. But the pending $67 billion merger of EMC with Dell, and the prospect of merger-related layoffs, is spurring a new attack on non-compete agreements. State lawmakers are considering limiting non-compete agreements to one year, banning them for low-wage workers and for people terminated without cause. The leading legislative proposal will also require an employer to pay at least 50% of the former employer's salary during the period of time the non-compete is in effect. This salary guarantee is called "garden leave" and is in Massachusetts House bill H.4323. In May, the White House released a report about non-compete agreements. It found that 18% of the workforce is now covered by a non-compete agreement, but over the course of a career, some 37% of all workers (PDF) will be subject to them.

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  1. Bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bill who?

  2. Sign 'I don't agree' on all HR paperwork by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously, nobody ever actually checks that you signed your name. Just write 'I don't agree' somewhat legibly.

    HR drones are fucking morons, use it.

    Consider signing actual name on IRS and 401K documents, but even there no big deal, nobody checks.

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    1. Re:Sign 'I don't agree' on all HR paperwork by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      They cut me a check as part of employment (end of it), and you think they can get it back because I didn't actually sign something?

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    2. Re:Sign 'I don't agree' on all HR paperwork by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most WILL NOT issue a severance check UNTIL you sign the separation agreement. They WILL issue you your last paycheck, however - they must do that.

      I think requiring companies to pay a 50% salary when a non-compete is in effect is brilliant as they can dictate for whom you can work (and, as such, the ability earn a comparable salary).

      If a company determines you are no longer of value to them and they release you (fire/layoff, then the non-compete should be voided entirely. If they still deem you of value but have let you go, they need to provide compensation such as in a layoff with option to recall (as in temporary down-size), they need to pay up or release the obligation.

    3. Re:Sign 'I don't agree' on all HR paperwork by slew · · Score: 5, Informative

      Seriously, nobody ever actually checks that you signed your name. Just write 'I don't agree' somewhat legibly.

      HR drones are fucking morons, use it.

      Consider signing actual name on IRS and 401K documents, but even there no big deal, nobody checks.

      IANAL, but AFAIK, just signing an "X" in the presence of the counterparty is enough to "sign" a document. All you need is a meeting of the minds for a contract which is why they make you initial here and there when signing important documents, so you later can't claim you didn't get a chance to read a certain clause. This is why square can let you scribble illegibly on an ipad to charge your credit card.

      Actually signing "I don't agree" might work against you in this case (since you are kind of admitting you understand it enough to disagree with it). It might be better to legibly write "I don't understand" or "I am incompetent", but it probably legally doesn't make much of a difference if you actually put pen to paper signalling to the counterparty that the contract terms are closed.

      The only real argument you probably have if you have already scribbled on the signature line in the presence of the counterparty is that you signed it under duress. However, if you later accept a check, that might be a hard argument to make.

  3. How about by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2

    How about non-competes require to pay out at the highest salary the worker has had with the company, with automatic COL raises baked in, over the length of the NDA, minimum two years.

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    1. Re:How about by JackieBrown · · Score: 3, Funny

      And pay for healthcare... and a house... and a pony

    2. Re:How about by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bumping costs like this means somebody has to lose their job

      You have it backwards. It's severance pay. If nobody loses their job, the cost is zero.

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    3. Re:How about by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If the employer wants to prevent you from working, they need to be paying for your time. They're paying money in exchange for the benefit of you not providing your time and labour to another country.

      If they're not willing to pay, why should you be willing to do something in return?

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  4. Seems fair to me by mitcheli · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can't have unions, can't get another job, have to take pay cuts, get randomly laid off, no job security. And now they want to make it so you have to find a whole new type of job? Add a poison pill to keep HR from running amok.

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    1. Re:Seems fair to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is most of those companies or contracts claim basically anything and everything, including the experience you've gained, is exactly such information. This can be quite problematic if your financial situation (or even just your pay) were not-so-great.

      Keep in mind these are the same types that try to steal our own intellectual property by pretending things we've done on our own time in our own house on our own computer belongs to them because we're under their employ.

  5. Re:Blame the Unions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is the stupidest thing I read today. Thank you for making the internet dumber.

  6. Re:This new job has you writing software? by mark-t · · Score: 2
    I think you are misreading who is guaranteed 50% of the salary.

    ...require an employer to pay at least 50% of the former employer's salary during the period of time the non-compete is in effect.

  7. Re:Blame the Unions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unions caused these non-competes to happen. In an effort to ensure that even the shittiest employees get luxurious lifelong jobs with full pay and benefits, they forced companies to do things like this to stay afloat without unfair competition from other fat cat Union shops. So the next time you get laid off and are forced to sign a non-compete, remember that fat cat Union backed by criminal Democrats like Hillary Clinton are the reason you are suffering.

    I'm interested in this because I've never heard those two things connected before. Can you substantiate it please?

    The main reason so far as I know why unions exist is that worker productivity has steadily risen since the 1950s while wages have remained stagnant. It's a predictable situation when you have two parties with competing interests, only one of them has a great deal more power, can dictate terms to the other, and generally is holding all the cards. That's where the demand and support for unions comes from. The problems with unions happen when they participate in politics, generally.

  8. Just ban them outright. by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, just ban con-compete clauses nation-wide and void any contracts that include them. They're only ever used abusively on the part of the company that insisted on them as a way to screw over employees in revenge for leaving. And they don't benefit the overall economy. Just look at California. The illegality of non-competes certainly hasn't caused the tech industry here to collapse in on itself.

    Apple and Google got in a world of hurt a few years ago for screwing their employees over with an informal no-poaching arrangement. Well... non-compete clauses screw the employee an order of magnitude worse. And we should drop the hammer... equally hard if not harder... on the companies using them.

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    1. Re:Just ban them outright. by guruevi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If it's a contract you sign, then I assume they must be compensating you 'in advance'. I don't see what's illegal about them, it prevents certain people (eg. C-levels and management) from spying on a company and then going to their competitor with the information they collected.

      You should get compensated though for them, most people simply don't read their contracts or know that they can disagree to signing a contract. I've disagreed many times to many contracts at jobs. Most of the time HR simply doesn't care that you don't sign and when they do care, I say "I don't agree" and then sometimes there is a small shit storm and a dick waving contest between managers but not something I care about.

      If your severance package is good enough to warrant a non-compete, then by all means sign it, but if all you get is a handshake and a sweater, then fuck them.

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  9. Interesting twist... by Mitsoid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What if the company cut your salary before firing you?

    "Hey Bill, you've had your salary reduced to minimum wage, but don't worry, we're firing you!"

    Non-compete for 1 year price: ~$8,000

    Or even better:

    "Hey bill, we'll give you severance pay of $X, but you have to sign these papers..."

    Included in that pile is an agreement to take a lower base salary for your last pay check, which is then used for non-compete salary calculations.

    1. Re:Interesting twist... by PPH · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the legislators are smart, they'll make the calculation of base salary depend on salary over the past few years. And making employees sign something to retroactively reduce their base salary could be made illegal for the purpose of the law.

      Legislators (or at least their staff) aren't stupid. That's how they get hired into the private sector. They either keep writing laws that are increasingly onerous or business buys them out.

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  10. health coverage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What about health and other benefit coverage during the non-compete time period?

  11. Re:unintended consequences by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because that's what happened in states where non-competes are banned?

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  12. Non-competes are unethical by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Non-compete "agreements" are hugely unethical in my opinion. If I work at Google and Apple wants to hire me I should have the right to switch employers without further restrictions. If companies want employees to sit on the sidelines they should either pay them enough to keep them on the payroll or pay them market value to sit on the sidelines. Putting a non-compete in front of an employee as a condition of employment should be illegal and unenforceable anywhere in the US.

  13. Re:I don't see the problem with non-compete clause by Kreplock · · Score: 4, Interesting

    By all means, let me just not sign that NCA and miss payments on my house and other obligations to stand against NCAs. How noble! Meanwhile some incompetent schmuck will get the job and the company who would have hired me will never associate with me on any level. And let's not forget, even unenforceable NCAs can be damaging to the employee. Even though I'm in a state where NCAs are considered "unenforceable" I know of at least 1 job offer I did not get because of a 3 year NCA between current employer and potential employer. See, the potential employer plays for the "NCAs are good" team, doesn't want to rock the boat on current contracts, and has no interest in generating legal liabilities because even if the agreement is "unenforceable" if they get served with papers it already costs them money.

  14. Re:This will adversely affect contracting companie by swb · · Score: 2

    My response is tough shit for them.

    Any business model that relies on court enforcement of restrictive labor contracts is weak. If you can't provide an incentive good enough to keep your employees at your firm and need to coerce them, you're doing it wrong.

  15. I like this approach! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Non-compete agreements were historically an executive clause, designed to protect a company against having a key man quit and then immediately apply a headful of inside knowledge against the former employer. When such a worker separated with a non-compete in effect, he was usually walking off with a tidy stack of equity shares whose value would be diminished if he were to violate the agreement.

    So when a company requires a non-compete from a worker who does not in any way benefit from the clause, let's require compensation in the form of a percentage of former salary.

  16. Re:unintended consequences by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2

    If you think we have a free market in employment you're either not paying attention or you're a shill.