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New Algorithm Could Help Predict Future ISIS Attacks (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Researchers have developed a new algorithm which may help law enforcement agencies predict potential terror attacks. The computer model has a particular focus on the behavioral patterns associated with Islamic State (ISIS) supporters...
For eight months in 2015, the researchers tracked 108,086 individual followers on ISIS-related social media pages, noting that sudden increases in the number of pages "preceded the onset of violence in a way that would not have been detected by looking at social media references to ISIS alone." According to The Stack, the University of Miami team "used a mathematical equation typically applied in physics and chemistry to monitor the development and growth of pro-ISIS groups. 'It was like watching crystals forming. We were able to see how people were materializing around certain social groups; they were discussing and sharing information -- all in real-time... This removes the guess work. With that road map, law enforcement can better navigate what is going on, who is doing what, while state security agencies can better monitor what might be developing,..."

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  1. 20/20 hindsight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Best left to Vegas.

    1. Re:20/20 hindsight by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      I've been seeing these predictions since the Vietnam War at least, when the US military was playing with using computer models to predict VC attacks. Since then, this sort of modelling has been used to predict and warn about the collapse of the Soviet Union, 9/11, Iraq, the Noodle Incident, and the Wombat Event.

  2. Algorithm? by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Surely they mean "deep learning" and "AI" and "neural network"? Don't these people know how to generate hype? Algorithms are so 1990.

    1. Re:Algorithm? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      You need al-Gorithms and al-Gebra to catch al-Quaeda. Everyone knows that.

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    2. Re:Algorithm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FINALLY ONE INSTANCE WHERE I AGREE WITH YOU 110010001000 but I will see your little observation and raise you this insight:

      All the observations and algorithms in the world are a waste of time and money unless they lead to actionable intelligence on the terror front. And no this does not necessarily mean increases in prosecutions of suspected terrorists, rather an objective measure of being able to predict terrorist attacks, when and where they will happen, before they happen and not afterwards.

      There are no points for the Ivan Browning technique of generating media hype by waiting for a bad earthquake to happen and then stepping up and going "Oh by the way I predicted that!"

    3. Re:Algorithm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Al Gore -isms?

    4. Re:Algorithm? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      You need al-Gorithms and al-Gebra to catch al-Quaeda. Everyone knows that.

      Also, al-Cohn.

      https://youtu.be/_mZ3UmRbAgY

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    5. Re:Algorithm? by mspohr · · Score: 1

      The Arabic source, al-Kwarizm ‘the man of Kwarizm’ (now Khiva), was a name given to the 9th-century mathematician Ab Jafar Muhammad ibn Msa.

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    6. Re:Algorithm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article did mention that the algorithm was trying to predict the attacks based upon activity leading up to an attack and therefore being able to notify law enforcement prior to the attack. I am not saying they can actually produce these results I am just challenging your statement "before they happen and not afterwards." Personally I doubt anyone is capable of predicting human behavior when it comes to complicated and emotional driven motivations. And three of the most recent mass shooting attacks in the US happened because the evil US government who are constantly being accused of monitoring the entire US populace dropped the ball. The women involved in the attack in California had posted Facebook comments supportive of terrorist actions against the US and was still granted a VISA when she entered the country. The person who perpetrated the shooting at the South Carolina church had a large presence on the internet where he extoled the virtues of white power and even posted pictures of himself holding firearms to emphasize his prejudices. I guess the government efforts at tracking everyone on the internet are not as good as people describe. The shooter in Orlando was actually interviewed twice in recent years by the FBI and was still able to legally buy a gun. And now it is announced that people on the terrorist watchdog list may be barred from flying on an airplane but they can still legally purchase firearms.

    7. Re:Algorithm? by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And now it is announced that people on the terrorist watchdog list may be barred from flying on an airplane but they can still legally purchase firearms.

      That's because being on a terrorist watch list isn't a criminal conviction. You can't take away someone's constitutionally protected rights just because someone, without any due process or any of the other protections guaranteed in the constitution, says they seem suspicious. All sorts of people who've had absolutely nothing to do with terrorism or any Islamist leanings have wound up on the no-fly list, and had to fight for months or years to be removed. Would you support removing their freedom of speech, too? No? Why not?

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    8. Re:Algorithm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's because being on a terrorist watch list isn't a criminal conviction. You can't take away someone's constitutionally protected rights just because someone, without any due process or any of the other protections guaranteed in the constitution, says they seem suspicious. All sorts of people who've had absolutely nothing to do with terrorism or any Islamist leanings have wound up on the no-fly list, and had to fight for months or years to be removed. Would you support removing their freedom of speech, too? No? Why not?

      If you do not oppose removing their right to travel, then why hold out for others? As shown, people are quite capable of being dangerous to others when not on a plane.

      Either the watch list is sufficient cause to take action or it is not.

      How about this as a compromise, we let the gun store owner KNOW they're on the watchlist, and they decide.

      Just like we could with the plane's passengers and crew!

    9. Re:Algorithm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the constitutional right is so absolute, then why can't you buy a machine gun, mortar or RPG? And if the constitutional right is vague enough that it permits barring most people from buying those things, then it might be vague enough to bar people on no-fly lists from buying a lot more.

    10. Re:Algorithm? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Fascination. Find that on Wikipedia, did you?

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    11. Re: Algorithm? by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Just Google word definitions

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    12. Re:Algorithm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now it is announced that people on the terrorist watchdog list may be barred from flying on an airplane but they can still legally purchase firearms.

      That's because being on a terrorist watch list isn't a criminal conviction. You can't take away someone's constitutionally protected rights just because someone, without any due process or any of the other protections guaranteed in the constitution, says they seem suspicious.

      Freedom of movement isn't a constitutional right?

    13. Re:Algorithm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you do not oppose removing their right to travel, then why hold out for others?

      Because the right to bear arms and freedom of speech are enshrined in the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution whereas the freedom to travel without impediment is not. That's the difference. Are you really so thick that you don't see that or are you just being pedantic?

      Either the watch list is sufficient cause to take action or it is not.

      Fine. You want to make the real world, which is never black and white, black and white? Then the answer is that it's not sufficient.

      How about this as a compromise, we let the gun store owner KNOW they're on the watchlist, and they decide.

      The gun store owner is just a private citizen running a business. He pays his taxes and votes for a government to legislate and enforce the laws. If I'm a gun store owner and it's legal to sell the gun to the customer and the customer has money and wants to buy it then I'm going to sell to that person. The lawful gun store owner has every right to practice his legal profession unmolested by busybodies who want to make every action of public and private life into a political issue.

      Just like we could with the plane's passengers and crew!

      Suppose that the plane's passengers and crew decided that they didn't like liberal busybodies, or trans people or whatever and voted to boot you or your family or friends off the plane. Would you be ok with that? We have laws and courts for a reason. If mob rule could solve the problems of society they would have all been solved a long time ago.

    14. Re: Algorithm? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Do you do that all the time? Pick a word out of a comment, without understanding it or the context, and post something that everybody already knew?

      In case you didn't know, Al Gore claimed to have invented the internet. That was the fucking joke, you twerp.

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    15. Re:Algorithm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you may need to read up more on the right to travel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_United_States_law

    16. Re:Algorithm? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Where in the American Constitution does it say that the legislature can remove someones right to bear arms?
      Shit, I live in a country where we don't have the right to bear arms, but it takes a Judge to remove the privilege of owning arms as part of the sentence and it's only done when someone did something stupid with a firearm.

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    17. Re:Algorithm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shit, I live in a country where the government doesn't recognize our right to bear arms,

      FTFY

  3. Algorithm poisonning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So now that ISIS know the alogrithm exists, assuming some of them read news, then all they need to poison it is to suddenly browse as if they were trying to target something at the antipodes of their real target.

  4. Just tap the phone line of the Saudi embassy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    And then [all together now]: *follow the money*.

    It couldn't be simpler. They don't work for free.

    1. Re:Just tap the phone line of the Saudi embassy by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hey, hey, please, behave and be considerate. We want to fight evil, we wage war on evil, but what makes you think we'd want to get rid of it? Do you want to kill off the last industry the US is good at? Manufacturing is in China, R&D is being handed to Europe, the only thing the US are really still awesome in is blowing shit up. You can't take that away! Why do you hate America?

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    2. Re:Just tap the phone line of the Saudi embassy by x0ra · · Score: 2, Insightful

      probably not, you'd lead directly to the Clinton foundation.

    3. Re:Just tap the phone line of the Saudi embassy by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Oh stop, we still make pretty good Pizza.

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    4. Re:Just tap the phone line of the Saudi embassy by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Italy might want to discuss that with you.

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    5. Re:Just tap the phone line of the Saudi embassy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's okay by me. I'm voting for Trump anyway. In other words, I'm shorting the government.

    6. Re:Just tap the phone line of the Saudi embassy by gtall · · Score: 1

      It isn't official Saudi foreign policy that is the problem, it is the implicit deal they struck with their Wahhabi nutjob clerics. The deal was the clerics get to run their Stazi internally looking for "vice" and to export their poison elsewhere with madrassas, all in return for letting the fat boys in the robes run what's leftover. The classical current example is Albania, now that they have their Wahhabi madrassas, they also have a militant Islam problem with their youth.

      Tapping the Saudi embassies will turn up nothing. And, if they have any brains, they'd assume their phones lines are being tapped and will only allow stuff they want the U.S. to hear over them.

      According to the Saudis, there's an Iranian hiding behind every grain of sand. That's another reason not to tap them, what passes for Saudi "intelligence" is really more Saudi bedwetting over the Iranians (not that the Iranians are fluffy bunnies, but we shouldn't believe just anything from Saudi Arabia about them).

  5. How about instead... by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2, Insightful

    New Algorithm Could Help Predict Future ISIS Attacks

    How about a new policy that could help prevent future ISIS attacks?

    Does a temporary ban on immigration from conflict areas still seem unreasonable?

    1. Re:How about instead... by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Does a temporary ban on immigration from conflict areas still seem unreasonable?

      Yes. It is far more reasonable to stop financing the conflict. But market dominance in the arms trade takes precedence. The immigration charade is a diversion.

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    2. Re:How about instead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Total fatalities due to terrorism in the USA (1995-2014): 3264

      Total fatalities due to gun violence (2001-2013): 406,496 (source CDC)
      Total fatalities due to automobiles (2001-2013): 501,462

      So we really need to ban cars and guns?!

    3. Re:How about instead... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Now how's that going to make anyone money? How do you want to justify spending billions on security theater and smokescreens if the people are not properly scared?

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    4. Re:How about instead... by khasim · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The immigration charade is a diversion.

      Particularly because the majority of terrorist attacks in the USofA have been carried out by US citizens WHO WERE BORN IN THE USofA.

      If you want to look at foreigners, those terrorists come here on tourism visas and such.

      Very few immigrants commit any terrorist acts in the USofA.

    5. Re:How about instead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How about a new policy that could help prevent future ISIS attacks?

      Does a temporary ban on immigration from conflict areas still seem unreasonable?

      Let's see...since 2010...

      February 18, 2010: Austin suicide attack: Andrew Joseph Stack III flying his single engine plane flew into the Austin Texas IRS building killing himself and one IRS employee and injuring 13 others. Stack left a suicide note online, comparing the IRS to Big Brother from the novel 1984.

      Wouldn't help.

      March 4, 2010: 2010 Pentagon shooting: John Patrick Bedell shot and wounded two Pentagon police officers at a security checkpoint in the Pentagon station of the Washington Metro rapid transit system in Arlington County, Virginia.

      Wouldn't help.

      September 1, 2010: Discovery Communications headquarters hostage crisis: James J. Lee, armed with two starter pistols and an explosive device, takes three people hostage in the lobby of the Discovery Communications headquarters in Silver Spring, Maryland before being killed by police. After nearly four hours, Lee was shot dead by police and all the hostages were freed without injury. Lee had earlier posted a manifesto railing against population growth and immigration.[74][75]

      Wouldn't help.

      August 5, 2012: Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting: Six people were killed and three others were injured, including a police officer who was tending to victims at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. The gunman, 40-year-old Wade Michael Page, killed himself after being shot by police.[76] The shooting is being treated by authorities as an act of domestic terrorism.[77][78] While a motive has not been clearly defined, Page had been active in white supremacist groups.[76]

      Wouldn't help.

      April 15, 2013: Boston Marathon bombing: Two bombs detonated within seconds of each other near the finish line of the Boston Marathon, killing 3 and injuring more than 180 people.[79][80] Late in the evening of April 18 in Cambridge, Massachusetts, an MIT campus police officer was shot and killed while sitting in his squad car.

      Immigrated, but in 2004.

      Maybe. But a ten year window and a conflict the US wasn't even involved with?

      April 16, 2013: April 2013 ricin letters: Two letters, sent to Mississippi Republican Senator Roger Wicker and president Barack Obama, were tested positive for ricin. Each letter contained the message "I am KC and I approve this message". On April 27, 2013, a man named Everett Dutschke was arrested.

      Wouldn't help.

      November 1, 2013: 2013 Los Angeles International Airport shooting: Paul Anthony Ciancia entered the checkpoint at the Los Angeles International Airport and fired his rifle, killing one Transportation Security Administration officer and injuring six others. The motivation behind the attack was Paul's inspiration of the anti-government agenda, such as believing in the New World Order conspiracy theory, and stating that he "wanted to kill TSA" and described them as "pigs".

      Wouldn't help

      December 13, 2013: 2013 Wichita bomb attempt: 58-year-old avionics technician, identified as Terry Lee Loewen, was arrested on December 13, 2013, for attempting a suicide bombing at Wichita Mid-Continent Airport, where he was employed. Loewen became radicalized after reading extremist Islamic material on the Internet. He was arrested while driving a vehicle into the airport with what he believed to be an active explosive device. Later sentenced to 20 years in Federal prison.[89]

      Wouldn't help.

      April 13, 2014: Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting: A pair of shootings committed by a lone gunman occurred at the Jewish Community Center of Greater Kansas City and Village Shalom, a Jewish retirement community, in Overland Park, Kansas. A total of three people died in the shootings. One suspect, identified as Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr., a neo-Nazi neo-Pagan, was arrested and charged with capital murder, first-degree murder, attempted first-degree murder, and aggravated a

    6. Re:How about instead... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 0

      "Does a temporary ban on immigration from conflict areas still seem unreasonable?"

      Because discriminating against people who have detailed on social media their intention to kill us for religious reasons would be racist.

    7. Re:How about instead... by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      New Algorithm Could Help Predict Future ISIS Attacks

      How about a new policy that could help prevent future ISIS attacks?

      Does a temporary ban on immigration from conflict areas still seem unreasonable?

      Wouldn't have made much of a difference in Orlando.....

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    8. Re:How about instead... by Z80a · · Score: 2

      Another simple solution is to well, have fucking men inside ISIS, you know, the ol good spy work, that thing NSA should actually do.

    9. Re:How about instead... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      That gun violence number includes suicides which is misleading. For instance, from the 2013 CDC data table 18, it gives firearms deaths at 33,636. The number of suicide by firearms is 21,175. Almost two thirds of those fatalities are intentionally self inflicted by people harming only themselves (which as a free person should be your right even if it is stupid).

      12,461 people did die from gun violence in 2013 though. However, 48,545 died from poisoning deaths and only 6,637 of those were suicide. That is 41,908 poisoning deaths not attributed to suicide. It is also more deaths than all firearm related deaths with and without discounting suicides. But suicides were the 10th leading cause of deaths in the US in 2013 and 2014. Heart disease and cancer were number 1 and 2 respectively.

      So before banning cars and guns, we should ban cancer, heart disease, and suicides. As for banning foreigners, I don't really care but an American citizen and legal resident has more of a right to have a car, weapons, and to kill themselves than foreigners have a right to enter the country.

    10. Re:How about instead... by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      You likely cannot do that.

      ISIS often sends recruits who do not show some extreme value to their death by either fighting on the front lines or by suicide bombings. So in order to get someone on the inside (as opposed to turning someone already on the inside) they would either have to take up arms against our allies, commit a terrorist attack, or somehow help with the planning and organization of either in a way that makes them more valuable to keep around than put at risk.

      What they need to do is work people already in ISIS who have become somewhat disenfranchised. Off them asylum or whatever, fake an arrest, and then give them a new identity after they spill the beans on everything they know. Of course we would know a lot more if we didn't have a government who ran out and bragged about every little thing the do and how they did it when it comes to ISIS or any other hotspot going on.

    11. Re: How about instead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Born in the USA, after their parents anchor babied their way in.

    12. Re: How about instead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CIA

    13. Re: How about instead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US should finally stop being anal about being born there and start being rational.

    14. Re: How about instead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=807_1369627137

      Actually, it would. Perhaps the far right guy would not have felt the need to kill the bleeding heart lefty polly with her hand on the immigration tap trying to turn it from Trickle to Flood (ala Merkel) if thousands of muslims were not swarming into the country.

    15. Re: How about instead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or anywhere else. Muslims are already here. The war has started. Young females are the first casualties in this war. How long will England allow for its citizens to be raped and murdered by an invading force?

      It is your country. Until you stop defending it. Then your country belongs to someone else.

      Blood has been spilled by both sides. There is no peace with people who believe in an invisible man in the sky who has told them they alone rule this world.

      http://www.nationalreview.com/article/386648/rotherhams-and-englands-shame-john-osullivan

    16. Re:How about instead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New Algorithm Could Help Predict Future ISIS Attacks

      How about a new policy that could help prevent future ISIS attacks?

      Does a temporary ban on immigration from conflict areas still seem unreasonable?

      Actually, the original proposed Muslim ban is correct. The recent modification on immigration from 'conflict areas' is just trying to plug a leak with chewing gum. Those who talk just about the Syrian refugees, or Libya or Iraq or Yemen totally miss the bigger picture.

      Let's look at some of the Jihad attacks we've had. Mateen's family was from Afghanistan. The Sayyids were from Pakistan/Saudi Arabia. The Chattanooga shooter was from Kuwait. The Tsarnaev brothers were from Chechnya. Ft Dix was from Albania. None of these places are necessarily ISIS areas, but all of them are MUSLIM. THAT'S what should be the criteria for screening.

      I know that we are war weary and have a teetering economy, so from that standpoint, I don't mind us closing our doors to ALL refugees. But if we did admit any, the 'conflict areas' are a bad idea, since it means leaving out people like Yazidis and Assyrians, who HAVE been successfully vetted by some Eastern European countries like Slovenia before being admitted there.

      Point is - RELIGIOUS profiling makes perfect sense. Sikhs or Yazidis or Maronites or Copts ain't gonna pull of Jihad terror attacks in the West. Muslims are - regardless of where they come from. THEY are the people who should be barred from entry

    17. Re:How about instead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's irrelevant only to the point of there being little difference between immigrant and native born Muslims - both being equally capable of Jihad, as both Matten and Farook/Malik showed

    18. Re:How about instead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Point is - all the terror attacks in the US since 2001 have been done by Muslims. One may sometimes find exceptions like the Colorado Planned Parenthood shooter, that proves the rule.

    19. Re:How about instead... by gtall · · Score: 1

      Okay, from henceforth forward, all U.S. financial support for Daesh will cease. There...doesn't appear to have stopped anything just yet, maybe they aren't on the cc list for the memo.

    20. Re:How about instead... by gtall · · Score: 1

      NSA started as signals intelligence and that is its primary focus today. The human intelligence work is CIA.

      And just how will the U.S. infiltrate spies into Daesh? They are not unlike a motorcycle gang or the Mafia. To get in, one has to make one's bones. So you expect the U.S. to tell its agents it is okay to knock off a few heads to gain access? Once you figure out how to clear the Geneva conventions on this, get back to us.

      Okay, so maybe you want lower level access, not big shot access. Daesh's best use of you will be a bot attached to suicide vest or driving a car bomb. That's probably bodes ill for getting actual live agents into Daesh, no?

      While we're on the subject of infiltrating Daesh, I feel you have what it takes to do this. Please volunteer your services. I hear it isn't hard to get to Syria via Turkey, they'd love to have you.

    21. Re:How about instead... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      This week they're financing Al Qaeda, and get very upset when the Russians bomb them.

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    22. Re:How about instead... by dave420 · · Score: 1

      So you will end up banning innocent Muslims, and any Muslims who wish to sneak in will just pretend to be some other religion. This is the problem with simplistic solutions based on some stilted superficial understanding - they just don't work. Their only use is drawing attention to the muppets suggesting them.

  6. Here is the simplified version by elrous0 · · Score: 0, Troll

    The more backwards, koran-thumping sandbillies you have in your country/city/town, the higher the chance of an attack.

    The higher the number and quality of lethal armaments that are floating around in your country/city/town, the higher the body-count from an attack will be.

    The more liberals you have in your country/city/town, the higher the chance that the telltale signs leading up to the attack will be ignored or suppressed in the media.

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  7. Correction: predict *past* attacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    n/t

  8. sounds like hydra and minority report by lkcl · · Score: 1

    this sounds very much like "Project Insight" from Captain America Winter Soldier, and also the film "Minority Report". we know how those worked out - people got murdered or jailed for just being alive...

    1. Re:sounds like hydra and minority report by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Being murdered for being dead is way worse.

    2. Re:sounds like hydra and minority report by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      We don't have the pre-cogs to put in the vat yet for the idea in Minority Report to work lol

    3. Re:sounds like hydra and minority report by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      Being murdered for being dead is way worse.

      On the plus side, there's way less paperwork for murdering dead people.

  9. Re:ISIS? What "ISIS"?.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
  10. I call BS by mea2214 · · Score: 1

    Do they have a proof for this algorithm or is it all smoke and mirrors like Theranos?

    1. Re:I call BS by gweihir · · Score: 1

      As they only predict potential attacks, whatever they predict will be correct, no matter how meaningless.

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  11. easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    if (it is a muslim) then probability of attack *= 10000

    1. Re:easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if (websitesfrequented("tumblr|vice|huffpo")==true && year>2017){probability_of_attack * = 5000;}

  12. Re:ISIS? What "ISIS"?.. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Oh please, the Peace Prize is the popularity contest of the Nobel Prizes. I mean, look at the people who got one. Kissinger. Carter. And once they almost handed one to Hitler. But to be fair, Stalin was nominated too. Twice, actually.

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  13. The Roaches are Getting Smaller by retroworks · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't you miss the days of the big attacks? 9/11, Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma, embassy bombings?

    If the definition of "effective policy" is "terror doesn't make the news" then there can be no effective policy. Because whatever happens, however small, if it's the biggest outrage of the year, becomes the news cycle.

    The number of deaths from violence, as a percentage of human deaths, goes down every century. We now mourn ten year wars whose total casualty counts for military are less than a single week in World War 1 or II. The press is trying to define "policy failure" as "something bad happened", and whatever the worst thing happens floats above the fold. The Orlando shootings were by a rather odorous loser that women don't like, who was obsessed about filming his first person shooter rampage on his smartphone. There's no indication of any potential by the guy to ever do anything as bad as Timothy McVeigh. But there will always be kids shooting 9 people in a church or something, and the papers will always lead with that story. It's the same trend that lends to "micro-aggression" at colleges, so many real threats have been solved that we need to "drill down" to have something to be concerned about.

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    1. Re:The Roaches are Getting Smaller by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      Few people have the patients and planning capabilities to pull off what McVeigh did. It's relatively easy to go buy a gun and shoot people; making a moving truck full of home-made explosives takes time, effort, and real planning. It takes awhile to produce 5,000 pounds of explosives.

    2. Re:The Roaches are Getting Smaller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IOW: There's no (private) terrorism in North Korea.

      But would you want to live there?

    3. Re:The Roaches are Getting Smaller by swb · · Score: 1

      It's almost like there's this human capacity to worry that can't be turned off.

      I remember in college becoming worried about a class -- an upcoming test, a paper due, something like that -- and thinking, oh, if I could just get that taken care of, I'd have nothing to worry about.

      As soon as I did, something else to worry about cropped up.

    4. Re:The Roaches are Getting Smaller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oklahoma and 9/11 were done by the USA government

  14. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    These algorithms never work. I'm pretty shocked how often bullshit announcements like this keep popping up. Now I'm just waiting for AI to be cheapened into some bullshit SJW propaganda project.

  15. Re:"may predict potential..." by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

    The usual "possibly maybe" bullshit.

    ^Doesn't understand how science works^

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  16. False positives coming your way in 3... 2... 1... by mark-t · · Score: 1

    [nt]

  17. More guns, less bodies. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The higher the number and quality of lethal armaments that are floating around in your country/city/town, the higher the body-count from an attack will be.

    The higher the percentage of the people carrying concealed weapons in your country/city/town, the higher the probability that one or more of the people in the targeted site can and will shoot back, incapacitating or killing the attacker(s) and aborting the carnage, and thus the lower the body-count from the attack will be.

    The higher the probability of such a counter-action, the less likely potential terrorists will chose to attempt the attack. The body count of an attack that doesn't occur is zero.

    Of course, if the venu is a gun-free zone, only the terrorist will have guns. In Florida, as with many states permitting concealed-carry, this is the case for establishments serving alcohol, such as Pulse. Oops!

    That's one reason I intend to retire in Nevada, which (as of the last time I renewed) doesn't block CCW in bars and casinos. B-)

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    1. Re:More guns, less bodies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. They may shoot but most don't even if armed. Those who do most often shoot the wrong way and kill others instead.

    2. Re:More guns, less bodies. by ScentCone · · Score: 2

      Those who do most often shoot the wrong way and kill others instead.

      Really? What percentage? Please offer some citation for that sweeping assertion.

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    3. Re:More guns, less bodies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To me, freedom and liberty means that I feel more secure when I don't have to carry a weapon.

    4. Re:More guns, less bodies. by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Law enforcement officers shoot more bystanders than lawful carrying civilians do when defending themselves and others. There is a good reason for this however; law enforcement generally shows up in response to an incident while someone on the scene before the incident has more context and a greater potential for situational awareness.

      Law enforcement officers are also less law abiding than civilians who are licensed to carry but maybe they have more opportunity to be convicted of crimes.

    5. Re:More guns, less bodies. by RuffMasterD · · Score: 1

      However many lives might be saved from massacres by arming everybody will likely be offset by fatalities from accidental discharges, drunken arguments settled with violence, armed robberies gone wrong because people are too slow to pull their weapon against jacked-up thugs with the benefit of surprise, impulsive suicides, etc. We know these things happen already, they will just become more common. Massacres are rare, but everyday stupidity is everywhere every day. And if you think the police are militant now, wait until they go from suspecting that anybody could be armed to knowing for a fact that everyone is armed. We will lose that arms race.

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    6. Re:More guns, less bodies. by bigfinger76 · · Score: 1

      Let's start by toning down the hyperbole. No one is advocating that everyone be armed. Please stop repeating this.

    7. Re:More guns, less bodies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... doesn't block CCW in bars and casinos ...

      While the "...good guy with a gun" argument is difficult to refute, the result is more guns, which is a bad thing. That's why 6 year-olds are shooting people. It's why keeping guns away from the mentally ill is impossible in the USA.

      ... block CCW in bars and casinos.

      As recently proven, one gun can do a lot of damage in a bar, and you don't know how a person with a gun and alcohol will act. And, I'm not talking about the "bad guy" here. Since a bar will already have sober staff and security, they can be armed against murderous intruders. After all, they have a duty to keep their patrons safe, you don't. Even better, they'll be at the front door, close to the intruder(*) and having a good line of sight. Their chance of missing or causing wrongful deaths is much lower.

      *: Mentally ill gunmen plan to stay until they empty their magazines; hence they start at the door and move around the interior. A 'drive-by' shooter will stay close to the entrance/exit and depart soon-after.

    8. Re:More guns, less bodies. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Let's start by toning down the hyperbole. No one is advocating that everyone be armed. Please stop repeating this.

      As long as there's people with guns and people without guns, there'll be situations where people without guns get mowed down by people with guns. And every single time the solution is more guns to more people in more places. Where does it end? Do you think a bunch of drunken people at a night club armed with guns is a good idea? You think 6-8 years olds with guns is okay? You think 9yos should be firing Uzis? There is no end for some people, not until every toddler and up is armed 24x7. Unless they don't want to, but then they're naive for not wanting to since they can't stop the bad guys. Yes, there are those who want to push guns into the hands of all that are reluctant too, just like they won't eat broccoli.

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    9. Re:More guns, less bodies. by gtall · · Score: 1

      Bzzzzt, wrong, there was an armed guard but he couldn't figure out who was shooting...you know, the lights, the dancing people, the noise.

      Alcohol and firearms...nothing could go wrong with that combination yes? Guns for everyone, everywhere, and woe betide the poor motherfucker who pisses off that guy packing his penis substitute and an attitude.

    10. Re:More guns, less bodies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Law enforcement officers shoot more bystanders than lawful carrying civilians do when defending themselves and others. There is a good reason for this however; law enforcement generally shows up in response to an incident while someone on the scene before the incident has more context and a greater potential for situational awareness.

      Or Law enforcement shoots more, outnumbering the carrying civilians by far, even aside from awareness issues. Note you said more bystanders are shot, which is different from more often they do shoot bystanders.

      Law enforcement officers are also less law abiding than civilians who are licensed to carry but maybe they have more opportunity to be convicted of crimes.

      There's no tracking I'm aware that specifically covers licensed civilians who are convicted of any crimes, let alone shooting related.

    11. Re:More guns, less bodies. by bigfinger76 · · Score: 1

      I said none of those things. You're falling for the slippery slope fallacy, and are simply too emotional to argue rationally.

      Tone down the hyperbole.

    12. Re:More guns, less bodies. by dave420 · · Score: 1

      "Drunk people in clubs should be armed" - brilliant. I'm sure that'll end wonderfully. The reason that place was a gun-free zone (apart from the security, who were armed, yet this happened anyway), is because drunk people have no business being armed in public. Your solution to terrorism seems to be to make non-terrorism gun deaths so high that people won't even notice the attacks.

    13. Re:More guns, less bodies. by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Then there's your answer. To make clubs safe from "bad guys with guns", they should all be brightly-lit rooms that serve no alcohol, that require a gun to be carried upon admission, and which have no flashing lights or music which impair the accuracy of shooting.

      "More guns" == "I haven't thought this through,but 'less guns' sounds scary as I love me some guns".

    14. Re:More guns, less bodies. by RuffMasterD · · Score: 1

      What proportion of the population do you have to arm before deaths from gun massacres drop to an acceptably low number? About a third of American households have access to a gun of some sort, at least some of the time, and massacres happen. I guess we both agree that some people should not be allowed to own firearms. Children, the infirm, the insane, anyone already convicted of a violent crime, and maybe anyone on a watchlist would quickly add up to a third of the population. So we could comfortably arm two thirds of the population. Would massacres reduce to near zero if the proportion of households with access to a gun doubled to two thirds? I suspect not, because someone who wants to commit a massacre could still choose a soft target such as a sport event, a TSA queue, or a school bus.

      And what would happen to the mundane everyday gun related deaths we hardly hear about? Wikipedia says there were just over 33,000 firearm related deaths in the US in 2013, excluding those from legal intervention because we don't want to skew the numbers ;-) So if we doubled the proportion of households with access to firearms to two thirds, then we would expect the number of gun related fatalities to double to about 66,000. Some of those deaths are from firearms massacres of course which might reduce, but we hear about those on the news immediately when they happen and off the back of my hand the numbers are nowhere near 33,000.

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    15. Re:More guns, less bodies. by bigfinger76 · · Score: 1

      Gun ownership numbers are irrelevant. It's having someone armed at the scene that counts.

      You have to actually allow a percentage of those firearms (the small, concealable ones) into these 'gun-free zones' that have been working out so wonderfully here lately. What that percentage should be is anyone's guess, but I'm betting it has to be greater than 0.

      As an American, I live in a country where people do not think twice when they see armed guards handling their money (armored truck personnel, bank guards, etc.), yet balk (often histrionically so) at the idea of using the same gear to protect their children in schools. We have some fucked up priorities here.

    16. Re:More guns, less bodies. by bigfinger76 · · Score: 1

      Also, over half of that 30,000 number are suicides. Counting those skews the numbers, so let's go with ~10,000 deaths per year.

    17. Re:More guns, less bodies. by imidan · · Score: 1

      Non-terrorism, non-suicide gun deaths are already so much higher than terrorism- or workplace- or hate- or school-related mass shootings that we shouldn't be noticing these things (as much as we are). In 2015, in the US, there were 22 mass shootings (defined as shootings where 4 or more people were shot). In these 22 incidents – which averaged about one every 16 days – 133 people were killed and 52 were wounded.* Around 10 times as many people are killed falling down stairs in the US each year.

      It seems clear that the true menace is staircases.

      Uh, please note that I'm not advocating for allowing drunken nightclub patrons to carry firearms.

      *http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2015/1214/2015-US-mass-shootings-The-sky-is-not-falling

    18. Re:More guns, less bodies. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Or Law enforcement shoots more, outnumbering the carrying civilians by far, even aside from awareness issues. Note you said more bystanders are shot, which is different from more often they do shoot bystanders.

      Actually (according to a study a few years back):

        - The numbers for civilians are NOT small enough to be statistical noise: Self-defenders shoot MORE perpetrators total than police do (even though most with-gun self defence incidents don't end up with the defender actually firing a shot.)
        - When they actually shoot somebody, police are well over five times more likely to shoot somebody improperly than civilians.

      In defence of the police: They come to active confrontations when they're well under way, and pretty much can't back out because it's their job to preserve the peace. They have to figure out quickly who the bad guy is, a process fraught with opportunity for error, and bring the confrontation to an end. Civilian self-defenders (and other-defenders) are generally in the stew from its start, have a very good idea what's happening, and get to bail out at any point when it's safe to do so. (Usually that's the whole POINT for them.)

      On the other hand, police rarely actually have to shoot. More than half of them go through their career without firing their service weapon except at the range

      Police are also notoriously rotten shots compared with armed civilians: Police generally only do the mandatory minimum practice required for qualification. (Some forces, such as San Francisco's, penalize, demote, or fire any officer who does additional practice shooting. Even among those who don't, the officers have a lot of stuff to learn besides using guns, skills they must use far more often.) Civilians, on the other hand, generally practice until they (and their instructors or advisors) are confident they know what they're doing.

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    19. Re:More guns, less bodies. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Law enforcement officers are also less law abiding than civilians who are licensed to carry but maybe they have more opportunity to be convicted of crimes.

      There's no tracking I'm aware that specifically covers licensed civilians who are convicted of any crimes, let alone shooting related.

      Actually, there's a lot of such studies (and the FBI keeps stats). You don't hear about them because with-gun crime among licensed gun owners is vanishingly small.

      For instance: After Florida went to shall-issue (one of the earliest states to do so - to try to quell a crime wave), they quickly had a half-million CCW licenses. (They're up to 1.38 million as of 2015.) The anti-gunners had predicted a bloodbath, and all eyes were on Florida. But it was several years (and thus a couple million man-years of carry) before a CCW holder was arrested for, and eventually convicted of, improperly shooting someone (in a traffic altercation) with his firearm. Turns out that the police had blown the background check: Under existing law this guy shouldn't have even been allowed to buy a gun, let alone carry it concealed.

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    20. Re:More guns, less bodies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The higher the number and quality of lethal armaments that are floating around in your country/city/town, the higher the body-count from an attack will be.

      The higher the percentage of the people carrying concealed weapons in your country/city/town, the higher the probability that one or more of the people in the targeted site can and will shoot back, incapacitating or killing the attacker(s) and aborting the carnage, and thus the lower the body-count from the attack will be.

      The higher the probability of such a counter-action, the less likely potential terrorists will chose to attempt the attack. The body count of an attack that doesn't occur is zero.

      Of course, if the venu is a gun-free zone, only the terrorist will have guns. In Florida, as with many states permitting concealed-carry, this is the case for establishments serving alcohol, such as Pulse. Oops!

      That's one reason I intend to retire in Nevada, which (as of the last time I renewed) doesn't block CCW in bars and casinos. B-)

      The higher the percentage of the people carrying concealed weapons in your country/city/town, the higher the probability that one or more of the people will use their weapon in anger. In the event of a terrorist attack, chances are that pulling out a gun will get you a priority target from the perpetrators. On a side note, is there any research done into whether victims of muggins/robberies are more likely to be shot in areas with a high level of ccw? I do know that owning a firearm increases the statistical probability that you will die to a gunshot (possibly skewed by suicides though).

      Secondly, yes, you may legally CCW in a bar or casino in Nevada but you can get charged with trespassing if the owner decides to ask you to leave due to you carrying and you do not leave. You also cannot get drunk (= 0.10 BAC) while carrying.

  18. EditorDavid are you scared? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you ever seen ISIS in America? no, right? But you've seen the US Government in your face before you posted this story.

    Say it. Are the CIA guarding you?

  19. Re:ISIS? What "ISIS"?.. by mi · · Score: 1

    Oh please, the Peace Prize is the popularity contest of the Nobel Prizes [...]

    So, you are saying, Obama could still be wrong despite having won the prize? Are we facing something organized, however loosely (and thus possibly predictable), or just random hate-crimes and work-place violence?

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  20. Not smart to reveal one's methods... by Timothy2.0 · · Score: 1

    ...and now ISIS operatives will curtail their social media activity in response to this.

    Great way to push ISIS communications underground where it'll be more difficult for alphabet soup agencies to analyze...

  21. If you want a conspiracy theory.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go check out the photos of Clinton out fishing with Bush. (Senior or Junior, I forget)

    Good ole' boy's club isn't just a conservative thing after all.

  22. Don't you mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alphabet (soup) Corporations? :)

    After all they were just a government front to skirt around those pesky civil rights issues, no?

    1. Re:Don't you mean... by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Alphabet (soup) Corporations

      Google make soup now?

  23. TSA by suss · · Score: 1

    Is it going to be more or less effective than TSA searches?
    If i remember correctly, they failed to find potentially dangerous objects in 92% of test cases...

  24. Trust us by axewolf · · Score: 1

    Mass surveillance will start working for terrorism now! It really will this time!
    Just forget about all the possible abuses. You should trust us with your freedom!

  25. Only a matter of time by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    After all, it was only a matter of time to name it after the guy who invented the internet, Al Gore.

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  26. Re: "may predict potential..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ^ naively credulous

  27. I can do that too! And far simpler... by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Here it is: Any place and any time there will be a potential terrorist attack. Oh, you want real predictions? Funny, this magic algorithm cannot deliver those either.

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  28. Re:ISIS? What "ISIS"?.. by Rockoon · · Score: 1

    You are right, how could the junior varsity team organize anything....

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  29. Re:Can't Stump The Trump by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

    would you like to know more?

  30. That is no evidenced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A lone nutter can always start firing anywhere. And if you allow people to carry conceal in a crowd, chance that there will start firing, others will confuse them with a lone nutter: after all they have no uniform or anything and the situation can be chaotic. Remember that people started realizing what was happening only after a while (not after the first bullet). Furthermore even trained cop miss their target. IIRC if it is not nearly at melee, at more than 10 feet in a crowd in movement (and by that point in panic)... Well let us say this transform into a losing proposition where you have more chance to hit the crowd than the nutter. Basically except the rare case of very sparse crowd (like you hear of when people stops a thief or a would be killer in a small shop) the crowd carrying gun stopping the nutter is a myth. In fact there was a cop in that Olrando club. And he started exchanged fire, then went out. He could not stop the nutter. Ask yourself why a non trained person would react in the fire exchange better.

    It is far more likely that within 30 to 60 seconds this transform in bullet storm. (by the way I amused myself by having a simulation where there where a varying percentage of a crowd carrying gun by increasing percentage of 5% starting from zero, a nutter, and a huge crowd of 300 persons, all densely about 1 person every 4 feet square. Then i gave that crowd a very generous "understand the situation" factor of 75% e.g. in 75% of the case they immediately react and understand what is happening and when they see 2 persons firing at each other they fire at the nutter (IMO would probably be more 50%), but in 25% they don't, and a miss factor rising semi linearly with distance. I am debugging it and once finished I wonder if I could release the result....).

  31. Scary... by heilbron · · Score: 1

    To me it seems these algorithms could be also used for monitoring (and later suppressing) the forming of ANY other political movement, too .... It is becoming more and more important that there are limits of what might be considered a"terrorist movement"! (Ofcourse, ISIS is one, but what about an unwanted political movement, e.g. in Turkey, Germany or Spain...)

  32. Re:ISIS? What "ISIS"?.. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    What does one have to do with the other?

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  33. So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... they were discussing and sharing information -- all in real-time.

    So really, they were watching the flow and spread of information. A lone wolf, or two or even three wolves is still 'under the radar'.

    ... preceded the onset of violence ...

    So they're using specific models to calculate a 'critical mass' where information-sharing turns into terrorist acts. Let's remind everyone: Observing the behaviour, changes the outcome. So this has a limited, useful life.

  34. Re:Algorithm: minus C minus I minus A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    modded down and blew cover.

  35. A government big enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A government big enough to provide everything you need is big enough to take everything you have.
    The progress of history shows that as government grows, liberty decreases.

  36. ROOT CAUSE by NewYork · · Score: 1

    Since 1971 OPEC is being bullied to sell Oil exclusively in US dollars resulting in friction between 1.8 billion Muslims Worldwide and The West;
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/...
    http://qz.com/562128/isil-is-a...
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...
    http://www.zerohedge.com/print...

  37. Red herrings by oldcarsmell · · Score: 1

    More propaganda, now trying to catch everyone who knows even a tiny bit about computers. Remember, if you're not a gun shootin', Bud drinkin', Jeezus worshippin', red-blooded 'MURICAN, the terrorists win.

  38. This will make things worse. by scatbomb · · Score: 1

    First of all, "terrorism" accounts for a vanishingly small percentage of deaths. We could and should completely ignore the issue with little or no ill effect. That would be my assessment if I were in charge, but I'm not. So instead here's my assessment of the "terror algorithm" idea...

    Here's the problem. We will find patterns in the noise because humans are genetically programmed to find patterns in anything and everything. We will use the patterns we find to "predict" things that already happened, and we will show how accurate our forecasting methods are using past data. The problem is that this is *past* data and the *future* is, by it's very definition, different than the past. Sure, our newfound prediction ability will be accidentally right sometimes (like a broken clock being right twice per day), but when it's wrong we will attribute the failure to a "fluke" that we will say is unlikely to repeat. The issue is that even if a particular fluke doesn't repeat, new flukes will arise. We are very bad at calculating risks and probabilities of unlikely events. Part of the reason is that it's very difficult to calculate the frequency (or even to be aware of the possibility) of something that has never happened before. Yet, just because it's never happened before doesn't mean it won't. If you want to learn more about this, I recommend reading "the black swan effect."

    Now, the reason this is bad is that we call our successful predictions "success" and call our failed predictions "flukes that won't happen again" and we become overly confident. We'll double-down on our algorithms. We'll double-down on labeling successes and disregarding failures. Then, one day, something we never saw coming will smack us and we'll be totally unprepared, having so much confidence in our predictive powers. This sort of thing happens from time to time - look at the algorithms that were used to calculate stock risk leading up to the financial crash in 2008 for a great example of overconfidence.

    TLDR: Algorithms are very bad at actually predicting infrequent/complex systems and will only lead to overconfidence that will exacerbate the issue.

  39. Now, now.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    let's not have ANY profiling of Muslims. I mean, the liberal idiots in this country will have a bloody fit.