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Google and Facebook May Be Suppressing 'Extremist' Speech With Copyright Scanners (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes this article from The Verge: The systems that automatically enforce copyright laws on the internet may be expanding to block unfavorable speech. Reuters reports that Facebook, Google, and other companies are exploring automated removal of extremist content, and could be repurposing copyright takedown methods to identify and suppress it. It's unclear where the lines have been drawn, but the systems are likely targeted at radical messages on social networks from enemies of European powers and the United States. Leaders in the US and Europe have increasingly decried radical extremism on the internet and have attempted to enlist internet companies in a fight to suppress it.

Many of those companies have been receptive to the idea and already have procedures to block violent and hateful content. Neither Facebook and Google would confirm automation of these efforts to Reuters, which relied on two anonymous sources who are "familiar with the process"... The secret identification and automated blocking of extremist speech would raise new, serious questions about the cooperation of private corporations with censorious governmental interests.

Reuters calls it "a major step forward for internet companies that are eager to eradicate violent propaganda from their sites and are under pressure to do so from governments around the world as attacks by extremists proliferate, from Syria to Belgium and the United States." They also report that the move follows pressure from an anti-extremism group "founded by, among others, Frances Townsend, who advised former president George W. Bush on homeland security, and Mark Wallace, who was deputy campaign manager for the Bush 2004 re-election campaign."

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  1. This is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    you are to draw the line at "no censorship".

    Apparently our brave and fearless leaders need to learn this the hard way, again.

    1. Re:This is why by bmimatt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Are you saying that criticism of leadership is 'mongering'? Are you high right now?

    2. Re:This is why by rdelsambuco · · Score: 2

      Shouting Aloha Snackbar! = yelling FIRE! in a crowded theatre?

      Yeah, I didn't vote on that, either.

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    3. Re:This is why by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nope. It's the ones who want to ban and censor everything that use fear mongering to justify their actions. Really, they just want to silence criticism of their own positions, whatever they are.

    4. Re:This is why by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We spend most of our time in privately owned spaces -- malls, web sites and so on. They may have the private property right to suppress speech, but it feels like increasingly repressive corporate rule.

      It's especially repugnant when ostensibly private spaces like shopping malls, built with public money, restrict speech. They *are* the public square now, and if you can't climb your soapbox there, nobody will see your message and you might as well stay at home.

    5. Re:This is why by rickb928 · · Score: 2

      I expect Internet search, social media, messaging services to be honest - if they claim to be impartial truthful, I expect them to show me results that are that.

      If they intend to filter or censor, just tell me.

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    6. Re:This is why by lgw · · Score: 2

      "Government censorship" is not redundant. Anyone with a channel can censor their channel. That's just what the word means. Google has a very important channel, so it matters when they censor it. Your yard signage is less important, but "censorship" nevertheless.

      It's not about "when is it censorship", because by definition it's "every time". It's about "what's the balance between the owner's rights and the community's rights". While I'm strongly biased in favor of the former, once enough of the community depends on you that you have some of the power of a government, then you accrue some of the matching obligations.

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    7. Re: This is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have to agree. There should be no reason a private entity should host or link to any content that they don't want.

      That's fine. However the moment they start curating content, they lose all grounds for safe harbour provisions in copyright law.

    8. Re:This is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except it's obvious that the targeted material does and has inspired many of the multiple terror attacks over the course of the past several years, as well as fueling the war in Syria which has killed tens of thousands and displaced millions.

      The temptation to continue the use of such tools once they have become accepted as given and therefore an unnovel concept is obvious. But just as obvious the potential benefit of saving lives. Real life is full of difficult decisions warranting more thought and knowledge than simple platitudes and absolutes.

      They aren't talking about the targeting speech of the islamists.

      They are talking about targeting the speech of the non-leftists in the West.

      YOUR speech will be censored. Not the other guy.

    9. Re: This is why by dnaumov · · Score: 3, Informative

      It stops mattering when the companies in question have a near-stranglehold on the flow of information received by the public.

    10. Re:This is why by budgenator · · Score: 2

      Most freedom movements were condemned as terror attacks by the evil incumbents. Question for you. Were google supporting Trump instead of Hilary, would it bother you that they're censoring things?

      Yes even though I hate Killary, I don't want my search engine to become part of the echo-chamber. I don't want my search engine to tell me what it thinks I want to see, I want what I ask for.

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    11. Re:This is why by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2

      Have you seen the number of times Google executives visited the White House during the current Administration? (Note: It is during the current Administration that Google rose to its current level of power as an arbiter of the Internet). Are you sure they are not "our brave and fearless leaders"?

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  2. unfavorable speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    this is and will be used to remove any "unfavorable speech" as they so well put it. no matter whether it be "extreme" or not.

    1. Re:unfavorable speech by TroII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm afraid you're correct. Once the framework is in place, we'll gradually see censorship moving from "radical ISIS propaganda" to "racist speech" to "questioning gender identity" to "consonants that make me uncomfortable today." It's already happening in some places; posting the term trigglypuff will get swallowed up by the memory hole on some sites, and get you outright banned from others.

    2. Re:unfavorable speech by Triklyn · · Score: 3, Informative

      100-200 vs 30 is not a brawl. that's one step away from a lynching.

      cops were there to protect the nazis, because the nazis had a fucking permit to assemble that day.

      yeah, very endearing counter-protesters.

  3. I'm assuming this would be "extremist"... by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    like, oh, pro-Brexit as an example.

    1. Re:I'm assuming this would be "extremist"... by TroII · · Score: 2, Informative

      they silently changed their algorithm

      And by "silently" you mean they announced the change in a thread that got more than 11,000 comments?

      so that anything from their Trump subforums can't hit the front page

      Bullshit. The Trump subreddit can still make the front page of /r/all, with one post at a time, same as any other subreddit. It's on there right now. What they can't do anymore is go on a voting brigade to take up a dozen slots on that page. Neither can the Sanders or Hillary subreddits, or the Sweden one, or any of a dozen others that have been annoying users lately.

  4. Freedom of Speech is dead. by Nyder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Truth is, Freedom of Speech is dead. We have news organizations that purposely change the message of new stories to fit their agenda. We have big internet companies pushing their political agenda via their services. We have the government watching everyone, under the guise of "our security and safety".

    Everything you say is watched, everything you post is noted. If it doesn't fit the agenda of who's in charge, it will be deleted, shadowbanned or you'll get a visit from the authorities, or just as bad, a DMCA/Court order.

    America was a nice place to live. Soon it might not be.

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  5. Unfavorable Speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Winston Smith: Does Big Brother exist?
    O'Brien: Of course he exists.
    Winston Smith: Does he exist like you or me?
    O'Brien: You do not exist.

  6. Enemies of [The West] by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

    So really this is not about certain speech, this is about the international companies Google and Facebook picking sides in some sort of cold war that is apparently starting up right this minute between the West and presumably the Asian, Slavic, and Middle Eastern governments.

    If an international company is going to pick a side and fire the opening salvo, it really should be under governmental and democratic oversight. We, the people of the US and Europe should have a say in who our enemies are and when, if, and how we start going after them.

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  7. Re:Extremism by epyT-R · · Score: 2

    Nothing. Just like making fun of people with imaginary 'genders.'

  8. Re:Extremism by rickb928 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the problem. What is 'extremist'?

    I suspect that if defined by the alleged victims, it will be at least the opinions of those they disagree with.

    And it becomes censorship.

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  9. Besides the whole censorship problem.. by Z80a · · Score: 2

    This is just sweeping the problem under the rug, instead of you know, solving it.
    All they will achieve is to push the extremists to less known and encrypted places, and make em a lot harder to watch for or infiltrate.