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Tour de France To Use Thermal Cameras To Spot Cheats (npr.org)

An anonymous reader writes: At this year's Tour de France, thermal cameras and various other tools will be used to detect "mechanical doping." The image tests can be done anywhere and their locations will not be publicized, according to officials. NPR reports: "As far back as at least 2010, accusations have flown that elite cyclists were turning in superhuman performances with the help of motors that are hidden inside their bike's seat tube. Commercial versions of such devices can provide a steady power stream of around 200 watts -- the lower range of a pro cyclist's average output in a stage race. They can also be set to assist riders automatically if their pedaling cadence falls below a certain threshold. Tour de France officials explain how the detection system will work: 'Developed by the CEA (the French Atomic Energy Commission), the method consists of using a thermal imaging camera capable of detecting mechanical anomalies on the riders' bikes. The checks can be made in the race and on the side of the roads.'"

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  1. Re: Xray bikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What metal? Road racing bikes are all carbon fiber now.

  2. cheating is expected by frovingslosh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If we gonna pretend to try to stop all of the cheating in professional sports we might as well do away with professional sports.

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    1. Re:cheating is expected by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Seriously, I think it's well past time we stop thinking of professional sports as some kind of special or noble endeavor, and acknowledge their "athletes" for what they really are: entertainers. Pro sports are a multi-billion dollar for-profit business. No actually, they're a collection of several multi-billion dollar for-profit businesses. And it's show business, pure and simple. Steph Curry's and LeBron James' jobs are not to put the ball through the hoop. It's not really David Beckham's job to kick the ball into the goal. And it's not the job of those 11 guys to put their ball in the end zone. In all cases, their real jobs are to put on a show that sells arena and stadium seats and puts eyeballs on the television screens.

      So why not just drop the pretense, acknowledge pro "athletes" for what they really are, quit obsessing about how they attain their performance levels, and just let them put on a good show? After all... We don't drug test Lady Gaga just after the Grammys, and take hers back if she tests positive for pot (Which she's admitted using, saying it makes her more creative.). Nor do we randomly drug test the Rolling Stones and suspend Keith Richards for the next ten tour dates if he tests positive for... well, it's Keith Richards. Take your pick.

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  3. Re: Xray bikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes. I see it done almost everyday. I'm a b pressure welder and the only way to test pipe welds without destroying the pipe itself is with xray or ultrasonic testing.

    Keep on pretending like you know what you're talking about though.

  4. Re: Xray bikes by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We are talking about penetrating a steel pipe not just looking a few mm down into a weld.

    No Tour de France bicycle has steel tubing.

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  5. Re: Xray bikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You are kidding right? It doesn't look for just cracks. Different strength sources and exposure tes are used depending on the alloy on the thickness of the metal. They take an xray that does the entire welds from the root pass to the cap. Thickest I've seen shot is an inch and a half. They have the ability to detect cracks, porosity, lack of fusion, pin holes, slag entrapment, undercut on the INSIDE of the pipe, double bead, hollow root, excessive penetration, and a few other things.

    You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. But please keep on pretending like you do.

  6. Re:all pro cyclists cheat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have no doubt that every cyclist who can afford such a motor is using one.

    They can all afford it, and I suspect almost none of them are using a motor.

    Doping, on the other hand, is rampant. And very little of it is ever caught.

  7. Tour de Cheat? by Gussington · · Score: 2

    Has any other sport ever been associated so much with cheating as cycling? It really is getting ridiculous.

    1. Re:Tour de Cheat? by penguinoid · · Score: 2

      It's a vicious cycle.

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    2. Re:Tour de Cheat? by TooManyNames · · Score: 2

      My favorite example was divulged in Lance's discussion with Joe Rogan. According to him (and, I guess, consider the source), cyclists have bitten down on a piece of cork tied to fishing line, pulled by a vehicle ahead. Getting pulled along by your teeth just to get a tiny bit extra seems right up there on the ridiculous meter.

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    3. Re:Tour de Cheat? by Vegan+Cyclist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This. A lot of professional sports, from baseball to wrestling, have systemic doping....the difference is cycling has clamped down on it, where many others still turn a blind eye. When they look, they'll find it as well.

    4. Re:Tour de Cheat? by just+another+AC · · Score: 2

      This. A lot of professional sports, from baseball to wrestling, have systemic doping...the difference is cycling has clamped down on it, where many others still turn a blind eye. When they look, they'll find it as well.

      Soccer? Rugby? Tennis? Golf? Yachting? I don't think it's as wide-spread as you think.
      Maybe some sports that require actual skill need drugs less, since drugs don't really help. In sports where it is simple endurance or strength then it does.

      Funny thing is that I find those strength/endurance type sports the least entertaining to watch.

      The GP said "a lot" of professional sports, not all. You list a few, that does not invalidate his point.

      Having said that, the sports you listed are BAD examples. They are not the ones "turning a blind eye" because they are under the same anti-doping initiatives as cycling etc. The examples the OP mentions are sports not signed up to the world anti-doping authority. Those include (AFAIK) baseball, wrestling, ufc, ...

      Even then there are still people who cheat when they think they can get away with it. Take tennis. It was only a couple weeks ago that Sharipova got banned because she had been cheating for years, but the code only caught up to ban her drug of choice recently.

      Weightlifting and track and field are another 2 sports like cycling - systemic doping that they are trying hard to stamp out. The result is Russia is not even going to the Olympics because of it!!!

    5. Re:Tour de Cheat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      True, it goes round & round. I mean who would pedal this kind of news?

    6. Re:Tour de Cheat? by dissolved · · Score: 2

      I feel Cycling is a skill sport but that's besides the point. I want to address the "skill sports" not needing drugs line which I think is a lie told so often it is accepted as the truth. For Soccer and Tennis - there is nothing to gain from catching doping. Absolutely nothing. If you catch drugs cheats in the Premier League you don't gain anything at all, you damage a multi-billion pound brand. This "skill sports" line is what everyone from the top to the bottom tells the public to deflect away.

      For soccer - There is evidence of Italian and British clubs using drug transfusions. There are videos of Cannavaro on Youtube while at Juve taking blood. Chelsea went public with reinfusing blood in the early 00's. There are testimonies of German internationals from the 70's being injected with everything and anything. If you can take EPO and be fresher in the 89th minute than the other team with no chance of being caught (remember, the blood testing is rare) then why wouldn't you?

      For tennis if you can take steroids or EPO and know you have little chance of getting caught you can train 2-3 times a day instead of the once - bringing massive strength and phenomenal endurance to the court for the sake of a good show. If you are glowing and a tester arrives you can hide in your panic room, even though it is the time and day you told the tester you would be at your house and then tell the world you thought you were being robbed (Williams) and people believe it because they don't want to believe the alternative.

      Rugby has the highest number of athletes serving drug suspensions in the UK. Players are having to take mid career breaks to recover from spending 80 minutes a week getting beaten up. At local amateur level banned substances are normal here, it's a level playing field almost.

      Cycling isn't clean, it's cleaner but there are still suspicious performances. It is a handy whipping boy though. During the whole Olympic scandal last year the first question of the first interview I heard on the BBC spoon-fed the party line to the interviewee from British Athletics along the lines of "do you think you will become as bad as cycling?". How can you answer yes to that? Why would you spit in the soup and admit you have a problem when you can just bring cycling into it?

      I feel very strongly about this as a sports fan in general who prefers Cycling. The hypocrisy is infuriating.

  8. Re:What about drug testing? by ls671 · · Score: 2

    But, but, I Soviet Russia, we get barred from the Olympic Games.

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  9. Re:cheaper way by dunkelfalke · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not quite right. UCI sets a minimum weight of a bike (6.8 kg), but enough technologies exist to make bicycles much lighter than that. If you don't want to compete, you can build a 3.38 kg bicycle, which is half the minimum weight. There are full suspension mountain bikes that come close to the UCI limit FFS. You won't be able to feel the motor inside one of these.

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  10. Re:Looking for liars by jcr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Pretty sure that thermal imaging would be highly effective in detecting pants on fire.

    -jcr

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  11. Re: Xray bikes by adhdengineer · · Score: 2

    you shouldnt let your phone drink whiskey.

  12. Re:What about drug testing? by Shoten · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why not make them display what they use? That way we'd at least get to see what stuff works.

    At what point would they do this, exactly? And what would keep them from swapping out the bike before/after?

    I get a feeling that a lot of the people commenting on this article have never actually watched professional cycling. They all say "the bike" like there's only one bicycle in use here; in fact, multiple types of bikes are used, as well as multiple instances of each bike. Watch the support cars; you'll see spare wheels and even entire spare bikes on some of them. So playing a shell game whereby you swap an inspected bike out with one that hasn't been checked...and then, before the finish line, swap them back again...would be relatively simple.

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  13. Re:What about drug testing? by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Personally, I think they should do away with team cars. There's too much furniture on the road anyway, and things are getting unsafe. Have neutral service cars with spare wheels, which are pretty much all compatible at this point.

    If your whole frame breaks, or some other crucial part such that you need a new bike, they should just be forced to take a neutral service bike so they can finish the stage, but I don't see much reason why somebody should feel the need to win the stage if their bike breaks half way through the stage. Note that it has happened that somebody went on to win the stage on a teammate's bike that was the wrong size.

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  14. Re: Xray bikes by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

    I've seen a lot of tour bikes, and I don't think I've ever seen a single TdF bike that had a single piece seat tube. You might be more likely to see something like that in a triathlon like the IronMan, where the rules are quite a bit more relaxed on what they can do with their bikes. Pro road riders want millimeter accuracy of the seat height on the bike, and if the entire seat tube was a single piece, a different bike would have to b e made specifically for each rider, which is not how things are done. They may get a custom paint job, but the actual frames they are riding are the same ones you and I can go buy in the store if you have the cash.

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  15. Re:So what by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

    Especially the collisions!

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  16. other cheats come to mind by DriveDog · · Score: 2

    "Mechanical doping" reminds me of the infamous 1973 Soap Box Derby cheat.

  17. Re:What about drug testing? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    I have a simple solution for all of this: you get one bike to finish the stage, and whatever tools and parts you can carry with you. That's it.

    If your bike breaks and you can't fix it yourself on the side of the road with the tools you're carrying, you don't finish, or you can walk.

    This whole idea of having support cars and spare bikes just defeats the whole point of cycling. If you're in a car race and your engine blows up, you don't get to swap out to another car. So why should you get to swap out to another bike? When I'm taking a long-distance trip on my bike, if it breaks, I better have the tools with me to fix it or else I'm walking, unless I'm lucky enough to be near a bike shop (not likely). The only support car they should have in this race is a truck that picks up failed riders and their broken bikes who decide to throw in the towel.