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BMW, Intel, Mobileye Partner On Self-Driving Cars, 'Turning Point For Automotive Industry': Reports (bloomberg.com)
BMW, Intel, and Mobileye NV are working to develop autonomous-car technology, reports Bloomberg, citing multiple sources. Senior executives from each company will hold an event on Friday to discuss the driverless-vehicle initiative, the report adds. From the article:Jerusalem-based Mobileye has been an early leader in providing cameras, software and other components that allow vehicles to see the world around them. BMW has been a client of Mobileye, along with General Motors Co. and Tesla Motors Inc. As automakers and their suppliers race to create systems to replace human drivers, most companies are betting on some form of artificial intelligence, which requires powerful processing.Reuters, citing one source, reports the same thing. The announcement will be a "turning point for the automotive industry," Amnon Shashua, the chairman and co-founder of Mobileye.
The dumb fat Americans will never give up driving their cars and the supposed freedom. Europe will finally get around to banning all cars since they're moving in that direction. Both are terrible ideas economically. However, it will further the already imminent collapses of the US and EU, ad evidenced by the Brexit and the bankruptcy of Puerto Rico. To fill this economic and political void, Canada will become the world's next dominant superpower. O Canada!
Didn't microsoft buy the technology for the kinect from them?
This stuff does not work in real world conditions because AI is still not even in infancy (infants are orders and orders of magnitude smarter than best current AI). Even the relatively simple lane watching stuff has tons of problems. Google is largely responsible for the BS, but you can search high and low for a _single_ repeatable bit of evidence of a vehicle truly doing anything as complicated as driving a novel route on it's own.
Driverless cars = OK!
Driverless cars that exist to report on every place I travel and when I travel there back to the company that sold me the car, their "family of partner companies", the ad agencies thosefirms "partner" with, the FBI, the NSA, and whoever else = NOT OK!
Driverless cars with "license agreements" that can be revoked at any future point when it's decided my car is no longer "supported", in effect giving a 3rd party veto power over whether I can use my car = NOT OK!
They'll get it wrong. You'll see.
1. Check braking and steering systems.
2. Check GPS and vision systems.
3. Check occupants for warrants and debt payments; lock out manual overrides, door handles, and re-route final destination as necessary.
Is this the tipping point for electric cars?
Is this the turning point for self driving cars?
No, and no. It's all bullshit.
The first "jobs" casualty will be truck drivers.
Fleets of long-haul cargo trucks, going between a limited number of specialized terminals or loading docks, on major roadways and well-maintained commercial access roads, under lowered speed limits and other tightly-constrained legal behavior requirements, without tight constraints on transit time, are easier to automate than herds of passenger cars, and have an economy-of-scale at the owner level.
Imagine a truck on a roadway, going from one loading dock to another, as an elevator car, or a "people-mover" style unmanned train.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
I will continue to drive my own car thank you very much. I spend the entire rest of the day staring at some damn screen or another, and the last thing I need is a self driving car so I can read Slashdot comments on my way home from the office.
Wait.... Okay maybe...
I am not interested in articles about life extension advancements.
>> (thing) that exist to report on every place I travel and when I travel there back to the company that sold me the car, their "family of partner companies", the ad agencies thosefirms "partner" with, the FBI, the NSA, and whoever else = NOT OK!
So...you'll be turning in your cell phone later today then?
So...you'll be turning in your cell phone later today then?
No, I'm afraid that is not possible, because I do not own one. I have a landline. As far as I know it does not report my travels to anyone. My family knows my whereabouts at all times throughout the day, and that is everyone who needs to know.
But even if I DID have one, adding even more parties to the list who have no reason to hold that data is undesirable. There is at least a nominal reason for the phone company to learn where you are: your phone must talk to the cell tower. There is NO reason for a car company to track all of your driving. For example, my current car works fine, and it does not do this. Neither does anything about the concept of "self driving car" require it. But you can bet it will get piggybacked on!
Geez man..why not post with your name so I could give you some mod points? I don't generally give points to AC's.....but I'm spot on in agreement with your points here, you make some good ones!!
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
That hardline may not report your travels, but it sure announces you are home when you pick it up to order that pizza from the couch in mom's basement. I'm guessing you don't get out much so there is nothing to report....
The best AI I've seen is stuff that uses techniques which are easy on resources.
The holy grail of AI is something that can run with limited resources and give you reasonably good results and from what I've seen that's not beyond the state of the art today. In fact, I personally think the advancement in AI will only take place once we forget this foolish notion that we can field brut force algorithms for stuff like driving cars where the range of 'acceptable' solutions is pretty wide given a 6 foot wide car going down a 10 foot wide lane. We don't even do that for trains yet, and you don't have to manage the steering wheel, just the throttle and brakes on those things.
Tell me, how do YOU drive a car? Do you have a better than HD set of cameras scanning the area around the car to 1/4" tolerances? Absolutely not. Why do we think we need to brute force this problem in order to do it on a computer? Something tells me we have over engineered this if Intel thinks they will be selling more processing power by being involved.
I get the devil is in the details, but watching my 16 year old learn how to drive does not tell me this is problem takes huge amounts of processing power...
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It's popular on Slashdot to loudly pronounce that strong AI is impossible. This is different from years past. I take the change to mean that it's coming very soon. As it seems more inevitable people who don't want change (whether out of fear, distrust, or sour grapes) will decry AI more.
Now weak AI isn't just coming. It has arrived. And Moore's law was supposed to have stopped years ago but supercomputers and video cards are still on a logarithmic slope for performance and price. The human brain is estimated to calculate between 100 petaflops and 1 exaflop. I know that's not a good metric but for this purpose it suffices. But as performance keeps doubling and doubling it becomes more evident that even the highest estimates are a question of a few more doubling periods. And the highest estimates assume direct one-to-one simulation of each neuron. Consider how many neurons are used for breathing, processing vision, and other things that either aren't needed in a machine or have already been done at a much lower computational cost on silicon.
It's true we don't know everything about how the human brain works. But recent progress is undeniable in terms of success stories. Jeopardy. Go. Commodity trading. Corporate resource balancing. Piloting. To keep shouting that strong AI is impossible is to only betray one's own insecurity. You are not special. Your brain doesn't run on quantum magic. You have no soul. Fucking deal with it.
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
Your current car doesn't give away your location?
Do you have remotely any idea how many orbital cameras, network-accessible cameras, aerial drone surveillance cameras you drive past in a given minute?
orbital cameras
[citation needed] (and a credible one) that orbital cameras are tracking the location of cars and selling this information to data-broker companies.
Not a citation that orbital cameras can merely *see* cars. That is clear. A citation that supports the claim.
Why the fuck would they use orbital cameras? They just use standard cameras mounted on police cars and on the side of the road, read in your license plate and store your location in a database. If the man wants to know where you've been, he'll know.
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Enigma
I don't think those are legal in my jurisdiction.
Nope.
Kinect is based on a technology by PrimeSense which couple 2 cameras.
- one regular one for colors
- one infrared one for depth
Mobileye is a manufacturer of monoscopic cameras.
Their software works on pure flat image that (apparently) where depth is infered from a projection.
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Imagine a truck on a roadway, going from one loading dock to another, as an elevator car, or a "people-mover" style unmanned train.
Some countries (hello switzerland) have already replaced huge portions of the trucks traffic with actual trains.
(Well manned train. With an operator paying close attention if anything goes wrong with the semi-automated high-speed train)
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Got a solution to the above? Let me answer for you - no you dont.
- One already possible solution is to have the first truck in a convoy being still maned (a la Tesla: autopilot but with human supervisor) and the human can still be in charge of the whole convoy if anything happens.
- Other possible solution would be to subcontracts handling of such problems to 3rd party companies operated by actual humans.
If the robotruck notice anything bizare, it can summon an operator to come check at it.
- More sensors, more redundancy, higher level of controls.
such robotruck could detect anomalies very early and could automatically ask for a check at the next station they stop by.
or could still operate with one blown tire until the next station.
Autonomus trucks are a bigger fucking pipedream than autonomous cars - it isnt going to happen fo 30 years at least.
Meanwhile, high speed european trains have seen lots of automation happen.
It's a different use case (e.g.: trains don't have tires that can blow up), but it still an example of a serious commercial application where the necessary staff has progressively shrunk.
There are strong advantages and economic incentives for robotruck, so it is bound to happen.
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