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'UpgradeSubscription.exe' File In Preview Build Hints At Windows 10 Subscriptions (zdnet.com)

An anonymous reader writes: A file named "UpgradeSubscription.exe" is found buried in the System32 folder of Windows 10 build 14376, alongside 590 other .exe files. ZDNet reports the file has been part of other recent preview builds, but just recently uncovered. "In the file's properties, it's described as the Windows Upgrade to Subscription Tool, and its date and time stamp corresponds to other administrative tools in the same build," reports ZDNet. You can view the screenshot here. Microsoft responded to ZDNet saying: "The Windows Upgrade to Subscription tool, found in the latest Windows Insider builds, helps to manage certain volume licensing upgrades from Windows 10 Pro Anniversary Update to Windows 10 Enterprise. This binary file is not associated with the free consumer upgrade offering nor is it applicable to consumer Windows editions." When pressed for additional details, Microsoft responded with, "No further comment." While the file does nothing, it does appear to confirm that it's related to licensing, referencing a registry value called AllowWindowsSubscription. Build 14376 reveals a few references to servicing packages named Microsoft-Client-License-Platform-Upgrade-Subscription-Package. Last year, there was some talk about Windows 10 being the last version of Windows as Microsoft is pushing a "Windows as a service" vision. When news broke in April about Windows Phone's sharp revenue declines, PCWorld reported that CEO Satya Nadella's strategy is to grow Microsoft's revenues by convincing customers to adopt its paid subscription services.

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  1. This is it! The year of the Linux desktop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Welcome the Windows refugees with open arms.

    1. Re:This is it! The year of the Linux desktop! by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Sigh....how to write a Linux virus in 5 easy steps along with the follow up rebuttal that shows its actually easier than the author first thought, using NOTHING but the exact.same.tricks. used on Windows users. And please note we have already seen these kinds of tricks DO work on Linux users, the KDELook bug anyone? Or the infected Quake 3 that sat in a repo for nearly a year?

      The moral of the story is this...there is no such thing as a secure OS if the user has control of the system because the user is frankly the easiest part of any system to exploit. think the PCs I see infected at the shop got that way from Windows exploits? Nope they ALL end up that way from a variation of the classic "dancing bunnies problem". You make your malware look like something the user really wants, user bypasses the security to get it, user gets pwned....what part of that required a specific OS? Oh yeah NONE because it has jack and squat to do with the OS, its exploiting the USER.

      So hold on to that dream pal, the insane number of Android infections, which just FYI hit the million infected mark 3 times faster than Windows hit that milestone, has driven a stake through the lie that the Linux kernel somehow has magical anti-malware powers. You move say 10 million windows users to Linux so its a target worth hitting? it'll be pwned before the holiday weekend is over.

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    2. Re:This is it! The year of the Linux desktop! by TangoMargarine · · Score: 2

      This thing you linked only compromises one user and is trivial to kill off if you know where to look.

      And every time they print one of those "OMG LINUX IS TEH TOTALLY HAXXED THIS TIME" articles it turns out "...assuming the user is dumb enough to run this script with root privileges, even though basically all distros don't give them to you by default unless you elevate." And if you download and run a random thing you get in an email as root, you really deserve what you get :P

      The moral of the story is this...there is no such thing as a secure OS if the user has control of the system because the user is frankly the easiest part of any system to exploit.

      Well I would still much rather have control than be locked out of everything a la SecureBoot, TPM, hardware whitelists, etc.

      Oh, hi, hairyfeet. Almost didn't notice it was you.

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    3. Re:This is it! The year of the Linux desktop! by TangoMargarine · · Score: 2

      Also as admitted by the author, it's not actually a virus, but malware. Which I would assume means it doesn't spread, considering the infection vector is convincing the user to install it themselves.

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  2. Now you see why its free and being pushed so hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The first one is always free.

    Suckers.

  3. This was expected by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Windows 10, according to Microsoft, has always had mainstream support ending October 13, 2020, and extended support ending October 14, 2025. Various sites reported this a year ago, but people forgot, I guess.

    Since this was the "last windows you'll ever buy", that meant that the next one would have to be a "rental-only" version.

    I wouldn't be surprised if 10 includes a time bomb to deactivate at it after it goes out of support.

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    1. Re:This was expected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Windows 10. So many issues it now has subscriptions.

    2. Re:This was expected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Correct. They couldn't disable it. They could start showing you ads if you don't subscribe though.

      Listen, the real lesson here is that, like it or not, Stallman was right. I'm not speaking as an FSF fan or Free software zealot either.

      Linux is your only viable escape from this. Apple isn't. Android isn't. It's starting to dawn on the masses that Stallman saw something 30+ yeas ago that they are only just beginning to understand. Those who control the source code, control you (see also, Volkswagon and the emissions scandal).

      It's happening all the time.,You only find out about a tiny number. You can't stop them unless you have the source code and the means to modifying the system.

      Call it the right to repair, the right to tinker, the right to hack. Whatever.

    3. Re:This was expected by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 2

      This has been expected for /decades/. I remember reading an article in PC World magazine where Bill Gates commented on how he'd like Microsoft to move to a subscription-based service, comparing it directly to cable companies (this was back in 1993 or so, so you'll pardon me if I don't have the exact issue and quote). The infrastructure and customer acceptance didn't make this possible - the Internet was only just starting to enter the public eye - , so it was just a pipe-dream back then. But Microsoft plays a long game and a lot of their actions make a lot more sense if you view them through the lens of slowly and carefully pushing people to an era where they pay a monthly fee to use their computers.

      This is just the next move in a long, long strategy.

  4. Subscription depends on how it is done... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I subscribe to Office 365, I quite like the model actually...

    I have multiple computers and being able to install Office and have it always up to date, along with 5 OneDrive accounts with plenty of storage is totally worth it to me.

    Windows as a service could work, if done right. The key is to take into account those people who have more than 2 or 3 computers and to provide an inexpensive way to grow that number (which Office 365 really doesn't under one account).

    But really it needs to be on a per-user basis, so I can install Windows on as many computers as I want, so long as my first log-in is and remains the primary account. Remove that account and the "activation" goes away. Perhaps the primary account needs to log-in once every 30 days to keep it active?

    1. Re:Subscription depends on how it is done... by lucm · · Score: 5, Informative

      I wish OneDrive was a better product though. Ever tried to sync large OneDrive folders between two machines on your local network? Unlike Dropbox it doesn't seem to realize that there's no need to do a roundtrip to an Oregon server to copy files between computers that are two feet apart.

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    2. Re:Subscription depends on how it is done... by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't like this, and I don't use Office 365 for this exact reason. Software as a service makes no sense at all for individuals. For corporations, sure. RENTING shit is generally a fucking waste of money. At the end of the day, you have nothing.

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    3. Re:Subscription depends on how it is done... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd rather just use OpenOffice.org or LibreOffice than paying Microsoft $100 or more. I'm still using Windows, but if Microsoft decides that all future Windows computer sales need a monthly "Windows license fee" to operate then I'll look into a Mac or will buy a Windows laptop and will put Linux on it.

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    4. Re:Subscription depends on how it is done... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      I'd rather buy office and use an out of date version for years and years than have to be constantly feeding the meter to do any work

      And you can, they still offer that option and likely will for at least the next few years...

      Apache office, the only cross platform compatible Office suite.

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    5. Re:Subscription depends on how it is done... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 4, Informative

      Apache office, the only cross platform compatible Office suite.

      Sure, but not with MS Office which is really the only one that counts...

      Yes, I've tried the other options, they "kinda sorta work" most of the time, sometimes, often, but not 100% of the time...

      When you exchange Word, Excel, and PowerPoint files with other people, edit them, then send them back, they have to be perfect.

    6. Re:Subscription depends on how it is done... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I subscribe to Office 365, I quite like the model actually...

      You've never upgraded software only to find a feature you rely on has been removed, or that it no longer opens some old document format from your archives like the previous version did? And you're OK with having no control over the version you run in the event you would like to keep that feature or open those documents?

      Do you really trust that Microsoft will let you access your data indefinitely, or will they start rolling out fees to open documents?

      You are completely off your rocker.

    7. Re:Subscription depends on how it is done... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can use office 365 online, and you can use it on Linux or OSX too.

      First, no you really can't use the online versions in a professional environment... yes, they work fine in a pinch, but if you're building or editing a 143 slide PowerPoint, that is just painful.

      Desktop applications exist for a reason.

      Also, this has nothing to do with Windows vs Linux vs OSX, it has to do with MS Office in general.

    8. Re:Subscription depends on how it is done... by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Even for some corporations it can be a waste of money to rent versus own. If a company keeps the same version of Office for several years, or keeps multiple versions of it, then buying will probably be cheaper than renting. Corporations do not need cloud support and a sane corporation will forbid using it. However there are those companies that do everything Microsoft asks of them on cue, and they'll probably save money via renting versus buying every new release that comes out.

      For a home user though, paying maybe $140 for Office 2013 versus a $100/year subscription to Office 365 is a no brainer - if you use it for two years you're saving money already. If you keep it for ten years you save a ton of money. All you lose are cloud services but you can get that without going through Microsoft's crappy service and most people will never need a cloud service. It's really a ridiculous model just based on the cost.

  5. Re: Goodbye Subscription Windows..... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3, Funny

    It sounds like you almost already have.

  6. New computers will probably come with 3 years... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can see a time when you go buy a new computer and it comes with Windows on it and 3 years of "free" updates and support, with the option to pay X dollars per year after that to get continued updates...

    This way people who don't need to buy a new computer can, at least for awhile, continue to use that machine and keep it current...

    The question is, how much per machine, or per user, per year?

    $5 per machine per year might be reasonable, or perhaps $20 per user for up to 5 machines, or perhaps a family licence for $50 per year for 25 machines and 10 users...

    I imagine they won't be that generous, but they would be smart to do so to soften the blow when they roll it out. Either way, the idea of selling Windows and giving away 10 years of free updates is probably not going to survive, whatever comes next...

  7. Exactly! by p51d007 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's what I've been saying since 10 was announced as a "free" upgrade from 7/8. Soon as they get enough people updated, via hook or crook, they'll adopt a PAID subscription. Adobe did it. On one had, it's not a bad business model, as you can pretty much know what your revenue stream from month to month, year to year will be, but, as with Adobe Photoshop, I'll just hang onto CC6 for a while longer.

    1. Re:Exactly! by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

      It was a "free upgrade" to a paid service. Such a deal!

      "You know that thing you have that you use all the time? Well, we've got an even shittier one that you'll have to pay for, but we'll let you upgrade to it for free!"

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    2. Re:Exactly! by Khyber · · Score: 2

      "We need proper 4k support"

      Proper '4k' support has been in Photoshop since the 90s. I've worked with imagery 2x-4x that resolution since the days when JASC's Paint Shop Pro was actual competition.

      "some of the modern tools that CS6 lacks"

      Almost everything Photoshop does is lock-step with what GIMP does (GIMP had picture healing and other features first.) How about you get used to a new UI and go with something free?

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    3. Re:Exactly! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Isn't this illegal where you live? This kind of bait-and-switch on something that was specifically advertised as a "free upgrade" to your non-subscription product would likely result in an investigation by Trading Standards in the UK.

      Having said that, I doubt they will make the basic OS subscription based. More likely it will be select features, like XBox Live or maybe streaming through the Windows Store or whatever it's called. Office is already available as a subscription, along with cloud storage. The freebies you used to get like an email client and video editor will probably become subscription features too.

      Hay, here's an idea, a subscription to turn off the spyware and advertising. Call it Windows 10 Premium - almost as good as Windows 7!

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    4. Re:Exactly! by dave420 · · Score: 2

      This is for enterprise licensing, not home users. And the spyware thing seems to have been completely overblown, with a few hints of genuinely inappropriate data being sent around turning into claims of Microsoft hoovering up your entire hard disk and sending it to their HQ.

    5. Re:Exactly! by ReeceTarbert · · Score: 4, Informative

      It was a "free upgrade" to a paid service. Such a deal!

      What part of

      "The Windows Upgrade to Subscription tool, found in the latest Windows Insider builds, helps to manage certain volume licensing upgrades from Windows 10 Pro Anniversary Update to Windows 10 Enterprise. This binary file is not associated with the free consumer upgrade offering nor is it applicable to consumer Windows editions."

      Did you miss?

      I know, picking on Microsoft is still popular, even rightly so at times, and they might as well be lying or maybe tell the truth now and make a 360 later on, but still...

      RT.

  8. Re:What Will "Cancel My Subscription" Do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    It will encrypt all your data until you buy a license key. If you kept backups, the FBI will arrest you as a terrorist and you'll go to jail for 20 years. Hans Reiser will be your cell mate. Richard Stallman will visit every 3rd Tuesday to gloat about how he warned you in 1997 and you didn't listen.

  9. Re:Goodbye Subscription Windows..... by zenlessyank · · Score: 4, Funny

    Then you can change your name to WindowsIsGarbager.

  10. IT is all bout by M0j0_j0j0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is all about rent seeking, the ultimate business model! Let's see what happens to all those free upgrades from pirated editions, popcorn ready.

  11. Again by sjames · · Score: 5, Funny

    MS is poised to once again make a Moderately funny joke into reality.

    1. Re:Again by mridoni · · Score: 2

      From the linked article/joke:

      Be on the lookout for products like Microsoft Mugging, which either takes $50 or erases your hard drive

      Well, it didn't come from Microsoft, but in the end this sadly came true

  12. Re:Goodbye Subscription Windows..... by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

    You could always use OSX. However I don't trust that one day Apple won't start verifying the hardware is genuine and your install stops working.

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  13. Full virtualization rights? by Powerbear · · Score: 2

    I would be interested in Windows subscriptions if it included full virtualization rights. As it is now, licensing Widows for virtualization is a clusterfsck.

  14. Re:Windows for rent by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That is already happening. I can't open my old Cubase files. So far Microsoft has been pretty good about that. I can still open documents made in Office 4.3. Anyway, so why not reduce the in-house bureaucratic workload? And besides, it will be easier to hold Microsoft responsible for any security problems. Leasing software is the best options for a business, not only for bureaucracy, but liability also. It's much easier to pass the blame, and kick the lawsuits down the road.

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  15. Re:Office365 -- Windows365 by Sir+Holo · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's not too shocking right?

    I'm in the market for a new kitchen table. Any ideas on where I can rent one for the next 20–30 years?

  16. Re:No surprise by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2, Informative

    I I told you all this was coming last year and you laughed at me.

    Mostly because you're a silly punce.

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  17. Re:Goodbye Subscription Windows..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah yeah, this is what people were saying they were going to do when Windows Me came out...switch to Linux. Then again when Windows Vista came out. Then again when Windows 8 came out. Then again when Windows 10 came out. But it doesn't happen, still any Windows story on here gets the same comments and the same furious people with the empty threat of saying they will move to other operating systems.

    Seriously for all the pontificating about how great Linux (and FreeBSD) is and all the anecdotes about "i put it on my family members' computer and they love it" the stories about Windows should be pretty devoid of those furious comments by now. I'm predicting that much like every other thing Microsoft has done that has created the faux backlash here, this won't change their usage share at all. They could ship Windows with a camera that they shove up your ass and ultimately you'd still use it, it's sad that that is the case and effort and money should instead be spent on making desktop Linux (or FreeBSD) a truly viable alternative but I doubt that will happen.

  18. Hey Nadella by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nadella - if you are reading this thread?

    Piss off.

    There is no way on God's Green Earth that I will ever pay a subscription fee for an operating system.

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  19. Re:Don't accept abuse! by maugle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the context, it's supposed to be read as "it's not a bad business model for the companies doing it", what with the mention of revenue streams.

  20. Re:Nope. by chipschap · · Score: 3, Informative

    My use of Windows has decreased so much that I boot my Windows partition once a month or less. Very little I can't do on Linux Mint except maybe play some games, which frankly don't make it worth the effort to boot Windows and worry about stealth updates, telemetry, and all the rest. Subscription model? They'll never get a cent from me for subscriptions.

  21. Re:Office365 -- Windows365 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not too shocking right?

    I'm in the market for a new kitchen table. Any ideas on where I can rent one for the next 20–30 years?

    I recommend getting the pro version, I got the home premium one first but it was too wobbly because they disable one leg.

  22. Re:Goodbye Subscription Windows..... by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

    Hello FreeBSD

    And hello, Linux Mint.

    I could be wrong, but I just don't think most people want to pay and pay and pay for Windows forever.

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  23. But for how long? by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 2

    Rent seeking is not what you think it is. But I get your point. Such a "rental" model isn't going to last long when we're in the final days of the unholy Roman empire. In the jobless future, the only business that'll matter is show business. Yes, games and porn, the better to keep the masses from revolting.

    So here's my advice to Nadella, Sell off Office and your other enterprise software businesses soon be made obsolete by Big Data AI. Focus on the Xbox, VR, etc. Your main costumer is going to be the government, the .001 percent, who will do everything in their power to remain in power. An entertained population fed with the minimum necessary to keep their stomachs growling will the prime objective.

  24. Ugh, NO - that file is the edition changer by slacklinejoe · · Score: 2

    Win 10 let's us do Workplace Join which can let us upgrade and activate an edition upgrade from Windows Home or Windows Pro to Windows Enterprise. This let's folks use their home computer but still use things like Bitlocker and DirectAccess which aren't part of Home. The way it works is we provide an edition change package, look up the Windows 10 Provisioning Package. Rather than relying on your home computer talking to the on-prem KMS, it uses essentially an old school MAC key for temporarily activating an upgrade. Once the PC is removed from the company's workplace join, it removes that edition. The goal is to let employees use any device they care to in order to get their work done and allow the company to reclaim that edition upgrade once they leave that role. Why MS insists on calling it a subscription, I'm not sure, but it probably has more to do with the fact that to have the Enterprise version, you have to have an EA agreement and a Software Assurance. Basically no, it's not what you think and the Microsoft response is reasonably accurate it's just the word subscription that should be replaced with the word "Activation." [Note, I'm a consultant who does Intune/Configuration Manager so I'm actively deploying these packages that do this with clients today.]

  25. Re: Goodbye Subscription Windows..... by DebianDog · · Score: 2

    The day I loaded Windows ME is the last time Microsoft got a penny of my money. I have actually been pretty happy with Macs and Linux over the years. I use Windows at work so I'm not totally out of the loop. On a whim I put Windows 10 on a virtual machine. Honestly... I think it's the best, most stable, operating system Microsoft has come out with in a long time. Once you rip out Cortana and remove all the spyware Microsoft puts in there, it is quite nice.

  26. Re:Goodbye Subscription Windows..... by Rob+Y. · · Score: 2

    ,,,or, Windows users could opt to stick with Windows 7 indefinitely. A successful Windows 10 subscription model assumes that people want to stay current with new Windows features. But if all the Windows-specific apps they use are legacy Win32 apps, there will never be a meaningful Windows upgrade for those users. Since most new apps are browser, Android or iOS based, Win32 + Chrome is the desktop platform with the apps.

    Microsoft has not succeeded in getting the lions share of developers to rewrite their apps to the new Metro API's, so Windows 7 will continue to run any Win32 app as well (or better, depending on the continued commitment to backward compatibility) as Windows 10 or its successors. We're coming to a time where there is no market for operating systems that you have to pay for. Yes, new computers come with an OS that was paid for, and in most cases, that's still Windows. Assuming that the subscription model for upgrades is optional, nobody will buy it - because the OS that came with their computers is fine, as long as it gets security patches. And if Microsoft starts requiring a paid subscription for security patches, they may find a lot of resistance.

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  27. Re:Goodbye Subscription Windows..... by thoromyr · · Score: 2

    While some may find it annoying that there are not two keys dedicated to the function, despite persistent claims to the contrary you can both backspace and delete on a mac. It is achieved by using a modifier key (the apple key, in this case). Really, a worse complaint is the lack of arrow keys. In both cases it comes down to how many keys you can fit onto a keyboard of a certain size while keeping the keys large enough to be useful.

    In other news, apple doesn't put a top row of special keys on the keyboard (like Dell does) and instead uses the function keys. To actually get a function key you have to use the Function modifier key. I find this annoying and it makes it easy to change display brightness when trying to contort for some god-awful keyboard shortcut (there's one I use frequently that is a horrible mashup of *four* modifier keys plus the key being modified -- and there is no menu equivalent, it is the keyboard or nothing).

    Backspace and delete? Only weenies who don't use apple computers would complain about that.

  28. Re:Goodbye Subscription Windows..... by TangoMargarine · · Score: 2

    But it doesn't happen, still any Windows story on here gets the same comments and the same furious people with the empty threat of saying they will move to other operating systems.

    Or, y'know, they actually are moving to other OSs and it's different people posting that they're leaving this time.

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  29. Re:Goodbye Subscription Windows..... by macs4all · · Score: 2

    In other news, apple doesn't put a top row of special keys on the keyboard (like Dell does) and instead uses the function keys. To actually get a function key you have to use the Function modifier key. I find this annoying and it makes it easy to change display brightness when trying to contort for some god-awful keyboard shortcut (there's one I use frequently that is a horrible mashup of *four* modifier keys plus the key being modified -- and there is no menu equivalent, it is the keyboard or nothing).

    You do realize you can reverse the "Fn" behavior, right?

    OS X/macOS will let you do it globally, or you can use the F/OSS (Donationware) "Function Flip" to do it individually for each Function key.

    You're welcome.