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Will Brexit Hurt International Cyber-Security? (helpnetsecurity.com)

The Brexit shock continues to reverberate throughout the global economic and policy worlds. Andrea Limbago from the security company Endgame responds to a poll showing that most security professionals have concerns about Brexit: Will it weaken cybersecurity because of additional bureaucratic hurdles to information sharing with the EU, as well limited cross-national collaboration in fighting cyber criminals? There is also concern about the possibility of a brain drain -- in-demand security talent pool fleeing the UK -- which could increasingly impact security and data protection.
Limbago suggests tech workers in Britain's financial sector may feel the impact, "with Bitcoin surging and the pound dropping.... London's role as the financial hub is now threatened thanks to the Brexit, the rise of digital currencies, and the EU's move toward greater digital integration." And there's also the possibility of "a push for digital sovereignty and greater national control over the Internet." But another poll found that 64% of information security professionals didn't think Brexit would affect Britain's ability to defend against cyber-attacks. Can security professionals continue their inter-nation cooperation, elevating data and security concerns over new administrative differences between Europe and the U.K.?

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  1. Will Brexit Hurt International Cyber-Security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No.

    1. Re:Will Brexit Hurt International Cyber-Security? by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Informative

      But FUD! What about the FUD! The FUD is tanking! FUD! Brexit FUD!

    2. Re:Will Brexit Hurt International Cyber-Security? by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      I thought he moved to Shpain becaush the taxesh in Shcotland were too high?

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    3. Re:Will Brexit Hurt International Cyber-Security? by jandersen · · Score: 2

      Brexit will hurt a lot of things, but probably not things that are already working int the global sphere, if that is the correct term. Brexit will cause upheavals, and as always, this will harm those at the bottom of the pile (who ironically voted for brexit, it appears) and benefit those at the top. In the long run, however, brexit makes no difference; the internet will see to it, that the globalisation will continue, and national sovereignty will continue to become less relevant in a world where everybody can talk across borders with little effort. A lot of young, educated people no longer identify with their local community, but have close friends in countries on the other side of the world - they are not likely to care much about "Taking Our Country Back" in the future and will be happy to join the European Federation or whatever it is going to be called, when the time comes and they get into power.

      In the short term - 5 to 10 years - brexit will continue cause us small, but significant problems, while we go through the slow and painful process of unraveling 40+ years of treaties that the UK have themselves been one of the prime drivers in building up. It is all very well to gloss over these things with cool sounding slogans or glib arguments about how many cars Germany want to sell, but the truth of the matter is that the negotiations will take a long time and cause endless trouble for the whole of Europe and to some extent to the rest of the world, and their leaders and populations will remember this for a long time. And just like people in the UK voted leave based on something less than rational, these feelings of resent in Europe will count against UK in any negotiations - this may also hit us when we try to get good deals with countries outside EU. We have signalled to the world that we are not entirely rational, and they will have their doubts about any relationship with us for some time. And so on and so on. There are some who will benefit, and who will feel that these problem are a price worth paying; because they won't be the ones paying.

      As I have said in so many discussions, I don't need to win this argument; time will tell soon enough. It would be nice to be proven wrong, but I don't think I will.

  2. Will Brexit Hurt International Cyber-Spying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, yes it will. Which is a good thing for everyone outside of 5 eyes.

    Seriously though, fuck global panopticon.

    1. Re:Will Brexit Hurt International Cyber-Spying? by GrahamCox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      LIkely it will be the opposite. Without the EU laws reigning it in, the UK govt. can allow GCHQ to do whatever it likes.

  3. "The pound dropping" by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The pound is above the lowest point just after the Brexit vote - and pretty much stabilized.

    There are a lot of people trying VERY hard to scare you into thinking the Brexit is a disaster, when in fact it is a blip. This whole "computer cyber-security" angle is pathetic.

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    1. Re:"The pound dropping" by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure brexit will even happen. I see a new referendum requiring at least 60% with a minimum of voter participation if less than 60. Which is what they should have done, instead if allowing literally a 1 vote difference to make drastic changes to a lot of people's lives.

      Cameron fucked that up, but there were already petitions in place before the vote, that may be considered.

      I'm not taking a stand on what brexit means to anything for at least six months. Sure if its your job carry on, but on a us centric news aggregator its just having a toss.

    2. Re:"The pound dropping" by Ramze · · Score: 3, Informative

      A lower pound to the Euro is beneficial to GB's local industries -- people buy local instead of foreign, and people living in the EU will be able to buy goods and services from GB cheaper b/c they can buy more with their euros after converting to pounds to buy GB goods/services.

      International money markets are funny... When your currency goes up compared to others, you hurt exports, but help imports -- and vice versa when your currency goes down. No matter which way it moves, it hurts in some ways and helps in others.

      Given that it wasn't a huge percent shift to begin with, I don't think GB is going to cry about the change even if it stays where it is as the "new normal."

    3. Re:"The pound dropping" by itsdapead · · Score: 2

      The pound is above the lowest point just after the Brexit vote - and pretty much stabilized.

      It's still at its lowest point for years but hey, yes, a low pound is swings and roundabouts for the economy as a whole... and the FTSE 100 index just had a little wobble because of the shock of calling it wrong (and traders who predicted the wobble won big). The FTSE 250 which includes more UK-focussed companies is still down a bit - but, hey, it'll be back after a few weeks of normal trading. So, panic over, Brexit isn't going to harm the economy.

      One small problem...

      Brexit hasn't happened yet!

      Now, I hate to be all hysterical and put that in bold, but I think its generally accepted that evidence of the effect doesn't usually turn up until after the cause. I know that the "Remain" campaign told us all that a giant hand would reach up and snuff out the sun the moment the ballot was counted, but those clowns were part of the problem.

      So far, we don't know when Brexit will happen or even if it will (I don't thing the government can just ignore the vote, but they could water it down to some token change in relationship) it we don't know on what terms, and what wonderful deals we'll be able to cut with India and China: the UK is not allowed to start negotiating other trade details outside the EU until we leave (and some in the EU are claiming that we can't negotiate trade deals with the EU until we've left, although I suspect that will get talked out). The important decisions - whether City institutions will be allowed to continue clearing in Euros, whether whatever trade deals we cut with the EU will be enough to keep companies like BMW/Mini and Nissan investing in manufacturing plants in the UK etc. are yet to be made.

      Its kinda like that day about 15 years ago when the Euro was first launched and the world didn't end - obviously all the concerns being discussed then about all the mismatched economies, some of whom had fudged the entry criteria, were wrong, yes? (Now, putting some clear blue water between us and the ticking timebomb that is the Euro is one area where I do sympathise with Brexit - although the disadvantage is that we're about to give it a good solid kick and we're not quite at safe distance).

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    4. Re:"The pound dropping" by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      All people have a right to migrate.

      However, ALL sovereign nations have a RIGHT to let in, or reject anyone they do now wish to migrate that are not legal citizens of their country.

      If you want to apply, and follow the legal means, then sure, they should consider you, but it isn't a given you should/will be accepted.....

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  4. Utter nonsense by onyxruby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is no magic or silver bullet in security, just a set of best practices (processes), technology and people working together. If done according to any major standard defense in depth will be used. There is no such concept as 'if national politics =X then Y. Best practices are widely publicized and available to any organization or government in the world.

    Whether or not an organization follows security best practices has everything to do with their culture and nothing to do with their politics. There is no tool that any given country has a lock on.

    What's next? Brexit endangers air supply?

    1. Re:Utter nonsense by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

      What's next? Brexit endangers air supply?

      Remember folks - you read it on Slashdot first!

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  5. FUD by elcor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fear Uncertainty Doubt The campaign to turn people's opinion has started. It seems that the good people of Britain took by surprise some very powerful goups.

  6. Actual evidence by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Informative

    A recent slashdot reply caught my eye, because it succinctly sums up the situation in the UK.

    In her department, which requires high-end medically-skilled professionals, her boss posted after Brexit. The basic gist was "Don't worry, everyone, your cancer diagnosis will still be safe in the hands of our department consisting almost entirely of Spanish, Italian, German, French, Polish, Greek, ...... personnel for the time being".

    The important part of this post is that the jobs in this lab are denied to UK citizens due to globalism.

    Of course, proponents of globalism will tell us that the UK citizens can easily move to Greece and get an equivalent job.

    It could happen - right?

    Globalism was sold to us as a way to increase our standard of living. It was well known that salaries would stagnate, but (we were told) the lower prices on imported goods would more than make up for the difference.

    In hindsight, we see that salaries did stagnate, and also unemployment went up while per-capita gdp about doubled.

    Globalism is good for a handful few people, while it has driven half the workforce to the brink of poverty.

    The economic rationale says that the economy is doing great (which it is, actually) and ignores the dissatisfaction of millions of citizens as valueless.

    Why should *any* country sacrifice the welfare of its citizens for the benefit of people in other countries?

    If want to argue globalism, please include the analysis that indicates why having 75 million households on the brink of poverty and 10% unemployment is a good thing.

    It's the difference between a rationalization and actual evidence.

    1. Re:Actual evidence by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Informative

      Basically there were too things that propelled the Leave vote. First the lie that Brits had no representation in the EU (even some using the phrase "no taxation without representation"), except that the UK had representation in the EU, all member nations do. Sure they don't always get their way but that's true for all unions. Ie, California does not get it's way and is overridden by Washington but it doesn't throw a fit and demand to leave, since part of being a democracy is realizing that you don't always get the majority vote.

      Second, a big push was the idea that they'd get rid of all the non-Brits if they left the EU. First off, amazingly racist and there is currently a big surge in racism in the UK. Many of those people with the wrong color were born in the UK, they can't be kicked out and the government will never allow it and will never have a majority "kick out the damn foreigners" faction. Who cares if the department has Spanish, Italian, German, Polish, and Greek staff? Is he really so stupid that the thinks a true blooded Brit would do a better job? No one is firing qualified British doctors to replace them with foreign workers, the foreign workers are getting the jobs because there's a demand for health care professionals that isn't being filled by the locals.

    2. Re: Actual evidence by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 5, Informative

      First, the British are not trying to throw off a government they elected, like in your example of California. The Californians elect representatives to the Federal government. The British representatives to the EU are unelected. California did not exist as a state before becoming a part of the USA. The UK was a powerful independent state for centuries before "becoming part" of the EU.

      As to your screed about racism. What total garbage. The citizens of the UK want to close the border to indiscrminant immigration. It isn't a matter of race. There are many people of many skin hues and cultural backgrounds within the Commonwealth who are British citizens. The key is that they are westernized citizens. It has nothing at all to do with race.

    3. Re:Actual evidence by Space+cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fuck me, that's the biggest load of bullshit I've read on Slashdot in recent memory.

      How one can distil down an enormously complex situation into "too"[sic] paragraphs of dubious authenticity and simultaneously claim to understand the issues involved sufficiently to invoke two strawmen designed to be easily knocked down is beyond me, but hey, knock yourself out.

      Just don't expect to be taken seriously.

      1) The "representation" for the *people* in the EU is horribly undemocratic. All the people get to elect representatives to is the toothless chamber, ironically named the European Parliament. Forgive me, but any so-called parliament that can't even propose legislation, or even have the final say in enactment of the legislation graciously imposed upon it, is no parliament worth bearing the name. I'm used to the people (or at least our elected representatives) having the power, not an unelected body of career politicians out to line their own (or their own countries) pockets.

      2) There is an element of racism in every society on this planet, it's a leftover from the "us" vs "them" tribal nature of our shared history. There were indeed people with money who were advertising and therefore getting their message across this time, and some of those people had a xenophobic and sometimes racist agenda, agreed. To immediately paint all those who voted leave (for whatever reason of their own) as racist, because some other person was being racist in an advertising campaign beggars belief. Clearly critical thinking in whatever country you're from is lacking (and the point stands if that country is Britain).

      The issues involved were complex, and it's not anywhere near as simple as "fuck those brown people"; to imply such is frankly insulting. Perhaps those who voted to leave simply chose the probability of lesser prosperity as an acceptable compromise for real self-determination.

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    4. Re:Actual evidence by Ash-Fox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Basically there were too things that propelled the Leave vote. First the lie that Brits had no representation in the EU (even some using the phrase "no taxation without representation"), except that the UK had representation in the EU, all member nations do.

      Indeed.

      Sure they don't always get their way but that's true for all unions.

      You forgot the legitimate point that there was representation, however the bit where majority vote can be completely overruled by the EU commission and ignore the will of the majority which genuinely was never used to protect the interests of the people, but of the EC.

      You also seem to have forgotten that areas that had an overall majority leave were places where the common fisheries policy, the common agricultural policy, the sustainable development project, the European climate change programme and so on all lead to drastic problems that affected people's life adversely.

      UK MEPs have previously brought up problems such as the Common Fisheries Policy leading to overfishing (in 2013 it's powers were extended and became in some respects more problematic after 40 years of problems already) and killing the environment in some waters, there have been instances of other MEPs (particularly from nations benefiting such things) denounce them as xenophobic and wanting to keep the fish stocks to themselves (as opposed to hearing out the issue) - Majority vote wins in these cases.

      But then, even if you ignore all these particular issues and just look at prosperity, it doesn't lead to a good number either. When you consider what power the EU has, when Iceland, a relatively small and no where near a big player in the world stage is able to negotiate a free trade deal with China in less than a year and the EU is going on for decades trying to negotiate one... There isn't really much in this department either.

      Of course, you won't see that reported in the media that prefers polarised and sensational issues.

      Second, a big push was the idea that they'd get rid of all the non-Brits if they left the EU.

      That was really a remain camp's claim, not really anything to do with the leavers.

      First off, amazingly racist and there is currently a big surge in racism in the UK.

      A few hundred reported incidents in a nation of 65,000,000 since brexit is not really a "big surge" to me. The idea that over 50% of the UK is racist to the degree leavers are portraying it to be is somewhat laughable too. Certainly the timing represents brexit has a catalyst for some acts. I should also note that I live in a major UK city that has a history of racism, prejudice and acts of violence against foreigners, not a single racist incident since the vote.

      The reality is that there were legitimate reasons and concerns to leave the EU and you're just perpetuating more of the remain camp's story and media sensationalism, you should be ashamed.

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    5. Re: Actual evidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The surge in racism is easy to explain.

      You see, whites never had a racial identity, and so they got pushed around by the identity groups around them. For years this went on, until no one could remember anything else.

      Now they are starting to wake up, and they are rapidly coming to the conclusion that they don't want to be on the losing end of your genocide.

      And so now you racist fucks are getting pushback, often for the first time in your miserable coddled little lives. "How dare you whites not wither under our cries of 'racism' and 'sexism'?" you cry as you throw your little tantrums.

      Your racism was there all along, you see. You just can't maintain the illusion any more, now that things aren't going exactly your way, and so your vile hate is now on display for all to see.

    6. Re:Actual evidence by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Of course, other EU members have the same problems. Britain isn't unique here. While there were more rationale reasons for leaving the EU the aftermath of the vote seems to show that a lot of people accepted the simplistic reasons. Similarly all the states in the US are obliged to follow federal rules even when they don't make sense. When a region decides to leave because they don't like more distant rules then where does it stop, does it keep fracturing until there are only city states left, or smaller?

      As for globalization as some have said, that's not quite right, it's really about the European neighbors right next door and not about shipping jobs off to third world countries in a different hemisphere. Maybe it's a British thing, since everyone in the world assumes the UK is European except for the British.

      The trick is if they can keep the same trading deals that they had while in the EU, otherwise they'll feel the pain of going it alone. They weren't that strong economically before, except for London's financial sector.

  7. This by s.petry · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Globalists took a bit hit and are not happy. Of course the media outlets they own are trying to scare people in hopes of a fascist takeover to negate the vote. Hell, the day the votes were cast they started petitioning for another referendum trying to negate the first vote. That was the point in the claim that people were so ignorant and stupid that they had to Google search after the vote. I already spotted quite a few shill posts in this thread preaching that message.

    Does cyber security get worse because people will be paid with Pounds instead of Euros? Nope, not at all. If the currency mattered we would never have an exchange. This is just more Globalist fear mongering. It's the easiest way to try and bend the public to their will, and has had huge success in the last 20 years or so.

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    1. Re:This by Ramze · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree the EU backers crapped their pants when GB gave them the finger and actually voted to leave... and are looking for any angle to fear-monger this as a disaster for GB (mostly b/c it's a disaster for the EU if it goes through as it sets a precedent that even major countries can just up and leave if they are pressured enough.)

      but, one small point -- the petition for a 2nd referendum you mention was actually started BEFORE the vote -- as a precaution by those that wanted to leave so that if their "Leave" campaign failed the first vote, they'd have a shot at a second. Turns out they won, and couldn't stop the petition which was then taken up by their opponents

    2. Re:This by johanw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For exactly that reason Spain will probably veto an independent Scotland from entering the EU.

  8. Of course it will. by Z80a · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After all, when the corrupt members of the EU finish doing their plans and turn the block into a supercountry ruled by a group of unelected dictators with its own army and thirst for the rest of europe, they will attack UK both physically and via internet to take it down and conquer the land for themselves, thus indeed putting the UK's cybersecurity at risk.

  9. Re:Brexit will not happen. by martin-boundary · · Score: 2
    And every time it does not happen, expect the UK political class to lose further ground to the far right loonies like BNP and UKIP, until enough of them are in power to run the country and take it out of the EU anyway. Meanwhile, the uncertainty in the markets will punish the country even more than it is going to (the skirmish on Friday was just the foreplay).

    The UK has a choice between leaving the EU and having a responsible set of people negotiating the exit, or leaving the EU with Nigel Farage negotiating the exit. If I was british, I know what I would want.

  10. It does that now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    GCHQ does whatever it wants now. When the EU tries to attack it, Britain uses its veto to block action. Without Britain in the EU, EU countries can protect themselves from 5 eyes surveillance.

    It is however bad for Britain, because Brits cannot go to the European Court of Justice to have this shit declared illegal.

    And they can't rely on their own government, Parliament rejected Snoopers Charter bad in 2010, GCHQ did it anyway, and now the Home Secretary they helped put in power is trying to make it legal. So much for democracy in Britain.

    Her side is trying to put her in as the next Prime Minister, and has access to all that mass surveillance data to help them do it.

  11. Re:London financial hub threatened? by symes · · Score: 2

    "the movement of capital" - what are you on about? Really? For reasons of compliance certain EU centric activities must be conducted within the EU. Banks are already moving jobs from the UK to the UK so that they can start the process of accreditation and remain compliant. Second. "Brexit" is the divorce. It takes two years. Then. Only then. Comes the negotiations for what role the UK will play in the EU. Passporting in the city of London will end before there is an option to negotiate an alternative. In the words of one analyst I know - you'll not see anything sudden happen. What you will see is that over time new projects will not come to London. Over 10 years you will find London slowly slipping in dominance.

  12. Re:Liar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    >why would Brexit campaign demand a harder barrier to challenge

    Obviously because at the time the petition was created they thought Remain would win and wanted to challenge the result.

    Oliver Healey, a candidate for the far-right English Democrats party, is the petition's founder. He is now crying that his petition, which he can't cancel, has been hijacked.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-petition-second-eu-referendum-latest-news-vote-leave-a7104076.html
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/william-oliver-healey-referendum-petition_uk_576f8b28e4b0232d331e1b39