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Interview With An 'NSA Hacker' Published By The Intercept (theintercept.com)

The Intercept published a 4,000 word article based on a journalist's three-hour interview with an "NSA hacker" who recently left the agency for a career in cybersecurity. Offering a portrait of life within the U.S. intelligence agency, "Lamb" says he worked on "ridiculously cool projects that I'll never forget... Technically challenging things are just inherently interesting to me."

He's the author of some of the memos leaked by Edward Snowden about how the NSA tries to identify Tor users or break into sys-admin accounts. ("One of his memos outlined the ways the NSA reroutes (or "shapes") the internet traffic of entire countries, and another memo was titled "I Hunt Sysadmins.") "If you tell me, 'This can't be done,' I'm going to try and find a way to do it."

It's interesting that he ended one memo with "Current mood: devious" and wrote in another that Tor "generally makes for sad analysts". But in his interview, he warns that "There is no real safe, sacred ground on the internet. Whatever you do on the internet is an attack surface of some sort and is just something that you live with."

93 comments

  1. no sacred ground by turkeydance · · Score: 4, Insightful

    includes the NSA's lawn.

    1. Re:no sacred ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you play Jarts on their lawn.

    2. Re:no sacred ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First useful first post, ever?

    3. Re:no sacred ground by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      What everyone forgets about that era, is that by using gene pool culls like the Jarts game, we were still weeding the garden.

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    4. Re:no sacred ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      includes the NSA's lawn.

      And Hillary Clinton's server. Fuck the emails, she had her Clinton Foundation correspondences on that sucker. She sells states secrets to foreign governments, and ensures arms deals with Saudis, UAE, Qatar, etc. go through so long as huge donations wind up in the Clinton Foundation. Want to sell federal wildlife lands to the Russians for uranium mining after prohibiting US citizens from using the land? Sure! No problem, just make a donation to Hillary Clinton.

      http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/05/gold-mine-hillary-clintons-brother-granted-super-rare-mining-permit-from-haiti-after-state-dept-sent-country-billions/
      http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187
      http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2016/01/05/clinton-is-selling-uranium-from-bundy-and-hammond-ranches-to-russians-to-fund-presidential-campaign/

      There were tons more juicy details in there that everyone knows about now. So much so that if all of the corruption was released it might cause riots or even a war or two. That means if HRC becomes president, we'll have a sockpuppet president that's being blackmailed by damn near any other nation state. Of course the rest of the world supports her! Her supporters don't care about such things because the Clintons have always been able to be bought off anyway. Easier to bribe them than black mail them I suppose.

      The elite's worst enemies are hackers. That's why you won't find them in NSA or FBI. They just purchase 0-day exploits everyone else. If you want to do some real data exfiltration go work for Central Intelligence.

    5. Re:no sacred ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No offense, but Breitbart isn't exactly the most trustworthy of sources. I'm sure that I am not alone in this opinion. I'm completely unable to find anything other than Breitbart listing Rodham as the owner of the company, but I can find multiple sources listing him as a member on the board of advisors.

      The Common Sense Show is just another right-wing conspiracy-tard site. FFS, they're talking about those dumbass Bundy and Hammonds.

      Please find better sources. I'd sure like to believe you.

    6. Re:no sacred ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No offense, but Breitbart isn't exactly the most trustworthy of sources. I'm sure that I am not alone in this opinion. I'm completely unable to find anything other than Breitbart listing Rodham as the owner of the company, but I can find multiple sources listing him as a member on the board of advisors.

      Breitbart lists Rodham as being on the board too, you lying dick. Let me guess, just running a little interference for Hillary? Don't want people to find out how utterly corrupt Bill and Hillary are?

      Gold Mine: Hillary Clinton’s Brother Granted Super-Rare Mining Permit from Haiti After State Dept. Sent Country Billions

      Hillary Rodham Clinton’s brother, Tony Rodham, sat on the board of a self-described mining company that in 2012 received one of only two “gold exploitation permits” from the Haitian government—the first issued in over 50 years.

      I don't think it matters how good or golden the source is if you don't read it, don't understand it, or lie about it.

    7. Re: no sacred ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the memos sound like they were written so that it seemed he was doing something and bit just slacking off.

      i imagine 99% of nsas budget going to dumpster. no oversight you see.

    8. Re:no sacred ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny that you want other people to play the fool's game of disproving your ranting revelations based on a right wing propaganda source...

      It would be as senseless as disproving that the world is flat

    9. Re:no sacred ground by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The NSA must surely be compromised. If Snowden could do it, you have to figure that professional spies from other countries have too. The NSA is a very attractive target, having virtual dossiers on all US and many European citizens that are ripe for plundering. Access to NSA backdoors and non-public vulnerabilities would be quite valuable too.

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    10. Re:no sacred ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a pedo!

      Don't believe me? I'm not your personal fucking google. You're a shill. The way this works is you go find sources that refute the claims.

    11. Re:no sacred ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, if you don't mind nobody(*) listening to you, then no problem. That just makes one wonder why the hell you made the original post in the first place.

      *) apart from preaching to the choir, of course

    12. Re:no sacred ground by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Either the information is accurate or it isn't. The source doesn't matter outside that regard. If you have reasons to believe it is inaccurate outside of you not wanting to believe it, then list it. If not, either accept it or understand that you are wilfully remaining stupid and blindly ignoring information presented. You will be no better than a flat earther.

    13. Re:no sacred ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I ever write a RPG with examples of what the alignments mean I will dig out old statements from NSA and CIA to serve as an inspiration for Lawful Evil, Neutral Evil and Chaotic Evil. I think the arguments from their shills have covered all of them.
      Everything from using the law to prosecute good people to full on "might makes right" psychopaths.

    14. Re:no sacred ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The default value of validity of information is "this is most likely inaccurate". When you're standing on the soapbox, it's YOUR JOB to provide something that raises it above that level in a way which requires minimal effort from whoever you are trying to convert. Joe Random doesn't owe you his time.

      Look, if a quack is trying to sell me something, it doesn't make sense for me to spend ages going through every bit of his esotheric homeopathic feminist theory of austrian economic time vortexes, looking for errors that are hidden deep in its convoluted logic and obfuscated terms. Fuck no. I'll just dismiss it bluntly and unfairly and the snake oil guy has to come up with something that catches my attention, like "did you know that the surgeon general recommends cachalot wax for skin cancer. it says so in (insert some other source besides breitbart)".

    15. Re: no sacred ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its "your" stupid you idit. Fix you're grammer you shitdip!

    16. Re:no sacred ground by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      The links seem referenced enough to be just as valid as anything on Wikipedia or any other site. If you are dismissing it out of hand because of your dislike of the politics of the site you literally are no different than a flat earther. You even proudly proclaim it just like they do.

      This isn't some hocus pocus alternative health link but your reaction is typical of the antivaxers. They made specific charges and backed them up from what i can tell with a cursory glance. You can close your eyes and claim it isn't happening all you want. It doesn't make it true. It just makes you wilfully stupid. Your argument boils down to "no way and I am not going to look " which fits the stupid model exactly. It is borderline dishonest.

    17. Re:no sacred ground by epine · · Score: 1

      Either the information is accurate or it isn't.

      The problem of inference is that the information in hand is usually not enough, whether or not you succeed in determining it's accuracy, considered in isolation.

      The gap between a smattering of accurate information and assembling an accurate world view is a real doozy.

      You can't assess the representativeness of your "smattering" without also considering your sources and the net they weave.

    18. Re: no sacred ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is like suggesting that all cockroaches are actually interdimensional aliens who secretly control the government, and then demanding that anyone who questions you must find evidence which disproves the alien cockroach overlord theory.

    19. Re:no sacred ground by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      If you think it is all a conspiracy, you can present evidence of such. If all you are doing is ignoring something because you don't want to believe the source, you are anti-intellectual and unthinking. If you choose to ignore it and keep it to yourself, no one will know you are intentionally stupid. If you bragg about it, then don't be upset or surprised when you get called out on it.

      All it would take for you to become a blundering idiot (as in the original meaning) is for sources you think are valid for whatever reason to ignore it too. This in and of itself is cause to at least investigate the claims. Otherwise you become a mindless puppet of powers greater than you.

    20. Re: no sacred ground by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Nice deflection there. I bet you even won your kindergarten debate class too. The links cite references for fucks sake. It is absolutely nothing like that. It if anything is like Wikipedia having factual content because they do the exact same thing - cite their reference.

      Now you could look at the links and decide they are unsubstantiated opinions or they are factual. Anything else is intellectually dishonest and judging from your comment, you are comfortable with dishonesty.

    21. Re: no sacred ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The links cite no relevant sources for the main point of the article. There are plenty of references sources for other, less relevant and important pieces of information.

    22. Re:no sacred ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My point was that that Breitbart's article, titled "Hillary Clinton's Brother Granted Super-Rare Mining Permit..." implies that he is the owner of the company. He is not. He is on the board of advisors. This discrepancy illustrates obvious bias. I'm not being a lying dick, I'm actually being very civil. I could have called you a paranoid piece of shit motherfucker, but I didn't. I'm interpreting the facts as they are presented to me.

      It's very sad for your world view, and society in general, that when someone honestly says they want to believe you, *but just wants better sources for your claims*, they're instantly labeled a dishonest shill, someone paid for interference, someone who wants to cover up corruption, then your argument grinds to a halt. You are a sad and paranoid person.

    23. Re: no sacred ground by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      I checked the first link and it references a book making the claim as well as the website of the company who got the gold permit bragging to investors that they are one of only two able to exploit the gold in hati.The website of the company also listed Hillary's brother as being on the board of directors.

      I'm not sure how you consider that not relevant. I'm betting you never bothered looking and are just spouting nonsense in order to justify your wilful stupidity.

    24. Re: no sacred ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I looked. Pinky swear. My point was that none of the sources actually point in the direction of "Hillary's brother's company got permits with illegal stuff". Not that there aren't sources, or that they don't contain information. Please show me the source that illustrates that the company is Rodham's, and please show me the source that shows Hillary's hand in getting those permits. Otherwise, GFY.

    25. Re: no sacred ground by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      It doesn't say illegal stuff. No one that I know of said illegal stuff. It says that the co chair of a relief fund bill was in charge of is now on the board with her brother and they got a sweet deal after dishing out relief funds. If you go to the vcs website and select press, you will see that the two people in question recently resigned.

      I'm going to say it is unethical and looks badly but you are the only one I know of saying it was illegal. Maybe you should do more than pinky swear. When friends and family get a sweet deal after you give aid funds, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to put 2+2 together.

    26. Re:no sacred ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not slightest bit interested in whatever is the white house scandal du jour. Clinton this, Trump that, who cares?

      What I AM interested is that the original AC (and apparently you, judging by your support) insists on passers-by reading breitbart of all possible medias and gets offended when someone hints that it might have some slight trustworthiness issues: "I'm not your fucking google". Are you folks in love with Milo or something?

      You think I'm going to refer to a blazing red revolutionary communist publication if I want to convince anyone about whatever is my cause? Dream on, I'm not that stupid.

  2. NSA sucks at technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They can't hack for shit.

    1. Re:NSA sucks at technology by Nehmo · · Score: 1

      They can't hack for shit.

      I suspect you are right. We certainly don't have any evidence they accomplished any major incursion. There is the Iranian centrifuge story, but I have my doubts about it, and we don't really have any reliable details.

      I *do* have experience in assessing state governments' level of technological prowess, and it is beyond pitiful. Basically, they pay for everything, and if nobody is offering, there is no internal means to accomplish anything. I should clarify my "assessment" is way old by now, but I would guess this is still valid with the current state of the game.

      Are the federal agencies similar to the state ones? Probably. They have the same kind of people.

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    2. Re:NSA sucks at technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I'm sure that the freaking NSA is ... pretty much at the same level as ohhh, sayyyy, state governments.

      God you're an idiot.

    3. Re:NSA sucks at technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, lol those guys who developed SELinux don't know wat they're doing lolololol.

      Idiot isn't a strong enough word.

    4. Re:NSA sucks at technology by Nehmo · · Score: 1
      You must be the same anonC as you are answering. Either that, or you both have the habit of beginning with "Yeah," and you both have stuck keys.

      Anyhow, there are other illustrations of NSA's ineptitude.

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    5. Re:NSA sucks at technology by vux984 · · Score: 2

      Its pretty common when mocking a post to respond in the same style.

      For example, one might have responded to yours with:

      You must be [insult] ; either that or [insult]; and you [insult].
      Anyhow [final insult]....

      You might be right and its the same AC; but its just as likely to be using style imitation as part of the mockery.

    6. Re:NSA sucks at technology by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      I think you are comparing apples to oranges. The NSA has a charter that includes expertise in this field. That's very different from having license to engage in computer drama in the course of discharging duties, as state governments would have.

    7. Re:NSA sucks at technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given the number of flaws in SELinux, it's probably not mockery.

    8. Re: NSA sucks at technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      eh.

      why are pretty much all selinux platforms locally hackable? i mean, its supposed to stop that, right?

      most of the nsa internal leaked talk was about getting access either by buying it or forcing with legislature. the memos are mostly phb idiots filling their time and justifying getting paid.

      they can neither make good sw nor do they employ decent crackers.

    9. Re:NSA sucks at technology by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Flawed as SELinux is, it's on top of other security measures. It cannot give permissions that aren't already there.

      Most of the criticism I see about SELinux is that it's too cumbersome to use correctly, so those without a special interest often turns it off. Often by the same people who don't understand acl either, and think 666 and 777 permissions are practical. Many of them even rely on Windows-like privilege escalation like gratuitous ALL=(ALL) ALL in /etc/sudoers.

    10. Re:NSA sucks at technology by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Most of the criticism I see about SELinux is that it's too cumbersome to use correctly, so those without a special interest often turns it off

      The criticism is that the tools do not exist to make it convenient to create new SELinux profiles, so those without a special interest rarely turn it on — at least, for anything that some application or distribution doesn't include for their benefit. There have been efforts to create such tools in the past, but last time I looked it wasn't convenient to even build the tools, and they were outdated in other ways as well. If you know better, I'm interested.

      Often by the same people who don't understand acl either, and think 666 and 777 permissions are practical.

      They are practical for many purposes, when combined with proper use of accounts, and containers are making them decreasingly relevant. But yes, that it's inconvenient to modify ACLs on the command line is an annoyance that does lead to their underuse — much as the tools missing from SELinux do the same in that case.

      Many of them even rely on Windows-like privilege escalation like gratuitous ALL=(ALL) ALL in /etc/sudoers.

      It's no less secure than su -.

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  3. Trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm guessing he didn't run his comments through prepub first... someone is going to be getting a call from security shortly.

    1. Re:Trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a few months from now, he will be involved in a car accident with a dump truck that leaves him dead or in a coma. That part of this story will be unreported. You don't mess with government agencies that operate like the mafia.

    2. Re:Trouble by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      Nah they will just upgrade him to Windows 10.

  4. Perfect timing for this coincidence story wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9329239&cid=52439297

    Jesuit Vatican and Jesuit CIA scaring everybody at threat of harm to themselves/family into allowing a total surveillance country. Even global because the info goes multi-national thanks to many many many fucking FBI moles and even a few CIA moles.

    So they take taxpayer money which really is literally not money but a debt instrument (-$20 (actual: 69.5) Trillion in your account how much money do you have? They use it to take your guns, set up camera world and spy and store all of your life details telling you it is to protect you from harm. Meanwhile they terrorize other countries and every time they blame it on somebody over in bumfucked Egypt they say they have to set up more cameras at home and your guns need fingerprint scanners on them and shit.

    GTFO CIA. Do not say Barack Obama is just finding this out either.

    https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9329239&cid=52439311

    The Jewish media monopoly and Israel are not unnoticed.

    Nor is the Lizard Squad (NSA)
    Nor is Anonymous (Israel state sponsored "hackers")

  5. Arrested Development by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >"Current mood: devious"

    I had no idea people were still using Livejournal.

  6. Legit story? by Robert+Goatse · · Score: 1

    I was looking forward to the story but when I saw things like smiley faces and the current mood=devious junk, I'm doubting this cat was really a spook. No way would someone put that kind of gibberish in a presentation unless, of course, it was presented to his office buddies who probably got a kick out of it. No way a 4-star would be looking at some hand-scribbled, 2nd grade inspired drawing.

    1. Re:Legit story? by pepsikid · · Score: 2

      Legit-ish. "Lamb" was in one of the terrariums full of haxxors that the spooks keep for research and observation. Obviously, he wasn't even valuable enough for them to aggressively hold on to.

    2. Re:Legit story? by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 1

      The Federal Government is generally terrible on several levels when it comes to job retention. The biggest thing they have to offer is that it's one of the few places that actually offers a pension, and that's increasingly going away. In anything requiring tech skills, they're not remotely competitive on salary or benefits.

      The biggest thing that a place like the NSA can offer is "this work is really really cool, even if you can't tell anyone about it." But at some point, that just doesn't measure up to other things. In a normal workplace, there would be ways for the higher ups to intervene and arrange for appropriate truckloads of money to make sure someone doesn't leave (or at least make it worth their while to stay), even if they may not be smart enough to do so. In the government, they generally can't do that even if they want to - it'd take an act of congress, basically.

  7. NSA is just like the other digital thungs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    NSA buys their exploits on the black market just like all the other criminal skiddies do.

    They even point and click to deploy their attacks, like skiddies using babby's first pre-packaged metasploit-ready exploit vector.

    "Devious" is buying exploits from real black hat hackers? Pretty much, yeah.

    With everything having such shit security there's not much incentive to spend a lot of money on "really neat projects" aside from running a fuzzer on new software, or fingerprinting a sysadmin's systems then deploying the existing library of vulns against them. Why crack the safe combination when the bank vault door is standing wide open?

    NSA is having problems with recruiting. TFA is propaganda. It's a smidge better than their prior attempts though.

  8. Worthless article by pellik · · Score: 4, Informative

    The only story is that the journalist did a three hour interview with a NSA hacker. There's no content in there.

    1. Re:Worthless article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is EXACTLY why The Guardian, Glenn Greenwald, The Intercept, and all the other bullshit journalists... suck.
      They're in it for themselves... content, truth, openness, sharing, facts and publishing the whole thing unredacted and without permission from authority... are completely secondary.
      Snowden was too afraid to self publish.
      Manning et al went to Wikileaks.
      Poitras covered it all.
      The next big leaker will either find complete politicial asylum first,
      or remain anon and self publish on the darknets,
      or will stand up and martyr.
      Because perhaps other than the early days of Wikileaks,
      no journo since has got it right and consistantly held that honor.

    2. Re:Worthless article by khallow · · Score: 1

      Which is EXACTLY why The Guardian, Glenn Greenwald, The Intercept, and all the other bullshit journalists... suck. They're in it for themselves... content, truth, openness, sharing, facts and publishing the whole thing unredacted and without permission from authority... are completely secondary.

      So what? This is real life, not some fairy tale movie where the journalist hero saves the world and wins the girl. There will never be a side of pure good. There will never be a clear victory over evil.

    3. Re:Worthless article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > So what? This is real life, not some fairy tale movie where the journalist hero saves the world and wins the girl.

      And with that kind of support... you will never be free.

    4. Re:Worthless article by khallow · · Score: 2

      And with that kind of support... you will never be free.

      In the real world, you use the tools you have to make the world a better place. Not the magic pink unicorns you wish you had.

    5. Re:Worthless article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, this is ONE puff piece, you sock puppet. No-one believes this represents the whole genre.

    6. Re:Worthless article by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      In the real world fuckwits abuse tools meant to make the world a better place, in order to enrich and empower themselves, regardless of how much those tools now make the world a far worse place. Until they starting testing to psychopathy and rejecting those shown to be psychopaths, this problem will get far worse.

      The whole nonsense of NSA power is insane, want to effectively castrate them, simply deploy EMP because that is exactly where all this will end up. Losing the hacking war, just EMP the opposition and you are done. There internal systems might still be going but they will have nothing to hook into and control and the ability to pay them to keep them going will similarly disappear.

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    7. Re:Worthless article by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      So what? This is real life, not some fairy tale movie where the journalist hero saves the world and wins the girl.

      I don't believe Glenn Greenwald is particularly interested in winning the girl.

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    8. Re:Worthless article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's because the NSA is not that elite

      they can try to spy but that's it. it's like dirty cheating

      now my Russian friends, that's a whole different story :)

    9. Re:Worthless article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are right, its a shit article, in fact, its so bad at times it looks fake

    10. Re:Worthless article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've felt like that for a long time now. EMP is the only way out. But for people who hate on "The Lamb". I can't really hate him. It's the pig ignorance of most people who have us where we are now. People blindly purchase their own demise. You vote with your wallet and mass purchase of surveillance technology without oversight is what we have. This guy knows that and knows it's powerless to do something about it (as far as te masses are concerned at least).

      As for the original purpose and intent of the internet - it's just as naiive. It was deigned by people who were privileged and grew up in a free country and never read history books and never dared to step outside their extremely comfortable comfortable zones and imagine how it could be abused.

    11. Re:Worthless article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. Reads more like a recruitment article, than one actually containing any worthwhile information.

    12. Re:Worthless article by khallow · · Score: 1

      Until they starting testing to psychopathy and rejecting those shown to be psychopaths, this problem will get far worse.

      I too want those magic pink unicorns to catch all the bad people. The thing you don't seem to get here is that psychopathy is a normal human reaction to great power and unaccountability. There's no magic test for this.

    13. Re:Worthless article by khallow · · Score: 1

      As for the original purpose and intent of the internet - it's just as naiive. It was deigned by people who were privileged and grew up in a free country and never read history books and never dared to step outside their extremely comfortable comfortable zones and imagine how it could be abused.

      And the above paragraph was written by someone who didn't think. If you're trying to fix human tyranny via modding the TCP/IP stack, then you're doing it wrong.

    14. Re:Worthless article by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If you're trying to fix human tyranny via modding the TCP/IP stack, then you're doing it wrong.

      On one hand, you are very right. On the other hand, it still might help, and trusting the network so much is foolish.

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    15. Re: Worthless article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I don't believe Glenn Greenwald is particularly interested in winning the girl."

      Haha! I see what you did there! Good one.

    16. Re: Worthless article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think it is fake... But "Lamb" was not a hacker per se - all of the articles supposedly authored by him made it seem like he was an instructor or perhaps a traffic analyst of some kind. Calling him a hacker is misleading.

    17. Re:Worthless article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing you don't seem to get here is that psychopathy is a normal human reaction to great power and unaccountability.

      Oh, psychopathy would happen even with accountability. It just means the psychopath has to get rid of one extra thing before going full throttle on the psychopathy.

      In the real world, we don't actually use the tools we have to make the world a better place. We use them in psychopathic ways that perhaps benefit ourselves, our cronies, and our empires. Any improvements to the world are just a coincidence.

      When we act with intent to better the world, we just get socialism, and we know that doesn't work.

    18. Re:Worthless article by khallow · · Score: 1

      Oh, psychopathy would happen even with accountability. It just means the psychopath has to get rid of one extra thing before going full throttle on the psychopathy.

      If your accountability is well designed, then it's a very big obstruction which is the whole point of accountability.

      When we act with intent to better the world, we just get socialism, and we know that doesn't work.

      Self-parody right? Socialism without accountability is a playground for the sort of behavior you claim to care about.

    19. Re:Worthless article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your accountability is well designed, then it's a very big obstruction which is the whole point of accountability.

      Doesn't matter. If the power being watched is great enough, psychopaths will appear to try and take it, no matter how big or how many obstructions you put in the way. That's the point of great power.

      If the locks are more valuable than the power it is guarding... well psychopaths would just target the lock instead. When the kingmaker holds more power than the actual king, aim to be the kingmaker.

      Self-parody right? Socialism without accountability is a playground for the sort of behavior you claim to care about.

      Huh? I didn't claim to care about any particular behavior. I'm just describing people's behavior.

    20. Re:Worthless article by khallow · · Score: 1

      Doesn't matter. If the power being watched is great enough, psychopaths will appear to try and take it, no matter how big or how many obstructions you put in the way. That's the point of great power.

      Which is why division of power happens. And what again was the point of testing for psychopathy as the original AC proposed? That's just another thing to work around. At least, accountability works better than that.

    21. Re:Worthless article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what again was the point of testing for psychopathy as the original AC proposed?

      You answered your own question: it's a division of power thing.

      Having a new entity that tests for psychopathy will mean a redistribution of power, some of it going to this new entity. So it really is just another form of accountability aka another thing to work around.

      See, you act like what the other AC propose and what you think works are different things and that one is better or worse. To a psychopath, they aren't, and they'll both work just as well or not.

    22. Re:Worthless article by khallow · · Score: 1

      You answered your own question: it's a division of power thing.

      Having a new entity that tests for psychopathy will mean a redistribution of power, some of it going to this new entity. So it really is just another form of accountability aka another thing to work around.

      I don't buy it. My view is that the testing is useless except as an arbitrary exercise of power. If you're going to do things like that, why not do something useful with that entity, like passing laws or judging breaches of the law (the traditional two divisions of power common to most democracies)?

      See, you act like what the other AC propose and what you think works are different things and that one is better or worse. To a psychopath, they aren't, and they'll both work just as well or not.

      Again, I don't buy this. I'm not a psychopath and hence, don't share this alleged equivalence.

  9. I own your base means this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    (and zoology)

  10. This can't be done by b783719 · · Score: 2

    "If you tell me, 'This can't be done,' I'm going to try and find a way to do it."

    How to be rich in 10 seconds:
    1) say, "I can't have your bank account. This can't be done."
    2)He's 'going to try and find a way to do it'
    3)????
    4)Profit

    1. Re:This can't be done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You weren't specific enough: Getting someones account is easy enough, doing it without getting caught and laundering the money to make it appear that it legitimately came into your hands is the very difficult part.

  11. Unprecidented by Velox_SwiftFox · · Score: 2

    Oh for the old days when no one wondered why >50% of European Internet connections were routed through MAE East.

  12. Thanks for that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    though it was already heavily hinted in the headline. And the summary. And the url.

  13. Literally, the most dangerous game. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I hunt Sysadmins"

    Careful. A lot of us Sysadmins enjoy our 4th amendment. We also enjoy the 2nd. Sounds like it's time to do a new kind of hunting. We fought wars and revolted against nations over less openly abusive bullshit.

    NSA: Fire whomever is doing your PR before you're out of a job and applying to Gitmo as a broomstick cover.

  14. Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a seriously shit article.

  15. NSA has a lot of resources, no superheroes. Easy by raymorris · · Score: 2

    Being in the information security field myself, I've hung out with some federal government infosec people once or twice. My read is that the feds have a lot of money and other resources. They don't have superheroes on staff. "Garcia" from the TV show CSI doesn't work there. So they're good, but cerrainly not orders of magnitude better than those of of us in the private sector. We can't get billion dollar datacenters, though, to record information about every phone call in the country.

    HOWEVER, most of the time it doesn't matter. Spear phishing isn't that difficult, and most people can be spear phished. (Note the qualifier SPEAR, not bulk phishing).

    What about hacking high-value targets like major governments? Is it easy to hack the US state department? Well the head of the department, the secretary of state, DOES communicate in CLEAR TEXT via an unpatched server in her basement. It doesn't take genius hackers to read top secret informatiom that isn't encrypted and is sent in the clear over the public internet. The NSA doesn't NEED geniuses. They just need to be patient and persistent to exploit a particular target.

      Of course they don't have to attack the primary target directly. Once they have access to the email account of Clinton's good friend Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, they can set a filter that intercepts emails she sends to HRC and add a trojan to an attached file. Then they have a foothold on HRC's computer and phone. None of this is that difficult, they just have to be patient if they want to get a value target.

  16. So does this mean.. by fred911 · · Score: 1

    he's turning in his back hat for a white one?

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    1. Re:So does this mean.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It means he sold his soul and now he repents. But in reality it's like Satan posing as a humanitarian worker.

      His curiosity toward IT was exploited by a rogue agency, no doubt. I just hope he realizes all the damage he's done to the basic and human rights, let alone diluting the values outlined in the US Constitution. There's no amount of "cyber security" he could ever do to make up for that and there's no amount of righteousness he can hide behind to justify his actions. What he did was pure evil.

  17. cool ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Technically cool but immoral and un-ethical and probably outside the law..
    Don't you just technocrats,smart,but with no smarts..

  18. CNE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I assume CNE is Carrier Network Exploit? i.e. some router exploit.

    I think at this point, its the same rules as normal, we fix bugs, we avoid buying 5 eyes shit network kit, and view TLS with suspicion given Blue Coat and other less well known Symantec related companies can fake any certificate they like with impunity.

    I wonder how many European business secrets were exported to the US by these exploits, or how many European leaders were shaped by this data to be compliant to the mass surveillance regimen. All of the 5 eyes countries have now legalized mass surveillance of their own populations. With only the US even having token restraint.

    1. Re: CNE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, move to asia and start to wonder why all port 80 sockets open in 15ms. (actually its jusy because the isp is saving money. the censorship happens at dns level as does network access auth. which is funny because they only inercept port 53 traffic to certain nameservers such as googles but not to most
                        that is you can get free internet rather easily).

    2. Re:CNE? by rjh · · Score: 1

      Computer Network Exploitation.

      CNO = Computer Network Operations, an umbrella term which covers offense and defense. CNE is offensive CNO.

  19. Re:NSA has a lot of resources, no superheroes. Eas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm confident that NSA is stuffed full of talented geniuses. The problem is, NSA is *not a school*. It is a self-serving bureaucracy of biblical proportions. It is a cult of grim bondage and great misdeeds done in furious silence. It is where great ideas are snatched up and piled into classified vaults to be forgotten. Where good things receive the Lovecraftian kiss and are thus sent forth to infect the world on their own. It's staff aren't allowed to pursue any program for long if it does not serve the *political* demands of it's deranged leadership. Every one of those nerds has a leash around their neck. Their experiments must be weaponizable, or else they are put out to pasture.

  20. Hacker? Oh .. really ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am sorry - this "lamb" guy and his memos sound much more like the janitor dreaming of wanting to be a cool haxxor dude. If he really represents the average specialist at the NSA our country is in trouble. Actually - I don't think the NSA would have a lot of capabilities without the help of American technology partners. It's easy to re-route traffic in a network, if a few well known companies cooperate.

  21. "If you tell me, 'This can't be done'... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK. I've seen your presentation. Here's what can't be done: correct apostrophes, apparently. Go to it, tiger.

  22. Re: NSA has a lot of resources, no superheroes. Ea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Garcia is on Criminal Minds, you insensitive clod!

  23. what utility are NSA skills to the civilian sector by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What utility does this guy have to the civilian sector? The NSA has vector options available that the civilian sector has never dreamed of. I bet you a good deal of what he knows is not applicable to the civilian sector.

    This whole interview sounds like a puff piece for a job interview. It's different to work in the real world vs a shadowy world where you probobly have a small army of operatives available to do hacks/exploits that would not be feasible without things like national security letters, boots on the ground, physical penetration into secure facilities, etc.

  24. Re:what utility are NSA skills to the civilian sec by pepsikid · · Score: 1

    What I got from it was that Lamb wants to be a security consultant. You'd pay him to run Nessus against your network or whatever.

  25. Re: what utility are NSA skills to the civilian se by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For one, he should be aware of proper security procedures.
    Second, he'll know of very unlikely targets and methods to protect against previously unknown attack surfaces.

    The fact that you donâ(TM)t see much value tells us how little value you are.