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SolarCity Pushing Industry To 40% Increase In Useful Lifetime of Solar Power Installations (electrek.co)
An anonymous reader writes: SolarCity released a new report that says solar power systems have a usable lifetime of at least 35 years, which is 40% longer than what the market expects. Electrek reports: "The key finding of the report is that power degradation (annual efficiency loss) of solar panels supplied to SolarCity is as much as 35% lower than for a comparable industry-wide selection of non-SolarCity panels, which are typically expected to last for 25 years. In the study here, SolarCity looked at greater than 11,000 panels to determine their data points and come to their conclusion that their solar panels are performing well beyond expected industry standards. Today, standard efficiency solar panels put out by Tier 1 suppliers are generally warranted to lose no more than 0.7% efficiency per year for the first 25 years -- this is the Power Production Warranty. The key finding in this study is that the annual 0.7% efficiency loss is too high an estimation -- and that the number ought be closer to 0.5%. While it might seem a small number -- a difference of 0.2% -- when applied over a multiple decades timeframe, it means that instead of the standard twenty five year assumed productive life, we can expect at least another ten years of production above 80% of the original system output. Large installers like SolarCity, able to do this type of wide-scale research -- and to also demand higher quality, are showing their ability to pull the manufacturers of the world upward. With SolarCity building their own solar panel Gigafactory we ought expect the quality levels to be even greater in the near future.
I get a 404 error on the first link. The actual report link is at : http://www.solarcity.com/sites/default/files/reports/SolarCity%20Photovoltaic%20Modules%20with%2035%20year%20Useful%20Life.pdf
As for the degradation of panels, I have a 10kW system made of relatively inexpensive Chinese Renesola Virtus II hybrid panels for over 3 years now and I have seen no measurable degradation in performance so far. And I even look at the peak days of month to avoid the issue of daily weather and still it seems the peak has not reduced (rather increased by 1% which should be within the margin of error) in these three years. So there goes two myths my installer told me "you need to pay me to service and wash them every year to maintain peak output" and "output will measurably drop yearly anyway though". No I haven't washed them. So, I don't know if they will continue this trend or will suddenly drop in efficiency, but at least for the first few years they seem stable.
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Elon is the Chairman of Solar City. The founders are his cousins.
It's even simpler than that. How can any company, that has only existed for 9 years, have any proof their product lasts 35 years let alone even 10?
By using math.
What's the expected lifetime and warranty of the inverter? The cost of inverters seem to be about $0.40 per watt so for a 3,000 watt system it would cost ~$1,200. There surely are It looks like they are warranted for 5 years but one would hope they would last longer than that. And I'm sure there are service contracts with guaranteed replacement. How many would be needed over 35 years? Hopefully not too many.
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Good for Solar City.
They're still not putting their panels on my roof and charging me money for the electricity they generate. They can lease the space from me, but if they retain full ownership interest in the panels, I'm not giving them anything for free, much less paying them for the privilege.
How severe a hail storm can the panels survive? If the panels are well installed how much wind can they tolerate. In my part of Florida we will tend to have a hurricane every four years. 150 mph winds are common with gusts going even higher. Replacing a system every few years might make solar a really bad choice here. Also how much storm wind can windmills take without damage? It is hard to imagine one of the huge, tall windmills being smacked by the type of tornado so common in Oklahoma.
So one witness in court claiming he saw the murderer is not proof but an anecdote?
Unless the testimony of that witness can be corroborated in some way then that is correct. By itself it is rarely sufficient because shockingly, people lie and are routinely wrong even when well intentioned. When it comes to science and engineering, eyewitness testimony is close to worthless and anecdotal evidence is generally considered dubious for good reason.
You americans are really quite dumb. Or your school system ... or what ever.
Really? You don't understand the difference between data and anecdotes and we are the dumb ones? Curious bit of logic you have there...
BTW: solar panels, as in photovoltaics, exist since over 50 years. We have a pretty good idea how long they last and degrade.
You do realize the panels we produced 20+ years ago are not identical to the panels we produce today, right? That's like claiming an 8086 chip from Intel should have the same failure modalities and rates as a modern Pentium chip. Your point is correct that we have a fairly good idea how they degrade but the reasons why are a lot more complicated than the fact that solar panels have been made for a long time.