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UK Bill Introduces 10 Year Prison Sentence for Online Pirates (torrentfreak.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The UK Government's Digital Economy Bill, which is set to revamp current copyright legislation, has been introduced in Parliament. One of the most controversial changes is the increased maximum sentences for online copyright infringement. Despite public protest, the bill increased the maximum prison term five-fold, from two to ten years. Before implementing the changes the Government launched a public consultation, asking for comments and advice from the public. But, even though the vast majority of the responses urged the authorities not to up the prison term, lawmakers decided otherwise. As a result, a new draft of the Digital Economy bill published this week extends the current prison term from two to ten years (PDF). The relevant part amends the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, and simply replaces the word two with ten. Copyright holders have lobbied for this update for a long time. According to them, harsher penalties are needed to deter people from committing large-scale copyright infringement, something the Government agrees with.

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  1. It's inevitable by taustin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now if they're impose the same criminal penalties for interfering with fair use, we'd be all set.

    1. Re:It's inevitable by Cornwallis · · Score: 2

      Looks like Cory Doctorow's "Pirate Cinema" alive and well...

    2. Re:It's inevitable by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Real Piracy is the wholesale stealing of our government by the rich, powerful elites, who conspire to get away with crimes others are rotting in jail for.

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    3. Re:It's inevitable by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      The best way to avoid the fair use problem is to create your own original content

      Unless you lived in total isolation your entire life, the probability of that happening is nil

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    4. Re:It's inevitable by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The best way to avoid the fair use problem is to create your own original content rather than building off of someone else's copyrighted content and claiming it as your original.

      Too bad that would eliminate many of the best creative works ever created, nearly all great artists built on previous works.

      The entire Disney empire was built on someone else's stories. And they are doing everything they can to keep someone else from doing the same.

    5. Re:It's inevitable by ewhac · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Real Piracy is the wholesale stealing of our government by the rich, powerful elites [ ... ]

      Stealing? How dare you impugn our character with such malign slander. We bought and paid for them!

    6. Re:It's inevitable by westlake · · Score: 2

      The entire Disney empire was built on someone else's stories. And they are doing everything they can to keep someone else from doing the same.

      Say a thing five times and a must be true --- or maybe not.

      In 2013 Philip Pullman published a new English translation of 50 classic tales from the Brothers Grimm. In 450 pages. You won't find Disney's "Snow White" in there or Humperdinck's "Hansel and Gretel." Not in any recognizable form. Not if you are being honest about the thing.

      ImDB lists about 200 film. musical comedy and television productions based on "Cinderella." Disney owns the rights to maybe four of them.

    7. Re:It's inevitable by hackwrench · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course not. What part of "And they are doing everything they can to keep someone else from doing the same." don't you understand. If they weren't, maybe you'd see something resembling Disney's Snow White. The point is, between Disney and a lot of other people extending copyright, the works in recent history can't be used like Disney and Philip Pullman used prior works. And when you have to go that far back to produce new content that just shows you how impoverished they've made the public domain.

    8. Re:It's inevitable by bungo · · Score: 2

      Hey, at least we plebs know where we stand. So crimes, in descending order or importance are:

      - Making a politician look stupid
      - Preventing a corporation from maximising their profits
      - Ridicule of any government organisation
      - crimes against rich people
      - ...
      - ...
      - property crimes ( rich people only)
      - murder (poor people only)
      - rape (poor people only)
      (sorry, property crimes again poor people don't count at all)

      It's good to know ones place in society.

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  2. Just out of curiosity by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's the maximum sentence for embezzling government money? What's the sentence for financial fraud that leaves thousands penniless? In other words, can you maybe name a few or a few dozen crimes that actually have victims that have lower sentences?

    Mr. Fawkes? Could you rise from the grave and try again? I promise, nobody is going to stop you this time.

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  3. Yes by PRMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because this is obviously just as bad as threatening to kill someone or administering poison with intent to endanger life, which both have 10 year sentences in the UK...

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  4. The word for today is 'Draconian" by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Two years in the pokey is not near enough incentive to keep the pirates honest... 10 years, though, that'll do it.

    Look at capital punishment versus life imprisonment as a deterrent to murder, if you will... hardly any homicide in Louisiana, Missouri, and Mississippi.

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  5. For comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    what are the sentences for rape, violent beatings, the sort of thing that can ruin a person and make them dysfunctional for the rest of their lives? Are crimes of violence still comparable to the potential loss of speculated future profits of large corporations?

    1. Re:For comparison by NotInHere · · Score: 4, Informative

      Five years maximum if you stab someone (without killing them): http://www.inbrief.co.uk/offen...

      Average prison sentence length for rape: 8 years: http://www.publications.parlia...

  6. Better than hanging, I guess by mamono · · Score: 3, Funny

    Haven't the British been going after pirates for hundreds of years? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    1. Re:Better than hanging, I guess by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      We're not pirates. We're privateers. The NSA takes the government's share.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  7. asking for comments and advice from the public by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    For what purpose?

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    1. Re:asking for comments and advice from the public by MrKaos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For what purpose?

      To figure out who to gaol first.

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  8. The average rape sentence is 8 years by NotInHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    source

    Is this really worse than rape?

    1. Re:The average rape sentence is 8 years by gatfirls · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Negatively affecting corporate profits is the highest of crimes. Countries do this with tax laws and money laundering laws.

      Don't hurt the rich and powerful, just each other.

  9. Ignoring 98% consensus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When the government ignores consensus of 98% the population, this is not a democracy. If not corporatocracy, the government has at least been corrupted by large financial incentives or threat.

    1. Re:Ignoring 98% consensus by clickclickdrone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They are currently riding the high from leaving the EU

      A) We haven't left yet. We haven't begun to leave yet. All we did was have a vote on if we should.
      B) Pretty much everyone I know is bloody angry at the result, the economy is tanking and most of the stuff that was promised by the leave campaign has evaporated and many who voted leave are now regretting it.

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  10. Re:A civil matter with a criminal punishment by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm as sceptical as anyone about the abuse of penalties for IP-related behaviour, but you're way off on this objection. The laws in question were created to fight large-scale, commercial copyright infringement, that is how they've actually been used in practice, and it is extremely likely that those profiting from infringement in that way are effectively stealing real profits from the legitimate rightsholders since people were actually paying for copies of the works that they may well have assumed were lawful. The penalties are akin to those for fraud.

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  11. Re:A civil matter with a criminal punishment by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How many decades should companies like Disney hold copyright? These businesses hire artists to create intellectual property, but none of it would be possible without the centuries of human history and culture to build on.
    There is a reasonable number of years for protection, and the reasonable number is probably not the current 120 years.

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  12. Obligatory by MrKaos · · Score: 4, Funny
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  13. Re: uk prison system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Copyright is the new marijuana for our prison system.

  14. Get less time for shop lifting and there the proft by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    Get less time for shoplifting and there they have hard evidence.

  15. History of copyright duration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    in the US:
    14 years (1790), 28 years (1831), life + 50 years (1908), 75 years (1976), life + 70 years or 95 years from publication or 120 years from creation (1998), 50 years for broadcasts (2008).

    I am curious if the UK had similar increases in copyright duration. I am certain these increases reflect the nature of commercial lobbying and is not the will of the people.

  16. What is original content? by radarskiy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In 1998, Ray Repp sued Andrew Lloyd Webber for plagiarism, based on the similarities between Phantom of the Opera and an earlier work by Repp. Instead, the court found similarities between Repp's work and an even earlier piece by Lloyd Webber.

    There are only 12 semi-tones in Western scales. How can anything be original?

    1. Re:What is original content? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      There are only 12 semi-tones in Western scales. How can anything be original?

      There are only 10 digits in decimal representations of numbers. How can any number be unique? That statement seems nonsensical.

      To put it another way, suppose the most recognizable element of music is the melody (as court rulings generally use to determine copyright infringement), and suppose just an average first phrase of 15 notes. That's enough (12^15) for every human who has ever lived to compose thousands and thousands of unique melodies. If the main constraint is 12 notes, there are a LOT of possibilities for "originality."

      Of course the size of the scale has little to do with it. Music is built on recognizable patterns and our brains have a real knack for matching similar motives even if the notes or intervals are not quite the same. Moreover, the vast majority of randomly chosen patterns from the 12-note chromatic scale sound like nonsense, just like randomly chosen strings of letters (only 26!) are mostly gibberish. Western tonal music is built mostly on a 7-note scale, but real melodies that " make sense" also tend to conform to a multitude of standard conventions about rhythm, form of melody, how repeated motives/notes are employed, etc.

      Fun fact: scientists in the 1600s made major advances in the field of combinatorics (which was a new branch of math) by trying to enumerate all possible songs. They quickly found how vast that number is... But most don't make sense... (See Mersenne for example.)

      The limited scale is one constraint, but by itself is doesn't limit unique melodies very much at all.

    2. Re:What is original content? by sjames · · Score: 2

      George Harrison got sued over 3 notes. The case wound on so long that by the time there was a ruling, he owned copyright on both works anyway.

      So apparently the standard is based on the number of 3 note combinations available. Worse, simple transpositions are likely to sound very similar to most ears.

    3. Re:What is original content? by hackwrench · · Score: 2

      You start out with a statement then proceed to argue against it.

      Statement: The size of the scale has little to do with it. (It presumably being whether something is original)
      To that, I add the following restriction: A composition is only considered a "real" composition if people will listen to it.
      Counter-statement: Non-Western scales have more notes in their scales.

      Arguments you made:
      Argument 1: Music is built on recognizable patterns and our brains have a real knack for matching similar motives even if the notes or intervals are not quite the same.
      Conclusion a reasonable person would draw: If the notes or intervals are not quite the same, if the motives are similar, the music is not original.
      Effect on your statement and the counterstatement: Scales with more notes in them have more room to be original, thus making it more likely that the size of the scale has something to do with it.
      Argument 2:Moreover, the vast majority of randomly chosen patterns from the 12-note chromatic scale sound like nonsense, just like randomly chosen strings of letters (only 26!) are mostly gibberish.
      Supports my additional restriction.
      Further reduces the amount of space in the scale that meets the conditions.

      ...but by itself is doesn't limit unique melodies very much at all.
      Changes the original conditions far more that my restriction and I assert that my restriction is closer to the spirit of the original comment.

  17. Killing Michael Jackson: 2 years jail time... by mutherhacker · · Score: 2

    Downloading his music? 10 years!

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10...

  18. What more proof does anyone need by jenningsthecat · · Score: 2

    that politicians and lawmakers consider themselves beholden only to lobby groups and corporations:

    "But, even though the vast majority of the responses urged the authorities not to up the prison term, lawmakers decided otherwise."

    The electorate? Fuck'em. That's what governments say, and they're starting to say it more and more openly. Citizens around the world need leashes on their 'leaders' - and for at least the worst offenders, I'm NOT speaking figuratively.

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  19. Another Insultation in the UK by hughbar · · Score: 2

    I call these things 'insultations' now. The government (national or local) asks a question, we waste time formulating reasoned answers and then they do something else after saying something like 'we are concerned by your issues'. There's a huge disconnect between UK government/Westminster (in principle, our 'representatives') and the people now, part of the reason for the recent surprising Brexit vote, it was probably just anger, in many cases, not a real desire to leave.

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