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Debian Founder's 2015 Death Ruled A Suicide (theregister.co.uk)
gosand writes: According to a story on The Register, the death of Ian Murdock in late 2015 has been ruled a suicide. This news brings some closure to the sad ending of his life. An interesting note from the article that I never knew before: "he was the Ian in Debian; his girlfriend at the time, Debra Lynn, was the Deb." Debian has truly been a cornerstone in the Linux world, and the founder will be missed. The medical report was obtained on Wednesday by CNN journalists.
So sorry to learn of Ian's passing. I've been a big fan of Debian for at least a decade. Rest in Peace.
"Found Murdock naked and lifeless with electrical cord around his neck" is ruled a suicide now?
from the now-inevitable buyout by Microsoft
Source? Not really a follower of Linux politics, but it's the first time I've heard about that.
Don't worry, just another systemd hater. People can be very passionate about their software.
Well there are certainly hints that something like that may be in the offing...
"Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
--- Jerry Garcia
I lived in darkest West Oakland for 8 years and didn't become a racist. People are the same.
I didn't know ian. obviously you didn't either.
but for FUCK'S SAKE, dude, what would you do if you were beaten by the cops. TWICE.
you miss his point entirely. sucks to be your ignorant ass.
very sorry for ian. I can only imagine the horror he felt when all he believed came crashing down.
life is not a disney movie. stuff like this makes me think THIS life is hell; there's no more 'down' to go from here.
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"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
I think there was probably more to it than that:
- His girlfriend recently broke up with him, which was after already having been divorced.
- He was within days of being evicted for routine noise and other disturbances.
- He was a very habitual drinker and often had side effects from alcohol withdrawal, had Asperger's, and known psychological problems for the past 20 years.
- The neighbor said he apologized to them about the noise and other disturbances he has made in the past at about 3:30PM the night he committed suicide. The neighbor commented that they though this was really odd.
This has all been corroborated by other witnesses and medical professionals.
It seems as though he was already in a really bad position and probably decided to commit suicide earlier in the day. When somebody is in such a state, it's happened many times that they try to make somebody else feel at fault, or otherwise try to push blame on somebody else, which could be a motivation for police involvement (and subsequent blame.) I've witnessed this before myself.
I'm of half of a mind to think that the police themselves had little to do with it, other than perhaps they were routinely called to his residence (probably for good reason, based on the neighbor's statements) which made him have a grudge against the police.
I don't know him so this is mainly speculation, but when it comes to suicide you often never know why somebody actually wanted to kill themselves. Even when they leave some kind of note, there's often a misdirection of blame (which I guess his twitter feed was his suicide note. Notice the repeated use of the N word, among other things.)
The GPL'd open source community (Seperate from the BSD camp, which I feel has done a better job of this) really needs to be more vigilant with its community leadership choices. From debian, to mozilla (I know, never really part of the community, but that is an example of why community leadership is important.), to gcc (and assorts co-projects, like glibc), to llvm/clang/libc++, to musl (one of the few ATM success stories).
There have been leadership both incompetent and intentionally malicious that have derailed, damaged, or otherwise impaired open source projects. One of the differences here is that open source doesn't have the cult-like mentality most corporations instill (my dad for instance still 20 years out from his tech job is rabid about his former company's products over competitors despite it not making sense anymore.) Similiar things happen with corporations vs open source. While there are plenty of corporate 'team players', one needs to watch for the endgame and keep them from corrupting and destroying from within for those Microsoft-like corporations that enjoy destroying 'competition' from within.
Thought of that, but
a) It is high time of real posix on windows
b) Beside fixing bugs and pushing them upstream, is there any relation between Canonical and Debian?
I was raised in south east Alabama by a whole culture of racists who ensure racism lives. Unfortunately for them I discovered Black Sabbath. I hate racist Christian redneck fucks like there is no tomorrow. I haven't met 1 person yet who got to choose their skin color when they came out of the pussy hole. How in the fuck can something so miniscule matter so much?? I am embarrassed to be white. I feel ashamed.
a) It is high time of real posix on windows
Soon enough, it'll be "enhanced" POSIX.
CLI paste? paste.pr0.tips!
You are on to something. The very definition of HELL is 'being without God'. Not a bunch of bullshit a bunch of preachers spew in their houses of satan. Jesus was a carpenter and didn't build one church. St. John warned of the evil of the church..... As God has not been in here in a very long time, we have boiled in the HELL that is being stuck on this demon infested abomination of evil. Tea anyone?
the man was a frothing-at-the-mouth, racist nutcase
Who isn't anti-white SJW-nutcase?
Sounds like you became a really tolerant, classy individual.
Wow, someone's invented the self-rating comment!
Framed? You have got to be kidding.
Reiser dodged a needle in the arm by showing the authorities where his wife's body was. Some years later, he admitted in open court to killing her.
You missed his point. His point was that the police beat him up, and that people don't care most of the time because all they see is a black victim who must've done something to deserve it. This is dehumanization. Using the N-word shocks the apathetic and fencer-sitter in the face restoring humanity by generating anger and empathetic feelings.
When you are smarter than even smart people, life can become a curse, it is absolutely draining and demoralising situation to be in every day. When every the very best around you say and do things that are clearly ill considered, aka stupid.
When they say X is obvious, or X is the only solution and you clearly see unconsidered pitfalls and three superior alternatives.
I looked at the twitter stream. Maybe one single tweet that could be considered racist if you really worked at it, and didn't take it for an epithet used by someone about to commit suicide who may not have had them all together at the time. A lot of his older tweets seem those of someone who cared for the world, was engaged, didn't like racist policies, retweeted tweets about police violence and condemned it, etc.
Your -1 is well-deserved.
Therefore, by the (faulty) logic you're using, you're just a cow with a keyboard - osu-neko (2604)
I didn't know ian. obviously you didn't either.
but for FUCK'S SAKE, dude, what would you do if you were beaten by the cops. TWICE.
you miss his point entirely. sucks to be your ignorant ass.
very sorry for ian. I can only imagine the horror he felt when all he believed came crashing down.
I've known long since that the police are not my friend, and I have been beaten up (once) by them. As an activist, it's part of the way things work and part of the things you want to change. But yeah, I've you've always been taught that the police are your friends and suddenly the gloves come off, it's a shock.
Normally, people re-evaluate their position, think things through and start looking for explanations. They may radicalize and turn to people like Marx and Lenin who long ago explained why the police work the way they do, like Malcolm X. Or they may consider them "bad apples" and try to follow the judicial process, realizing slowly that that won't work, and then build a movement for change, like Martin Luther King. Or they may retreat into alternative policies and withdraw from society. Or they may shrug, say "yeah, life sucks sometimes" and go on with it - like most people.
And then we have people, who appear to have lived a very sheltered life, that get so pissed off that someone dared to touch *them* (the rulers of the universe) that they suicide just to make a point. Well, point taken, but a) some of us were already aware of the fact that police violence is not limited to criminals and b) in todays news it's not going to make a lasting impression, given the fact someone just upped the ante by shooting more than 10 police officers. That's a suicide too, but with a bigger frontpage.
Therefore, by the (faulty) logic you're using, you're just a cow with a keyboard - osu-neko (2604)
I haven't met 1 person yet who got to choose their skin color when they came out of the pussy hole. How in the fuck can something so miniscule matter so much??
Then I'm sure your head would explode trying to understand caste systems, nobility or royalty. Why can't people say Earth is their birthplace and go live in the US, did you choose what country to come out of the pussy hole? Why shouldn't the inheritance tax be 100%, did you choose to be the child of a billionaire or a penniless vagrant? I think the gist of it was nicely summed up in "Selma", even though it's not MLKs actual speech since they're copyrighted:
"Our society has distorted who we are, from slavery to the reconstruction, to the precipice at which we now stand. We have seen powerful white men rule the world while offering poor white men a vicious lie as placation" - The fictionalized Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. in the 2014 Movie "Selma"
"And when the poor white manâ(TM)s children wail with a hunger that cannot be satisfied, he feeds them that same vicious lie. A lie whispering to them that regardless of their lot in life, they can at least be triumphant in the knowledge that their whiteness makes them superior to blackness."
People like to feel superior. Right color, right faith, right country, right socioeconomic standing, as long as you're on the upside of the scale it feels good. Who doesn't want to "rig the lottery" for their children? If the child of a lord is a lord your children's position is secured. It is the same in the modern world and the Ivy League, "good old boys" club and so on. The rich and powerful pat each other on the back and help each other to stay rich and powerful. There will be a few "rags to riches" stories but they're exceptions to the norm and you'll often see old money looking down on new money too.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Jealous?
Why do you feel responsible for the behaviour of others?
Why are you embarrassed to be white? Did you choose to be? If so, I guess you have met the first person who chose his skin color by looking in the mirror.
If not, then there's nothing to be embarrassed about. It's not like you had any say in it. Guilty by association only works if you chose to associate.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
He said so. And since it doesn't really matter, I don't really care if he really is.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
That's the definition of hell? Then I don't get why I should fear it. Personally, having my life dictated by the whims of someone else's imaginary friend sounds way worse.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Receptive reading isn't your strong suit, is it? You seem to be more like a very badly written chat bot, looking for trigger words and rolling down the stored procedure for that word.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Why do you feel ashamed (or proud)? Did YOU choose the skin color when you came out of the pussy hole?
I have a skin color and I am neither ashamed or proud that I have a different skin color than the 5 people who sit around me and do the same job.
If you think you should feel ashamed, that is the moment you acknowledge that you are different (for better or for worse) and that there is some merit in racism.
For the same reason I do not feel ashamed or proud to have been born in a specific country. 'Born in', not 'having the nationality of' although for the majority of people that will be the same.
I can be proud of achievements. If I did not change my nationality, I have not achieved anything, so there is nothing to be proud of. Just like I have not changed my color. (Well, I was red instead of white once. Nothing to be proud of.)
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
from the now-inevitable buyout by Microsoft
Source?
His nether orifice.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Oh, but wait! He started a Linux distro!
Not just any distro, but Debian. So you're right, beatification is the way to go.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Tribal caveman instincts. The basic psychological machinery which leads to 'us vs them' mentality between a group of people and those who are readily observed to be different is something that would have worked well in terms of survivability of groups of humans (tribes) in the many many millennia before civilisation. As such, the machinery has been bred in, and there is no effective means to breed it out, thus the need to teach each and every generation how to prevent these instincts from causing problems. Ironically I find the early scriptural writings of the major religions to be good stabs at doing this, but major religious traditions are often more interested in furthering themselves than actually understanding what their tradition was supposed to be, and vehemently oppose any attempts to persuade them to change (what is labelled 'religious conservatism' in polite circles, but which is basically refusing to turn the steering wheel when your car comes to a bend, declaring that it is divine will that you keep going in the same direction, and that if you hit the tree in front of you, it was foretold and inevitable, or similar). Our basic instincts will harness and co-opt all that they can to further themselves, and that is what they are effectively biologically programmed to do.
John_Chalisque
Tried it, found the world was quite racist. Go to your white area, call in a burglar next door. Count the time to response. Try the same in the bad part of town.
There are a millon other little things, each dismissed by the racists as "fair." But taken together create a huge barrier for the disadvantaged.
Learn to love Alaska
There is no reason why hating a package in the linux ecosystem is bad.
Yes there is. "Hating" a package is a sign of, at least, lack of perspective.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
You shouldn't feel ashamed, you made yourself into a good person by the sounds of it. We are all born with nothing but the ability to choose what kind of person we are going to be, and those choices are the only thing you should ever feel ashamed of.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
You appear to think that race and culture are the same thing. That's pretty fucking stupid.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
What?
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
I've read every post of his on that page and I don't see what is racist. He seemed angry because of police brutality. Usually the police only brutalize blacks, colored people or whatever the politically correct term today is. Now they brutalized him.
Where are the racist parts?
You're not supposed to actually read the posts. You're supposed to take the dickhead's word that he's racist. The link is just so you know he's telling the truth (long as you don't click it).
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
I am embarrassed to be white. I feel ashamed.
Don't. That makes you as much of a racist as those you so despise.
Racism is a plague infecting the Earth, and is itself not limited to any one skin colour nor religion.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
Just what was so "unbearable" in this case, one wonders? Midlife crisis?
systemd
You're against racism...and you hate people based on race. Grandpa, it's time for your medication, then time for bed. You're confused, and you're shouting incoherently and bothering the nice people again.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
but for FUCK'S SAKE, dude, what would you do if you were beaten by the cops. TWICE.
Something else. Been watching the news lately?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Redneck isn't a race. It is an abomination.
That's lovely, but I'll save my outrage for the people stupid enough to follow someone else's rules simply because, if they don't, that person's imaginary sky ruler will beat them up.
I think we're done here...
*** *** You're just jealous 'cause the voices talk to me... ***
I've heard a couple theories on hell and how one ends up there. Some people argue that everyone is offered redemption after death, but only those that reject God's forgiveness are sent to Hell, which isn't brimstone and fire, but simply a state of being eternally separated from God. Floating in the void perhaps.
As far as Heaven, according to the New Testament, people don't go there immediately after death. Those who were saved go to Paradise and reside with Jesus while waiting for Armageddon to occur and then the Final Judgement. It's after this judgment that people are sent to Heaven, and even then there are different parts to Heaven. Those most faithful to God sit closer to him, while others are further away based on how they lived their lives.
I must admit that I don't really understand why people act like they _know_ what happens after death and then tell others what's going to happen to them if they don't do X. The truth is that no one on this Earth knows; just because men wrote about it in the Bible doesn't make it true. You have faith that it's true, but you may be wrong.
blacks, colored people or whatever the politically correct term today is
It's none of those. Try again.
sic transit gloria mundi
Reiser dodged a needle in the arm by showing the authorities where his wife's body was.
He wasn't up for the death penalty.
Had a look at your example. It wasn't a particularly strong one. The guy was complaining about the network service failing. The reason was because he labelled his tethered phone interface as auto up. Not a good idea. Would have been better to label it as "allow-hotplug".
Another solution would be to use the systemd networkd configuration. That would react to the plugged interface event, and then automatically configure it.
So in this case, there was no fault with systemd. Seems like most complaints are because people don't understand systemd. Once you understand it, it's actually quite good to use.
It depends on the level of hate. If it's a mere dislike, then sure, go ahead, dislike it. I've got no problem with that.
If it's a rabid hatred of the package, then reactions to it go far beyond rationality. Take, for example, your comparison of systemd to Islam. That shows you have little understanding of both systemd and Islam, and the fact you tried to compare them shows you're not thinking rationally on the subject.
Unfortunately, most reactions to systemd seem to be of the rabid hatred type. Just like the parent post, which tried to claim that Debian is dead, was sold out to Red Hat, and a buyout from Microsoft is inevitable. This is just not rational. The author's level of hatred on the subject is excessive, and it's interfering with their critical thinking. When that happens, I'd generally label it as bad.
Give it up already. I knew him at the time. There is no doubt what he did and why.
If you don't understand the difference between "dislike" and "hate"...
Especially when, at least in Debian, you can just uninstall it.
Watch this Heartland Institute video