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Using a Bomb Robot to Kill a Suspect Is an Unprecedented Shift in Policing (vice.com)

A police standoff with a suspect in the killing of five police officers in Dallas came to an abrupt end on Friday morning in an unusual way. The police said that negotiations broke down, an exchange of gunfire happened, but then they had no option but to use "bomb robot and place a device on its extension for it to detonate where the suspect was." Motherboard explains the unprecedented shift in policing. From an article: Peter W. Singer, an expert in military technology and robot warfare at the New America Foundation, tweeted that this is the first known incident of a domestic police force using a robot to kill a suspect. Singer tweeted that in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, soldiers have strapped claymore mines to the $8,000 MARCbot using duct tape to turn them into jury-rigged killing devices. Singer says all indications are that the Dallas Police Department did something similar in this case -- it improvised to turn a surveillance robot into a killing machine. Improvised device or not, the concerns here mirror a debate that's been going on for a few years now: Should law enforcement have access to armed drones, or, for that matter, weaponized robots? In 2013 Kentucky Senator Rand Paul staged a 13-hour filibuster that was focused entirely on concerns about the use of armed drones on US soil. Last year, North Dakota became the first state to legalize nonlethal, weaponized drones for its police officers. [...] The ability for police to remotely kill suspects raises due process concerns. If a shooter is holed up and alone, can they be qualified as an imminent threat to life? Are there clear protocols about when a robot can be used to engage a suspect versus when a human needs to engage him or her? When can the use of lethal force be administered remotely?

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  1. Re:option for surrender by Holi · · Score: 5, Informative

    In this case they did, they negotiated for hours. Pretty sure Micah X Johnson was not going to be taken alive.

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  2. Re:#BlackLivesMatter by thaylin · · Score: 3, Informative

    How has the hashtag inspired violence? The police killings of blacks is what is inspiring the violence and murder.

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    When you cant win, ad hominem.
  3. Re:Major Colvin by somenickname · · Score: 2, Informative

    You are correct. It was Nixon who coined the term. I apologize for the oversight. I just remember the term becoming very popular in the 80s and so assumed it was Reagan (considering how crazy Nancy was with her anti-drug campaigns).

  4. Re:#BlackLivesMatter by butchersong · · Score: 5, Informative

    Per wikipedia: "According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%." So if you account for 52% of murders I would imagine you'd probably also account for about half of shootings by police and... guess what? Blacks make up about 50% of police shootings. -Keep in mind that blacks are only 12% of the population in the US.

  5. Re: Good solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah. It is not their job to pass judgement and execute a citizen regardless of the crime. That is what we have judges and juries for.

  6. Re:#BlackLivesMatter by butchersong · · Score: 5, Informative
    See page 11 of this DOJ PDF below and seek out this line "In 2008, the off ending rate for blacks (24.7 off enders per 100,000) was 7 times higher than the rate for whites (3.4 offenders per 100,000)"

    http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

  7. Re:#BlackLivesMatter by thaylin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ahh, but you missed the "individual" part. Cup sizes and the like are buisness regulations, not individual regulations. The laws in NY did not prevent you from bringing in your own cup.

    Liberals in general want to protect INDIVIDUAL liberties. Due process, 1st amendment, yes even the second amendment.

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  8. Re:Good solution by superwiz · · Score: 4, Informative

    So what's the difference in each situation?

    Having him holed up didn't make a difference because he was able to shoot people while holed up.

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  9. Re:#BlackLivesMatter by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some liberals lie and say they want "reasonable" gun restrictions when their goal is a total ban (except for the elites). It's all about getting the thin edge of the wedge under the door.

    Upon seeing her Clinton gun ban enacted in 1994, she said: “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . ‘Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in,’ I would have done it.”

    Gun Control Misses Mark: Sen. Feinstein Shoots-off Mouth, Hits Foot

    The Second Amendment must go: We ban lawn darts. It’s time to ban guns

  10. Re:Really? by wyHunter · · Score: 2, Informative

    Both jobs entail this - I've been a cop and quit because I could stand the fact that there were too many scumbags with badges and I had to deal with too many scumbags without badges. I'm a fireman now and I tell you this: Both jobs require that you risk your life, and you do it gladly because you're helping to protect the society in which you live. But when someone is trying to kill you indiscriminately because of the job you do, that is just terrorism, pure and simple.

  11. Re: #BlackLivesMatter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    You seriously think it's some evil plan to take all your guns away so they can oppress you and you can't resist? Wtf is wrong with you? Here's some food for thought - there were loads of armed civilians in Dallas, as far as I can tell none of them did anything to stop the shooters, they just ran for cover and pissed themselves.

    If you take guns away then nobody needs guns, and police only need non-lethal arms to do their jobs and they can't use the excuse of the suspect having a gun to shoot some poor person.

    You aren't living in some distopian world where you're forced to eat recycled people and slave away in mines to produce resources for an elite group living in paradise somewhere.

  12. Re:#BlackLivesMatter by cyberstealth1024 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's the source of the DoJ stat:

    http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub...

    Unfortunately, there aren't really any consistent and nation-wide statistics on the race of people killed by police (no national database with consistent reporting), but here are some stats:

    http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub... (Table 5, pg 22)
    2003-2009, 2011: whites make up a bigger percentage (47.8%) of deaths than blacks (28.4%)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com...
    2015: 990 people shot by police. 494 (49.9%) white, 258 (26.1%) black, 172 (17.4%) hispanic, 38 other, 28 unknown

    https://www.washingtonpost.com...
    2016 so far: 509 total. 238 (46.8%) white, 123 (24.2%) black
    we are 190 days into this year, which is a leap year (190/366 ... 52% through the year)
    If you forward-project based on the current average, there will be 978 police shootings in 2016, 458 white and 237 black

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-...
    The Guardian has different numbers: 569 total. 279 whites. 137 black
    If you use per-million numbers: 3.25 blacks/million, 1.41 whites/million

  13. Re:Major Colvin by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 3, Informative

    Heroin has been well known for centuries to be highly addictive, and extremely debilitating as an addiction. You'd have to be a moron to not know the end result once you read up on it.
    Same advice to you.
    1) Heroine is not known since centuries
    2) it is not highly addictive, nicotine is probably 10 - 100 times more addictive
    3) you are mixing up Heroine with Opium (which is not that addictive either)
    4) you have no clue how addiction works

    Regarding 4) I suggest to read a book about it. I e.g. could take Heroine every day and never would be addicted to it. Go figure.

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  14. Re: Good solution by 101percent · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Philadelphia government killed 11 people including five children in 1985. with a bomb However you interpret it, the bombing did also burn down over 65 homes leaving 250 people homeless. It seems like a very risky tactic.