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CleanSpace CO Sensor Runs On Freevolt RF Harvesting
mspohr writes: A few years ago, a Kickstarter was set up to develop a locator tag powered by free radio frequency (RF) energy harvested from the environment. This was called a scam here on Slashdot and was shut down before it was funded on Kickstarter. However, it now appears that the concept is not as far-fetched as some predicted. A UK company CleanSpace has developed a carbon monoxide (CO) sensor which is powered by free RF. A review of the product has been posted on YouTube. It uses Freevolt technology to keep a battery charged and the CO sensor running. Since they have several thousand of these devices collecting data, they do appear to work and it seems to be in the 'not a scam' department.
You can run a CO detector on it. You might be able to run a smoke detector on it, although you'd think they'd be doing that if they could. Perhaps you could run a wireless keyboard or mouse over a very short range. Harvesting radio noise isn't a new idea.
It's not a general battery replacement. Their website says "RF Energy Harvesting For the Low Energy Internet of Things" which is a fairly ugh slogan, but it seems relatively accurate. I don't see any reason why you couldn't fire up a microcontroller, do a little bit of sampling, and report your results before going back to sleep until the next time your capacitor was full.
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What?! Are you telling me I can't scavenge enough power from background RF noise to broadcast a signal stronger than the background RF noise?!
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
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Stolen? No. Settled law.
Back in the 80s a new 100kw FM transmitter was setup in Colorado right next to an EEs house. He couldn't get away from the noise, on the land line, TV etc etc.
He set up a 'faraday wall' (between 99 ft antenna towers) and inverter, harvested about 20% of the stations output, and sold it back to the power company. The FM station sued, they lost.
In the end they worked out an agreement, IIRC the EE got something like 2 or 3 times fair market value to go away.
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It won't work continuously, but for burst transmission it might.
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Sounds dubious. FM band wavelengths are pretty short, so the tall towers are to get you line of sight, not for antenna gain. 20% is very good efficiency, so he had to be doing near field coupling right next to the radiator (on the order of feet) or else a HUGE array surrounding the tower.
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/r... - I am unsure if this link will work. This shows a teardown of a tag.
On eevblog, under the title "weird "energy-harvesting" broadband (?) antenna ".
This shows a 450mAh rechargable lithium-ion battery.
http://www.ti.com/ww/en/wirele... - this is a TI device which is designed for sensor tags, and sports a 1 year battery life reporting once a second over BLE with a 2032 battey. This is one half the capacity of the lithium battery used.
It also won't be sending data at one second intervals.
It seems entirely reasonable that the comparatively large battery will last five years without any wifi charging at all.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Deepness_in_the_Sky#Localizers
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It's always fun hearing from disgruntled investors.
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Oh come on. I've seen the "I can run my on harvested RF energy!" scams come and go on Slashdot. Yes, they get shot down, but not for being *technically* impossible, but being *practically* impossible.
Yea, you can transfer energy using RF from one point to another without wires, but the problem here is it's pretty inefficient to do this because the amount of power falls by at least the square of the distance. So what may work at 1' fairly well using 10 watts of input RF power, is going to require something like 100 watts when you double the distance and 1,000 when you double it again (4'). (Please feel free to correct my math, but you get the idea).
So, yes, if you have a "low power" device, something that doesn't consume much power on average, you can likely scavenge enough power from the RF around you in most places to keep running. HOWEVER, most of the scam devices are for applications that REQUIRE always on radios and significant computational power. These devices consume too much power to be practically powered by foraging RF energy, especially in the home or office where the largest amount of RF power is likely coming from your Part 15 regulated WiFi devices which are limited to about half a watt and can be tens of feet away.
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I've worked on this project and it doesn't work.
Basically all it is is an antenna with a half bridge diode rectifier. This is pretty straightforward however the problem is that despite using 'zero drop' diodes the ambient RF energy does not produce a sufficient voltage (power out of the antenna with the line impedance at the diode) to switch the diode properly which causes a rapid drop off in efficiency. Basically the diode is still in the sloped part of the IV curve (zoom in on an IV curve at the knee). This combined with the fairly low amounts of power available means that the power output of these things is in the 10s of uW, which is less power than is consumed by the charge pump needed to top the battery up! So how does it work then? Check the tear down photos and you'll see a massive battery...
The other interesting thing about this 'technology' is that you can calculate the energy density of a harvester, it's simply the mean time till failure x power output / volume of device. When you do this calculation you quickly realise that due to the size of the antenna needed to see any appreciable power the device would have to last for 10-20 years to begin to approach the energy density of even coin cells (including the casing)!
Most rechargeable batteries have a substantial self discharge rate and will go to zero in a few months with charging.
This used to be the case, but for a decade or so now there are rechargeable 'ready to use'/'low self-discharge' (LSD) NiMH batteries on the market that can hold a significant amount of their charge for several years (for good ones, 75% after 3 years). LSD NiMH's do have a bit smaller capacity per volume but that is maybe a 10-20% difference, at the most.
But maybe these sensors have a rechargeable Li-Ion battery? I don't know about LSD types of those but Li-Ion have very bad charging characteristics when almost empty (high internal resistance - so it's harder to charge the emptier it is) so I don't think they are useful when recharging in these extremely low power conditions. And then there are supercapacitors, but they have a way too high self-discharge rate to be able to claim 5 years of operation on the 'battery' alone.
One of the side-effects of this device, implicit in its design, is that it will re-radiate mixing products of all received signals. This tends to interfere with nearby radio reception.
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If it notifies a powered device, the powered device can sound the alarm.
A lot of time, the benefit of wirefree power isn't power savings, it's the saving of installation cost of wires, or replacement labor on batteries.
You don't sell it to make money, you sell it to piss them off.
Photons. Photons carry energy, as proved by solar cells. It is simply that you can't collect a lot of energy with low-frequency photons like those associated with RF. But "not a lot" of energy is not the same thing as "no" energy. Any device with an appropriately small energy need (the classic device is the crystal radio set), can be powered by RF photons. So, anyone promoting the powering of a modern device by RF photons merely has to show that the device needs an appropriately small energy supply. If it needs too much, it won't work. But if it can collect enough RF photons, then it should work just fine.
I built an AM radio – with no battery – that would audibly play local stations. This was in the 1970s.
Surely many slashdotters did the same. Heath-Kit.